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(Gather)   Will Rick get another phone call? Will Michonne find her way to the prison? Will Merle lend a hand to Maggie and Glenn, or does The Governor have something else in mind? It's your official Walking Dead Discussion Thread (9PM ET on AMC)   (entertainment.gather.com) divider line 546
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2012-11-25 12:21:06 PM
Poor, poor Maggie...

/Of course, maybe they'll surprise us and Glenn will be the one to get raped.
 
2012-11-25 12:56:29 PM
Don't we already know the answer to each of those questions?
 
2012-11-25 01:10:02 PM
Is subby a week behind? Find out tonight at 9PM ET on AMC.
 
2012-11-25 01:13:54 PM
Michone knows enough about Andrea's group to put together that the prison gang is the same Andrea was with at the farm house. She's going to fill in Rick and they'll form a rescue party which will head to Woodbury by the end of the episode, leaving us at a cliff hanger. Andrea will not find out about Glen's capture yet.

My thoughts.
 
2012-11-25 01:43:22 PM
How sad is it, that the video game had a deeper plot and more involved characters?

My daughter got me to download the game, and while the gameplay was basic, the plot and characters had me hooked. And for the most part, the characters in the game were at least consistent...
 
2012-11-25 02:46:39 PM
I'm dreading tonight's episode. Maggie and Glenn are my favorite characters so they better not get hurt!
 
2012-11-25 02:49:25 PM

flamingboar: I'm dreading tonight's episode. Maggie and Glenn are my favorite characters so they better not get hurt!


Glenn gets his teeth kicked in and Maggie gets locked up in the Rape Room. Happy Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-25 02:51:27 PM

jack21221: flamingboar: I'm dreading tonight's episode. Maggie and Glenn are my favorite characters so they better not get hurt!

Glenn gets his teeth kicked in and Maggie gets locked up in the Rape Room. Happy Thanksgiving.


It could all be in Rick's head, or maybe Carl is autistic and stareing at a snow globe?
 
2012-11-25 03:01:49 PM

jack21221: flamingboar: I'm dreading tonight's episode. Maggie and Glenn are my favorite characters so they better not get hurt!

Glenn gets his teeth kicked in and Maggie gets locked up in the Rape Room. Happy Thanksgiving.


So, Woodbury has its annual Thanksgiving Day Play, and Glenn and Maggie get to play the Native Americans?
 
2012-11-25 03:03:30 PM

OtherLittleGuy: So, Woodbury has its annual Thanksgiving Day Play, and Glenn and Maggie get to play the Native Americans?


Just like Addams Family Values.
 
2012-11-25 03:04:40 PM
Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!
 
2012-11-25 03:07:06 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!


Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?
 
2012-11-25 03:13:58 PM
Fortunately, AMC spruced up the Rape Room:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-25 03:25:40 PM

MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!

Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?


I said rape- not pedophilism.

Nothing pisses me off as using rape as part of entertainment.
 
2012-11-25 03:25:49 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!


Only if it's legitimate.

I hate phony rape.

/rape
 
2012-11-25 03:27:03 PM

Darth_Lukecash: MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!

Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?

I said rape- not pedophilism.

Nothing pisses me off as using rape as part of entertainment.


You must not have enjoyed The Last House on the Left.

/it really was a hard movie to watch.
 
2012-11-25 04:05:55 PM

MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!

Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?

I said rape- not pedophilism.

Nothing pisses me off as using rape as part of entertainment.

You must not have enjoyed The Last House on the Left.

/it really was a hard movie to watch.


I wouldn't have sought it out. It's one of those cheap tricks authors use to show how horrible the bad guy is. And it's always end used in Fantasy fiction as the ultimate degradation of heroic female character.

There's a certain level of cartoony you can get away with with violence, because its far removed from reality. You can't really do that with rape.

I knew a woman who stopped playing in a role playing game because the DM insisted making his fantasy word "real" with lots of rape.
 
2012-11-25 04:06:48 PM

hubiestubert: How sad is it, that the video game had a deeper plot and more involved characters?


I felt that way about the new (relatively new) Tron movie - the plot of the game was 10 times better than the plot of the movie.

Unfortunately, the gameplay mechanics sucked, so I never got to the end.
 
2012-11-25 04:20:49 PM

MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!

Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?

I said rape- not pedophilism.

Nothing pisses me off as using rape as part of entertainment.

You must not have enjoyed The Last House on the Left.

/it really was a hard movie to watch.


Trigger warning

I always think what the pitch for such a movie is like: "So, next we have a long, agonizing rape scene, filled with the screams of our buxom protagonist. But it won't be exploitative at all and rather quite tastefully done." ???
 
2012-11-25 04:22:16 PM
"Will there be zombies?"

/rape can be used in fiction just fine
//problem is that most writers use it lazily
///tentacle rape is ok, tho
 
2012-11-25 04:22:24 PM

Lsherm: Unfortunately, the gameplay mechanics sucked, so I never got to the end.


Download Ricochet.
 
2012-11-25 05:15:10 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I wouldn't have sought it out. It's one of those cheap tricks authors use to show how horrible the bad guy is. And it's always end used in Fantasy fiction as the ultimate degradation of heroic female character.

There's a certain level of cartoony you can get away with with violence, because its far removed from reality. You can't really do that with rape.

I knew a woman who stopped playing in a role playing game because the DM insisted making his fantasy word "real" with lots of rape.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil
 
2012-11-25 05:27:32 PM
Well, I see we're off to a good start. Maybe there won't be any rape at all. Maybe they'll make Maggie tea and give her pretty dresses. It could happen.
 
2012-11-25 05:35:10 PM

Methadone Girls: Well, I see we're off to a good start. Maybe there won't be any rape at all. Maybe they'll make Maggie tea and give her pretty dresses. It could happen.


Because it's PC, they don't rape Maggie. That's discrimination. Everyone instead rapes the Asian kid. Again and again, Merle and the Governer, and all the rest.

And, for the rest of the season, he doesn't sit down.

It's a ballsy re-write of the original story, I'll grant you.
 
2012-11-25 05:47:18 PM

doglover: Methadone Girls: Well, I see we're off to a good start. Maybe there won't be any rape at all. Maybe they'll make Maggie tea and give her pretty dresses. It could happen.

Because it's PC, they don't rape Maggie. That's discrimination. Everyone instead rapes the Asian kid. Again and again, Merle and the Governer, and all the rest.

And, for the rest of the season, he doesn't sit down.

It's a ballsy re-write of the original story, I'll grant you.


*snert* Ballsy.
 
2012-11-25 06:22:29 PM

Methadone Girls: Well, I see we're off to a good start. Maybe there won't be any rape at all. Maybe they'll make Maggie tea and give her pretty dresses. It could happen.


I'm betting Rick goes total cray-cray and rapes the phone.
 
2012-11-25 07:00:19 PM

coco ebert: MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!

Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?

I said rape- not pedophilism.

Nothing pisses me off as using rape as part of entertainment.

You must not have enjoyed The Last House on the Left.

/it really was a hard movie to watch.

Trigger warning

I always think what the pitch for such a movie is like: "So, next we have a long, agonizing rape scene, filled with the screams of our buxom protagonist. But it won't be exploitative at all and rather quite tastefully done." ???


I remember one indie film maker was really happy that he filmed a graphic rape scene because it "was real. I'm not letting the audience off."

Look, there are stories that deal with rape rather well- but when it's something that is meant as entertainment- it becomes obvious that its just laziness.
 
2012-11-25 07:25:03 PM
Will Michonne find her way to the prison? Really, subby? Did you watch the previous episode?

Also

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-25 07:50:56 PM
I've met several people during my life that were just like Merle; I've disliked all of them just as I do him.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Merle dead.
 
2012-11-25 07:54:45 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Will Michonne find her way to the prison? Really, subby? Did you watch the previous episode?

Also


I watch Walking Dead every week, and just watched Love, Actually on Wednesday, and never put together this was the same actor. Yes, I'm neither terribly bright nor observant.
 
2012-11-25 08:02:38 PM

Krymson Tyde: I've met several people during my life that were just like Merle; I've disliked all of them just as I do him.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Merle dead.


You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

Merle is awesome
 
2012-11-25 08:03:32 PM
I am absolutely dreading tonight's show. Glen and Maggie are in for a world of hurt.

=[
 
2012-11-25 08:07:10 PM

One Bad Apple: Krymson Tyde: I've met several people during my life that were just like Merle; I've disliked all of them just as I do him.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Merle dead.

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

Merle is awesome


Simmer down. You're both correct.
 
2012-11-25 08:11:40 PM

Soulcatcher: I am absolutely dreading tonight's show. Glen and Maggie are in for a world of hurt.

=[


Maybe you will get to rejoice if they are rescued violently in the end. Don't know if they will be, but it would be nice.
 
2012-11-25 08:14:52 PM
What do you watch at 9am? Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, or Family Guy? Thank God they rerun Boardwalk and Walking dead over and over. The DVR can only record two at the same time.

Homer had great line a few weeks ago. "There are like 8 great shows on Sunday night, none of them on FOX of course." Hahahaha. It is still funny.
 
2012-11-25 08:15:56 PM
What do you watch at 9PM? Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, or Family Guy? Thank God they rerun Boardwalk and Walking dead over and over. The DVR can only record two at the same time.

Homer had great line a few weeks ago. "There are like 8 great shows on Sunday night, none of them on FOX of course." Hahahaha. It is still funny.
 
2012-11-25 08:20:29 PM

darkedgefan: What do you watch at 9PM? Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, or Family Guy?


What is wrong with you? This isn't a game.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-25 08:20:33 PM

someonelse: One Bad Apple: Krymson Tyde: I've met several people during my life that were just like Merle; I've disliked all of them just as I do him.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Merle dead.

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

Merle is awesome

Simmer down. You're both correct.


I want to see Merle have all his limbs replaced with other items. And go full steampunk.

His junk will be replaced with a brass meteorological station.
 
2012-11-25 08:20:46 PM
You'll all be dorking out about another show this time next year. Read a book and imagine your own show.
 
2012-11-25 08:20:56 PM

hubiestubert: How sad is it, that the video game had a deeper plot and more involved characters?

My daughter got me to download the game, and while the gameplay was basic, the plot and characters had me hooked. And for the most part, the characters in the game were at least consistent...


SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 1 OF THE GAME

Did anyone else decide to let Carley die because she was simply too stupid to let live? She was a good shot and all, but the scene where she couldn't figure out that you needed batteries for a radio to work, followed up by her putting the batteries in backwards when you gave her some pretty much sealed her fate for me. I just decided that she was a liability.

Not to mention that being a good shot doesn't help all that much because the shots will draw more walkers than going in with an axe or screwdriver, and eventually you are going to run out of ammo. I just figured that Doug was the better choice to save, but apparently only 29% of people agree.

/Haven't played the other episodes yet, so I don't know if saving Doug instead will work out or not.
 
2012-11-25 08:23:26 PM

Marisyana: You'll all be dorking out about another show this time next year. Read a book and imagine your own show.


Hell, I write my own books. But I need time for knitting.

Anyway...Doctor Who audio dramas.
 
2012-11-25 08:24:20 PM
cdn2.gamefront.com 

Just remember, you are killing for T Dogg
 
2012-11-25 08:26:31 PM

FunkOut:

I want to see Merle have all his limbs replaced with other items. And go full steampunk.

His junk will be replaced with a brass meteorological station.


www.pce-instruments.com

How YOU doin' ?
 
2012-11-25 08:29:09 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Poor, poor Maggie...

/Of course, maybe they'll surprise us and Glenn will be the one to get raped.


Heh, you read my mind.
 
2012-11-25 08:31:19 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Methadone Girls: Well, I see we're off to a good start. Maybe there won't be any rape at all. Maybe they'll make Maggie tea and give her pretty dresses. It could happen.

I'm betting Rick goes total cray-cray and rapes the phone.


www.akelarre.tv
 
2012-11-25 08:34:04 PM

One Bad Apple: Krymson Tyde: I've met several people during my life that were just like Merle; I've disliked all of them just as I do him.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Merle dead.

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

Merle is awesome


Merle needs to die. He won't forgive the group for leaving him behind.
 
2012-11-25 08:34:59 PM
Maybe Tyrese will show up to save Glenn and Maggie.
 
2012-11-25 08:35:15 PM

MoronLessOff: Michone knows enough about Andrea's group to put together that the prison gang is the same Andrea was with at the farm house. She's going to fill in Rick and they'll form a rescue party which will head to Woodbury by the end of the episode, leaving us at a cliff hanger.


The last episode before the mid-season break isn't till next week, iirc.
 
2012-11-25 08:38:43 PM

Methadone Girls:


Merle needs to die. He won't forgive the group for leaving him behind.


From what I gather he wasn't all that chummy with them before that. Of all the people that are enthralled to the Gov only Merle has the courage to defy him....by lying about Michonne.
 
2012-11-25 08:44:32 PM
Packer game is on...sorry i wont be here for the thread....but postgame will watch and will be commenting here.
 
2012-11-25 08:44:56 PM
Starting to dim the lights for the main attraction.
 
2012-11-25 08:45:29 PM
Hey all!

Ready for some gratuitous zombie killin violence!!
 
2012-11-25 08:45:31 PM

eagles95: Packer game is on...sorry i wont be here for the thread....but postgame will watch and will be commenting here.


You'll be missed.
 
2012-11-25 08:47:55 PM

IronTom: eagles95: Packer game is on...sorry i wont be here for the thread....but postgame will watch and will be commenting here.

You'll be missed.


whoever you are
 
2012-11-25 08:53:05 PM

eagles95: Packer game is on...sorry i wont be here for the thread....but postgame will watch and will be commenting here.


Packer fan? And nothing of value will be missed.
 
2012-11-25 08:53:45 PM
Where's Rincewind?

5 minutes folks. Places!
 
2012-11-25 08:54:50 PM
Just tuned in as the re-run of last week is airing at the scene where Andrea had a naked thigh around the Governor.

....mmm...whore Andrea.
 
2012-11-25 08:57:44 PM
I'm burning with excitement.
 
2012-11-25 08:59:27 PM

IronTom: I'm burning with excitement.


They make a lotion for that now
 
2012-11-25 09:00:06 PM
v006o.popscreen.com

Dedicated to Crazy Legs Elroy (L Roy?) Hersche
 
2012-11-25 09:00:20 PM
Michonne walking up to the fence: creepy and cool at the same time
 
2012-11-25 09:00:29 PM
Woot!! Here we go!!
 
2012-11-25 09:00:54 PM
How was Michone NOT being eaten??
 
2012-11-25 09:01:06 PM

IronTom: I'm burning with excitement.


I read that as "burning with excrement".

/reading the Bible thread
 
2012-11-25 09:01:07 PM
Please don't hurt Maggie....
 
2012-11-25 09:01:42 PM

geom_00: How was Michone NOT being eaten??


She's covered in Walker blood. She smells like them
 
2012-11-25 09:01:44 PM

geom_00: How was Michone NOT being eaten??


She was covered in zombie guts. Like Rick in the first season.
 
2012-11-25 09:02:44 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

T Dogg didnt make it?
 
2012-11-25 09:03:00 PM
"He alive.... alive.... ALIVE!"
 
2012-11-25 09:03:03 PM

Methadone Girls: geom_00: How was Michone NOT being eaten??

She's covered in Walker blood. She smells like them


ranak: geom_00: How was Michone NOT being eaten??

She was covered in zombie guts. Like Rick in the first season.


Gotcha. Wasn't 100% sure about that.
 
2012-11-25 09:04:31 PM
Glen is a tough cookie!
 
2012-11-25 09:05:04 PM
Approves of Merle:

mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-25 09:05:30 PM

HempHead: Glen is a tough cookie!


And Merill and Daryl are gonna have some words in the near future, methinks.
 
2012-11-25 09:05:32 PM
Glenn's got something to prove.
 
2012-11-25 09:05:39 PM

OtherLittleGuy: IronTom: I'm burning with excitement.

I read that as "burning with excrement".

/reading the Bible thread


hyaahhahaha

having a fling
 
2012-11-25 09:05:53 PM
Woah. This isn't going to be good.
 
2012-11-25 09:06:14 PM
images.wikia.com

Hey bro, you wanna know where I am? I found my dehydrated leather mit to fark. That's where i am. See the heart on my cross bow?
 
2012-11-25 09:06:47 PM
Head butt! Good boy Glenn!
 
2012-11-25 09:06:58 PM
Freakshow?

How far will AMC to get ratings??
 
2012-11-25 09:06:59 PM
It must be hard not to hit with the bayonethand

Not sure what the bayonet to the lip is supposed to do, it can't be fun though.
 
2012-11-25 09:08:54 PM
Open the gate Rick!
 
2012-11-25 09:08:56 PM
let the walkers have her
 
2012-11-25 09:09:02 PM
Yes, Carl. HELP HER.
 
2012-11-25 09:09:06 PM
And she's off Michonning!
 
2012-11-25 09:09:10 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Approves of Merle:

[mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com image 658x597]



idiamin.weebly.com


Bab 5 didn't invent the severed heads in jars thing
 
2012-11-25 09:10:00 PM
Yay Carl!

/wait wha?
 
