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2012-11-25 03:30:31 PM

Lsherm: Maybe with a few more of these cases people will start to realize that sex-offender zoning laws are getting out of hand.


So true...maybe we should let them rub daycares as well.


:moron:
 
2012-11-25 03:36:12 PM

cyks: AliceBToklasLives:
It's not the zoning that's the problem - it's labeling public urinators and sexually active teenagers 'sex offenders"

unregenerate:
Well, since so many crimes actually count as sexual offenses, yeah... a lot of reasonable people just might. God forbid an 18 year old kid sleeps with his 17 year old girlfriend. I hope you never get caught pissing behind a dumpster on a walk home from the bar. In some places, that thar be a sexual offense. So is streaking at a football game, consensual sex between two teenagers, sodomy and visiting a prostitute. So, not really all sex offenders are out to rape children.

Except those aren't the type of sex offenders that they're talking about...

FTA: Milliard read from a list of sex offenses eight of his clients have been charged with in court cases since 2010, including child rape, possession of child pornography, and sexual assault on children under 12 and under 14.

To that, I say fark them.



Ahem...
Um..."Including" does not mean "ALL guilty of".
Not to inject rational thought into your argument, but way to generalize all of them into the crimes of a mere subset.
Wait... no I take that back... I TOTALLY meant to inject rational thought into your void. O_o
 
2012-11-25 03:36:13 PM

cyks: Except those aren't the type of sex offenders that they're talking about...

FTA: Milliard read from a list of sex offenses eight of his clients have been charged with in court cases since 2010, including child rape, possession of child pornography, and sexual assault on children under 12 and under 14.


To that, I say fark them.



Charged, not convicted.

If you're more interested in convictions than justice, then yeah, every defense lawyer is a scumbag who should be strung up.

Fortunately, a few people in this country still thinj Justice should be based on something a little more conclusive than "but the TV said he was guilty".
 
2012-11-25 03:37:06 PM

Lsherm: jodaveki: Feel like discussing why spouse abusers aren't forced onto a public registry? How 'bout assailants & batterers? Or gang members?

It's interesting how bashing a woman's face in for bein' lippy over the course of a relationship doesn't merit similar "zoning."

It's not interesting - that's how our legal system is supposed to work. You serve your punishment, and then you're done. Only sex-offenders get extra punishment after they've served their sentence.


Ah. My mistake.

I guess once she learns her place, then, I can spend more time at home rather than in court. And if she leaves me, there are plenty more who need a lesson or two.
 
2012-11-25 03:39:40 PM
"I will hold the Town liable should there be any adverse impact on my practice or to any of my clients as a result of said occupancy," Milliard warned in his letter to Piendak.

I see no way in which he can hold the town liable. He does seem like he would have a case of tortious interference against the woman, though.
 
2012-11-25 03:44:34 PM

Lsherm: jodaveki: Feel like discussing why spouse abusers aren't forced onto a public registry? How 'bout assailants & batterers? Or gang members?

It's interesting how bashing a woman's face in for bein' lippy over the course of a relationship doesn't merit similar "zoning."

It's not interesting - that's how our legal system is supposed to work. You serve your punishment, and then you're done. Only sex-offenders get extra punishment after they've served their sentence.


Untrue. Other felons also get extra punishment, in the sense of voter disenfranchisement, revocation of their right to bear arms, increased likelihood of conviction of further crime, and increased punishment for any further crime.
 
2012-11-25 03:45:08 PM

BradleyUffner: So what happens when your 30th birthday is 6 months after her 16th? It's legal to have sex with her for those six months, then you have to stop?


31st birthday, but if I'm reading it right, you'd have to stop until she turned 18. That's gotta make for some awkward senior proms.

Then again, according to that Wikipedia page, Delaware might be overcompensating. Their age of consent used to be seven, back in 1880. I'd fact-check that, but I'd rather not have a Google search for "seven year old age of consent" in my ISP logs.

All things considered, I guess I feel better about a law that lets 30-year-olds fark 16-year-olds than one that lets anyone have at a second-grader.
 
2012-11-25 03:52:06 PM

VibroCount: In order for justice to exist in our system, even the pre-convicted guilty deserve the best defense possible. Not to mention the accused innocent.

This seems more like the people who build homes near existing airport runways then expect air traffic to change so their new homes will not be bothered by the noise of aircraft takeoffs and landings.


Not really. Otherwise you're in effect banning childcare centres from being located near any lawyer's office, because the lawyer may have a sex offender as a client, who may be prevented from accessing that office by sex offnder zoning laws
 
2012-11-25 03:55:32 PM

Somaticasual: Devious, but it is brilliantly executed admittedly.


