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(Philly.com)   If you get a parking ticket in Philadelphia, it's your own fault if you don't get someone to fix it for you   (philly.com) divider line 33
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2012-11-25 12:28:23 PM  
yeah, but I kind of assume that ALL traffic court systems in the country operate like the Philly model.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 12:47:06 PM  
yeah, but I kind of assume that ALL traffic court systems in the country operate like the Philly model.

There is quite a bit of variation. In some courts, like in Philly, there are many people with the power to fix your ticket and the willingness to do so for a minor favor. In others only a handful of lawyers and powerful politicians can make your ticket go away.  In some systems judges do the fixing. In others you work out a deal with the prosecutor.

In my area police are worried enough about the anti-fixing law that they don't like to make tickets vanish. It happens, but you need good connections instead of dropping a ward leader's name. Usually you have to go to court to seal the deal. The friendly officer will signal the magistrate to drop the ticket. If you don't know a cop with connections, hire a lawyer who is a friend of the magistrate.
 
2012-11-25 01:08:47 PM  
How hard is it to not get a parking ticket?  Not trying to be that guy but, I've never had a situation where I've had to park illegally or overstayed my parking meter.  If there's ever a fear of being late, I go to a paid parking lot and put in more time than I know I'll need.
 
Maybe things are different in other cities.  Down here its just not that hard.  And I do live in a smaller, but totally congested city (New Orleans was not built for cars) where, in places, its very difficult to find parking.
 
And all this being said, our parking tickets are only like $25 or so.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 01:27:51 PM  
Maybe things are different in other cities.

I think it really does depend on where you are.

In some cities there is no legal way for delivery drivers to make deliveries. UPS and Fedex make deals to pay their parking tickets in bulk. In my area, not a central business district, there is adequate temporary parking and I never see delivery trucks getting tickets.

In some cities they are trying to squeeze out car commuters. Some of those commuters can't find a legal space and find alternative transportation impractical. So they park all day, feed the meter when they can, and accept the occasional overtime ticket as a cost of working in the city.

If you know you can get a ticket fixed, you may be more likely to just park anyway. The guy in the link thought that way.

Shoup's book on parking makes an interesting point about the attitude resulting from lax enforcement. A 1% chance of a $50 ticket is perceived differently from a flat 50 cent fee. The first is a game. The second is a cost of service. Imagine if all parking spaces had prices, you had to pay (e.g. a barrier wouldn't let you park otherwise), and you were physically unable to park in illegal spaces (smart car won't let you).

Stealing a parking space is perceived like stealing music. With predictable prices, reasonable rules, and strict enforcement it would be perceived like stealing groceries.
 
2012-11-25 02:13:35 PM  
After watching Parking Wars, I can see why people really hate the parking enforcement officers. I'm also surprised that the officers don't carry guns.

/I suppose so they won't shoot the assholes
 
2012-11-25 02:34:58 PM  
I blame Obama.
 
2012-11-25 03:02:42 PM  
I've gotten a ticket fixed in Philadelphia by a beat cop with no connections to the district that I got it in. Thanks, Dad!

/meter ran out five minutes before I got back
 
2012-11-25 03:03:23 PM  

Weaver95: yeah, but I kind of assume that ALL traffic court systems in the country operate like the Philly model.


I assume the world works this way. Corruption, how does it work?

/glad to see the FBI has taken care of violent organized crime in America and has to time to investigate traffic court
 
2012-11-25 03:04:52 PM  

basemetal: After watching Parking Wars, I can see why people really hate the parking enforcement officers


After watching that I don't go to large cities with lots of parking meters and less than obvious parking arrangements.
 
2012-11-25 03:09:13 PM  
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Have a plan to deal with this
 
2012-11-25 03:22:26 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I blame Obama.


I blame Obama voters.
 
2012-11-25 03:35:20 PM  

badhatharry: Lionel Mandrake: I blame Obama.

I blame Obama voters.


I'm not saying it was minorities and women, but....
 
2012-11-25 03:47:50 PM  

downstairs: How hard is it to not get a parking ticket?  Not trying to be that guy but, I've never had a situation where I've had to park illegally or overstayed my parking meter.  If there's ever a fear of being late, I go to a paid parking lot and put in more time than I know I'll need.
 
