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(Gather)   Will Rick get another phone call? Will Michonne find her way to the prison? Will Merle lend a hand to Maggie and Glenn, or does The Governor have something else in mind? It's your official Walking Dead Discussion Thread (9PM ET on AMC)   (entertainment.gather.com ) divider line
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2012-11-25 09:56:58 PM  
3 votes:
Maggie is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo farking sexy when she's half naked and crying.
2012-11-25 09:33:13 PM  
3 votes:
Comic Book Men are the most obnoxious collection of douchebags ever. Except maybe us.
2012-11-26 01:09:32 PM  
2 votes:

The Banana Thug: Yea, Milton's an odd one. So much exposition was wasted on his lame backstory about no family, etc. Some other poster last week mentioned that Milton could be the comic's Eugene, but now I'm thinking that might be coming true. I think those two anecdotes you mentioned might be to show the viewers how a team of 10 hardened survivors can be on equal footing with a group of 70 inexperienced townsfolk, combat-wise.


I'm the one who suggested Milton is going to be the TV show Eugene-analog, and I still think it's going to happen...especially for the fact they're taking time to develop an on-screen dialogue between Andrea and him when otherwise there wouldn't be much reason.

Though, the scenes with Archer Girl would have been a lot more convincing to show how genuinely unprepared and inexperienced she was if the goddamn zombie wasn't dodging her shots. Go back and watch that scene again -- both arrows she shot would have been kill-shots if the zombie hadn't lunged, tripped, or dodged at the last moment. My takeaway from that scene wasn't so much she was a shiatty archer, as it was to show archery isn't quite as effective against zombies as viewers have been led to believe between Daryl and the other Woodbury survivor with a bow.

Overconfident, impatient, twitchy? Sure. All those traits detract from the ability to use a bow effectively. She's still a decent shot with it, though. Anyhow...

The Banana Thug: It was a smart plot device that accomplished a few things at once, including giving the viewers an impression of how evil the Governor really is (which the writers put in in lieu of brutal rape scenes that did not happen last night).


I thought that resolution was...interesting. I got the impression from Morrissey's performance, and the scene's depiction, the Governor was going to do it but realized at the last moment it wasn't going to be a very effective interrogation tactic, and walking out of the room was a little shocked and disturbed at the idea he was going to do it.
2012-11-26 11:46:10 AM  
2 votes:
my impression from the show is that the people in woodbury, including the governor have no idea how to actually survive in the outside world, thats why they were surprised that the jail got cleared out, thats why they were surprised that glen broke free and killed that walker. they know they're up against some badasses
2012-11-26 09:12:36 AM  
2 votes:
Chandler Riggs is sitting at the kids table at the Emmy's, Golden Globes, etc, talking to the other child actors.....

So you got to be on Disney/Nickelodeon and starred on The Suite Life of That's So Carly having wacky hijinks and outsmarting your parents, teachers and all the adults? That's nice. I'm on TWD and I get to shoot a gun, kill zombies and my mother.

The governor and his henchthugs being impressed by Rick and the Gang cleaning out the prison. Is it really that amazing? When you think about it, a prison is the perfect place to clean out and live. Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you. As long as you don't have some yahoo opening them up behind you it's all good.

The more I think about it, I can see Rick and his team "easily" taking out Woodbury. Everybody in the prison is trained in zombie combat. They've been battle tested and all. Most of the citizens of Woodbury are too removed from the day to day interactions with Walkers to be able to handle them.

Why did the governor have Andrea chaperone Milton and Mr. Coleman? Was it a test or something more?
2012-11-26 03:44:22 AM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.


Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?
2012-11-25 09:46:29 PM  
2 votes:
That's rather cool that they see a walker off in the distance and know that it's not worth the energy to take it out. It's eerie that it's become so normal.
2012-11-25 08:07:10 PM  
2 votes:

One Bad Apple: Krymson Tyde: I've met several people during my life that were just like Merle; I've disliked all of them just as I do him.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Merle dead.

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

Merle is awesome


Simmer down. You're both correct.
2012-11-25 01:13:54 PM  
2 votes:
Michone knows enough about Andrea's group to put together that the prison gang is the same Andrea was with at the farm house. She's going to fill in Rick and they'll form a rescue party which will head to Woodbury by the end of the episode, leaving us at a cliff hanger. Andrea will not find out about Glen's capture yet.

My thoughts.
2012-11-28 11:43:13 AM  
1 vote:

that bosnian sniper: gittlebass: i dont see why everyone i so upset that they ran out the back door and there were no walkers. the walkers chased them into the front door, why would they be at the back door?

That would be because the fact there was a back door that was completely clear entirely defused the drama and tension of the scene, and negated its entire point.

It would be as if...hell, I dunno...at the end of Alien when everybody but Ripley was dead, she'd just casually strolled over to the computer and instead of blowing up the Nostromo, simply pushed a button that released xenomorph-killing gas into the ship. It just kind of leaves the viewer there, thinking "well, what was the point of that?".