2012-11-25 09:10:24 PM
YAY!!

Mentally Stable Rick is back...for the time being at least...
 
2012-11-25 09:10:26 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Yay Carl!

/wait wha?


I'm liking Carl more and more.
 
2012-11-25 09:10:35 PM
When does tied up Maggie get naked and violated?
 
2012-11-25 09:10:36 PM
Lets water up your breasts
 
2012-11-25 09:11:43 PM
If Maggie gets hurt, I'm taking it out on a random puppie. Decide, AMC.
 
2012-11-25 09:11:58 PM
"Great. Another place I can't leave"
 
2012-11-25 09:12:36 PM
Daryll's gettin' some tonight fer shure!
 
2012-11-25 09:12:42 PM
Holy sh*t she lived.
 
2012-11-25 09:12:49 PM
Michonne looses her sword more times than Carl gets out of the house.
 
2012-11-25 09:13:10 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Will Michonne find her way to the prison? Really, subby? Did you watch the previous episode?

Also

[25.media.tumblr.com image 625x857]


that's a keeper LOL thank you, thisisyourbrainonFark
 
2012-11-25 09:13:22 PM

Mugato: If Maggie gets hurt, I'm taking it out on a random puppie. Decide, AMC.


Not the puppies Mugato. anything but the puppies
 
2012-11-25 09:13:31 PM
"Penny..."
 
2012-11-25 09:13:59 PM
Seriously. "My name is Michonne. The Governor took your people. And Andrea is there."

Was that so hard?
 
2012-11-25 09:14:11 PM
I like Andrea's underpants.
 
2012-11-25 09:14:13 PM
Andrea Thong!
 
2012-11-25 09:16:12 PM
HOLY SHIAT MERLE!!
 
2012-11-25 09:16:15 PM
poor Glenn!
 
2012-11-25 09:16:23 PM

ranak: Michonne looses her sword more times than Carl gets out of the house.


Carl? OH SHIAT! HAS ANYONE SEEN CARL?!?!??
 
2012-11-25 09:16:27 PM
Poor Glenn.
 
2012-11-25 09:16:44 PM
OH Merle doesn't know crazy Rick
 
2012-11-25 09:16:57 PM

oi_piss_me_off: poor Glenn!


Hey there Oi!!!
 
2012-11-25 09:17:12 PM
Short Round is getting farked up.
 
2012-11-25 09:17:23 PM

oi_piss_me_off: poor Glenn!


Hah. The kid can take a good beating.
 
2012-11-25 09:17:43 PM

Methadone Girls: OH Merle doesn't know crazy Rick


New battle plan. Stand behind Rick.
 
2012-11-25 09:17:51 PM
hey geom!
 
2012-11-25 09:18:42 PM

Craptastic: I like Andrea's underpants.


yes, especially with the wiggle she put into them.
 
2012-11-25 09:18:46 PM

Lionel Mandrake: ranak: Michonne looses her sword more times than Carl gets out of the house.

Carl? OH SHIAT! HAS ANYONE SEEN CARL?!?!??


Have you seen him? Damn, that kid's a crack shot!
 
2012-11-25 09:19:34 PM
Die Merle, you redneck POS!
 
2012-11-25 09:19:51 PM
LOOK

OUT


------?
 
2012-11-25 09:20:20 PM
What's the over/under on how long the scientist survives?
 
2012-11-25 09:20:25 PM

D2theMcV: Seriously. "My name is Michonne. The Governor took your people. And Andrea is there."

Was that so hard?


It is for the writers. Like others were saying, Michonne's an attorney (unless they changed that for the show, inexplicably) and couldn't explain herself and her misgivings to Andrea over how many episodes?
 
2012-11-25 09:21:34 PM
Wait, I thought all gunshot wounds on TV had to be treated by pulling the bullet out with forceps and dropping it into a metal bowl.
 
2012-11-25 09:21:49 PM
look out (below)?
 
2012-11-25 09:21:58 PM
pixeldripgallery.com


Dont Fark with Carl!
 
2012-11-25 09:22:51 PM

balthan: though


Also some whiskey and biting on a leather belt.
 
2012-11-25 09:22:54 PM
Thank you for killing my wife, Carl. No I mean it, THANK YOU.
 
2012-11-25 09:23:06 PM
Asskicker, meet Stormagedden.
 
2012-11-25 09:23:10 PM
Glenn's in pretty bad shape, and the Governor hasn't even introduced himself yet.
 
2012-11-25 09:23:22 PM
WTF Carl?
 
2012-11-25 09:23:29 PM
Carl, you're now the man of the jail now.

Judith Ass-Kicker...has a nice ring to it.
 
2012-11-25 09:23:29 PM
I wonder if that last prisoner is going to try anything while all the big guns are gone.
 
2012-11-25 09:23:44 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: D2theMcV: Seriously. "My name is Michonne. The Governor took your people. And Andrea is there."

Was that so hard?

It is for the writers. Like others were saying, Michonne's an attorney (unless they changed that for the show, inexplicably) and couldn't explain herself and her misgivings to Andrea over how many episodes?


Lawyer confidentiality clause is no doubt preventing her from talking.
 
2012-11-25 09:24:00 PM
Mrs. Miller? Weird name for a baby but, ok...
 
2012-11-25 09:24:03 PM
Can asskicker be her middle name at least?
 
2012-11-25 09:24:37 PM
No, son..."Judith" sucks. Dumbass.
 
2012-11-25 09:24:41 PM
So they took an expendable crew member with them.
 
2012-11-25 09:24:58 PM
good ol Hyundai, survives a zombie apocalypse
 
2012-11-25 09:24:59 PM
Well, this looks like it's going to get freaky...
 
2012-11-25 09:25:18 PM

shanrick: So they took an expendable crew member with them.


he just needs a red shirt
 
2012-11-25 09:25:46 PM
Going to war in a Hyundai with Mustache and Two-Dogg...

I predict that Mustache will defect to the Gov.
 
2012-11-25 09:26:05 PM
Its Weyland from Prometheus!

Alien cross over.
 
2012-11-25 09:26:24 PM
Well this is creepy as fark.
 
2012-11-25 09:26:48 PM

Lionel Mandrake: No, son..."Judith" sucks. Dumbass.


Disagrees, thricely:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-25 09:27:05 PM
what kind of experiments are they doing here...creepy
 
2012-11-25 09:27:20 PM
awwwww....crap
 
2012-11-25 09:27:28 PM
new.assets.thequietus.com
 
2012-11-25 09:27:46 PM
Good lord! He's insane!
 
2012-11-25 09:27:49 PM
Get free and beat the shiat out of Merl, Shot Round!
 
2012-11-25 09:28:12 PM
Merle needs to meet a walker....like 3 HOURS ago.
 
2012-11-25 09:28:40 PM
Kick him in the nuts!!
 
2012-11-25 09:28:55 PM
farking GLENN!
 
2012-11-25 09:29:05 PM
awwwwww...they could have played round and round the table for hours
 
2012-11-25 09:29:07 PM
Just Glen's luck, they used American made furniture to tie him to.
 
2012-11-25 09:29:08 PM
WAY TO GO GLENN!!!
 
2012-11-25 09:29:11 PM
Chair-Fu!
 
2012-11-25 09:29:13 PM
BOOM! Headshot!
 
2012-11-25 09:29:14 PM
...whoa...Glenn the Barbarian!
 
2012-11-25 09:29:16 PM
Damn Glenn is bad-ass!
 
2012-11-25 09:29:28 PM
holy crapglenn!
 
2012-11-25 09:29:44 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Kick him in the nuts!!


Do zombie have nards?!
 
2012-11-25 09:30:11 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Lionel Mandrake: No, son..."Judith" sucks. Dumbass.

Disagrees, thricely:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x285]


Prefers "Judy"

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-25 09:30:35 PM
Merle, you racist POS.
 
2012-11-25 09:30:38 PM

geom_00: Merle needs to meet a walker....like 3 HOURS ago.


too bad T-Dog's too ate up to be mobile :( then again, folks would just say that's a 28 Days later reset
 
2012-11-25 09:30:43 PM
HELL yeah, go Glenn!
 
2012-11-25 09:30:54 PM
That's not Short Round. That's some Dr Jones shiat there.
 
2012-11-25 09:31:09 PM

geom_00: Lionel Mandrake: Kick him in the nuts!!

Do zombie have nards?!


Zombie's got naarrrds!
 
2012-11-25 09:31:26 PM
Hope Michonne went with them.

/Hope walkers can;t bite through duct tape
 
2012-11-25 09:31:30 PM
This last fight scene sponsored by:
brandirectory.com
 
2012-11-25 09:31:57 PM
The only way that would have been better is if Merle walked back in and Glenn was sitting on the floor and said "I'm finished!"
 
2012-11-25 09:32:01 PM
1. Glenn, great scene.

2. Hey, Michonne, there's an Island in the Pacific you should visit. Hard to get to, but they communicate things about as well as you do.

/Maybe mention, they have the firepower and will to take out a platoon of National Guard?
//Nah, lets use the cheapest plot device available
 
2012-11-25 09:32:03 PM
The group's going to return to the prison and find that Axel has raped/murdered everyone else.

/EVERYONE ELSE.
 
2012-11-25 09:32:13 PM
Glenn's got the eye of the Jew! He's our anchorman!
 
2012-11-25 09:32:36 PM

D2theMcV: Damn Glenn is bad-ass!


He always was. Then he got pussy-whipped, and bad-assed Glen disappeared due to constant access to pussy.

/Glen is the ZA Samson
 
2012-11-25 09:33:13 PM
Comic Book Men are the most obnoxious collection of douchebags ever. Except maybe us.
 
2012-11-25 09:33:29 PM
Volunteered????

I bet...
 
2012-11-25 09:33:49 PM
10:1 says the dying dude is the scientists father.
 
2012-11-25 09:34:06 PM
hat kind of iPod is that big black wheel thing?
 
2012-11-25 09:34:27 PM

geom_00: 10:1 says the dying dude is the scientists father.


AAAAAND never mind,
 
2012-11-25 09:34:33 PM
ugh, now Verzion is going to get into a depute with AMC, i'm starting to think that AMC is the issue
 
2012-11-25 09:34:52 PM
I tuned in late. What's Jack Tripper doing with the old guy. Is he a zombie?
 
2012-11-25 09:34:59 PM

Mugato: Comic Book Men are the most obnoxious collection of douchebags ever. Except maybe us.


FREAKSHOW will give them a run for the money I bet.
 
2012-11-25 09:35:41 PM
i hope Merle gets shot by the governor
 
2012-11-25 09:35:50 PM
ooooo...merle is denied. hahahaha! Sucker!
 
2012-11-25 09:35:53 PM
Uh-oh, here comes the rape.
 
2012-11-25 09:36:11 PM
Uh oh. Rape Room in 4.... 3... 2... 1...
 
2012-11-25 09:36:26 PM
Govnuh Smoooove will "take care of it"

♪bow chicka bow bow♪
 
2012-11-25 09:36:45 PM

Mugato: Comic Book Men are the most obnoxious collection of douchebags ever. Except maybe us.


Tony is that you? oh wait, he would never go on fark nor like the creator of clerks
 
2012-11-25 09:36:49 PM
DESTROY HIM MAGGIE!
 
2012-11-25 09:36:55 PM
img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com
 
2012-11-25 09:37:09 PM
Jus a misunderstandin'
 
2012-11-25 09:37:11 PM
Merle had that look like "oh, this isn't going to end well."
 
2012-11-25 09:37:17 PM

Mugato: Comic Book Men are the most obnoxious collection of douchebags ever. Except maybe us.


Comic Book Men >> Country Bumpkin Security Force (or whatever that show after Breaking Bad was)
 
2012-11-25 09:37:22 PM
Glen's going to fark his shiat up.
 
2012-11-25 09:37:30 PM

Mugato: I tuned in late. What's Jack Tripper doing with the old guy. Is he a zombie?


He's going to see if he can remember things after her turns

...but Mr Furly thinks it has something to do with sex
 
2012-11-25 09:38:00 PM
Septum driven up into brain, killing two birds with one stone.
 
2012-11-25 09:38:01 PM

oi_piss_me_off: ugh, now Verzion is going to get into a depute with AMC, i'm starting to think that AMC is the issue


I thought the same thing. They are the common denominator here.
 
2012-11-25 09:38:04 PM
i don't think what's her face, farmer girl, is as big as an idiot as Andrea. always falling for bad guys
 
2012-11-25 09:38:11 PM
oh this isn't going to be good
 
2012-11-25 09:38:20 PM
Oh man....
 
2012-11-25 09:38:44 PM
Did the governor do the Boomhauer voice on King of the Hill?
 
2012-11-25 09:38:53 PM
yes...go on
 
2012-11-25 09:39:05 PM
Yum
 
2012-11-25 09:39:09 PM
crap. crap. crap. crap. crap. crap. crap. crap. crap. crap. crap. crap.
 
2012-11-25 09:39:13 PM
THIS SHOW NEEDS TO BE ON HBO!!!
 
2012-11-25 09:39:24 PM
Hot Rod Zoidberg


oi_piss_me_off: ugh, now Verzion is going to get into a depute with AMC, i'm starting to think that AMC is the issue

I thought the same thing. They are the common denominator here.



yup! i hope it gets sorted out quickly.
 
2012-11-25 09:39:35 PM
heh. gun hung on side of chair.
mistake numbah one
 
2012-11-25 09:39:53 PM
When I thought "How could they make this show better?" gratuitous nudity wasn't the first thing that came to mind. That's why I'm not creating shows, apparently!
 
2012-11-25 09:39:55 PM
Nooooooo. Not Maggie.
 
2012-11-25 09:40:30 PM

geom_00: THIS SHOW NEEDS TO BE ON HBO!!!


Joffrey needs to stick a candlestick up his ass.
 
2012-11-25 09:40:35 PM
Can we have consensual Naked Maggie?
 
2012-11-25 09:41:02 PM

D2theMcV: When I thought "How could they make this show better?" gratuitous nudity wasn't the first thing that came to mind. That's why I'm not creating shows, apparently!


There was no nudity.
 
2012-11-25 09:41:20 PM
So...nothing after all..? He just gets off on the power of it all, eh?
 
2012-11-25 09:41:45 PM
Maggie Moooo-ooooo-oooo-ooooo, she's a vegetarian!
 
2012-11-25 09:42:10 PM

geom_00: THIS SHOW NEEDS TO BE ON HBO!!!


Shut your mouth. I don't have HBO.
 
2012-11-25 09:42:13 PM

oi_piss_me_off: Hot Rod Zoidberg


oi_piss_me_off: ugh, now Verzion is going to get into a depute with AMC, i'm starting to think that AMC is the issue

I thought the same thing. They are the common denominator here.


yup! i hope it gets sorted out quickly.


Yeah, I have to see all those "Not Available on Verizon" bumpers.
 
2012-11-25 09:42:27 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: D2theMcV: When I thought "How could they make this show better?" gratuitous nudity wasn't the first thing that came to mind. That's why I'm not creating shows, apparently!

There was no nudity.


Well, for prime-time basic cable. Semi-nudity. A hint of naked Andrea and Maggie. They just have to set the scene, my mind fills in the rest.
 
2012-11-25 09:42:57 PM
Why is it that zero dark thirty actually looks good.

Am I that gullible??
 
2012-11-25 09:43:51 PM

geom_00: Why is it that zero dark thirty actually looks good.

Am I that gullible??


apparently
 
2012-11-25 09:44:01 PM

Tencolin: So...nothing after all..? He just gets off on the power of it all, eh?


Now he's gonna bone the shiat out of Andrea while thinking of Maggie. What a dirty little perv.
 
2012-11-25 09:44:33 PM

Tencolin: So...nothing after all..? He just gets off on the power of it all, eh?


ya.
 
2012-11-25 09:45:13 PM
They must wash that car every afternoon.
 
2012-11-25 09:45:20 PM
Great. They're gonna drag this rescue off until next week at best!
 
2012-11-25 09:45:52 PM
Why does this show feel so short?
 
2012-11-25 09:45:56 PM
walking in the woods is never good on this show.
 
2012-11-25 09:46:03 PM

D2theMcV: HotIgneous Intruder: D2theMcV: When I thought "How could they make this show better?" gratuitous nudity wasn't the first thing that came to mind. That's why I'm not creating shows, apparently!

There was no nudity.

Well, for prime-time basic cable. Semi-nudity. A hint of naked Andrea and Maggie. They just have to set the scene, my mind fills in the rest.


Governor has a sister fetish, nice.
 
2012-11-25 09:46:27 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Tencolin: So...nothing after all..? He just gets off on the power of it all, eh?

ya.


Well, it's better than expected (?)
 
2012-11-25 09:46:29 PM
That's rather cool that they see a walker off in the distance and know that it's not worth the energy to take it out. It's eerie that it's become so normal.
 
2012-11-25 09:46:44 PM
hundreds of walkers, doh.
 
2012-11-25 09:46:56 PM
dailytimewithgod.com
 
2012-11-25 09:47:10 PM
so does mayberry, whatever it's called, use walkers to protect their town?
 
2012-11-25 09:47:49 PM
Right, I forgot, there are zombies in this show.
 