Maybe things are different in other cities.  Down here its just not that hard.  And I do live in a smaller, but totally congested city (New Orleans was not built for cars) where, in places, its very difficult to find parking.
 
And all this being said, our parking tickets are only like $25 or so.


i had a ticket fixed in new orleans in '79 by the city attorney. found out later it wasn't really fixed and had to call in another favor to get a headquarters night shift cop to take it out of the computer. i then had to get someone different to run my license to make sure it was out. pain in the ass and all because my boss was playing big shot.
 
2012-11-25 03:51:44 PM  
Never got a parking ticket in Philadelphia, but I did find out that if you are waiting at a red light to turn right, and there is a sign at the intersection saying NO RIGHT ON RED, and you do not turn right anyway, everyone behind you will get very perturbed.
 
2012-11-25 04:03:27 PM  
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2012-11-25 04:05:13 PM  

basemetal: After watching Parking Wars, I can see why people really hate the parking enforcement officers. I'm also surprised that the officers don't carry guns.

/I suppose so they won't shoot the assholes


My dad was watching this last night. I had no sympathy for any of them. Many of the people with tickets had multiple tickets that were ignored and thus they got their car booted or towed then had to wind through a byzantine structure that is never explained. The people that handle parking enforcement only seem concerned about how much money they're bringing into the city and don't give a crap about anyone that comes in. I imagine they could do the exact same show called "Speeding Wars" and I'd be the same sorts of people.
 
2012-11-25 04:07:37 PM  
Me 1: Philly traffic court 0

/ Your honor, there is no stop sign at that intersection.
// Philly traffic court is for moving violations and such, not parking tickets.
 
2012-11-25 04:14:11 PM  

redqueenmeg: Never got a parking ticket in Philadelphia, but I did find out that if you are waiting at a red light to turn right, and there is a sign at the intersection saying NO RIGHT ON RED, and you do not turn right anyway, everyone behind you will get very perturbed.


Yeah, and the time that you decide to give in to peer pressure is when you'll get a ticket lol
 
2012-11-25 04:42:22 PM  
But... you mean... abuses of power within systems of government? I thought... no... that only happens outside government which is why the government needs to be in charge of everything.
 
2012-11-25 04:52:40 PM  
The PPA has teamed up with neighborhoods and HOAs to introduce permit parking in a lot of the residential areas of the city. To get a permit, you need to pay any outstanding tickets. Thus, the people with tickets outstandiing are getting more tickets. So many people are being recalcitrant about it and when they actually do get forced to pay it leads to the city making out like gangbusters. Another reason I use public transport.
 
2012-11-25 04:56:37 PM  

basemetal: After watching Parking Wars, I can see why people really hate the parking enforcement officers. I'm also surprised that the officers don't carry guns.

/I suppose so they won't shoot the assholes


Amen to that. I watched a Parking Wars marathon while nursing a hangover yesterday. I'd never seen the show before, and I can't believe that Philly gov't. consented to let the show film there, because even with the benefit of it coming from their perspective they still came off in a totally negative light.
 
2012-11-25 05:13:35 PM  

randomjsa: But... you mean... abuses of power within systems of government? I thought... no... that only happens outside government which is why the government needs to be in charge of everything.


I'm glad you finally get it.
 
2012-11-25 06:13:36 PM  

downstairs: How hard is it to not get a parking ticket?  Not trying to be that guy but, I've never had a situation where I've had to park illegally or overstayed my parking meter.  If there's ever a fear of being late, I go to a paid parking lot and put in more time than I know I'll need.
 
Maybe things are different in other cities.  Down here its just not that hard.  And I do live in a smaller, but totally congested city (New Orleans was not built for cars) where, in places, its very difficult to find parking.
 
And all this being said, our parking tickets are only like $25 or so.


Yeah, this. Parking in L.A. is a nightmare and a half and tickets are expensive (upward of $50 in some places) and I've had one parking ticket in my life, for parking in a loading zone. Keep some freaking change in your cars, or use a paid lot for chrissakes. Yes, the lots are even more expensive, but still not as much of a hassle as a ticket.
 