If they just go out the back door and keep going that direction, it takes them away from where they are trying to go. However they can't just run past them as the horde was blocking that way. Crazy Hermit = Distraction. They now can run back in the direction they WANT to go with little to no problems.
2012-11-27 01:58:12 PM  
1 vote:
i dont see why everyone i so upset that they ran out the back door and there were no walkers. the walkers chased them into the front door, why would they be at the back door?
2012-11-27 12:22:11 PM  
1 vote:

brigid_fitch: I'll agree that the hermit scene was handled badly--how has the guy not noticed his cabin's been surrounded for months by zombies and why the hell was he sharing it w/a dead dog?


I thought that part was fine, personally. The one thing the zombie apocalypse won't lack, I'm sure, are people who are no longer sane enough to function in whatever society digs itself from the flesh-starved masses. The hermit was completely bugshiat insane, and Michonne "had" to put him down to save them all.

Then look, out of nowhere is a clear back door they can run out while throwing the dead hermit out the door to "cover" their escape...through the back door that is totally clear.
2012-11-26 09:59:43 PM  
1 vote:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: buffalosoldier: Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.

- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Mazzara era Season three, after budget cuts

Like others, I don't even remember the golden retriever.

What I don't get is, how are we supposed to believe that zombies are fast enough to chase and eat dogs and cats? it's like how single zombies are allegedly able to chase down deer. Come on, now. Zombies are single-minded right up until they're distracted by the next shiny thing or loud noise, in this show.


Zombie 1 sees a deer, walks towards it, and the deer runs. The deer easily outruns zombie 1, but the deer makes a bit of noise and zombie 2 walks towards the deer. The deer easily outruns zombie 2, but the deer makes a bit of noise and zombie 3 walks towards the deer ... The deer easily outruns zombie N, but the deer makes a bit of noise and zombie N+1 walks towards the deer. The deer is exhausted, falls over, and dies. Zombie N+1 eats the deer. 

With this strategy, you can chase down and kill anything.
2012-11-26 09:29:48 PM  
1 vote:
What an actual writer from AMC's "The Walking Dead" might look like...

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2012-11-26 09:15:46 PM  
1 vote:

Bhruic: I still don't understand that scene. Michonne takes out 2 of the guys, runs off, gets winged. At that point the 4th guy wants to run off, but Merle calls him a pussy, and forces him to join him chasing after Michonne. In other words, regardless of the resistance, he's going after her. They have an encounter with her and a bunch of walkers, they kill the walkers, Michonne disappears again. Nothing has changed from the previous situation. It's still Merle + 1 other guy vs a wounded Michonne. But now suddenly Merle wants to give up (and, coincidentally, the 4th guy changes his position too). Why? I have a hard time believing that encountering a couple walkers would be enough to make him give up chasing her.


And yet after killing Neal he ends up chasing Michonne anyway and finding Glen and Maggie.
2012-11-26 08:46:03 PM  
1 vote:
Something bares considering about the Governor's "scared" reaction to the news about the prison: What, exactly, does he fear? I don't think he's scared of losing the town, I think he's scared of losing his power. Through all his carrot-and-stick, charming-yet-vaguely-menacing BS, he's consistently been portrayed as a psychopathic, sadistic control freak. Anything that threatens that control is an enemy to him. To me, that fits more with how he handled the guardsmen. There's a strong, well-organized group in a defensible position near him. People who aren't him have power. That bothers the hell out of a man like that. Just because the Ricktatorship may not be a military threat doesn't mean they're not a personal one.
2012-11-26 08:19:54 PM  
1 vote:
The only motivation I can discern for Michonne's attachment to the blond woman is a sort of Private Ryan thing. Perhaps she has decided keeping Andrea alive no matter what is to pay for the rest of her sins. It's only possible to focus on doing one good thing in a bad world yadda, yadda.

Don't buy they are boning. Too easy.
2012-11-26 07:53:03 PM  
1 vote:

Tencolin: Merle is a survivor. I agree that he's not a coward, but look how he retreated when he went after Michonne in the woods. He knew that she posed a distinct threat after she took out the rest of his crew, so much that he killed one of his own when he refused to retreat and lie to the governor about what happened


I still don't understand that scene. Michonne takes out 2 of the guys, runs off, gets winged. At that point the 4th guy wants to run off, but Merle calls him a pussy, and forces him to join him chasing after Michonne. In other words, regardless of the resistance, he's going after her. They have an encounter with her and a bunch of walkers, they kill the walkers, Michonne disappears again. Nothing has changed from the previous situation. It's still Merle + 1 other guy vs a wounded Michonne. But now suddenly Merle wants to give up (and, coincidentally, the 4th guy changes his position too). Why? I have a hard time believing that encountering a couple walkers would be enough to make him give up chasing her.

The other annoyance is, of course, the silence of Michonne. I understand that she might not trust these new people, and might just be using them to get Andrea back (for whatever reason), but I don't understand why she wouldn't mention that Glenn seemed to know Merle. She was close enough to overhear the whole conversation they had. Having it come up in the middle of their assault is more likely to be damaging to her cause than being upfront about it.
2012-11-26 06:17:57 PM  
1 vote:

Loomy: I felt it was totally appropriate for Daryl to try and comfort Carl by sharing his own story, not because he knows (or even thinks) it'll help, but simply because he feels compelled to say something, considering what the kid's gone through.