I don't find it too brilliant. If he has to turn away clients because of her, could he get her on damages? She seems to be walking on egg shells by putting a daycare in the same building as a lawyer to spite the lawyer, this littlest slip up and he can have pictures and get the parents of children to take pursue a case with him. I wonder what noise restrictions are in place by the landlords, kids get too loud and he can get her kicked out. It doesn't take much, especially if you get the other tenants together and all threaten to leave if so and so isn't removed.

On top of that this is a form of domestic abuse. (I think it was social abuse or that with emotional abuse?) After I had a BS charge filed against me I had to take a DV course. One of the things I learned was that it was a form of abuse for me to go to areas she would go around the times she would go. Grocery store, movies, etc. Anything knowingly done to interfere with her daily life would be grounds for charges.
 
2012-11-25 03:59:18 PM

redmid17: AliceBToklasLives: AliceBToklasLives: We need to cut Prater. Does he think he's kicking in the SEC?

I may have posted in the wrong thread. My bad.

If the Broncos were playing the Steelers, you'd be in the right


He was 1 for 3 today, vs. the Chiefs!!!!
 
2012-11-25 04:01:41 PM
FTFA: "Her claim that it's personal is a smoke screen for her to get what she wants, which is a new tenant to fill an empty space ..."

Well, she sounds like a real insufferable biatch, trying to earn rental income on a property she owns. Just who the hell does this broad think she is, anyway?

AliceBToklasLives: We need to cut Prater. Does he think he's kicking in the SEC?


Wide right.
 
2012-11-25 04:02:34 PM

Tenatra: Somaticasual: Devious, but it is brilliantly executed admittedly.

I don't find it too brilliant. If he has to turn away clients because of her, could he get her on damages? She seems to be walking on egg shells by putting a daycare in the same building as a lawyer to spite the lawyer, this littlest slip up and he can have pictures and get the parents of children to take pursue a case with him. I wonder what noise restrictions are in place by the landlords, kids get too loud and he can get her kicked out. It doesn't take much, especially if you get the other tenants together and all threaten to leave if so and so isn't removed.

On top of that this is a form of domestic abuse. (I think it was social abuse or that with emotional abuse?) After I had a BS charge filed against me I had to take a DV course. One of the things I learned was that it was a form of abuse for me to go to areas she would go around the times she would go. Grocery store, movies, etc. Anything knowingly done to interfere with her daily life would be grounds for charges.


Oh it's a harassment suit waiting to happen, especially now that it's a news story. But it's practically brilliant when compared to keying someone's car, sleeping with their friends to get revenge, or the old hand-in-a-thing-of-hot-water-while-sleeping prank. I imagine the woman would be a supervillian if she had the resources..

Am sorry to hear of your DV charge - Assuming you're telling the whole truth on that one, it really is a system ripe for abuse by a vengeful ex, and especially slanted against the man having virtually any social or legal recourse. No man should have to endure that kind of BS, and partners need to realize how much that can destroy someone else's career/etc before saying something in anger or malice..
 
2012-11-25 04:07:25 PM

Somaticasual: semiotix: Allen. The end.: God forbid an 18 year old kid sleeps with his 17 year old girlfriend.

I was going to call shenanigans, but apparently there are indeed a few states where this is illegal. And some frighteningly detailed Wikipedia pages to help you know what's what.

My favorite from my quick browse is Delaware. You can fark a girl on her 16th birthday, but only if you're 30 or under. Thirty! Because we're not about to have any sicko 31-year-olds sniffing around our daughters, that's just wrong.

It gets worse - Weren't there a couple of states up until recently that still had it at 14? I know they've gotta get farmers' daughters started early, but 14? Really? Some girls at that age are still going through the first few stages of puberty, for sanity's sake. No way a 14 year old is wholly prepared for that responsibility.


Uh oh...you shouldn't have said that. Now the evil meanie libertines on Fark will have their way with you.
 
2012-11-25 04:11:42 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Lsherm: Maybe with a few more of these cases people will start to realize that sex-offender zoning laws are getting out of hand.

It's not the zoning that's the problem - it's labeling public urinators and sexually active teenagers 'sex offenders"


JESUS H FARKING CHRIST THIS THIS THIS.

Goddamn I have so many problems with "sex offender" registries. Take a leak in the bushes and get busted? Oh you're a sex offender. 18 year old bangs his 16 year old girlfriend? Oh you're a sex offender. I hate hate HATE this shiat. There is zero goddamn common sense in this area. It's black and white- provided the "perp" isn't female, then no one seems to give a shiat unless it's a teacher.
 