2012-11-25 09:47:51 PM
So THAT'S what happened to the Honey Boo Boo Family.
 
2012-11-25 09:48:09 PM
www.traileraddict.com
 
2012-11-25 09:48:56 PM
Predator Girl doesn't fark around.
 
2012-11-25 09:49:01 PM
Well...Michonne...that works too.
 
2012-11-25 09:49:27 PM
damn. red zone.
so that's why it's called that.
 
2012-11-25 09:49:28 PM
why does Daryl hold his arms so high when he's about to fight?



Gross...
 
2012-11-25 09:49:48 PM

OtherLittleGuy: So THAT'S what happened to the Honey Boo Boo Family.


+1 to you good sir.
 
2012-11-25 09:49:56 PM
OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
 
2012-11-25 09:50:12 PM
Can't believe T-Dog(2) is still alive.
 
2012-11-25 09:50:12 PM
I don't think I want the rest of my lasagna
 
2012-11-25 09:50:14 PM
hahahahahaha! gross.
 
2012-11-25 09:50:17 PM
Hey, what nickname are we gonna give---oh, nevermind...
 
2012-11-25 09:50:28 PM
poor guy lived there for god knows how long before those jackasses come along and ruin everything
 
2012-11-25 09:50:38 PM
See, that's why I like Michonne. She takes care of the sh*t that needs to be done without spending a whole episode debating it.
 
2012-11-25 09:50:44 PM
*zombies graphically feasting on guts*

This program sponsored by KFC! Yum yum!
 
2012-11-25 09:50:52 PM
Artistic gore, or gory art?
 
2012-11-25 09:50:57 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I don't think I want the rest of my lasagna


Can I have it? I'm still eating leftovers from Thursday.
 
2012-11-25 09:50:59 PM
Nom nom, oh, KFC!

or fingers of blood, hmmm
 
2012-11-25 09:51:03 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: damn. red zone.
so that's why it's called that.


Yeah, but they usually have to settle for a field goal.
 
2012-11-25 09:51:05 PM
Mmmmmm, KFC Festive Feast after watching a random guy get killed with a samurai sword then eaten by zombles. lulz. Classy advertissments
 
2012-11-25 09:51:25 PM

HempHead: Can't believe T-Dog(2) is still alive.


Two Dogg just got a happy hard on for Michonne when she stabbed that dude.
 
2012-11-25 09:52:14 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so does mayberry, whatever it's called, use walkers to protect their town?


Looks a little zombieish...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-25 09:52:22 PM

oi_piss_me_off: poor guy lived there for god knows how long before those jackasses come along and ruin everything


Haha. Oh man, I feel horrible for laughing so hard at that.
 
2012-11-25 09:52:35 PM

oi_piss_me_off: poor guy lived there for god knows how long before those jackasses come along and ruin everything


Yes, but he was nuts.
 
2012-11-25 09:52:38 PM
Anyone else sick of Ashton Kutcher commercials?
 
2012-11-25 09:52:52 PM
So I'm predicting that the episode will end with Michonne realizing that Daryl is Merle's brother.
 
2012-11-25 09:53:06 PM

HempHead: Anyone else sick of Ashton Kutcher commercials?


He's so ... last year.
 
2012-11-25 09:53:10 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so does mayberry, whatever it's called, use walkers to protect their town?


I don't think so. Not that it matters. The show is pretty inconsistent with the idea that zombies are fooled by the smell of other zombies.
 
2012-11-25 09:53:16 PM

SithLord: Two Dogg


love it
 
2012-11-25 09:53:30 PM

Rhames: Mmmmmm, KFC Festive Feast after watching a random guy get killed with a samurai sword then eaten by zombles. lulz. Classy advertissments


So *that's* what the zombie noises mean: "Tastes like chicken".
 
2012-11-25 09:54:06 PM

IronTom: oi_piss_me_off: poor guy lived there for god knows how long before those jackasses come along and ruin everything

Yes, but he was nuts.


They should have killed Rick last episode when he started talking on the phone.
 
2012-11-25 09:54:13 PM
Meanwhile back in zombie experiment land...
 
2012-11-25 09:54:27 PM
Tencolin


oi_piss_me_off: poor guy lived there for god knows how long before those jackasses come along and ruin everything

Haha. Oh man, I feel horrible for laughing so hard at that.



All he wanted was a badge! AND his dog is dead!
 
2012-11-25 09:54:50 PM
He's faking.
 
2012-11-25 09:55:28 PM
whoopsie!
grandpa lunged.
 
2012-11-25 09:55:33 PM
Experiment over.
 
2012-11-25 09:55:37 PM
Pants dry there, Milty??
 
2012-11-25 09:55:38 PM
stupid science guy
 
2012-11-25 09:55:45 PM
Don't argue with the Governor's girlfriend, Sheldon.
 
2012-11-25 09:55:58 PM
This episode is full of chicks just getting shiat done. Michonne, Andrea, Glen.
 
2012-11-25 09:56:02 PM
So, is Milton even really a scientist?
 
2012-11-25 09:56:11 PM
Who is screen capping naked Maggie??
 
2012-11-25 09:56:32 PM
MAGGIE YOU MORON
 
2012-11-25 09:56:43 PM
Chicks can't ever keep secrets!
 
2012-11-25 09:56:58 PM
Maggie is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo farking sexy when she's half naked and crying.
 
2012-11-25 09:57:29 PM
yap yap yap. always yapping.
 
2012-11-25 09:57:38 PM

The Gentleman Caller: MAGGIE YOU MORON


This is all so that Michonne and Rick can kick Merle's and the Governor's asses.
 
2012-11-25 09:57:59 PM

Tencolin: So, is Milton even really a scientist?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-25 09:58:02 PM
THis end music is pretty farking cool...
 
2012-11-25 09:58:06 PM
Now they're coming for you, gov.
 
2012-11-25 09:58:18 PM
i hope they burn that place to the ground
 
2012-11-25 09:58:53 PM
Andrea, you dork
 
2012-11-25 09:59:27 PM
shiat is about to go down.
 
2012-11-25 09:59:29 PM
What are they running all the generators on anyhow to produce that much electricity?
 
2012-11-25 09:59:30 PM
She's double-agenting by farking the gov.
 
2012-11-25 09:59:42 PM
"Take off your shirt."
 
2012-11-25 10:00:30 PM
Goddammit! This show could go for 2 hours and it wouldn't be enough.
 
2012-11-25 10:01:08 PM

D2theMcV: "Take off your shirt."


no
 
2012-11-25 10:01:10 PM
Daryl needs to kill Merle. Thematically it's the way to go.
 
2012-11-25 10:01:12 PM
Next week is the mid season finale? FARK!
 
2012-11-25 10:01:20 PM
Nooooooooooooo!
 
2012-11-25 10:01:24 PM
Next week is going to rock.
 
2012-11-25 10:01:32 PM
SEASON FANALE??? ALREADY??? WHAT THE HECK!!
 
2012-11-25 10:01:34 PM
Andrea, i hope you redeem yourself and shoot the governor in the leg and feed him to the zombies
 
2012-11-25 10:01:47 PM
I have to be up in 8 hours. Night all!!
 
2012-11-25 10:02:19 PM

Tencolin: So, is Milton even really a scientist?


Batman's a scientist.
 
2012-11-25 10:02:25 PM

Methadone Girls: SEASON FANALE??? ALREADY??? WHAT THE HECK!!


MID season finale.
 
2012-11-25 10:02:45 PM
Extreme Cougar Wives is now starting on TLC for those looking for something else to watch tonight.
 
2012-11-25 10:05:38 PM

geom_00: Methadone Girls: SEASON FANALE??? ALREADY??? WHAT THE HECK!!

MID season finale.


...which is, coincidentally enough, what AMC calls really short seasons.
 
2012-11-25 10:05:57 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Maggie is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo farking sexy when she's half naked and crying.


She squealed. Stupid biatch. No more sympathy for her.
 
2012-11-25 10:06:52 PM

geom_00: Methadone Girls: SEASON FANALE??? ALREADY??? WHAT THE HECK!!

MID season finale.


Okay. Phew. I almost lost it there...
 
2012-11-25 10:08:06 PM

that bosnian sniper: geom_00: Methadone Girls: SEASON FANALE??? ALREADY??? WHAT THE HECK!!

MID season finale.

...which is, coincidentally enough, what AMC calls really short seasons.


I'm going to have a hard time for the next couple of weeks. I'd better stock up on wine.
 
2012-11-25 10:08:49 PM

Mugato: Daryl needs to kill Merle. Thematically it's the way to go.


Or they could bring him back into the group. He could try to sabotage their efforts, and try to get them killed, and every week they could foil his plans. Like Dr. Smith, from Lost in Space!

/No, I think you're right, and there's only one way to go.
 
2012-11-25 10:08:52 PM
OK, who's up for watching it again!?!?
 
2012-11-25 10:08:58 PM
How long of a break do they take between the first half and the second half?
 
2012-11-25 10:09:15 PM
memecreator.net

meh. needed more legitimate rape with merle making glenn squeal like a pig.

sooeee sooeee sooeee
 
2012-11-25 10:09:40 PM
Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.
 
2012-11-25 10:09:55 PM
If you're looking for some Walking Dead goodness, pick up Tell Tale's game if you haven't. The characters, storyline, and voice acting is all top notch. I'm about to start my second play through in order to see what different decisions lead to in the end.
 
2012-11-25 10:10:24 PM

SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.


Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle
 
2012-11-25 10:11:46 PM

Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle


well, merle is awful....handy
 
2012-11-25 10:11:49 PM

D2theMcV: OK, who's up for watching it again!?!?


I missed the first 20 minutes or so so sure.
 
2012-11-25 10:12:00 PM

Methadone Girls: I'm going to have a hard time for the next couple of weeks. I'd better stock up on wine.


Wait, there's not going to be a nine-month "hiatus" between "half seasons"?
 
2012-11-25 10:12:00 PM
I did like that the Gov'na used the same phrase to calm down Andrea that he sadistically used to taunt Glenn and torture Maggie.
 
2012-11-25 10:12:07 PM

Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle


In the confusion she probably doesn't recognize them. Just shooting at random targets.
 
2012-11-25 10:13:00 PM

Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle


I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.
 
2012-11-25 10:13:53 PM

Tencolin: If you're looking for some Walking Dead goodness, pick up Tell Tale's game if you haven't. The characters, storyline, and voice acting is all top notch. I'm about to start my second play through in order to see what different decisions lead to in the end.


Is it as good as the Walking Dead Facebook game?
 
2012-11-25 10:14:35 PM

that bosnian sniper: Methadone Girls: I'm going to have a hard time for the next couple of weeks. I'd better stock up on wine.

Wait, there's not going to be a nine-month "hiatus" between "half seasons"?


January, apparently.

Next week is also the Winter Finale for Once Upon a Time.

/Christmas Break between "seasons"?
 
2012-11-25 10:14:36 PM

D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.


Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.
 
2012-11-25 10:15:46 PM

HempHead: Tencolin: If you're looking for some Walking Dead goodness, pick up Tell Tale's game if you haven't. The characters, storyline, and voice acting is all top notch. I'm about to start my second play through in order to see what different decisions lead to in the end.

Is it as good as the Walking Dead Facebook game?


Seriously? Don't tell me the FB game is any good! I really don't want to start playing FB games again!

/Dammit!
//I'm totally gonna start playing it, aren't I?
 
2012-11-25 10:16:41 PM

SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.


My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.
 
2012-11-25 10:20:21 PM

SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.


I could see that happening, too. I just meant as compared to Merle, who does have a bit of a legitimate ax to grind. Although he's the type of guy that if they did to him what they did to Andrea--no matter how unintentional--he would still see it as a vile affront to his person.
 
2012-11-25 10:21:18 PM
My wife just made a really good point: There hasn't been a lot of emotional connection with Ass-kicker these past couple of episodes...are they setting the baby up to die?
 
2012-11-25 10:22:12 PM

HempHead: Is it as good as the Walking Dead Facebook game?


I've never played the facebook game, but the ads seem to indicate it's all about killing walkers. The TellTale game is more of a choose-your-own adventure book with quicktime events, and there are huge chunks that are zombie-free.
 
2012-11-25 10:22:30 PM
Since the football game sucks i just watched this episode. I was expecting more rape. But almost naked Maggie made up for that. Just an awesome episode. Plus the Lassie joke was great
 
2012-11-25 10:22:47 PM

born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.


I think at the last minute she discovers Glenn and Maggie being held prisoner, and switches sides.
 
2012-11-25 10:24:28 PM

born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.


Her shirt has a 5 on it. Rick has killed 4 people so far...
 
2012-11-25 10:25:36 PM

eagles95: Since the football game sucks i just watched this episode. I was expecting more rape. But almost naked Maggie made up for that. Just an awesome episode. Plus the Lassie joke was great


Wow! I just switched over to the game! Remember when Green Bay was awesome? Remember when the Giants sucked? That was so long ago. Like, a week or two ago!
 
2012-11-25 10:25:55 PM

titwrench: born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.

Her shirt has a 5 on it. Rick has killed 4 people so far...


Should her shirt just be colored red for the most obvious?
 
2012-11-25 10:25:57 PM

kumanoki: My wife just made a really good point: There hasn't been a lot of emotional connection with Ass-kicker these past couple of episodes...are they setting the baby up to die?


are there rules in tv about how to kill a baby zombie?
 
2012-11-25 10:27:03 PM
When are Rick and his gang going to find the different Dharma stations scattered around the island?
 
2012-11-25 10:27:17 PM

titwrench: born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.

Her shirt has a 5 on it. Rick has killed 4 people so far...


Of course, the silver lining is that Rick killing Andrea for killing Two-Dog is validation that Two-Dog has been accepted by the group!
 
2012-11-25 10:28:53 PM

D2theMcV: eagles95: Since the football game sucks i just watched this episode. I was expecting more rape. But almost naked Maggie made up for that. Just an awesome episode. Plus the Lassie joke was great

Wow! I just switched over to the game! Remember when Green Bay was awesome? Remember when the Giants sucked? That was so long ago. Like, a week or two ago!


exactly.....oh well...at least Talking Dead should be interesting tonight going into next week's mid season finale
 
2012-11-25 10:29:41 PM
By the way, I highly recommend the Telltale Games Walking Dead episodes. They're 400 points each on XBLA, so a grand total of 20.00. The game mechanics are nothing new, but the writing, the voice acting...superb. Living with the consequences of your actions is a major theme. Your group holds you accountable for the decisions you make throughout the entire game, and these aren't your standard good/bad choices. The 'right' answer is ambiguous, up for debate...and you have to stay alive.
No joke, it's a strong dark horse contender for GOTY.
 
2012-11-25 10:31:59 PM

Mugato: I tuned in late. What's Jack Tripper doing with the old guy. Is he a zombie?


So what's the deal with this guy?

He lives less than a mile away (they were a mile away when they get out of the car), but the Woodbury folks never stumbled upon him in their patrols?
The dead dog smell keeps the walkers out?

titwrench: born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.

Her shirt has a 5 on it. Rick has killed 4 people so far...


Does she kill two-dog because he is a random attacker she doesn't recognize, or does she kill him after she specifically recognizes him as part of the Ricktatorship? 

What's going to happen with Merle?
Governor will find out Michonne is alive.
Governor now knows (or at least suspects) that someone was able to do what Merle said was impossible (take over the prison).
 
2012-11-25 10:36:03 PM

RogermcAllen: Does she kill two-dog because he is a random attacker she doesn't recognize, or does she kill him after she specifically recognizes him as part of the Ricktatorship?


In my opinion, the short trailer indicated that she recognized who was attacking, but I may be reading too much into it.

Governor now knows (or at least suspects) that someone was able to do what Merle said was impossible (take over the prison).

And he seemed scared that a group of ten people could do it. That's not a good sign regarding relations between the two groups.
 
2012-11-25 10:39:09 PM

born_yesterday: RogermcAllen: Does she kill two-dog because he is a random attacker she doesn't recognize, or does she kill him after she specifically recognizes him as part of the Ricktatorship?

In my opinion, the short trailer indicated that she recognized who was attacking, but I may be reading too much into it.

Governor now knows (or at least suspects) that someone was able to do what Merle said was impossible (take over the prison).

And he seemed scared that a group of ten people could do it. That's not a good sign regarding relations between the two groups.


That's not a good sign for Merle! The Gov is gonna realize Merle may not have always been truthful.
 
2012-11-25 10:39:34 PM
Oh shiat, Maggie is about to get governed.
 
2012-11-25 10:43:39 PM
AMC better not pull a stunt similar to Breaking Bad and have the last half of the season start up next October.
 
2012-11-25 10:47:17 PM
How come axel isn't with them? He said he'd go. At least verbalize that he should stay behind.
 
2012-11-25 10:48:22 PM

Gigantos: AMC better not pull a stunt similar to Breaking Bad and have the last half of the season start up next October.


They started the last half of Season 2 of TWD the week after the Superbowl.
 
2012-11-25 10:52:33 PM

born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.


That is hideous, but very likely. I'm guessing she is given the option of killing Rick and Guvner, and we won't find out who she shoots until next seasonsection.

It is gonna be a barn burner, that's for sure.
 