Daryl did not know Carl had shot his mom when he told his story. The writers were too lazy/ incapable of properly motivating that scene. It was cheap to assume the viewer would piggy-back Carl's emotion into the moment for Daryl.
2012-11-26 04:08:14 PM  
1 vote:

MoronLessOff: QT_3.14159: No reason to help them

While she said she didn't ask for their help, she absolutely did. She found the prison, brought the formula, gave Rick a look that basically said, "I'm in deep shiat and I need your help". Carl saved her ass. Rick brought her in. Herschel patched her up. And then she finds out that they want to go for Glen and Maggie, which gives her the perfect opportunity to get revenge on Merle and get Andrea out of there.

She has every reason to help them.


I know we're supposed to understand that her and Andrea were together for eight months, but it would be nice if they could give the viewer a little something to see why Michonne is so loyal to this idiot. How was Andrea anything more than dead weight? And don't tell me it was because Michonne liked having someone to talk to, because we all know she doesn't do that! She wouldn't even explain to Andrea, "Hey, pretty sure these guys murdered a bunch of Guardsmen, and the Gov. is a psycho."
2012-11-26 03:28:24 PM  
1 vote:

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Also how did we (in a matter of a few weeks) go from commenting on how Woodbury has it's own black guy and a asian guy to thinking said black guy is now Tyreese?


You are confusing two different black guys. The black guy from a few weeks ago was uncredited & played by Travis Love, someone I have never heard of. The new black guy, speculated to be Tyreese, is played by Chad Coleman who was on The Wire. He will supposedly appear for the first time next episode, although I couldn't tell which black guy was coming off the wall in this episode. They all look the same to me.
2012-11-26 02:25:44 PM  
1 vote:

Jgok: He's doing the opposite; keeping them dependent on him and his crew so they don't ask questions.


Enough exposure and training to make sure people don't shiat their pants, run around in circles, get themselves bitten, compromise security and cause the entire situation to turn to pot out of sheer incompetence, sure. But on the other hand, to sustain anything approaching a civilized, orderly existence, a group of people is going to need division of labor. The unfortunate corollary of that is you are going to end up with people who aren't trained, full-time zombie-killers.

If I were in the Governor's position, I'd want the people who aren't zombie-killers out of the way, and not getting themselves and everyone else killed, if things go sideways.
2012-11-26 02:10:36 PM  
1 vote:

kumanoki: QT_3.14159: kumanoki: Based on the scenes in Woodbury, they've gone a long way to push the idea that the town sustains itself on all but the 'essentials'. There are gardens being tended, solar power panels, water. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodbury has stockpiled a nice warehouse full of sundries. But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury, so it may not be something they scavenged for..

I'm pretty sure when they were talking about population of the town in one of the earlier episodes, they very specifically mentioned a baby being born. Maybe they weren't worried about needing to feed it formula and figured they could nurse, but it would still be smart to stockpile all of that sort of thing within an easy drive.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of what I'd call smart out of the citizens of Woodbury.


Me neither.

I think the most fatal flaw of Woodbury is the desire for everyone to fall back into a sense of pre-zombie normalcy. "Just ignore what is going on outside, we will protect you and carry on with your lives."

I mean, all of them were around when this stuff started, they have SEEN shiat go to pot before. I know if I survived for that long I would darn sure be prepared if I ever had to bolt, and I don't think I could ever just be "normal" ever again. Its not a normal world anymore, trying to make it so just results in a faster demise.
2012-11-26 02:06:34 PM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.


Well, from the scenes inside the town I get the impression that the guys who took out the guardsmen were the only tough/ruthless/competent guys in Woodbury. That puts their complement of "fighters" at what? 10, maybe 12 guys?

Look at the people in the town... none of them carry weapons. In fact, the idea of Michonne carrying a sword is "frightening" to them. The Governor has done his best to insulate them from actual combat. He probably thought he was "helping" them, but really he's just turned them into targets. They go about their daily lives as if nothing was wrong outside. They're gardening, whittling, and farking around while the wall guards protect them.

And what about those guards? We've only seen two "wall attacks"... in one, Merle took over and shot the walkers. In the other, archer girl was using judo points against a human-sized target (only useful against small game) and missing horribly. Freaking target points would have been better. I get the impression that most of the guards are just warm bodies/spotters there to call in a shooter when they see a walker.

Really, it's ten versus a dozen, not ten versus seventy. The extras are there just to be confusing non-targets. To make things worse for the Woodbury crowd, the dozen "competent" guys are conditioned to expect little to no resistance. All they do outside is scavenge and ambush... A coordinated attack on their position is something they're NOT prepared for, and the Governor KNOWS this. That's why he's so scared of outside groups who have managed to survive on their own.

If I was in the Governor's place, I'd be putting the regular townsfolk up against those de-teethed biters in a kind of training session. I'd have mandatory archery sessions for EVERYONE (exceptions made for one-armed rednecks with bayonet prosthetics). I would do my damndest to make sure every towns person knew what to do if a walker got inside the walls. He's doing the opposite; keeping them dependent on him and his crew so they don't ask questions.

Of course, I also wouldn't have heads in fish tanks and a zombie daughter in the closet...
2012-11-26 01:25:51 PM  
1 vote:

BizarreMan: Something else to consider about the National Guardsmen that the Governor took out. They were not expecting anything dangerous to come out of the encounter. They haven't run into enough bad men to be paranoid when a stranger comes up to them like that.