2012-11-25 04:11:51 PM
Good to see the home town in the news.

I'll have to check with mama dukes, but I believe this is the same lawyer who represented the fam about 14 years ago in a landlord dispute.

/we won
//the landlord was a dick
///Go Middies
 
2012-11-25 04:24:04 PM

Allen. The end.: mc_madness: unregenerate: BoxOfBees: I'm sure that many people will have compassion on the convicted sex offenders.

Well, since so many crimes actually count as sexual offenses, yeah... a lot of reasonable people just might. God forbid an 18 year old kid sleeps with his 17 year old girlfriend. I hope you never get caught pissing behind a dumpster on a walk home from the bar. In some places, that thar be a sexual offense. So is streaking at a football game, consensual sex between two teenagers, sodomy and visiting a prostitute. So, not really all sex offenders are out to rape children.

What about masturbating spread eagle with your blinds half open? Is that a criminal offense??

How does one masturbate an eagle??? Ow ow ow ow!


Same way I mastubate YOUR MOM

/Roofies and restraints
 
2012-11-25 04:25:04 PM

ialdabaoth: Untrue. Other felons also get extra punishment, in the sense of voter disenfranchisement, revocation of their right to bear arms, increased likelihood of conviction of further crime, and increased punishment for any further crime.


Do they have unreasonable restrictions over where they may work or live? Can they be forced out of their home by a neighbor? Do neighbors send out letters accusing them of having hundreds of infant sex slaves, even when the actual crime was posting "Misleading Words or Digital Images on the Internet" (18 USC § 2252C).

I'm not arguing that convicted child sex offenders should be encouraged to work in schools or daycare centers, but I don't think it's reasonable for repeat child molesters to have the same post-jail punishment as someone who once posted a link to g-man.
 
2012-11-25 04:28:06 PM
This is what you get when you don't beat your women, people!
 
2012-11-25 04:34:12 PM

Somaticasual: I imagine the woman would be a supervillian if she had the resources


Nah that would be like those news stories that mention someone busted in a crime as the mastermind of a criminal operation. Maybe an evil henchman. She would never put herself in the position to be sued herself if she was the likes of a future super villain, if that's the case then she would have gone in to business with someone irrelevant to her personal situation. That person would have operated the business while she was the backer for it.

Somaticasual: Assuming you're telling the whole truth on that one


Yes I've wrote a lengthy post on here about it before, I'm not about to get in to the details. Just know that it eventually left me homeless and she didn't have to do anything besides making a irrational 911 call.
 
2012-11-25 05:03:33 PM
I just pulled up the address on Google Maps, and noticed it's right down the street from several other schools. I don't see the problem with another school opening in that area.
 
2012-11-25 05:32:15 PM
Yeah-- screw that perv loving attorney. I wonder how many victims of his clients he has blamed knowing god damned good and well his client is guilty. I am against the death penalty for almost anyone but sex offenders. They can rot in hell- and the scumbag attorneys that defend them. The zoning wouldnt matter for someone who hadnt committed a crime because they arent labeled a sex offender until they are convicted. For those who are innocent, the law wouldnt apply, therefore it wouldnt matter.

So, Bravo Madam. Making life more difficult for rapists i something I will stand behind anytime.
 
2012-11-25 05:34:17 PM
Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.
 
2012-11-25 06:00:07 PM

jodaveki: Feel like discussing why spouse abusers aren't forced onto a public registry? How 'bout assailants & batterers? Or gang members?


Why stop there? How about a public registry for people who are HIV positive, or have the herp? I think we could all get on board with a public registry for people who vote democrat, or don't go to church, or have more than 4 cats, too. Hell, let's make a registry for everyone and advertise every small detail about their life.

Oh wait, that already exists. It's called "Facebook".
 
2012-11-25 06:15:04 PM

cyks: AliceBToklasLives:
It's not the zoning that's the problem - it's labeling public urinators and sexually active teenagers 'sex offenders"

unregenerate:
Well, since so many crimes actually count as sexual offenses, yeah... a lot of reasonable people just might. God forbid an 18 year old kid sleeps with his 17 year old girlfriend. I hope you never get caught pissing behind a dumpster on a walk home from the bar. In some places, that thar be a sexual offense. So is streaking at a football game, consensual sex between two teenagers, sodomy and visiting a prostitute. So, not really all sex offenders are out to rape children.

Except those aren't the type of sex offenders that they're talking about...

FTA: Milliard read from a list of sex offenses eight of his clients have been charged with in court cases since 2010, including child rape, possession of child pornography, and sexual assault on children under 12 and under 14.