2012-11-25 10:53:23 PM

WienerButt: How come axel isn't with them? He said he'd go. At least verbalize that he should stay behind.


No, I get the feeling we're going to see a fox in the henhouse sort of thing with him. I dunno. Maybe it didn't need to be verbalized since it became apparent he wasn't on the away team.
 
2012-11-25 10:54:54 PM

kumanoki: WienerButt: How come axel isn't with them? He said he'd go. At least verbalize that he should stay behind.

No, I get the feeling we're going to see a fox in the henhouse sort of thing with him. I dunno. Maybe it didn't need to be verbalized since it became apparent he wasn't on the away team.


He gets a bit too close pervy with Beth and Carl kills him.
 
2012-11-25 10:55:18 PM
Milton Mammoth covered his crotch with his printout after being lunged at, it is very likely that he peed himself.
 
2012-11-25 10:55:39 PM

kumanoki: Gigantos: AMC better not pull a stunt similar to Breaking Bad and have the last half of the season start up next October.

They started the last half of Season 2 of TWD the week after the Superbowl.


i would hope all the money TWD is bringing in, they wont be so damn cheap with the show's budget
 
2012-11-25 10:56:05 PM
Andrea sure has a great ass.
 
2012-11-25 10:57:15 PM

RogermcAllen: What's going to happen with Merle?


Merle is going to chop off Rick's hand to get revenge.
 
2012-11-25 11:00:04 PM

IronTom: born_yesterday: SithLord: D2theMcV: Methadone Girls: SithLord: Looking at next week's preview, Andrea is taking a gun and shooting at Rick's group. They left her for dead so she's going to be pretty pissed off with them.

Andrea would forgive them faster than Merle

I think Andrea realizes how the situation went down, and how they weren't specifically abandoning her. So I think she'd definitely forgive them, and even join back up.

Who knows. Maybe the Governor's so up in her head and cooch that she'll do whatever he says.

My guess is, she kills Two-Dog, showing she's turned to the Governor's side, and is killed by Rick.

That is hideous, but very likely. I'm guessing she is given the option of killing Rick and Guvner, and we won't find out who she shoots until next seasonsection.

It is gonna be a barn burner, that's for sure.


Agreed. But what I project is that Rick's group manage to break in, find Maggie and Glenn, but get caught in a firefight. Andrea sees Rick and somehow he gets captured. They'll leave the cliffhanger on Merle and Darryl meeting again, at stub-to-arrow point.
 
2012-11-25 11:00:41 PM
Time for CM PUNK on Talking Dead


/FWC
 
2012-11-25 11:01:31 PM
www.freewebs.com
 
2012-11-25 11:03:31 PM
Yeah, I wish this show was on pay cable. Homeland delivered the boobs, er, goods this week. AMC needs to get off their moral high horse. They showed Rick turning a dude into zombie chum, head stabbing, and brutal torture, but if they show one tit, the sponsors will up and abandon one of the highest rated shows in cable history. Right.
 
2012-11-25 11:04:06 PM
It's a conscensus: Maggie-rape would have been a deal breaker.
 
2012-11-25 11:04:07 PM
Why is Hardwick wearing a little boy's suit? Jesus, get a proper fitting, dude.
 
2012-11-25 11:05:14 PM

eagles95: Time for CM PUNK on Talking Dead


/FWC


www.myjourneytowrestlemania.com
 
2012-11-25 11:07:26 PM
Chill out, ye paranoid hermits...
 
2012-11-25 11:11:04 PM
Michonne needs to work on her communication skills, if she wants to be an "alpha".
 
2012-11-25 11:12:09 PM

IronTom: Chill out, ye paranoid hermits...


No.
We saw what happened this week to a paranoid hermit.
 
2012-11-25 11:14:45 PM

HempHead: eagles95: Time for CM PUNK on Talking Dead


/FWC

[www.myjourneytowrestlemania.com image 540x302]


he's already achieved legendary status 15min into Talking Dead. He needs to be on every episode
 
2012-11-25 11:18:00 PM
So just remember, never get yourself taken during the zombie apocalypse. Surrendering is never a good option.
 
2012-11-25 11:18:50 PM
Really glad to hear Maggie wasn't raped and they didn't show her naked in those conditions. I couldn't watch the episode otherwise. I would have stopped and sent angry letters. Totally fine with nudity, but didn't want to see that for Maggie when it's forced. Zombie guts and blood are not that disturbing.
 
2012-11-25 11:22:11 PM
Supposey Norman Reedus likes the sound of guns in the woods. *insert perverted joke here* badap bump
 
2012-11-25 11:34:03 PM
michonne finds the governor's walker daughter?? is it next sunday yet? rumor has it a certain comic book character is supposed to be in next weeks show.. former football player, packs a hammer...
 
2012-11-25 11:42:04 PM

kumanoki: By the way, I highly recommend the Telltale Games Walking Dead episodes. They're 400 points each on XBLA, so a grand total of 20.00. The game mechanics are nothing new, but the writing, the voice acting...superb. Living with the consequences of your actions is a major theme. Your group holds you accountable for the decisions you make throughout the entire game, and these aren't your standard good/bad choices. The 'right' answer is ambiguous, up for debate...and you have to stay alive.
No joke, it's a strong dark horse contender for GOTY.


I love the game but it's not as ground-breaking as some people think. There are really no real consequences for the decisions you make, the main storyline is the same no matter what you do. Still, I highly recommend it as a good story through an interesting medium.
 
2012-11-25 11:43:28 PM

Methadone Girls: SEASON FANALE??? ALREADY??? WHAT THE HECK!!


MID SEASON

back in Jan
 
2012-11-25 11:48:34 PM

AutumnWind: Really glad to hear Maggie wasn't raped and they didn't show her naked in those conditions. I couldn't watch the episode otherwise. I would have stopped and sent angry letters. Totally fine with nudity, but didn't want to see that for Maggie when it's forced. Zombie guts and blood are not that disturbing.


I will never get that. The show depicts multiple murderers as acceptable heroes, violence galore, of the domestic variety even on occasion. Matricide, sure. But one rape and people tweek out?
 
2012-11-25 11:49:08 PM

kumanoki: My wife just made a really good point: There hasn't been a lot of emotional connection with Ass-kicker these past couple of episodes...are they setting the baby up to die?


Good point. But if they skipped over the rape thing then it's a good bet that they'll soften whatever happens to the baby. Then again, Sophia.
 
2012-11-25 11:49:48 PM

Rhames: [pixeldripgallery.com image 850x476]


Dont Fark with Carl!


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-25 11:55:55 PM

kumanoki: IronTom: Chill out, ye paranoid hermits...

No.
We saw what happened this week to a paranoid hermit.


I'd love to know the story behind that hermit. How the fark did he survive out there on his own for so long? Did he even know a zombie apocalypse was going on? Strange that he threatened to call the cops.
 
2012-11-26 12:00:03 AM
Was that black guy at the very end with the bow Dennis "Cutty" Wise from The Wire?
 
2012-11-26 12:00:12 AM

kumanoki: Gigantos: AMC better not pull a stunt similar to Breaking Bad and have the last half of the season start up next October.

They started the last half of Season 2 of TWD the week after the Superbowl.


I think after that season their reasoning was "TWD isn't really very Christmas-y" and gore over the holidays didn't test well.
 
2012-11-26 12:03:23 AM

rpkteg: Was that black guy at the very end with the bow Dennis "Cutty" Wise from The Wire?


yes, yes it was. chad coleman was the dude from the wire.. who also happens to play the character from the comic making his first appearance in the next episode.
 
2012-11-26 12:06:18 AM

rpkteg: Was that black guy at the very end with the bow Dennis "Cutty" Wise from The Wire?


Whoa good eyes. Yes that is him, and yes he'll be playing one of my favorite characters from the comics.
 
2012-11-26 12:45:18 AM

buffalosoldier: AutumnWind: Really glad to hear Maggie wasn't raped and they didn't show her naked in those conditions. I couldn't watch the episode otherwise. I would have stopped and sent angry letters. Totally fine with nudity, but didn't want to see that for Maggie when it's forced. Zombie guts and blood are not that disturbing.

I will never get that. The show depicts multiple murderers as acceptable heroes, violence galore, of the domestic variety even on occasion. Matricide, sure. But one rape and people tweek out?


I've mentioned this in a TWD thread before, but there is a distinct difference between wanton violence and sexual assault and torture. Most times the show spends more than a couple seconds on a death it's for emotional payoff as with Lori's death (which you don't see). Skip talking about the would-be rape, did you notice how they didn't spend much time depicting the violence against Glenn? Sure, Merl punched him a couple times, but it doesn't show Glenn getting beaten to a pulp, you just hear it. Same with Shane beating up Carol's husband and Merl's arm. Ultimately, yes there's definitely a lot of violence in TWD, but it's not exactly any that's drawn out enough to have the same effect as a rape scene would. Do you think American viewers would be able to handle the violence of say Ichi the Killer with the same due regard as TWD?

On the same point, it would play in to the overall narrative if it had actually happened because the Governor is an evil fark-head. It still makes sense with Maggie ratting out the group when the Governor threatened Glenn's life even though both characters had been through worse than any in that entire town minus Andrea.
 
2012-11-26 12:46:24 AM

Tencolin: If you're looking for some Walking Dead goodness, pick up Tell Tale's game if you haven't. The characters, storyline, and voice acting is all top notch. I'm about to start my second play through in order to see what different decisions lead to in the end.


..... (doesn't have the heart to say) ....
 
2012-11-26 12:48:46 AM

eagles95: kumanoki: Gigantos: AMC better not pull a stunt similar to Breaking Bad and have the last half of the season start up next October.

They started the last half of Season 2 of TWD the week after the Superbowl.

i would hope all the money TWD is bringing in, they wont be so damn cheap with the show's budget


AMC gives it to Mad Men.
 
2012-11-26 12:52:21 AM

buffalosoldier: AutumnWind: Really glad to hear Maggie wasn't raped and they didn't show her naked in those conditions. I couldn't watch the episode otherwise. I would have stopped and sent angry letters. Totally fine with nudity, but didn't want to see that for Maggie when it's forced. Zombie guts and blood are not that disturbing.

I will never get that. The show depicts multiple murderers as acceptable heroes, violence galore, of the domestic variety even on occasion. Matricide, sure. But one rape and people tweek out?


Especially since... the same consideration was not given for Michonne. The number of threads out in internet land talking about 'I sure hope they don't show Michonne getting rape' were practically non-existent. The number of threads rubbing hands with glee about how possibly graphic Michonne's rape was going to be, however, ....


but white girl could be raped? It's just too 'Shaka Zulu shows black tits but obscures white tits'
 
2012-11-26 12:53:29 AM

The Banana Thug: kumanoki: IronTom: Chill out, ye paranoid hermits...

No.
We saw what happened this week to a paranoid hermit.

I'd love to know the story behind that hermit. How the fark did he survive out there on his own for so long? Did he even know a zombie apocalypse was going on? Strange that he threatened to call the cops.


Will that be revisited? or just forgotten?
 
2012-11-26 12:54:19 AM

imnotthefiveo: rpkteg: Was that black guy at the very end with the bow Dennis "Cutty" Wise from The Wire?

yes, yes it was. chad coleman was the dude from the wire.. who also happens to play the character from the comic making his first appearance in the next episode.


So it is true that Andrea kills Oscar next week, keeping the One N@gg@ Rule intact?
 
2012-11-26 01:18:24 AM

The Banana Thug: rpkteg: Was that black guy at the very end with the bow Dennis "Cutty" Wise from The Wire?

Whoa good eyes. Yes that is him, and yes he'll be playing one of my favorite characters from the comics.


shiat's gonna get real on TV next weekend. Speaking of shows with actors from The Wire, did anyone feel a little weird cheering for the person who showed up at the end of Boardwalk Empire to save the day? It's not exactly someone who you're used to thinking of as the cavalry, and the writers managed to turn it into a fark yeah moment when he shows up to help out Nucky.
 
2012-11-26 01:20:21 AM
The next episode is the mid-season finale!? Mid-season finales should not exist, dammit. Get on with it.
 
2012-11-26 01:31:13 AM
This episode brought up one of my biggest little questions about this series: where are all the dogs?
Well trained dogs would be invaluable! My dog alerts when necessary, but shuts up immediately on command. My dog is not aggressive (so he wouldn't just attack zombies and would come when called), does what he is told and tells me when my space is being invaded. He would be a huge help in a zombie apocalypse. Humans have been using dogs for survival and stuff for two hundred and fifty thousand years (according to DNA evidence, much less according to archeological evidence), you would think that they would be valuable in this scenario.
Where are all the dogs?
 
2012-11-26 01:41:28 AM
Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.
 
2012-11-26 01:48:09 AM

Mad_Radhu: hubiestubert: How sad is it, that the video game had a deeper plot and more involved characters?

My daughter got me to download the game, and while the gameplay was basic, the plot and characters had me hooked. And for the most part, the characters in the game were at least consistent...

SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 1 OF THE GAME

Did anyone else decide to let Carley die because she was simply too stupid to let live? She was a good shot and all, but the scene where she couldn't figure out that you needed batteries for a radio to work, followed up by her putting the batteries in backwards when you gave her some pretty much sealed her fate for me. I just decided that she was a liability.

Not to mention that being a good shot doesn't help all that much because the shots will draw more walkers than going in with an axe or screwdriver, and eventually you are going to run out of ammo. I just figured that Doug was the better choice to save, but apparently only 29% of people agree.

/Haven't played the other episodes yet, so I don't know if saving Doug instead will work out or not.


I just didn't save her because she had a damn gun and all Doug had was Beiber hair.
 
2012-11-26 01:49:25 AM
I would think if I had a yappy dog in the zombie apocalypse I'd probably have to put a bullet in it eventually.

/same thing with a crying baby.
 
2012-11-26 01:53:23 AM

buffalosoldier: Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.


I guess I missed those. Still not as prevalent as I would expect.

Max Awesome: I would think if I had a yappy dog in the zombie apocalypse I'd probably have to put a bullet in it eventually.

/same thing with a crying baby.


My dog is far from yappy.
 
2012-11-26 01:55:38 AM

Gonzee: buffalosoldier: Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.

I guess I missed those. Still not as prevalent as I would expect.

Max Awesome: I would think if I had a yappy dog in the zombie apocalypse I'd probably have to put a bullet in it eventually.

/same thing with a crying baby.

My dog is far from yappy.


Yeah, but your kid....
 
2012-11-26 01:57:21 AM

Gonzee: This episode brought up one of my biggest little questions about this series: where are all the dogs?



chilling on shows where the parent channel is not as cheap as AMC when it comes to opening the purse strings for animal trainers.

/stolen from someone else
//but it's as good an explanation I've heard, regarding that
 
2012-11-26 02:05:16 AM

buffalosoldier: Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.


- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Mazzara era Season three, after budget cuts

Like others, I don't even remember the golden retriever.

What I don't get is, how are we supposed to believe that zombies are fast enough to chase and eat dogs and cats? it's like how single zombies are allegedly able to chase down deer. Come on, now. Zombies are single-minded right up until they're distracted by the next shiny thing or loud noise, in this show. And what happened to all the alleged killer dogs? Feral dog pack versus Atlanta horde... take the dogs.

But, eh, AMC is cheap.
 
2012-11-26 02:12:59 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Feral dog pack versus Atlanta horde... take the dogs.


Nobody's going to watch The Walking Dogs.
 
2012-11-26 02:15:36 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: buffalosoldier: Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.

- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Mazzara era Season three, after budget cuts

Like others, I don't even remember the golden retriever.

What I don't get is, how are we supposed to believe that zombies are fast enough to chase and eat dogs and cats? it's like how single zombies are allegedly able to chase down deer. Come on, now. Zombies are single-minded right up until they're distracted by the next shiny thing or loud noise, in this show. And what happened to all the alleged killer dogs? Feral dog pack versus Atlanta horde... take the dogs.

But, eh, AMC is cheap.


That and plus you can't display a pack of dogs without opening a huge pandora's box of issues. The last thing you want is even the rumor of negative treatment with regards to animals. As a huge Falcons fan once told me "Dogs are the new white women, you just don't fark with em"
 
2012-11-26 02:20:04 AM
No way to survive fast zombie dogs without getting bitten. They would horde up and you would be farked.
But I can't see the zombies catching dogs the way they are depicted.
Just one of my WTF questions. No biggie.
 
2012-11-26 02:20:44 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: buffalosoldier: Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.

- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Mazzara era Season three, after budget cuts

Like others, I don't even remember the golden retriever.

What I don't get is, how are we supposed to believe that zombies are fast enough to chase and eat dogs and cats? it's like how single zombies are allegedly able to chase down deer. Come on, now. Zombies are single-minded right up until they're distracted by the next shiny thing or loud noise, in this show. And what happened to all the alleged killer dogs? Feral dog pack versus Atlanta horde... take the dogs.

But, eh, AMC is cheap.