What I don't get is how the hermit was able to survive for so long, being apparently so whacked out.


That just made me feel bad for the guy. Though it was a useful trope in that it demonstrated how killing someone is not necessarily related to good guy vs. bad guy. That guy was just freaked out and in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I wouldn't argue it was wrong to kill him: if he had gotten out they would have ALL been farked.
2012-11-26 01:25:18 PM  
1 vote:

QT_3.14159: kumanoki: I think what we're seeing is an organization that is much better at scavenging than hunting. The Governor's men got the drop on the chopper and the National Guard unit because they knew where to look and what to expect. Even with Merle chasing Michonne into the woods, you see that his group of four was inept at defending themselves from her. They were being hunted and didn't realize it. I think the Governor has a squad of goons that scavenge, and then the rest of the townsfolk who live and work within the walls.

And yet, there was a store of some sort with baby formula within driving distance of Woodbury. Nope, they're not great scavengers either. That there is ANYTHING to scavenge within a days drive of that town just shows some sloppy writing. Yeah, yeah, Red Zone...whatever. No way they're supporting that many people without constant forays out into the zombie infested country side. I don't expect the whole town to bebad-asses, but they should at least have more than 5 - 10 who are constantly running supply missions / fighting zombies.


Based on the scenes in Woodbury, they've gone a long way to push the idea that the town sustains itself on all but the 'essentials'. There are gardens being tended, solar power panels, water. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodbury has stockpiled a nice warehouse full of sundries. But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury, so it may not be something they scavenged for..
Again, this is conjecture- there's know way to know the areas that have been covered or the things they'd be searching for. So I'll concede that your argument is valid if you'll concede that there might be formula left behind in a warehouse somewhere.
2012-11-26 01:19:44 PM  
1 vote:
Something else to consider about the National Guardsmen that the Governor took out. They were not expecting anything dangerous to come out of the encounter. They haven't run into enough bad men to be paranoid when a stranger comes up to them like that.

What I don't get is how the hermit was able to survive for so long, being apparently so whacked out.
2012-11-26 01:16:36 PM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: I think I'm just perceiving mixed messages about the competency and numbers of actual fighters in the Woodbury group (crappy archer, bent barrels, but expert ambushers). I guess we'll find out next week


What about Goon 2 always walking around with the pistoled MP5. It looks like the gov is more scared of people than zombies. That gun is not what you want for zombies. If I was expected to hunt zombies I would have chosen some 9mm carbine before that thing (I am thinking a hi point carbine would be easy to dig up). Same ammo, but able to engage at 75+ feet while also being short enough for close up work.
2012-11-26 01:12:30 PM  
1 vote:

that bosnian sniper: I'm the one who suggested Milton is going to be the TV show Eugene-analog, and I still think it's going to happen...especially for the fact they're taking time to develop an on-screen dialogue between Andrea and him when otherwise there wouldn't be much reason.

Though, the scenes with Archer Girl would have been a lot more convincing to show how genuinely unprepared and inexperienced she was if the goddamn zombie wasn't dodging her shots. Go back and watch that scene again -- both arrows she shot would have been kill-shots if the zombie hadn't lunged, tripped, or dodged at the last moment. My takeaway from that scene wasn't so much she was a shiatty archer, as it was to show archery isn't quite as effective against zombies as viewers have been led to believe between Daryl and the other Woodbury survivor with a bow.


But I watched the arrows bounce off the head of said zombie. It looked to me like her stupid ass either couldn't pull the bowstring back far enough to generate enough force behind the arrow to penetrate the zombies skull.

Or she had the way wrong kind of arrows. Though, I am by no means an expert on bows/arrows. So for all I know, she did everything right and it was just freak coincidence.
2012-11-26 01:12:24 PM  
1 vote:

kumanoki: I think what we're seeing is an organization that is much better at scavenging than hunting. The Governor's men got the drop on the chopper and the National Guard unit because they knew where to look and what to expect. Even with Merle chasing Michonne into the woods, you see that his group of four was inept at defending themselves from her. They were being hunted and didn't realize it. I think the Governor has a squad of goons that scavenge, and then the rest of the townsfolk who live and work within the walls.


And yet, there was a store of some sort with baby formula within driving distance of Woodbury. Nope, they're not great scavengers either. That there is ANYTHING to scavenge within a days drive of that town just shows some sloppy writing. Yeah, yeah, Red Zone...whatever. No way they're supporting that many people without constant forays out into the zombie infested country side. I don't expect the whole town to be bad-asses, but they should at least have more than 5 - 10 who are constantly running supply missions / fighting zombies.
2012-11-26 12:58:01 PM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: I think I'm just perceiving mixed messages about the competency and numbers of actual fighters in the Woodbury group (crappy archer, bent barrels, but expert ambushers). I guess we'll find out next week!


I think what we're seeing is an organization that is much better at scavenging than hunting. The Governor's men got the drop on the chopper and the National Guard unit because they knew where to look and what to expect. Even with Merle chasing Michonne into the woods, you see that his group of four was inept at defending themselves from her. They were being hunted and didn't realize it. I think the Governor has a squad of goons that scavenge, and then the rest of the townsfolk who live and work within the walls.
2012-11-26 12:56:43 PM  
1 vote:

The Banana Thug:

I don't know why people keep going on about the archer. She wasn't a fair representative of the rest of the Woodbury defense - Michonne made it clear at one point that the archer's post was the weakest part of the town's defense, and that she and butterface could escape through there before she went off on her own through the main gate.