2012-11-25 06:59:04 PM  
I love living in Maine... Got wasted last weekend in Portland and had to get a ride home from a friend. When she brought me back to my car at 9:30 the next morning I had a $15 ticket waiting for me... surely worth the trouble. I had a headlight out and would surely not have made it home unnoticed.

/high school best friend was in town, first time in 5ish years I've seen him
//I think he had a good time, I vaguely remember abandoning him to hit on the barback
///who is totally not worth it but puts up with my shiat and doesn't embarrass me in front of my old man :-)
 
2012-11-25 09:31:42 PM  

Your Blog Sucks: I love living in Maine... Got wasted last weekend in Portland and had to get a ride home from a friend. When she brought me back to my car at 9:30 the next morning I had a $15 ticket waiting for me... surely worth the trouble. I had a headlight out and would surely not have made it home unnoticed.

/high school best friend was in town, first time in 5ish years I've seen him
//I think he had a good time, I vaguely remember abandoning him to hit on the barback
///who is totally not worth it but puts up with my shiat and doesn't embarrass me in front of my old man :-)


Another pathetic shiatstain on the fabric that is American society.
 
2012-11-25 10:17:05 PM  
It's why going to Manhattan is so much fun. You don't take your car.

You don't look for a parking space. You don't drive in gridlock. You don't drive in pedestrian crazy zones.
 
2012-11-25 10:43:19 PM  
Don;t know if anyone has covered this yet, but traffic court and the Philadelphia Parking Authority are completely separate. When you get a ticket from the PPA, your don't have the option to have a judge even look at your case. What you get instead is having a "hearing," where someone that has nothing to do with law enforcement, pretty much tells you to "screw off, and pay the ticket."

If you disagree with the first decision, you can appeal. Once you appeal you get to waste another day off of work to go back to the same office, for them to tell you the exact same thing they told you the first time.

Finally, if you want, you now can file a claim in small claims court, which will take you a minimum of one more day off work, and cost you all the filing fees. Pretty much you are screwed into paying the ticket whether it was warranted or not.
 
2012-11-25 11:22:59 PM  
I still have an unpaid parking ticket from Philly.

My car has never been parked there.

They can kiss my ass... I am not paying it.
 
2012-11-25 11:36:31 PM  

Shadow Blasko: I still have an unpaid parking ticket from Philly.

My car has never been parked there.

They can kiss my ass... I am not paying it.


Then what did you park there? Your horse?
 
2012-11-25 11:38:43 PM  

pyrotek85: redqueenmeg: Never got a parking ticket in Philadelphia, but I did find out that if you are waiting at a red light to turn right, and there is a sign at the intersection saying NO RIGHT ON RED, and you do not turn right anyway, everyone behind you will get very perturbed.

Yeah, and the time that you decide to give in to peer pressure is when you'll get a ticket lol


I thought that was probably the case, and so I didn't take the turn. Then again, I was also really sleepy and had to find my way up to Trenton.
 
2012-11-26 12:16:41 AM  

downstairs: How hard is it to not get a parking ticket?  Not trying to be that guy but, I've never had a situation where I've had to park illegally or overstayed my parking meter.  If there's ever a fear of being late, I go to a paid parking lot and put in more time than I know I'll need.
 
Maybe things are different in other cities.  Down here its just not that hard.  And I do live in a smaller, but totally congested city (New Orleans was not built for cars) where, in places, its very difficult to find parking.
 
And all this being said, our parking tickets are only like $25 or so.


I've had only a few. Two or three university parking tickets (including one where one side of the spot was painted with a yellow faculty line and the other with the white student line and another when there was snow in the lot and I used the other cars as guides because I couldn't see the lines) AMD another from SEPTA because I walked past the pay slots I was supposed to use and didn't have time to go back to the right ones before the train came.
 
2012-11-26 05:58:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Shadow Blasko: I still have an unpaid parking ticket from Philly.

My car has never been parked there.

They can kiss my ass... I am not paying it.

Then what did you park there? Your horse?


I wasn't driving. The rental wasn't even in my name. I did some business buying concert tickets, and then we went to the concert, and we left.

I can't explain it, and I'm not rich enough to drag them to court.
 
2012-11-26 08:34:04 AM  
This is not new. I went to college in Philly 25 years ago and if you got tickets you just needed to know someone who could get them wiped. I knew some bike cops and never had to pay tickets...
 
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