To that, I say fark them.


So, that article MUST be inclusive of all of his clients. I see it say 8 clients and include 3 or 4 offenses. Unless they all did the same things, which is entirely possible, then it isn't really the people I'm "defending". But, you wouldn't you be able to concede that the 4 offenses may not actually cover everyone that he represents and that the author of the article isn't sharing all of the information with the reader? I mean, it's not like news ever shows bias or omits facts.... right?
 
2012-11-25 06:38:32 PM
Has anyone familiar with Milliard noted how he is nothing but a money hungry farking prick that would Fark his own mother over for $1.00?

Just curious...
 
2012-11-25 06:44:24 PM
It's not like anyone can be falsely accused of witchcr- I mean pedastry. Clearly preventing people accused of sensationalist crimes from recieving legal advice is a good idea. Nothing could possibly be wrong with that.
 
2012-11-25 07:08:48 PM

doglover: It's not like anyone can be falsely accused of witchcr- I mean pedastry. Clearly preventing people accused of sensationalist crimes from recieving legal advice is a good idea. Nothing could possibly be wrong with that.


These people are convicted of sensationalist crime, not accused, and they have no place in a rural society. They earned it, they ARE NOT the victim here.
 
2012-11-25 07:28:28 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Lsherm: Maybe with a few more of these cases people will start to realize that sex-offender zoning laws are getting out of hand.

It's not the zoning that's the problem - it's labeling public urinators and sexually active teenagers 'sex offenders"


I've browsed the lists, most states have managed to get them off the lists through modifying age of consent laws (Age/2+7 is my rough rule), not to mention public drunkenness. A big part of the problem was the retroactive nature of the list - nobody's going to plead guilty to public exposure when they know it's going to land them on the list, even if there was no other fine or jail time. So while such types now plead guilty to some other non-list offense if the prosecutor doesn't feel the list is appropriate, you had a lot who pled guilty in the past because it was $50 and time served in jail. Same with domestic violence - convictions on even misdemeanor charges went down because people will fight like hell to keep their right to a firearm, especially if a police officer or military where conviction means loss of their job.

The problem is also categorizing 'sex offenders' such as adult rapists the same as child molesters. I'm not going to excuse rape, however it IS something that, along with most other crimes, Europe has demonstrated that is quite reformable. Heck, from research child molestation, with treatment, has the lowest recidivism rate besides murder itself.

Now, I know that due to the horror that such crimes present that these individuals should probably still have some restrictions on them, but the number we've placed on even major perverts has gotten out of hand. The restrictions should be biased towards keeping kids(and adults) safe, not deprive the released or paroled convict of basic human needs - food, shelter, etc... There are entire communities that carefully set their restrictions so wide that the obvious intent is to deprive such individuals of legal housing, hoping to drive them elsewhere. Honestly, their children are far more at risk to the undiscovered molesters.
 
2012-11-25 07:46:44 PM

poe_zlaw: Yeah-- screw that perv loving attorney. I wonder how many victims of his clients he has blamed knowing god damned good and well his client is guilty.

I'm sure he loves their money more, but I'm going to say this: We NEED defense attorneys. Heck, I support having 100% public defender coverage, not means tested, because right now so much as accusing somebody of a serious crime can trigger a 'fine' of thousands of dollars in attorney fees. Said office should be funded no less than the prosecutor's office.

I am against the death penalty for almost anyone but sex offenders./i>

Are you against the due process of law? Personally, I'm pretty death-happy, but I at least want a proper trial first, and hate them as much as you like, if you're ever accused of a crime I'm sure you'd want a good defender. Until we get rid of adversary based trials, at least.

Somewhere between 10-30% of reported rapes turn out to have been false accusations(remember the Duke Lacrosse team?). I remember a case where a psychologist with a huge grudge against fathers fabricated memories in her patients that they were raped/abused by their fathers. Turns out you can do that with young kids. Messed up the kids, ruined the father's lives. At least one committed suicide.

Give them the best defense attorney. THEN, once the trial is complete and they've been found guilty, then you can hang them off the yardarm.
 
2012-11-25 08:35:54 PM

nyseattitude: These people are convicted of sensationalist crime, not accused, and they have no place in a rural society. They earned it, they ARE NOT the victim here.


If the crime is bad enough to warrant a lifetime listing on the registry, it's probably bad enough to warrant life in prison.

If someone has a known history of kidnapping and molesting children, with a high likelyhood they will repeat the crime again after they're released, it's probably a good idea to keep them locked up.