The scene was done to illustrate how useless Mayberry's people and defenses were.

The Nadine Cross stand-in asked the Randall Flagg stand-in for permission to join the cities warrior class. He chuckles and condescendingly agrees to have one of his solders show her the ropes.

Cut to the young soldier telling her story about the horrors she has witnessed including the gruesome death of her father, the man that made her the skilled shot she is today. She proudly displays her fallen father's sword (bow) and then proceeds to fail miserably and cry like a little girl as blond woman kills the walker.
2012-11-26 12:49:09 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe part of Merles decision to not take the prison was the same as Dayrles not wanting to sleep in the cell. They have been in prison before and didnt want to be there if they could help it .
2012-11-26 12:18:56 PM  
1 vote:

gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be


I don't know why people keep going on about the archer. She wasn't a fair representative of the rest of the Woodbury defense - Michonne made it clear at one point that the archer's post was the weakest part of the town's defense, and that she and butterface could escape through there before she went off on her own through the main gate.
2012-11-26 12:14:51 PM  
1 vote:
lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be
2012-11-26 12:10:00 PM  
1 vote:

Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?


I think it's supposed to set up the other group (Rick's people) as a major threat that's residing right in Woodbury's own backyard, and that the Governor needs to emphasize this to motivate his people into attacking the prison. How else can you get an otherwise complacent group of 75 people to leave the comfort of their own home to enter the Red Zone and launch a counterattack? Regular Woodbury townsfolk do not know about Glenn and Maggie being captured, and therefore would not know why Rick's group is attacking them first.

And I have to agree with another poster who said the Red Zone is probably a propaganda perpetuated by the Governor to keep the Woodbury people in line. This wasn't in the comics, but might be an added-on plot device to show why there has not been any real interaction between Woodbury and the prison until now.
2012-11-26 12:03:47 PM  
1 vote:

that bosnian sniper: Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak.

Yeah, Merle is a lot of things, and not among those is educated or particularly creative. Merle's muscle, not brains or charisma. When Merle said clearing out a prison wasn't possible, he was probably being honest -- at the time, he had no reason to lie or attempt to manipulate (not knowing where the Atlanta survivors were or if they were still alive, especially Daryl), effectively ruling out the circumstance in which Merle shows any true cunning. It's much more likely Merle wasn't able to figure out a way to clear the prison out that would make taking it worth it.


Don't forget that Merle said that the Atlanta group had Darryl "at its core", which is how he figures they were able to clear the prison. He figures that since he couldn't come up with a plan, his little brother must have (because, after all, Merle taught him everything he knew).

This is a also a good set-up for the next episode. Because Merle thinks Rick's just a dumb-ass hick cop, The Governor's going to underestimate him.
2012-11-26 11:56:21 AM  
1 vote:

NeoCortex42: Fark_Guy_Rob: Broktun: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak. He has a stronger team than Rick with more equipment and gear. And Rick's team had no trouble killing the walkers. They only ran into problems when living people actively sabotaged the prison.

Plus they've got all sorts of military grade equipment and the nerd even made his bite-proof suit

Maggie told them they were at the prison and said they had 10 people.

The walkers are *only* a problem when you aren't prepared for them

I think it's also a matter of need. When Rick's group found the prison, they were wandering the countryside. Clearing out the prison in order to have a proper camp was well worth it.

The Woodbury crew had a well-secured town they could stay in. Risking their lives clearing walkers out of a dark maze of corridors in a prison probably seemed too risky to be worth it.


My thoughts exactly. Last week's episode showed Merle to be incredibly sensible. Michonne had killed 2 of his guys & fled into the Red Zone. I fully expected Merle to kick the surviving kid's ass in gear and head on after her. Instead, he quickly explained it was getting dark, she was wounded, and heading into the middle of a dense zombie infestation. They had 2 guys, low ammo, and no reason to expect she'd survive. Pack it in, show's over. That was impressively logical for him and not entirely out of character--maybe prolonged exposure to The Governor drove some smarts into him. Then he shot the kid and reinforced the fact that he's a crazed redneck, so it was all good.

Anyway, Merle was apparently the only one who saw the prison. We can assume that Woodbury was already well-established at that time, so Merle made a tactical decision--why waste the time, ammo, and manpower when they already had a good set up? There's what--70 people in Woodbury? How would they even hold both the prison and Woodbury with so few people? And he's obviously not above lying to the Governor, so could have exaggerated how overrun it was. Now The Governor wants it just because someone else has it.
2012-11-26 11:55:54 AM  
1 vote:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Especially since... the same consideration was not given for Michonne. The number of threads out in internet land talking about 'I sure hope they don't show Michonne getting rape' were practically non-existent. The number of threads rubbing hands with glee about how possibly graphic Michonne's rape was going to be, however, ....


but white girl could be raped?


I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves. Go ahead. Close your eyes, please. This is a story about a wman walking home from the grocery store one sunny afternoon. I want you to picture this woman.