A big question is what happens when an animal bites a walker. It could be that the zombie flesh is poisonous to dogs, so the aggressive feral dogs may have died when they attacked the walkers and bit into the zombies. The usefulness of dogs also depends on how they handle a zombie filled world, like the dog chapter in World War Z detailed. Would they be useful in detecting people who are bitten and are hiding it, or would the constant scent of the dead basically make them go so apeshiat that they would be useless for most jobs? Could you train puppies that were more used to the scent of the walkers to be more useful? WWZ does veer a bit into survival porn, but I did enjoy the worldbuilding that was done in exploring questions like this.
 
2012-11-26 02:38:04 AM
Just finished watching: damn I have a serious lump in my stomach.

Anyone else notice the first shot of the Woodbury guard on the wall? His rifle barrel seemed REALLY bent.

The Governor actually seems scared. I'm actually kinda hoping for a wholesale slaughter of everyone in the town. Does that make me a bad person?
 
2012-11-26 02:55:15 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Feral dog pack versus Atlanta horde... take the dogs.

Nobody's going to watch The Walking Dogs.


I would assume zombie flesh is toxic. So either the dogs realize this and avoid them or they tried to eat them and died.


WienerButt: How come axel isn't with them? He said he'd go. At least verbalize that he should stay behind.


Yeah, I was kinda wondering how they were going to fit 5 people and all that gear into the Hyundai.
 
2012-11-26 03:05:27 AM

Gonzee:
My dog is far from yappy.


Your dog sounds like a prince (princess?), but there are a ton of airhead dogs out there who bark endlessly at everything. Little furry dinner-bells, drawing zombies' attention for miles around.

Big scary barking dogs can be intimidating and have been man's best-friend/perimeter-alarm for centuries, but in a zombie apocalypse their instinct to bark at any intruder would be a MASSIVE liability.

Hence, there's not a lot of dogs left alive in the Walking Dead.
 
2012-11-26 03:28:51 AM

IronTom: /Hope walkers can;t bite through duct tape


They can't. We've seen this demonstrated twice this season (once with Milton and once with Glenn tonight). I expect to see everyone sporting duct tape sleeves in the future.

And watching the "In Memoriam" segment on TD I just noticed how when Glenn killed the walker with the chair arm it came out its eye socket and the eyeball dangled off the end. Nice touch.
 
2012-11-26 03:35:20 AM
Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.
 
2012-11-26 03:44:22 AM

fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.


Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?
 
2012-11-26 03:49:19 AM

MagSeven: fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.

Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?


I think she's just realizing how very little the fortress she rolled in to really knows about the zombies and she's playing innocent until she can use that to her advantage.

SO more of a thoughtful, selfish asshole.
 
2012-11-26 04:03:56 AM

Summoner101: MagSeven: fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.

Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?

I think she's just realizing how very little the fortress she rolled in to really knows about the zombies and she's playing innocent until she can use that to her advantage.

SO more of a thoughtful, selfish asshole.


That would be pretty cool if you turn out to be right. I've never given her that much credit though.
 
2012-11-26 04:08:08 AM

MagSeven: Summoner101: MagSeven: fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.

Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?

I think she's just realizing how very little the fortress she rolled in to really knows about the zombies and she's playing innocent until she can use that to her advantage.

SO more of a thoughtful, selfish asshole.

That would be pretty cool if you turn out to be right. I've never given her that much credit though.


I think it's probably more likely the writers just forgot.
 
2012-11-26 04:27:33 AM

fusillade762: MagSeven: Summoner101: MagSeven: fusillade762: Oh, and why hasn't Andrea mentioned what she learned at the CDC to Milton? Seems like the brain scan she watched of Jenner's wife would be pretty convincing evidence that there's nothing left. If he isn't already convinced after his little experiment, that is.

Because she is a thoughtless, selfish asshole?

I think she's just realizing how very little the fortress she rolled in to really knows about the zombies and she's playing innocent until she can use that to her advantage.

SO more of a thoughtful, selfish asshole.

That would be pretty cool if you turn out to be right. I've never given her that much credit though.

I think it's probably more likely the writers just forgot.


Yea or that. They do seem to put her in situations where her experience on the road is vastly superior to the knowledge of the camp yet she more or less stays quiet about correcting them.
 
2012-11-26 06:48:22 AM

fusillade762: I think it's probably more likely the writers just forgot.


They must have LOST that previous plot point.

I haven't read the comics, so I can't compare, but I think they're setting up the Governor to be more of a bullshiat artist than paramilitary badass in the show.

But I'm not sure. One minute, he's taking out a platoon of Guardsmen without losing a single man, or suffering a single casualty. The next, he's got a crossbowman on the wall that can't shoot for shiat, and his inner circle seems pretty limited to 3-5 guys, two of which died last week.

And unless anyone would like to argue that Rick and the gang are going to live happily-ever-after at Woodbury, I think that group of townspeople is farked once Rick kills what's left of their defense force.
 
2012-11-26 07:12:27 AM

born_yesterday: fusillade762: I think it's probably more likely the writers just forgot.

They must have LOST that previous plot point.

I haven't read the comics, so I can't compare, but I think they're setting up the Governor to be more of a bullshiat artist than paramilitary badass in the show.

But I'm not sure. One minute, he's taking out a platoon of Guardsmen without losing a single man, or suffering a single casualty. The next, he's got a crossbowman on the wall that can't shoot for shiat, and his inner circle seems pretty limited to 3-5 guys, two of which died last week.

And unless anyone would like to argue that Rick and the gang are going to live happily-ever-after at Woodbury, I think that group of townspeople is farked once Rick kills what's left of their defense force.


I thought everything archer girl said was a lie. Would it stand to reason that she was also lying about her skills with the bow? I mean, like others have said elsewhere, it's possible she was missing on purpose.

As for the Guv being a bullshiat artist, well.. yeah.

/Andrea, what the fk is wrong with you??!!
 
2012-11-26 07:14:31 AM

Gonzee: No way to survive fast zombie dogs without getting bitten. They would horde up and you would be farked.
But I can't see the zombies catching dogs the way they are depicted.
Just one of my WTF questions. No biggie.


Even the Vatos puppies could escape from zombies.

Mad_Radhu: A big question is what happens when an animal bites a walker. It could be that the zombie flesh is poisonous to dogs, so the aggressive feral dogs may have died when they attacked the walkers and bit into the zombies. The usefulness of dogs also depends on how they handle a zombie filled world, like the dog chapter in World War Z detailed. Would they be useful in detecting people who are bitten and are hiding it, or would the constant scent of the dead basically make them go so apeshiat that they would be useless for most jobs? Could you train puppies that were more used to the scent of the walkers to be more useful? WWZ does veer a bit into survival porn, but I did enjoy the worldbuilding that was done in exploring questions like this.


Now I has a major sad about the WWZ movie that will never be :(
 
2012-11-26 07:20:14 AM

born_yesterday: And unless anyone would like to argue that Rick and the gang are going to live happily-ever-after at Woodbury, I think that group of townspeople is farked once Rick kills what's left of their defense force.


Agreed. However farked up the Gov might be he's kept those people safe. And they've accepted his protection.

They're all going to die.

The degree to which Rick feels responsible for that will be the question.
 
2012-11-26 08:16:34 AM

fusillade762: Just finished watching: damn I have a serious lump in my stomach.

Anyone else notice the first shot of the Woodbury guard on the wall? His rifle barrel seemed REALLY bent.

The Governor actually seems scared. I'm actually kinda hoping for a wholesale slaughter of everyone in the town. Does that make me a bad person?


I noticed the bent barrel too!
 
2012-11-26 08:44:40 AM
How else are you going to shoot around corners? Jeez guys.
 
2012-11-26 09:12:02 AM
I really, really, really wanted to like this show, but it seems to be going in the wrong direction.

The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

One grief stricken Rick cleared out half the place in a fit of anger. Killing walkers should be a non-issue at this point. And, these people have managed to clear out/defend their town, which is going to be significantly more difficult than the prison. The prison is pretty secure, with lots of locking cells and doors and wings. But a town? That's just open. They had to build walls. Not just build walls, they've also managed to do a significant amount of infrastructure work (all of the water lines and electricity provided via the generators). They've done significantly better than the group in the prison - so why are they impressed?

Not only did they handle the walkers, they've been killing *people*. People are infinitely more dangerous than walkers.
 
2012-11-26 09:12:36 AM
Chandler Riggs is sitting at the kids table at the Emmy's, Golden Globes, etc, talking to the other child actors.....

So you got to be on Disney/Nickelodeon and starred on The Suite Life of That's So Carly having wacky hijinks and outsmarting your parents, teachers and all the adults? That's nice. I'm on TWD and I get to shoot a gun, kill zombies and my mother.

The governor and his henchthugs being impressed by Rick and the Gang cleaning out the prison. Is it really that amazing? When you think about it, a prison is the perfect place to clean out and live. Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you. As long as you don't have some yahoo opening them up behind you it's all good.

The more I think about it, I can see Rick and his team "easily" taking out Woodbury. Everybody in the prison is trained in zombie combat. They've been battle tested and all. Most of the citizens of Woodbury are too removed from the day to day interactions with Walkers to be able to handle them.

Why did the governor have Andrea chaperone Milton and Mr. Coleman? Was it a test or something more?
 
2012-11-26 09:14:34 AM

You Are All Sheep: How else are you going to shoot around corners? Jeez guys.


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2012-11-26 09:31:02 AM
I didn't notice the bent barrel, but I'll keep an eye out for it. What kind of moron would fire a gun that will blow up in his face?

Fark_Guy_Rob: I really, really, really wanted to like this show, but it seems to be going in the wrong direction.

The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

One grief stricken Rick cleared out half the place in a fit of anger. Killing walkers should be a non-issue at this point. And, these people have managed to clear out/defend their town, which is going to be significantly more difficult than the prison. The prison is pretty secure, with lots of locking cells and doors and wings. But a town? That's just open. They had to build walls. Not just build walls, they've also managed to do a significant amount of infrastructure work (all of the water lines and electricity provided via the generators). They've done significantly better than the group in the prison - so why are they impressed?

Not only did they handle the walkers, they've been killing *people*. People are infinitely more dangerous than walkers.


Yeah, I'm hoping the writers don't shiat themselves on this one, trying to make the Gov. appear menacing, but giving the impression of far too much military skill. Maybe it could be argued that they took the Guardsmen by surprise, but they seemed pretty ready for action when the Governor showed up, he should have lost at least a redshirt or four to make it believable (or gotten shot while wearing a vest).

Maybe the Governor hasn't seen the prison, but trusted Merle, who probably wanted to get drunk and hit on high school chicks.
 
2012-11-26 09:32:19 AM
I'll correct myself for the formatting of my post above; I in no way meant to imply that Fark_Guy_Rob was the kind of moran that would fire a rifle with a bent barrel.
 
2012-11-26 09:33:45 AM

BizarreMan: Chandler Riggs is sitting at the kids table at the Emmy's, Golden Globes, etc, talking to the other child actors.....


In half a season, Carl has gone from a meme joke to the level of Adric and alt.startrek.wesley.crusher.die.die.die to.... what? Total-badass? Very happy for the actor and the character.

I'm not sure if I put him in the same category as Kiernan Shirpka, but when they want to put these two in a drama in about 20 years, I'll be there.
 
2012-11-26 09:34:43 AM
Can we just have an hour of Maggie walking around topless?

/The governor isnt all that bad.
 
2012-11-26 09:35:20 AM
Is the Red Zone really a bad place? The prison is supposedly in the middle of it. Could it just be a propaganda piece to keep the Woodburyites in line?
 
2012-11-26 09:38:50 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?


Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.
 
2012-11-26 09:39:19 AM

BizarreMan: Is the Red Zone really a bad place? The prison is supposedly in the middle of it. Could it just be a propaganda piece to keep the Woodburyites in line?


I thought the number of walkers they encountered approaching Woodbury was indicative of how dangerous it was. They characters even commented on it.

Probably a little of both, because the town seemed really deserted.
 
2012-11-26 09:43:20 AM

Broktun: Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.


Maggie told them they had 10 people.
 
2012-11-26 09:53:42 AM

BizarreMan: Broktun: Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Maggie told them they had 10 people.


Does he trust what Maggie would say when Merle said it couldn't be done?
 
2012-11-26 10:14:45 AM

Broktun: BizarreMan: Broktun: Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Maggie told them they had 10 people.

Does he trust what Maggie would say when Merle said it couldn't be done?


Maggie had no reason to lie at that point. I think the Gov is having second thoughts about Merle's capabilities.
 
2012-11-26 10:26:21 AM

born_yesterday: I'll correct myself for the formatting of my post above; I in no way meant to imply that Fark_Guy_Rob was the kind of moran that would fire a rifle with a bent barrel.


For the record, I probably am the kind of moran that would fire a rifle with a bent barrel :)
 
2012-11-26 10:41:30 AM

kumanoki: Broktun: BizarreMan: Broktun: Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Maggie told them they had 10 people.

Does he trust what Maggie would say when Merle said it couldn't be done?

Maggie had no reason to lie at that point. I think the Gov is having second thoughts about Merle's capabilities.


From the previews, it looked like both brothers were having second thoughts about going up against each other.
 
2012-11-26 10:46:55 AM

BizarreMan: Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you.


It's especially easy when you live in a magic prison where none of the doors are electronic and nearly all of them don't lock anyway.

Not that it matters much. In last weeks episode Daryl deliberately chose to move past living walkers in a room with the door actually ajar so he could come back and "kill them later". He did not seem to think getting caught in a crunch between zombies in front and behind was anything to be concerned with.
 
2012-11-26 10:50:53 AM

T.M.S.: BizarreMan: Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you.

It's especially easy when you live in a magic prison where none of the doors are electronic and nearly all of them don't lock anyway.

Not that it matters much. In last weeks episode Daryl deliberately chose to move past living walkers in a room with the door actually ajar so he could come back and "kill them later". He did not seem to think getting caught in a crunch between zombies in front and behind was anything to be concerned with.


He also noticed that they didn't seem to be capable of moving the door much, so maybe he figured whatever was in there was weak enough to not be a threat. And when it came down to it, wasn't that the same room that Carol was found in? Sure, it was lazy writing, and pretty stupid not to cover his back, but I can see why they would have wanted to avoid the reveal until the end of the episode.
 
2012-11-26 11:00:22 AM

Broktun: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.


Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak. He has a stronger team than Rick with more equipment and gear. And Rick's team had no trouble killing the walkers. They only ran into problems when living people actively sabotaged the prison.

Plus they've got all sorts of military grade equipment and the nerd even made his bite-proof suit

Maggie told them they were at the prison and said they had 10 people.

The walkers are *only* a problem when you aren't prepared for them
 
2012-11-26 11:06:56 AM

Marisyana: You'll all be dorking out about another show this time next year. Read a book and imagine your own show.


2/10.
 
2012-11-26 11:11:23 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Broktun: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak. He has a stronger team than Rick with more equipment and gear. And Rick's team had no trouble killing the walkers. They only ran into problems when living people actively sabotaged the prison.

Plus they've got all sorts of military grade equipment and the nerd even made his bite-proof suit

Maggie told them they were at the prison and said they had 10 people.

The walkers are *only* a problem when you aren't prepared for them


I think it's also a matter of need. When Rick's group found the prison, they were wandering the countryside. Clearing out the prison in order to have a proper camp was well worth it.

The Woodbury crew had a well-secured town they could stay in. Risking their lives clearing walkers out of a dark maze of corridors in a prison probably seemed too risky to be worth it.
 
2012-11-26 11:15:54 AM

Straelbora: Marisyana: You'll all be dorking out about another show this time next year. Read a book and imagine your own show.

2/10.


I'm currently finishing up Stephen King's "Cell". Its a nice take on the zombie / survival horror genre. I hear they're woking on a movie adaption. John Cusack was announced for the lead role on Halloween.
 
2012-11-26 11:15:55 AM

Broktun: BizarreMan: Broktun: Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Maggie told them they had 10 people.

Does he trust what Maggie would say when Merle said it couldn't be done?


A reasonable arguement can be made that Merle is telling the truth that it could not be done... given his reasonably low critical thinking skills precluding him from thinking about a quick strike to get between the wires and stabbing the walkers through the protecting fence.
 
2012-11-26 11:18:14 AM

IronTom: It must be hard not to hit with the bayonethand

Not sure what the bayonet to the lip is supposed to do, it can't be fun though.


I thought it was under his nose- threatening to cut it off. Plus, that's super sensitive.
 
2012-11-26 11:19:00 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Andrea sure has a great ass.


Butterface.

/michonne's is better too
 
2012-11-26 11:21:26 AM

OtherLittleGuy: geom_00: THIS SHOW NEEDS TO BE ON HBO!!!

Joffrey needs to stick a candlestick up his ass.


Read an interview about that scene. They filmed more, where it's obvious that she uses the scepter to beat the other prostitute, not rape her with it. The actors involved were surprised that it was interpreted that way.
 
2012-11-26 11:23:47 AM

Straelbora: OtherLittleGuy: geom_00: THIS SHOW NEEDS TO BE ON HBO!!!

Joffrey needs to stick a candlestick up his ass.

Read an interview about that scene. They filmed more, where it's obvious that she uses the scepter to beat the other prostitute, not rape her with it. The actors involved were surprised that it was interpreted that way.