If someone posts an unmarked NSFW link on an internet forum, but otherwise has a clean record, they're not likely to be much of a threat to society.

But under the current laws, both the guy who kidnapped children and the guy who pasted the wrong link get the exact same punishment, and the exact same vilification by society.
 
2012-11-25 09:40:38 PM
As the father of six,grandfather of 13,and greatgrandfather of one,I say send all the little brastards out in the street to play.
 
2012-11-25 10:15:40 PM
For a 100 dollar fee sex offenders will get to read to the children in order to teach them that sexual offenders look just like their own mom and dad. Or two moms... or two dads... or mom and her Great Dane... or .....
 
2012-11-25 10:19:16 PM
I like the idea of the driving school and the day care center sharing the same parking lot. Across the road: The offices of Darwin & Darwin, executors. (Pronounce that word however you wish.)
 
2012-11-25 10:40:25 PM

Lsherm: Maybe with a few more of these cases people will start to realize that sex-offender zoning laws are getting out of hand.


This is one of the cases where these laws make sense.
 
2012-11-26 01:29:26 AM

sweet-daddy-2: As the father of six,grandfather of 13,and greatgrandfather of one,I say send all the little brastards out in the street to play.


Ah, good ol' street hockey, or what around Toronto we referred to as "Italian Birth Control" in the '70's.
 
2012-11-26 02:21:56 AM
HAHAHAHAHA!
 
2012-11-26 02:23:13 AM

soj4life: Lsherm: Maybe with a few more of these cases people will start to realize that sex-offender zoning laws are getting out of hand.

This is one of the cases where these laws make sense.


You mean where the law gets used as a pawn in an unrelated personal squabble -- and that "makes sense"?
 
2012-11-26 02:26:08 AM

jodaveki: Lsherm: jodaveki: Feel like discussing why spouse abusers aren't forced onto a public registry? How 'bout assailants & batterers? Or gang members?

It's interesting how bashing a woman's face in for bein' lippy over the course of a relationship doesn't merit similar "zoning."

It's not interesting - that's how our legal system is supposed to work. You serve your punishment, and then you're done. Only sex-offenders get extra punishment after they've served their sentence.

Ah. My mistake.

I guess once she learns her place, then, I can spend more time at home rather than in court. And if she leaves me, there are plenty more who need a lesson or two.


Except in Kansas, Oklahoma and Montana, if you commit any type of violent crime you may have to register on a violent offender's list which is where they put the sex offenders too.

Link
 
2012-11-26 03:03:17 AM
Bigdogdaddy:

Except in Kansas, Oklahoma and Montana, if you commit any type of violent crime you may have to register on a violent offender's list which is where they put the sex offenders too.

Link

Now all they have to do is make a website that displays their place of residence on a map with a red dot so everyone can check how many wife-beaters, gangsters and ruffians fill our communities.
 
2012-11-26 03:17:02 AM

jodaveki:
Link

Now all they have to do is make a website that displays their place of residence on a map with a red dot so everyone can check how many wife-beaters, gangsters and ruffians fill our communities.


Ask and ye shall receive!

Link 

Even drug offences are on there. From what I understand it's usually a 10 year registry, unless you fail to register, then it's a lifetime thing.
 
2012-11-26 03:32:18 AM

Bigdogdaddy: jodaveki:
Link

Now all they have to do is make a website that displays their place of residence on a map with a red dot so everyone can check how many wife-beaters, gangsters and ruffians fill our communities.

Ask and ye shall receive!


I just had to try Wyandotte county, nothin but a sea of sex offenders.

s12.postimage.org
 
2012-11-26 03:38:05 AM

Tenatra: Bigdogdaddy: jodaveki:
Link

Now all they have to do is make a website that displays their place of residence on a map with a red dot so everyone can check how many wife-beaters, gangsters and ruffians fill our communities.

Ask and ye shall receive!

I just had to try Wyandotte county, nothin but a sea of sex offenders.

[s12.postimage.org image 548x405]


Kind of scary isn't it?
 
2012-11-26 04:26:50 AM
I repeat: how bout one of those handy maps to point out the guys that like to slap their wife/girlfriend around a little? How bout a handy map that lets us know where those gangsters live? Remember that guys who beat the crap out of someone for showing up to a game in the wrong team's jersey? I guess it's okay to live next to them and not know it. That's not scary. Not even kind of.
 
2012-11-26 09:47:31 AM

fastfxr: Lsherm: Maybe with a few more of these cases people will start to realize that sex-offender zoning laws are getting out of hand.

So true...maybe we should let them rub daycares as well.


:moron:


Now there's an interesting typo...
 
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