Suddenly a truck races up. Two men jump out and grab her. One has a long, sharp knife taped to his stump of an arm. They drag her into a nearby town and they tie her up and they rip her clothes from her body. Now one climbs on. Now he's raping her, shattering everything innocent and pure with a vicious thrust in a fog of drunken breath and sweat. And when they're done, after they've killed her womb, murdered any chance for her to have children, to have life beyond her own, they decide to use her for target practice. They start throwing full beer cans at her. They throw them so hard that it tears the flesh all the way to her bones. Then they urinate on her.

Now comes the hanging. They have a rope. They tie a noose. Imagine the noose going tight around her neck and with a sudden blinding jerk she's pulled into the air and her feet and legs go kicking. They don't find the ground. The hanging branch isn't strong enough. It snaps and she falls back to the earth. So they pick her up, throw her in the back of the truck and drive out to the edge of town. Pitch her over the wall. And she drops some thirty feet down to the creek bottom below. Can you see her? Her raped, beaten, broken body soaked in their urine, soaked in their semen, soaked in her blood, left to die. Can you see her? I want you to picture that woman. Now imagine she's Maggie.


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2012-11-26 11:49:43 AM  
1 vote:

gittlebass: my impression from the show is that the people in woodbury, including the governor have no idea how to actually survive in the outside world, thats why they were surprised that the jail got cleared out, thats why they were surprised that glen broke free and killed that walker. they know they're up against some badasses


This. They've been living without a secure camp for 8 months. They've hardened.
2012-11-26 11:26:44 AM  
1 vote:
I really missed a lot of the newest ep. I usually pick up on the small things but reading this thread I missed a lot. Granted my 9 month old daughter had one of those nights where she sleept only in half hour increments so I had to jump and get her twice while watching. I guess I will be watching it again tonight.
2012-11-26 11:24:57 AM  
1 vote:

Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak.


Yeah, Merle is a lot of things, and not among those is educated or particularly creative. Merle's muscle, not brains or charisma. When Merle said clearing out a prison wasn't possible, he was probably being honest -- at the time, he had no reason to lie or attempt to manipulate (not knowing where the Atlanta survivors were or if they were still alive, especially Daryl), effectively ruling out the circumstance in which Merle shows any true cunning. It's much more likely Merle wasn't able to figure out a way to clear the prison out that would make taking it worth it.
2012-11-26 11:19:00 AM  
1 vote:

Popcorn Johnny: Andrea sure has a great ass.


Butterface.

/michonne's is better too
2012-11-26 11:06:56 AM  
1 vote:

Marisyana: You'll all be dorking out about another show this time next year. Read a book and imagine your own show.


2/10.
2012-11-26 11:00:22 AM  
1 vote:

Broktun: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.


Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak. He has a stronger team than Rick with more equipment and gear. And Rick's team had no trouble killing the walkers. They only ran into problems when living people actively sabotaged the prison.

Plus they've got all sorts of military grade equipment and the nerd even made his bite-proof suit

Maggie told them they were at the prison and said they had 10 people.

The walkers are *only* a problem when you aren't prepared for them
2012-11-26 10:46:55 AM  
1 vote:

BizarreMan: Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you.


It's especially easy when you live in a magic prison where none of the doors are electronic and nearly all of them don't lock anyway.

Not that it matters much. In last weeks episode Daryl deliberately chose to move past living walkers in a room with the door actually ajar so he could come back and "kill them later". He did not seem to think getting caught in a crunch between zombies in front and behind was anything to be concerned with.
2012-11-26 09:33:45 AM  
1 vote:

BizarreMan: Chandler Riggs is sitting at the kids table at the Emmy's, Golden Globes, etc, talking to the other child actors.....


In half a season, Carl has gone from a meme joke to the level of Adric and alt.startrek.wesley.crusher.die.die.die to.... what? Total-badass? Very happy for the actor and the character.

I'm not sure if I put him in the same category as Kiernan Shirpka, but when they want to put these two in a drama in about 20 years, I'll be there.
2012-11-26 09:12:02 AM  
1 vote:
I really, really, really wanted to like this show, but it seems to be going in the wrong direction.

The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

One grief stricken Rick cleared out half the place in a fit of anger. Killing walkers should be a non-issue at this point. And, these people have managed to clear out/defend their town, which is going to be significantly more difficult than the prison. The prison is pretty secure, with lots of locking cells and doors and wings. But a town? That's just open. They had to build walls. Not just build walls, they've also managed to do a significant amount of infrastructure work (all of the water lines and electricity provided via the generators). They've done significantly better than the group in the prison - so why are they impressed?

Not only did they handle the walkers, they've been killing *people*. People are infinitely more dangerous than walkers.
2012-11-26 06:48:22 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: I think it's probably more likely the writers just forgot.


They must have LOST that previous plot point.

I haven't read the comics, so I can't compare, but I think they're setting up the Governor to be more of a bullshiat artist than paramilitary badass in the show.

But I'm not sure. One minute, he's taking out a platoon of Guardsmen without losing a single man, or suffering a single casualty. The next, he's got a crossbowman on the wall that can't shoot for shiat, and his inner circle seems pretty limited to 3-5 guys, two of which died last week.