I thought it was pretty obvious as it aired. When they initially showed the scepter, I was dreading where they were going with the scene. Then they made it very clear that Joffrey was asking her to use it to hit the other girl. It wasn't really ambiguous.
 
2012-11-26 11:24:57 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak.


Yeah, Merle is a lot of things, and not among those is educated or particularly creative. Merle's muscle, not brains or charisma. When Merle said clearing out a prison wasn't possible, he was probably being honest -- at the time, he had no reason to lie or attempt to manipulate (not knowing where the Atlanta survivors were or if they were still alive, especially Daryl), effectively ruling out the circumstance in which Merle shows any true cunning. It's much more likely Merle wasn't able to figure out a way to clear the prison out that would make taking it worth it.
 
2012-11-26 11:26:44 AM
I really missed a lot of the newest ep. I usually pick up on the small things but reading this thread I missed a lot. Granted my 9 month old daughter had one of those nights where she sleept only in half hour increments so I had to jump and get her twice while watching. I guess I will be watching it again tonight.
 
2012-11-26 11:29:58 AM

that bosnian sniper: Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak.

Yeah, Merle is a lot of things, and not among those is educated or particularly creative. Merle's muscle, not brains or charisma. When Merle said clearing out a prison wasn't possible, he was probably being honest -- at the time, he had no reason to lie or attempt to manipulate (not knowing where the Atlanta survivors were or if they were still alive, especially Daryl), effectively ruling out the circumstance in which Merle shows any true cunning. It's much more likely Merle wasn't able to figure out a way to clear the prison out that would make taking it worth it.


I would agree with this assessment. Also, the Governor and Merle are under the assumption that people don't wander into the Red Zone and live.
 
2012-11-26 11:36:02 AM
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2012-11-26 11:44:49 AM

that bosnian sniper: Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak.

Yeah, Merle is a lot of things, and not among those is educated or particularly creative. Merle's muscle, not brains or charisma. When Merle said clearing out a prison wasn't possible, he was probably being honest -- at the time, he had no reason to lie or attempt to manipulate (not knowing where the Atlanta survivors were or if they were still alive, especially Daryl), effectively ruling out the circumstance in which Merle shows any true cunning. It's much more likely Merle wasn't able to figure out a way to clear the prison out that would make taking it worth it.


Merle is a survivor. I agree that he's not a coward, but look how he retreated when he went after Michonne in the woods. He knew that she posed a distinct threat after she took out the rest of his crew, so much that he killed one of his own when he refused to retreat and lie to the governor about what happened. Merle probably understood (or overestimated) the risk of taking the prison, and didn't want to chance dying. So yeah, I agree that he wasn't able to figure out a good way to clear it without a large risk to himself.
 
2012-11-26 11:46:10 AM
my impression from the show is that the people in woodbury, including the governor have no idea how to actually survive in the outside world, thats why they were surprised that the jail got cleared out, thats why they were surprised that glen broke free and killed that walker. they know they're up against some badasses
 
2012-11-26 11:49:43 AM

gittlebass: my impression from the show is that the people in woodbury, including the governor have no idea how to actually survive in the outside world, thats why they were surprised that the jail got cleared out, thats why they were surprised that glen broke free and killed that walker. they know they're up against some badasses


This. They've been living without a secure camp for 8 months. They've hardened.
 
2012-11-26 11:55:54 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Especially since... the same consideration was not given for Michonne. The number of threads out in internet land talking about 'I sure hope they don't show Michonne getting rape' were practically non-existent. The number of threads rubbing hands with glee about how possibly graphic Michonne's rape was going to be, however, ....


but white girl could be raped?


I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves. Go ahead. Close your eyes, please. This is a story about a wman walking home from the grocery store one sunny afternoon. I want you to picture this woman.

Suddenly a truck races up. Two men jump out and grab her. One has a long, sharp knife taped to his stump of an arm. They drag her into a nearby town and they tie her up and they rip her clothes from her body. Now one climbs on. Now he's raping her, shattering everything innocent and pure with a vicious thrust in a fog of drunken breath and sweat. And when they're done, after they've killed her womb, murdered any chance for her to have children, to have life beyond her own, they decide to use her for target practice. They start throwing full beer cans at her. They throw them so hard that it tears the flesh all the way to her bones. Then they urinate on her.

Now comes the hanging. They have a rope. They tie a noose. Imagine the noose going tight around her neck and with a sudden blinding jerk she's pulled into the air and her feet and legs go kicking. They don't find the ground. The hanging branch isn't strong enough. It snaps and she falls back to the earth. So they pick her up, throw her in the back of the truck and drive out to the edge of town. Pitch her over the wall. And she drops some thirty feet down to the creek bottom below. Can you see her? Her raped, beaten, broken body soaked in their urine, soaked in their semen, soaked in her blood, left to die. Can you see her? I want you to picture that woman. Now imagine she's Maggie.


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2012-11-26 11:56:21 AM

NeoCortex42: Fark_Guy_Rob: Broktun: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak. He has a stronger team than Rick with more equipment and gear. And Rick's team had no trouble killing the walkers. They only ran into problems when living people actively sabotaged the prison.

Plus they've got all sorts of military grade equipment and the nerd even made his bite-proof suit

Maggie told them they were at the prison and said they had 10 people.

The walkers are *only* a problem when you aren't prepared for them

I think it's also a matter of need. When Rick's group found the prison, they were wandering the countryside. Clearing out the prison in order to have a proper camp was well worth it.

The Woodbury crew had a well-secured town they could stay in. Risking their lives clearing walkers out of a dark maze of corridors in a prison probably seemed too risky to be worth it.


My thoughts exactly. Last week's episode showed Merle to be incredibly sensible. Michonne had killed 2 of his guys & fled into the Red Zone. I fully expected Merle to kick the surviving kid's ass in gear and head on after her. Instead, he quickly explained it was getting dark, she was wounded, and heading into the middle of a dense zombie infestation. They had 2 guys, low ammo, and no reason to expect she'd survive. Pack it in, show's over. That was impressively logical for him and not entirely out of character--maybe prolonged exposure to The Governor drove some smarts into him. Then he shot the kid and reinforced the fact that he's a crazed redneck, so it was all good.

Anyway, Merle was apparently the only one who saw the prison. We can assume that Woodbury was already well-established at that time, so Merle made a tactical decision--why waste the time, ammo, and manpower when they already had a good set up? There's what--70 people in Woodbury? How would they even hold both the prison and Woodbury with so few people? And he's obviously not above lying to the Governor, so could have exaggerated how overrun it was. Now The Governor wants it just because someone else has it.
 
2012-11-26 12:01:22 PM
anyone else see tyreese coming off the wall at the end?
 
2012-11-26 12:03:47 PM

that bosnian sniper: Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak.

Yeah, Merle is a lot of things, and not among those is educated or particularly creative. Merle's muscle, not brains or charisma. When Merle said clearing out a prison wasn't possible, he was probably being honest -- at the time, he had no reason to lie or attempt to manipulate (not knowing where the Atlanta survivors were or if they were still alive, especially Daryl), effectively ruling out the circumstance in which Merle shows any true cunning. It's much more likely Merle wasn't able to figure out a way to clear the prison out that would make taking it worth it.


Don't forget that Merle said that the Atlanta group had Darryl "at its core", which is how he figures they were able to clear the prison. He figures that since he couldn't come up with a plan, his little brother must have (because, after all, Merle taught him everything he knew).

This is a also a good set-up for the next episode. Because Merle thinks Rick's just a dumb-ass hick cop, The Governor's going to underestimate him.
 
2012-11-26 12:10:00 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?


I think it's supposed to set up the other group (Rick's people) as a major threat that's residing right in Woodbury's own backyard, and that the Governor needs to emphasize this to motivate his people into attacking the prison. How else can you get an otherwise complacent group of 75 people to leave the comfort of their own home to enter the Red Zone and launch a counterattack? Regular Woodbury townsfolk do not know about Glenn and Maggie being captured, and therefore would not know why Rick's group is attacking them first.

And I have to agree with another poster who said the Red Zone is probably a propaganda perpetuated by the Governor to keep the Woodbury people in line. This wasn't in the comics, but might be an added-on plot device to show why there has not been any real interaction between Woodbury and the prison until now.
 
2012-11-26 12:10:45 PM

Celerian: T.M.S.: BizarreMan: Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you.

It's especially easy when you live in a magic prison where none of the doors are electronic and nearly all of them don't lock anyway.

Not that it matters much. In last weeks episode Daryl deliberately chose to move past living walkers in a room with the door actually ajar so he could come back and "kill them later". He did not seem to think getting caught in a crunch between zombies in front and behind was anything to be concerned with.

He also noticed that they didn't seem to be capable of moving the door much, so maybe he figured whatever was in there was weak enough to not be a threat. And when it came down to it, wasn't that the same room that Carol was found in? Sure, it was lazy writing, and pretty stupid not to cover his back, but I can see why they would have wanted to avoid the reveal until the end of the episode.


Yes. It was unbelievably lazy writing. But not nearly as contrived as Daryl sharing how his mom died with Carl. That was ridiculous.
 
2012-11-26 12:12:07 PM

brigid_fitch: NeoCortex42: Fark_Guy_Rob: Broktun: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak. He has a stronger team than Rick with more equipment and gear. And Rick's team had no trouble killing the walkers. They only ran into problems when living people actively sabotaged the prison.

Plus they've got all sorts of military grade equipment and the nerd even made his bite-proof suit

Maggie told them they were at the prison and said they had 10 people.

The walkers are *only* a problem when you aren't prepared for them

I think it's also a matter of need. When Rick's group found the prison, they were wandering the countryside. Clearing out the prison in order to have a proper camp was well worth it.

The Woodbury crew had a well-secured town they could stay in. Risking their lives clearing walkers out of a dark maze of corridors in a prison probably seemed too risky to be worth it.

My thoughts exactly. Last week's episode showed Merle to be incredibly sensible. Michonne had killed 2 of his guys & fled into the Red Zone. I fully expected Merle to kick the surviving kid's ass in gear and head on after her. Instead, he quickly explained it was getting dark, she was wounded, and heading into the middle of a dense zombie infestation. They had 2 guys, low ammo, and no reason to expect she'd survive. Pack it in, show's over. That was impressively logical for him and not entirely out of character--maybe prolonged exposure to The Governor drove some smarts into him. Then he shot the kid and reinforced the fact that he's a crazed redneck, so it was all good.

Anyway, Merle was apparently the only one who saw the prison. We can assume that Woodbu ...


Exactly this.

It was dangerous for the group to attempt to take it. As it was Rick barely got inside to close the gate and into the tower, it used up lots of ammunition, and the gunfire drew more zombies to it from outside.

Merle was looking at a prison that had been completely overrun with LOTS of zombies, so its unknown if the prison can even still be made secure. He is not one to willingly risk his neck with long odds as shown by his abandoning the chase of Michonne. And, they have a safe, large, secure hold in Woodbury already set up and successfully running.

In his mind, what is the point of adding in all the risk for something that may not even be an asset (if one of the fences is down, whats the point?

He shouldn't have said it wasn't possible, if he wanted to be accurate. He should have said it wasn't worth the resources to do it given their current set up.

Heck, the only reason it was worth all the effort and risk for Rick's group was because they HAD no permanent shelter. They were constantly on the run for months.
 
2012-11-26 12:14:51 PM
lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be
 
2012-11-26 12:15:23 PM

Tencolin: Merle is a survivor. I agree that he's not a coward, but look how he retreated when he went after Michonne in the woods. He knew that she posed a distinct threat after she took out the rest of his crew, so much that he killed one of his own when he refused to retreat and lie to the governor about what happened. Merle probably understood (or overestimated) the risk of taking the prison, and didn't want to chance dying. So yeah, I agree that he wasn't able to figure out a good way to clear it without a large risk to himself.


I think letting Michonne go served three purposes - one, it links the prison to Woodbury by having Michonne show the group where the town is located, two, it might set up a plot later on where the Governor might have to turn on Merle for lying to him, and three, it shows that Merle is not really a Kool-Aid drinker to The Governor's Jim Jones. So I don't think it says anything about how pragmatic Merle is as much as it just helps to advance the story quicker and set up the climax.
 
2012-11-26 12:16:44 PM

T.M.S.: Celerian: T.M.S.: BizarreMan: Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you.

It's especially easy when you live in a magic prison where none of the doors are electronic and nearly all of them don't lock anyway.

Not that it matters much. In last weeks episode Daryl deliberately chose to move past living walkers in a room with the door actually ajar so he could come back and "kill them later". He did not seem to think getting caught in a crunch between zombies in front and behind was anything to be concerned with.

He also noticed that they didn't seem to be capable of moving the door much, so maybe he figured whatever was in there was weak enough to not be a threat. And when it came down to it, wasn't that the same room that Carol was found in? Sure, it was lazy writing, and pretty stupid not to cover his back, but I can see why they would have wanted to avoid the reveal until the end of the episode.

Yes. It was unbelievably lazy writing. But not nearly as contrived as Daryl sharing how his mom died with Carl. That was ridiculous.


i dont think it was the same room carol was in, they walked pretty far and told a bunch of stories before they got attacked by the walker with carols knife in its neck
 
2012-11-26 12:17:29 PM

Jim from Saint Paul:
Now imagine it's Maggie.

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2012-11-26 12:17:47 PM

The Banana Thug: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

I think it's supposed to set up the other group (Rick's people) as a major threat that's residing right in Woodbury's own backyard, and that the Governor needs to emphasize this to motivate his people into attacking the prison. How else can you get an otherwise complacent group of 75 people to leave the comfort of their own home to enter the Red Zone and launch a counterattack? Regular Woodbury townsfolk do not know about Glenn and Maggie being captured, and therefore would not know why Rick's group is attacking them first.

And I have to agree with another poster who said the Red Zone is probably a propaganda perpetuated by the Governor to keep the Woodbury people in line. This wasn't in the comics, but might be an added-on plot device to show why there has not been any real interaction between Woodbury and the prison until now.


I don't think the Red Zone is that much propaganda given how quickly the group ran into problems in the woods. They were on the run for 8 months and were still spooked by just how many zombies suddenly came upon them.

I was thinking it was also a device similar to the monster in "The Village;" in that they just talked about it to keep people afraid and to stay in town. But it really doesn't fit with the rest of woodbury. Just look at the gladiator matches. The regular townsfolk are being desensitized and almost counter-prepared for dealing with any zombies when they watch those.

No, I think the Red Zone thing DOES instill fear in people, but rightly so, there are obviously a large amount of zombies milling about within it.
 
2012-11-26 12:18:56 PM

gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be


I don't know why people keep going on about the archer. She wasn't a fair representative of the rest of the Woodbury defense - Michonne made it clear at one point that the archer's post was the weakest part of the town's defense, and that she and butterface could escape through there before she went off on her own through the main gate.
 
2012-11-26 12:24:56 PM

gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be


My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.
 
2012-11-26 12:29:55 PM

born_yesterday: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.


yeah, but thats what they do when they're on the road. they dont tell people that they killed the military. The people of woodbury will not be ready enough and will panic
 
2012-11-26 12:31:56 PM

born_yesterday: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.


Where did you get the idea that he's reluctant to take on a group of 10 survivors? I did not get that impression - otherwise, why waste so much time on Glenn and Maggie to get their camp's location?

And handling the National Guard scene differently means taking them back to Woodbury, befriending them and then whacking them would set off alarms among Woodbury's townsfolk that not everything is what it seems. Remember, the Governor's official story was he "found" these supplies and vehicles abandoned along the highway, and only Michonne was suspicious enough to notice the bulletholes - that was the catalyst that made her leave the town and helped advance the story. It was a smart plot device that accomplished a few things at once, including giving the viewers an impression of how evil the Governor really is (which the writers put in in lieu of brutal rape scenes that did not happen last night).
 
2012-11-26 12:34:04 PM

The Banana Thug: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

I don't know why people keep going on about the archer. She wasn't a fair representative of the rest of the Woodbury defense - Michonne made it clear at one point that the archer's post was the weakest part of the town's defense, and that she and butterface could escape through there before she went off on her own through the main gate.


because they made a big deal about the archer and it goes to how that they are unprepared. milton unstrapped a turned human for crying out loud. These are people who were trained in safety for the most part, they have no idea what they're up against out there.
 
2012-11-26 12:34:32 PM

The Banana Thug: I don't know why people keep going on about the archer. She wasn't a fair representative of the rest of the Woodbury defense - Michonne made it clear at one point that the archer's post was the weakest part of the town's defense, and that she and butterface could escape through there before she went off on her own through the main gate.


I think you've just given us an idea as to how Rick's group gets into Woodbury. The audience knows that the archer girl is a weak player on the wall, thanks to Andrea's shenanigans. I have the feeling we're going to see a repeat of the cabin. Michonne is going to kill the archer, giving the Governor something to brandish in front of the townsfolk and say' "Look at these dangerous people out to kill us! We have to protect ourselves and go wipe them out!"
 
2012-11-26 12:36:07 PM

gittlebass: T.M.S.: Celerian: T.M.S.: BizarreMan: Clean out a cell block at a time, keep the gates closed behind you.

It's especially easy when you live in a magic prison where none of the doors are electronic and nearly all of them don't lock anyway.