And unless anyone would like to argue that Rick and the gang are going to live happily-ever-after at Woodbury, I think that group of townspeople is farked once Rick kills what's left of their defense force.
2012-11-26 04:27:33 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: MagSeven: Summoner101: MagSeven: fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.

Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?

I think she's just realizing how very little the fortress she rolled in to really knows about the zombies and she's playing innocent until she can use that to her advantage.

SO more of a thoughtful, selfish asshole.

That would be pretty cool if you turn out to be right. I've never given her that much credit though.

I think it's probably more likely the writers just forgot.


Yea or that. They do seem to put her in situations where her experience on the road is vastly superior to the knowledge of the camp yet she more or less stays quiet about correcting them.
2012-11-26 04:08:08 AM  
1 vote:

MagSeven: Summoner101: MagSeven: fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.

Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?

I think she's just realizing how very little the fortress she rolled in to really knows about the zombies and she's playing innocent until she can use that to her advantage.

SO more of a thoughtful, selfish asshole.

That would be pretty cool if you turn out to be right. I've never given her that much credit though.


I think it's probably more likely the writers just forgot.
2012-11-26 03:28:51 AM  
1 vote:

IronTom: /Hope walkers can;t bite through duct tape


They can't. We've seen this demonstrated twice this season (once with Milton and once with Glenn tonight). I expect to see everyone sporting duct tape sleeves in the future.

And watching the "In Memoriam" segment on TD I just noticed how when Glenn killed the walker with the chair arm it came out its eye socket and the eyeball dangled off the end. Nice touch.
2012-11-26 01:41:28 AM  
1 vote:
Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.
2012-11-26 01:20:21 AM  
1 vote:
The next episode is the mid-season finale!? Mid-season finales should not exist, dammit. Get on with it.
2012-11-26 12:52:21 AM  
1 vote:

buffalosoldier: AutumnWind: Really glad to hear Maggie wasn't raped and they didn't show her naked in those conditions. I couldn't watch the episode otherwise. I would have stopped and sent angry letters. Totally fine with nudity, but didn't want to see that for Maggie when it's forced. Zombie guts and blood are not that disturbing.

I will never get that. The show depicts multiple murderers as acceptable heroes, violence galore, of the domestic variety even on occasion. Matricide, sure. But one rape and people tweek out?


Especially since... the same consideration was not given for Michonne. The number of threads out in internet land talking about 'I sure hope they don't show Michonne getting rape' were practically non-existent. The number of threads rubbing hands with glee about how possibly graphic Michonne's rape was going to be, however, ....


but white girl could be raped? It's just too 'Shaka Zulu shows black tits but obscures white tits'
2012-11-25 11:55:55 PM  
1 vote:

kumanoki: IronTom: Chill out, ye paranoid hermits...

No.
We saw what happened this week to a paranoid hermit.


I'd love to know the story behind that hermit. How the fark did he survive out there on his own for so long? Did he even know a zombie apocalypse was going on? Strange that he threatened to call the cops.
2012-11-25 11:42:04 PM  
1 vote:

kumanoki: By the way, I highly recommend the Telltale Games Walking Dead episodes. They're 400 points each on XBLA, so a grand total of 20.00. The game mechanics are nothing new, but the writing, the voice acting...superb. Living with the consequences of your actions is a major theme. Your group holds you accountable for the decisions you make throughout the entire game, and these aren't your standard good/bad choices. The 'right' answer is ambiguous, up for debate...and you have to stay alive.
No joke, it's a strong dark horse contender for GOTY.


I love the game but it's not as ground-breaking as some people think. There are really no real consequences for the decisions you make, the main storyline is the same no matter what you do. Still, I highly recommend it as a good story through an interesting medium.
2012-11-25 10:56:05 PM  
1 vote:
Andrea sure has a great ass.
2012-11-25 10:54:54 PM  
1 vote:

kumanoki: WienerButt: How come axel isn't with them? He said he'd go. At least verbalize that he should stay behind.

No, I get the feeling we're going to see a fox in the henhouse sort of thing with him. I dunno. Maybe it didn't need to be verbalized since it became apparent he wasn't on the away team.


He gets a bit too close pervy with Beth and Carl kills him.
2012-11-25 10:43:39 PM  
1 vote:
AMC better not pull a stunt similar to Breaking Bad and have the last half of the season start up next October.
2012-11-25 10:27:03 PM  
1 vote:
When are Rick and his gang going to find the different Dharma stations scattered around the island?
2012-11-25 10:24:28 PM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.


Her shirt has a 5 on it. Rick has killed 4 people so far...
2012-11-25 10:21:18 PM  
1 vote:
My wife just made a really good point: There hasn't been a lot of emotional connection with Ass-kicker these past couple of episodes...are they setting the baby up to die?
2012-11-25 10:16:41 PM  
1 vote:

SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.


My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.
2012-11-25 10:14:36 PM  
1 vote:

D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.


Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.
2012-11-25 10:10:24 PM  
1 vote:

SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.


Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle
2012-11-25 09:59:29 PM  
1 vote:
What are they running all the generators on anyhow to produce that much electricity?
2012-11-25 09:58:53 PM  
1 vote:
Andrea, you dork
2012-11-25 09:58:02 PM  
1 vote:
THis end music is pretty farking cool...
2012-11-25 09:53:10 PM  
1 vote:

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so does mayberry, whatever it's called, use walkers to protect their town?


I don't think so. Not that it matters. The show is pretty inconsistent with the idea that zombies are fooled by the smell of other zombies.
2012-11-25 09:51:25 PM  
1 vote:

HempHead: Can't believe T-Dog(2) is still alive.


Two Dogg just got a happy hard on for Michonne when she stabbed that dude.
2012-11-25 09:50:38 PM  
1 vote:
See, that's why I like Michonne. She takes care of the sh*t that needs to be done without spending a whole episode debating it.
2012-11-25 09:50:28 PM  
1 vote:
poor guy lived there for god knows how long before those jackasses come along and ruin everything
2012-11-25 09:45:56 PM  
1 vote:
walking in the woods is never good on this show.
2012-11-25 09:40:35 PM  
1 vote:
Can we have consensual Naked Maggie?
2012-11-25 09:38:04 PM  
1 vote:
i don't think what's her face, farmer girl, is as big as an idiot as Andrea. always falling for bad guys
2012-11-25 09:37:30 PM  
1 vote:

Mugato: I tuned in late. What's Jack Tripper doing with the old guy. Is he a zombie?


He's going to see if he can remember things after her turns

...but Mr Furly thinks it has something to do with sex
2012-11-25 09:34:33 PM  
1 vote:
ugh, now Verzion is going to get into a depute with AMC, i'm starting to think that AMC is the issue
2012-11-25 09:32:01 PM  
1 vote:
1. Glenn, great scene.

2. Hey, Michonne, there's an Island in the Pacific you should visit. Hard to get to, but they communicate things about as well as you do.

/Maybe mention, they have the firepower and will to take out a platoon of National Guard?
//Nah, lets use the cheapest plot device available
2012-11-25 09:29:07 PM  
1 vote:
Just Glen's luck, they used American made furniture to tie him to.
2012-11-25 09:27:28 PM  
1 vote:
new.assets.thequietus.com
2012-11-25 09:26:05 PM  
1 vote:
Its Weyland from Prometheus!

Alien cross over.
2012-11-25 09:24:00 PM  
1 vote:
Mrs. Miller? Weird name for a baby but, ok...
2012-11-25 09:22:51 PM  
1 vote:

balthan: though


Also some whiskey and biting on a leather belt.
2012-11-25 09:14:11 PM  
1 vote:
I like Andrea's underpants.
2012-11-25 09:13:31 PM  
1 vote:
"Penny..."
2012-11-25 09:08:56 PM  
1 vote:
let the walkers have her
2012-11-25 09:01:44 PM  
1 vote:

geom_00: How was Michone NOT being eaten??


She was covered in zombie guts. Like Rick in the first season.
2012-11-25 09:01:06 PM  
1 vote:

IronTom: I'm burning with excitement.


I read that as "burning with excrement".

/reading the Bible thread
2012-11-25 09:00:54 PM  
1 vote:
How was Michone NOT being eaten??
2012-11-25 09:00:20 PM  
1 vote:
Michonne walking up to the fence: creepy and cool at the same time
2012-11-25 08:38:43 PM  
1 vote:

Methadone Girls:


Merle needs to die. He won't forgive the group for leaving him behind.


From what I gather he wasn't all that chummy with them before that. Of all the people that are enthralled to the Gov only Merle has the courage to defy him....by lying about Michonne.
2012-11-25 08:20:29 PM  
1 vote:

darkedgefan: What do you watch at 9PM? Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, or Family Guy?


What is wrong with you? This isn't a game.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2012-11-25 08:14:52 PM  
1 vote:
What do you watch at 9am? Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, or Family Guy? Thank God they rerun Boardwalk and Walking dead over and over. The DVR can only record two at the same time.

Homer had great line a few weeks ago. "There are like 8 great shows on Sunday night, none of them on FOX of course." Hahahaha. It is still funny.
2012-11-25 07:50:56 PM  
1 vote:
I've met several people during my life that were just like Merle; I've disliked all of them just as I do him.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Merle dead.
2012-11-25 07:25:03 PM  
1 vote:
Will Michonne find her way to the prison? Really, subby? Did you watch the previous episode?

Also

25.media.tumblr.com
2012-11-25 04:05:55 PM  
1 vote:

MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!

Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?

I said rape- not pedophilism.

Nothing pisses me off as using rape as part of entertainment.

You must not have enjoyed The Last House on the Left.

/it really was a hard movie to watch.


I wouldn't have sought it out. It's one of those cheap tricks authors use to show how horrible the bad guy is. And it's always end used in Fantasy fiction as the ultimate degradation of heroic female character.

There's a certain level of cartoony you can get away with with violence, because its far removed from reality. You can't really do that with rape.

I knew a woman who stopped playing in a role playing game because the DM insisted making his fantasy word "real" with lots of rape.
2012-11-25 02:46:39 PM  
1 vote:
I'm dreading tonight's episode. Maggie and Glenn are my favorite characters so they better not get hurt!
2012-11-25 01:43:22 PM  
1 vote:
How sad is it, that the video game had a deeper plot and more involved characters?

My daughter got me to download the game, and while the gameplay was basic, the plot and characters had me hooked. And for the most part, the characters in the game were at least consistent...
 
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