Not that it matters much. In last weeks episode Daryl deliberately chose to move past living walkers in a room with the door actually ajar so he could come back and "kill them later". He did not seem to think getting caught in a crunch between zombies in front and behind was anything to be concerned with.

He also noticed that they didn't seem to be capable of moving the door much, so maybe he figured whatever was in there was weak enough to not be a threat. And when it came down to it, wasn't that the same room that Carol was found in? Sure, it was lazy writing, and pretty stupid not to cover his back, but I can see why they would have wanted to avoid the reveal until the end of the episode.

Yes. It was unbelievably lazy writing. But not nearly as contrived as Daryl sharing how his mom died with Carl. That was ridiculous.

i dont think it was the same room carol was in, they walked pretty far and told a bunch of stories before they got attacked by the walker with carols knife in its neck


It was the same room. Daryl got all mad and wanted to kill some zombies, and he knew where he could find one: the door they walked past before.
 
2012-11-26 12:36:42 PM

born_yesterday: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.


The difference, is that the National Guard group was, in a strategic sense, unaware of Woodbury and he was absolutely sure of this because the chopper pilot said so. They had also been guarding a town that got overrun (which, as described, started as a minor incident). That means they were not seasoned.

In contrast this tough group of survivors has:
1) Resisted torture for hours, then broken free of a chair and killed a zombie after being left for dead (Glenn)
2) No fear of killing the zombies up close with melee weapons (Andrea)
3) Resisted emotional torture to their self (though not their loved ones, Maggie)
4) Cleared a prison of zombies and prospered, despite the fact his most capable/experienced zombie fighter said that task was impossible. Not difficult, impossible.

Its not a question of raw capability. Its a question of what he knows, vs. what he doesn't know. He doesn't know how many survivors there are for sure (does he trust the girl, and the idea 10 people can accomplish the impossible, or does he assume there are many?), he doesn't know if they know about Woodbury (and they are very close), he knows they are reasonably well equipped given what Maggie and Glenn had on them.

Unknown force, unknown awareness, unknown size, but known to be very, very capable = fear.
 
2012-11-26 12:41:34 PM

kumanoki: The Banana Thug: I don't know why people keep going on about the archer. She wasn't a fair representative of the rest of the Woodbury defense - Michonne made it clear at one point that the archer's post was the weakest part of the town's defense, and that she and butterface could escape through there before she went off on her own through the main gate.

I think you've just given us an idea as to how Rick's group gets into Woodbury. The audience knows that the archer girl is a weak player on the wall, thanks to Andrea's shenanigans. I have the feeling we're going to see a repeat of the cabin. Michonne is going to kill the archer, giving the Governor something to brandish in front of the townsfolk and say' "Look at these dangerous people out to kill us! We have to protect ourselves and go wipe them out!"


Hm, very good point, I didn't realize that. You're right, Michonne did imply to Rick that she knew a way in. Totally agree that the Governor will use Rick's attack to compel his people into taking on the prison.

gittlebass: because they made a big deal about the archer and it goes to how that they are unprepared. milton unstrapped a turned human for crying out loud. These are people who were trained in safety for the most part, they have no idea what they're up against out there.


Yea, Milton's an odd one. So much exposition was wasted on his lame backstory about no family, etc. Some other poster last week mentioned that Milton could be the comic's Eugene, but now I'm thinking that might be coming true. I think those two anecdotes you mentioned might be to show the viewers how a team of 10 hardened survivors can be on equal footing with a group of 70 inexperienced townsfolk, combat-wise.
 
2012-11-26 12:42:36 PM

The Banana Thug: Where did you get the idea that he's reluctant to take on a group of 10 survivors? I did not get that impression - otherwise, why waste so much time on Glenn and Maggie to get their camp's location?


I thought he was clearly concerned with the threat they presented to his group, considering he was impressed with their abilities. They were all pretty impressed with Glenn, and rightfully so! You're absolutely correct, though, he does seem to intend to take Rick's group head-on regardless.

And handling the National Guard scene differently means taking them back to Woodbury, befriending them and then whacking them would set off alarms among Woodbury's townsfolk that not everything is what it seems.

Oh, I didn't at all mean take them back to Woodbury. I simply meant present the scene differently (as in putting the Guardsmen completely at ease, offering them some water, maybe a drink, then whacking them there). Of course you don't let the townspeople see them. Haven't you ever whacked anybody before? :P

I think I'm just perceiving mixed messages about the competency and numbers of actual fighters in the Woodbury group (crappy archer, bent barrels, but expert ambushers). I guess we'll find out next week!
 
2012-11-26 12:47:12 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: born_yesterday: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.

The difference, is that the National Guard group was, in a strategic sense, unaware of Woodbury and he was absolutely sure of this because the chopper pilot said so. They had also been guarding a town that got overrun (which, as described, started as a minor incident). That means they were not seasoned.

In contrast this tough group of survivors has:
1) Resisted torture for hours, then broken free of a chair and killed a zombie after being left for dead (Glenn)
2) No fear of killing the zombies up close with melee weapons (Andrea)
3) Resisted emotional torture to their self (though not their loved ones, Maggie)
4) Cleared a prison of zombies and prospered, despite the fact his most capable/experienced zombie fighter said that task was impossible. Not difficult, impossible.

Its not a question of raw capability. Its a question of what he knows, vs. what he doesn't know. He doesn't know how many survivors there are for sure (does he tr ...


OK, I can buy this. : ). Between you and Bananna Thug, I think I may have been misreading the level of weakness being conveyed. It's clear when the Gov. perceives a threat, he takes care of it pretty fearlessly, so what he's afraid of now is what he doesn't know about the threat they pose to him.
 
2012-11-26 12:47:47 PM

Clash City Farker: Can we just have an hour of Maggie walking around topless?


Agreed. And far FAR away from Rapey Rapey scenarios.
 
2012-11-26 12:49:09 PM
Maybe part of Merles decision to not take the prison was the same as Dayrles not wanting to sleep in the cell. They have been in prison before and didnt want to be there if they could help it .
 
2012-11-26 12:55:54 PM

Saiga410: Broktun: BizarreMan: Broktun: Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Maggie told them they had 10 people.

Does he trust what Maggie would say when Merle said it couldn't be done?

A reasonable arguement can be made that Merle is telling the truth that it could not be done... given his reasonably low critical thinking skills precluding him from thinking about a quick strike to get between the wires and stabbing the walkers through the protecting fence.


Is the WHOLE prison even cleared?

Woodburrians (75ish) would have needed much more room than Ranger Rick and the gang.
 
2012-11-26 12:55:56 PM

born_yesterday: Oh, I didn't at all mean take them back to Woodbury. I simply meant present the scene differently (as in putting the Guardsmen completely at ease, offering them some water, maybe a drink, then whacking them there). Of course you don't let the townspeople see them. Haven't you ever whacked anybody before? :P

I think I'm just perceiving mixed messages about the competency and numbers of actual fighters in the Woodbury group (crappy archer, bent barrels, but expert ambushers). I guess we'll find out next week!


Totally agree with you there. I think it's to show their strengths and weaknesses, about how they could have survived as long as they have, and yet possibly get overrun by a group of 10 survivors - Woodbury is good at using the element of surprise to do hit-and-runs, but not for prolonged combat? Sort of like hicksville version of Al Qaeda fighters. In any case, anyone following the comics know that a lot of the climatic moments were due to poor judgment and lack of proactive ideas about defense and combat contingencies, and yet we're now expecting the TV version to have everything thought out and thoroughly planned?
 
2012-11-26 12:56:43 PM

The Banana Thug:

I don't know why people keep going on about the archer. She wasn't a fair representative of the rest of the Woodbury defense - Michonne made it clear at one point that the archer's post was the weakest part of the town's defense, and that she and butterface could escape through there before she went off on her own through the main gate.


The scene was done to illustrate how useless Mayberry's people and defenses were.

The Nadine Cross stand-in asked the Randall Flagg stand-in for permission to join the cities warrior class. He chuckles and condescendingly agrees to have one of his solders show her the ropes.

Cut to the young soldier telling her story about the horrors she has witnessed including the gruesome death of her father, the man that made her the skilled shot she is today. She proudly displays her fallen father's sword (bow) and then proceeds to fail miserably and cry like a little girl as blond woman kills the walker.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:01 PM

born_yesterday: I think I'm just perceiving mixed messages about the competency and numbers of actual fighters in the Woodbury group (crappy archer, bent barrels, but expert ambushers). I guess we'll find out next week!


I think what we're seeing is an organization that is much better at scavenging than hunting. The Governor's men got the drop on the chopper and the National Guard unit because they knew where to look and what to expect. Even with Merle chasing Michonne into the woods, you see that his group of four was inept at defending themselves from her. They were being hunted and didn't realize it. I think the Governor has a squad of goons that scavenge, and then the rest of the townsfolk who live and work within the walls.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:13 PM

Broktun: Is the WHOLE prison even cleared?



No, Two-Dogg and creepy goatee man couldn't even properly clear out their blo9ck of dead bodies, as "they just get swarmed when they throw out one body". Two-Dogg also mentions that "a wall is down" in that same conversation too.
 
2012-11-26 01:04:42 PM

born_yesterday: Oh, I didn't at all mean take them back to Woodbury. I simply meant present the scene differently (as in putting the Guardsmen completely at ease, offering them some water, maybe a drink, then whacking them there). Of course you don't let the townspeople see them. Haven't you ever whacked anybody before? :P

I think I'm just perceiving mixed messages about the competency and numbers of actual fighters in the Woodbury group (crappy archer, bent barrels, but expert ambushers). I guess we'll find out next week!


I agree that the scene could have been expanded a bit. Offer some supplies and gaining the guards' trust before whacking them, but it probably would have run the scene too long. So instead, we get to see that the Woodbury muscle was able to set up an efficient ambush, but when they're on the other end of an ambush, or in a face to face battle, that's where their weakness will be. They've been simply over powering zombies for the most part. I think it's safe to assume that the bar scene in season 2 involved an unknown number of the Woodbury crew. How many trucks/guns/people did they have agains Rick, Glen and Herschel? And Rick's crew got out of the situation with a prisoner. Woodbury is not equipped to handle a competent assault.
 
2012-11-26 01:09:32 PM

The Banana Thug: Yea, Milton's an odd one. So much exposition was wasted on his lame backstory about no family, etc. Some other poster last week mentioned that Milton could be the comic's Eugene, but now I'm thinking that might be coming true. I think those two anecdotes you mentioned might be to show the viewers how a team of 10 hardened survivors can be on equal footing with a group of 70 inexperienced townsfolk, combat-wise.


I'm the one who suggested Milton is going to be the TV show Eugene-analog, and I still think it's going to happen...especially for the fact they're taking time to develop an on-screen dialogue between Andrea and him when otherwise there wouldn't be much reason.

Though, the scenes with Archer Girl would have been a lot more convincing to show how genuinely unprepared and inexperienced she was if the goddamn zombie wasn't dodging her shots. Go back and watch that scene again -- both arrows she shot would have been kill-shots if the zombie hadn't lunged, tripped, or dodged at the last moment. My takeaway from that scene wasn't so much she was a shiatty archer, as it was to show archery isn't quite as effective against zombies as viewers have been led to believe between Daryl and the other Woodbury survivor with a bow.

Overconfident, impatient, twitchy? Sure. All those traits detract from the ability to use a bow effectively. She's still a decent shot with it, though. Anyhow...

The Banana Thug: It was a smart plot device that accomplished a few things at once, including giving the viewers an impression of how evil the Governor really is (which the writers put in in lieu of brutal rape scenes that did not happen last night).


I thought that resolution was...interesting. I got the impression from Morrissey's performance, and the scene's depiction, the Governor was going to do it but realized at the last moment it wasn't going to be a very effective interrogation tactic, and walking out of the room was a little shocked and disturbed at the idea he was going to do it.
 
2012-11-26 01:10:46 PM

MoronLessOff: I think it's safe to assume that the bar scene in season 2 involved an unknown number of the Woodbury crew. How many trucks/guns/people did they have agains Rick, Glen and Herschel? And Rick's crew got out of the situation with a prisoner. Woodbury is not equipped to handle a competent assault.


Was that the Woodbury people? I thought that was a separate group of survivors? The impression that I got was Herschel's farm was quite a bit of ways away from the Prison and Woodbury area, otherwise Herschel and Maggie, being locals, would have taken the group to the prison a LOT earlier than the 8 months it actually took (given the length of Lori's pregnancy). No way the Woodbury people would go that far out of their comfort zone.
 
2012-11-26 01:12:24 PM

kumanoki: I think what we're seeing is an organization that is much better at scavenging than hunting. The Governor's men got the drop on the chopper and the National Guard unit because they knew where to look and what to expect. Even with Merle chasing Michonne into the woods, you see that his group of four was inept at defending themselves from her. They were being hunted and didn't realize it. I think the Governor has a squad of goons that scavenge, and then the rest of the townsfolk who live and work within the walls.


And yet, there was a store of some sort with baby formula within driving distance of Woodbury. Nope, they're not great scavengers either. That there is ANYTHING to scavenge within a days drive of that town just shows some sloppy writing. Yeah, yeah, Red Zone...whatever. No way they're supporting that many people without constant forays out into the zombie infested country side. I don't expect the whole town to be bad-asses, but they should at least have more than 5 - 10 who are constantly running supply missions / fighting zombies.
 
2012-11-26 01:12:30 PM

that bosnian sniper: I'm the one who suggested Milton is going to be the TV show Eugene-analog, and I still think it's going to happen...especially for the fact they're taking time to develop an on-screen dialogue between Andrea and him when otherwise there wouldn't be much reason.

Though, the scenes with Archer Girl would have been a lot more convincing to show how genuinely unprepared and inexperienced she was if the goddamn zombie wasn't dodging her shots. Go back and watch that scene again -- both arrows she shot would have been kill-shots if the zombie hadn't lunged, tripped, or dodged at the last moment. My takeaway from that scene wasn't so much she was a shiatty archer, as it was to show archery isn't quite as effective against zombies as viewers have been led to believe between Daryl and the other Woodbury survivor with a bow.


But I watched the arrows bounce off the head of said zombie. It looked to me like her stupid ass either couldn't pull the bowstring back far enough to generate enough force behind the arrow to penetrate the zombies skull.

Or she had the way wrong kind of arrows. Though, I am by no means an expert on bows/arrows. So for all I know, she did everything right and it was just freak coincidence.
 
2012-11-26 01:14:00 PM

The Banana Thug: Was that the Woodbury people?


I think it's a safe assumption. Especially from the kid's description of his groups atrocities, that only men go out on runs, and his description of their weapons cache.
 
2012-11-26 01:16:36 PM

born_yesterday: I think I'm just perceiving mixed messages about the competency and numbers of actual fighters in the Woodbury group (crappy archer, bent barrels, but expert ambushers). I guess we'll find out next week


What about Goon 2 always walking around with the pistoled MP5. It looks like the gov is more scared of people than zombies. That gun is not what you want for zombies. If I was expected to hunt zombies I would have chosen some 9mm carbine before that thing (I am thinking a hi point carbine would be easy to dig up). Same ammo, but able to engage at 75+ feet while also being short enough for close up work.
 
2012-11-26 01:19:44 PM
Something else to consider about the National Guardsmen that the Governor took out. They were not expecting anything dangerous to come out of the encounter. They haven't run into enough bad men to be paranoid when a stranger comes up to them like that.

What I don't get is how the hermit was able to survive for so long, being apparently so whacked out.
 
2012-11-26 01:21:52 PM

Darth_Lukecash: MoronLessOff: Darth_Lukecash: Oh boy! Rape is so entertaining!

Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about the subject. Why don't you have a seat?

I said rape- not pedophilism.

Nothing pisses me off as using rape as part of entertainment.


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2012-11-26 01:25:18 PM

QT_3.14159: kumanoki: I think what we're seeing is an organization that is much better at scavenging than hunting. The Governor's men got the drop on the chopper and the National Guard unit because they knew where to look and what to expect. Even with Merle chasing Michonne into the woods, you see that his group of four was inept at defending themselves from her. They were being hunted and didn't realize it. I think the Governor has a squad of goons that scavenge, and then the rest of the townsfolk who live and work within the walls.

And yet, there was a store of some sort with baby formula within driving distance of Woodbury. Nope, they're not great scavengers either. That there is ANYTHING to scavenge within a days drive of that town just shows some sloppy writing. Yeah, yeah, Red Zone...whatever. No way they're supporting that many people without constant forays out into the zombie infested country side. I don't expect the whole town to bebad-asses, but they should at least have more than 5 - 10 who are constantly running supply missions / fighting zombies.


Based on the scenes in Woodbury, they've gone a long way to push the idea that the town sustains itself on all but the 'essentials'. There are gardens being tended, solar power panels, water. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodbury has stockpiled a nice warehouse full of sundries. But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury, so it may not be something they scavenged for..
Again, this is conjecture- there's know way to know the areas that have been covered or the things they'd be searching for. So I'll concede that your argument is valid if you'll concede that there might be formula left behind in a warehouse somewhere.
 
2012-11-26 01:25:51 PM

BizarreMan: Something else to consider about the National Guardsmen that the Governor took out. They were not expecting anything dangerous to come out of the encounter. They haven't run into enough bad men to be paranoid when a stranger comes up to them like that.

What I don't get is how the hermit was able to survive for so long, being apparently so whacked out.


That just made me feel bad for the guy. Though it was a useful trope in that it demonstrated how killing someone is not necessarily related to good guy vs. bad guy. That guy was just freaked out and in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I wouldn't argue it was wrong to kill him: if he had gotten out they would have ALL been farked.
 
2012-11-26 01:35:21 PM

MoronLessOff: I think it's safe to assume that the bar scene in season 2 involved an unknown number of the Woodbury crew.


No. Didn't they say they were from Philadelphia?
 
2012-11-26 01:39:05 PM

kumanoki: Based on the scenes in Woodbury, they've gone a long way to push the idea that the town sustains itself on all but the 'essentials'. There are gardens being tended, solar power panels, water. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodbury has stockpiled a nice warehouse full of sundries. But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury, so it may not be something they scavenged for..


I'm pretty sure when they were talking about population of the town in one of the earlier episodes, they very specifically mentioned a baby being born. Maybe they weren't worried about needing to feed it formula and figured they could nurse, but it would still be smart to stockpile all of that sort of thing within an easy drive.
 
2012-11-26 01:44:59 PM

QT_3.14159: kumanoki: Based on the scenes in Woodbury, they've gone a long way to push the idea that the town sustains itself on all but the 'essentials'. There are gardens being tended, solar power panels, water. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodbury has stockpiled a nice warehouse full of sundries. But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury, so it may not be something they scavenged for..

I'm pretty sure when they were talking about population of the town in one of the earlier episodes, they very specifically mentioned a baby being born. Maybe they weren't worried about needing to feed it formula and figured they could nurse, but it would still be smart to stockpile all of that sort of thing within an easy drive.


Babies be darned. Powdered milk is powdered milk
 
2012-11-26 01:58:06 PM

Strategeryz0r: But I watched the arrows bounce off the head of said zombie. It looked to me like her stupid ass either couldn't pull the bowstring back far enough to generate enough force behind the arrow to penetrate the zombies skull.

Or she had the way wrong kind of arrows. Though, I am by no means an expert on bows/arrows. So for all I know, she did everything right and it was just freak coincidence.


Neither am I, only being an amateur archer and been out of practice since adolescence.

Though, with that said, she was using a pretty decent compound...I don't buy she couldn't pull the bow with enough force to kill a zombie. I can't recall the heads she was using offhand. As far as I can remember, they were straightforward bullet points. My takeaway from that is she is a pretty good archer...at hitting targets, especially the type that aren't inclined to eat your face.
 
2012-11-26 02:01:45 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: That guy was just freaked out and in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I wouldn't argue it was wrong to kill him: if he had gotten out they would have ALL been farked.


Well, if he'd ran out the front door the outcome would have been the same, with the added bonus of the guy screaming and drawing even more attention as the zombies ate him allowing the main characters to get away in even greater safety. The fact the shack had a back door that wasn't shoulder-deep in zombies kind of negated the entire point of the exercise.
 
2012-11-26 02:02:24 PM

that bosnian sniper:

Though, the scenes with Archer Girl would have been a lot more convincing to show how genuinely unprepared and inexperienced she was if the goddamn zombie wasn't dodging her shots. Go back and watch that scene again -- both arrows she shot would have been kill-shots if the zombie hadn't lunged, tripped, or dodged at the last moment. My takeaway from that scene wasn't so much she was a shiatty archer, as it was to show archery isn't quite as effective against zombies as viewers have been led to believe between Daryl and the other Woodbury survivor with a bow.

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If that were the case they would have shown the arrow missing the zombie and sticking hard into something behind him indicating that she has no experience with a moving target. (she claimed to be an Olympic level archer)

Instead the arrow is shown flying with the intensity and aim of a rubber suction tipped toy.
 
2012-11-26 02:03:25 PM

QT_3.14159: kumanoki: Based on the scenes in Woodbury, they've gone a long way to push the idea that the town sustains itself on all but the 'essentials'. There are gardens being tended, solar power panels, water. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodbury has stockpiled a nice warehouse full of sundries. But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury, so it may not be something they scavenged for..

I'm pretty sure when they were talking about population of the town in one of the earlier episodes, they very specifically mentioned a baby being born. Maybe they weren't worried about needing to feed it formula and figured they could nurse, but it would still be smart to stockpile all of that sort of thing within an easy drive.


I'm not seeing a whole lot of what I'd call smart out of the citizens of Woodbury.
 
2012-11-26 02:06:11 PM

that bosnian sniper: Wicked Chinchilla: That guy was just freaked out and in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I wouldn't argue it was wrong to kill him: if he had gotten out they would have ALL been farked.

Well, if he'd ran out the front door the outcome would have been the same, with the added bonus of the guy screaming and drawing even more attention as the zombies ate him allowing the main characters to get away in even greater safety. The fact the shack had a back door that wasn't shoulder-deep in zombies kind of negated the entire point of the exercise.


Heh, thats true. I suppose him escaping vs. getting katana'd may have made it more difficult to get out, but ultimately didn't change the full equation.

I did wonder why they didn't just head out the back instead of farking around inside. What, indeed, was the point of that? (aside from another scene showing michonne just gets shiat done regardless of moral implications)
 
2012-11-26 02:06:34 PM

born_yesterday: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.


Well, from the scenes inside the town I get the impression that the guys who took out the guardsmen were the only tough/ruthless/competent guys in Woodbury. That puts their complement of "fighters" at what? 10, maybe 12 guys?

Look at the people in the town... none of them carry weapons. In fact, the idea of Michonne carrying a sword is "frightening" to them. The Governor has done his best to insulate them from actual combat. He probably thought he was "helping" them, but really he's just turned them into targets. They go about their daily lives as if nothing was wrong outside. They're gardening, whittling, and farking around while the wall guards protect them.

And what about those guards? We've only seen two "wall attacks"... in one, Merle took over and shot the walkers. In the other, archer girl was using judo points against a human-sized target (only useful against small game) and missing horribly. Freaking target points would have been better. I get the impression that most of the guards are just warm bodies/spotters there to call in a shooter when they see a walker.

Really, it's ten versus a dozen, not ten versus seventy. The extras are there just to be confusing non-targets. To make things worse for the Woodbury crowd, the dozen "competent" guys are conditioned to expect little to no resistance. All they do outside is scavenge and ambush... A coordinated attack on their position is something they're NOT prepared for, and the Governor KNOWS this. That's why he's so scared of outside groups who have managed to survive on their own.

If I was in the Governor's place, I'd be putting the regular townsfolk up against those de-teethed biters in a kind of training session. I'd have mandatory archery sessions for EVERYONE (exceptions made for one-armed rednecks with bayonet prosthetics). I would do my damndest to make sure every towns person knew what to do if a walker got inside the walls. He's doing the opposite; keeping them dependent on him and his crew so they don't ask questions.

Of course, I also wouldn't have heads in fish tanks and a zombie daughter in the closet...
 
2012-11-26 02:10:36 PM

kumanoki: QT_3.14159: kumanoki: Based on the scenes in Woodbury, they've gone a long way to push the idea that the town sustains itself on all but the 'essentials'. There are gardens being tended, solar power panels, water. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodbury has stockpiled a nice warehouse full of sundries. But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury, so it may not be something they scavenged for..

I'm pretty sure when they were talking about population of the town in one of the earlier episodes, they very specifically mentioned a baby being born. Maybe they weren't worried about needing to feed it formula and figured they could nurse, but it would still be smart to stockpile all of that sort of thing within an easy drive.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of what I'd call smart out of the citizens of Woodbury.


Me neither.

I think the most fatal flaw of Woodbury is the desire for everyone to fall back into a sense of pre-zombie normalcy. "Just ignore what is going on outside, we will protect you and carry on with your lives."

I mean, all of them were around when this stuff started, they have SEEN shiat go to pot before. I know if I survived for that long I would darn sure be prepared if I ever had to bolt, and I don't think I could ever just be "normal" ever again. Its not a normal world anymore, trying to make it so just results in a faster demise.
 
2012-11-26 02:12:02 PM

that bosnian sniper: Well, if he'd ran out the front door the outcome would have been the same, with the added bonus of the guy screaming and drawing even more attention as the zombies ate him allowing the main characters to get away in even greater safety. The fact the shack had a back door that wasn't shoulder-deep in zombies kind of negated the entire point of the exercise.


I just love how that gore-fest transitioned to a KFC holiday feast commercial. Best segue ever.

Wicked Chinchilla: I did wonder why they didn't just head out the back instead of farking around inside. What, indeed, was the point of that? (aside from another scene showing michonne just gets shiat done regardless of moral implications)


I think they assumed that the walkers would swarm around to the back of the house if there was enough commotion. They threw the freshly dead body out to distract the zombies. But yea, I didn't like that scene in general, that hermit was unrealistic and the whole thing was unnecessary, except maybe to emphasize the existence of a Red Zone between the prison and the town. But the crazy hermit thing really took me out the seriousness of the episode.
 
2012-11-26 02:23:05 PM
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It's the implication, Mac Merle.
 
2012-11-26 02:25:02 PM

The Banana Thug: I think they assumed that the walkers would swarm around to the back of the house if there was enough commotion. They threw the freshly dead body out to distract the zombies. But yea, I didn't like that scene in general, that hermit was unrealistic and the whole thing was unnecessary, except maybe to emphasize the existence of a Red Zone between the prison and the town. But the crazy hermit thing really took me out the seriousness of the episode.


Am I the only one that thought the Hermit was played by Jeff Fahey?
 
2012-11-26 02:25:44 PM

Jgok: He's doing the opposite; keeping them dependent on him and his crew so they don't ask questions.


Enough exposure and training to make sure people don't shiat their pants, run around in circles, get themselves bitten, compromise security and cause the entire situation to turn to pot out of sheer incompetence, sure. But on the other hand, to sustain anything approaching a civilized, orderly existence, a group of people is going to need division of labor. The unfortunate corollary of that is you are going to end up with people who aren't trained, full-time zombie-killers.

If I were in the Governor's position, I'd want the people who aren't zombie-killers out of the way, and not getting themselves and everyone else killed, if things go sideways.
 
2012-11-26 02:33:01 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves. Go ahead. Close your eyes, please. This is a story about a wman walking home from the grocery store one sunny afternoon. I want you to picture this woman.

Suddenly a truck races up. Two men jump out and grab her. One has a long, sharp knife taped to his stump of an arm. They drag her into a nearby town and they tie her up and they rip her clothes from her body. Now one climbs on. Now he's raping her, shattering everything innocent and pure with a vicious thrust in a fog of drunken breath and sweat. And when they're done, after they've killed her womb, murdered any chance for her to have children, to have life beyond her own, they decide to use her for target practice. They start throwing full beer cans at her. They throw them so hard that it tears the flesh all the way to her bones. Then they urinate on her.

Now comes the hanging. They have a rope. They tie a noose. Imagine the noose going tight around her neck and with a sudden blinding jerk she's pulled into the air and her feet and legs go kicking. They don't find the ground. The hanging branch isn't strong enough. It snaps and she falls back to the earth. So they pick her up, throw her in the back of the truck and drive out to the edge of town. Pitch her over the wall. And she drops some thirty feet down to the creek bottom below. Can you see her? Her raped, beaten, broken body soaked in their urine, soaked in their semen, soaked in her blood, left to die. Can you see ...


I closed my eyes. What happens next?
 
2012-11-26 02:34:20 PM

Straelbora: OtherLittleGuy: geom_00: THIS SHOW NEEDS TO BE ON HBO!!!

Joffrey needs to stick a candlestick up his ass.


Read an interview about that scene. They filmed more, where it's obvious that she uses the scepter to beat the other prostitute, not rape her with it. The actors involved were surprised that it was interpreted that way.


NeoCortex42:I thought it was pretty obvious as it aired. When they initially showed the scepter, I was dreading where they were going with the scene. Then they made it very clear that Joffrey was asking her to use it to hit the other girl. It wasn't really ambiguous.


I remember watching that scene and thinking "Holy fark, they're not really gonna have her do that, are they?", before they made it clear it was simply going to be for beating. Personally, I felt it was unnecessary to show her brandishing it as a weapon, rather than a dildo, if only because it prevents the audience from filling in their own sick blanks. It was a made-up scene anyway, only there to showcase Joff's cruelty (despite the recent scene w/ Sansa in the Throne room), so they could've gotten away with the just a shot of him handing it to her trembling hands, a shot of the other girl with fear in her eyes, and a shot of him looking pleased with himself, while fearful sobbing comes from behind the camera. But, hey, maybe I'm just a sick bastard...
 
2012-11-26 02:54:16 PM

Creeping Malaise: Jim from Saint Paul: I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves. Go ahead. Close your eyes, please. This is a story about a wman walking home from the grocery store one sunny afternoon. I want you to picture this woman.

Suddenly a truck races up. Two men jump out and grab her. One has a long, sharp knife taped to his stump of an arm. They drag her into a nearby town and they tie her up and they rip her clothes from her body. Now one climbs on. Now he's raping her, shattering everything innocent and pure with a vicious thrust in a fog of drunken breath and sweat. And when they're done, after they've killed her womb, murdered any chance for her to have children, to have life beyond her own, they decide to use her for target practice. They start throwing full beer cans at her. They throw them so hard that it tears the flesh all the way to her bones. Then they urinate on her.

Now comes the hanging. They have a rope. They tie a noose. Imagine the noose going tight around her neck and with a sudden blinding jerk she's pulled into the air and her feet and legs go kicking. They don't find the ground. The hanging branch isn't strong enough. It snaps and she falls back to the earth. So they pick her up, throw her in the back of the truck and drive out to the edge of town. Pitch her over the wall. And she drops some thirty feet down to the creek bottom below. Can you see her? Her raped, beaten, broken body soaked in their urine, soaked in their semen, soaked in her blood, left to die. Can you see ...

I closed my eyes. What happens next?


Obviously they're still open.

Stop cheating so I can start.
 
2012-11-26 03:06:55 PM

Saiga410: The Banana Thug: I think they assumed that the walkers would swarm around to the back of the house if there was enough commotion. They threw the freshly dead body out to distract the zombies. But yea, I didn't like that scene in general, that hermit was unrealistic and the whole thing was unnecessary, except maybe to emphasize the existence of a Red Zone between the prison and the town. But the crazy hermit thing really took me out the seriousness of the episode.

Am I the only one that thought the Hermit was played by Jeff Fahey?


"Who're you callin' a yahoohermit?"

Also how did we (in a matter of a few weeks) go from commenting on how Woodbury has it's own black guy and a asian guy to thinking said black guy is now Tyreese?
 
2012-11-26 03:20:42 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve:
Also how did we (in a matter of a few weeks) go from commenting on how Woodbury has it's own black guy and a asian guy to thinking said black guy is now Tyreese?


I am also curious about this. Was there an interview I missed somewhere?
 
2012-11-26 03:28:03 PM
Tyreese was announced last week as well as Morgan, tyreese had the bow on the wall towards the end of the ep
 
2012-11-26 03:28:24 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Also how did we (in a matter of a few weeks) go from commenting on how Woodbury has it's own black guy and a asian guy to thinking said black guy is now Tyreese?


You are confusing two different black guys. The black guy from a few weeks ago was uncredited & played by Travis Love, someone I have never heard of. The new black guy, speculated to be Tyreese, is played by Chad Coleman who was on The Wire. He will supposedly appear for the first time next episode, although I couldn't tell which black guy was coming off the wall in this episode. They all look the same to me.
 
2012-11-26 03:29:37 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Creeping Malaise: Jim from Saint Paul: I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story.

I closed my eyes. What happens next?

Obviously they're still open.

Stop cheating so I can start.


Obviously I am touch typing! :)
 
2012-11-26 03:31:20 PM
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"Wire" actors? On my Walking Dead?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit yeah.
 
2012-11-26 03:34:50 PM

kumanoki: But you're right- I didn't see any babies in Woodbury,


Depending how depraved the Governor will be portrayed on the show, we might have...... at the picnic.....
 
2012-11-26 03:35:02 PM

Jgok: born_yesterday: gittlebass: lets put it this way. woodbury has what, a couple of guys with guns, an archer who's a terrible shot and people who have been trained to not worry about the walkers (arena fights). They kidnap glen and glen turns out to be more badass than almost all their guys so im sure they think theres 10 glens out there, they know michonne is out there, daryls brother who im sure the governor is worried about and then more unknowns that took out hundreds of walkers merle said couldnt be done. This is why they're scared and should be

My only problem with this is that they presented the Gov and his group as highly competent at ambushing an equally-sized group of trained, armed, and alerted Guardsmen. If that was solely about showing that the Gov. was psychotic, they could have handled the scene much differently ( eg. befriended, then whacked them). Not like I'm riled up or anything, but the idea that he would so readily face the National Guard and not a group of 10 tough survivors isn't jibing with me somehow.

Well, from the scenes inside the town I get the impression that the guys who took out the guardsmen were the only tough/ruthless/competent guys in Woodbury. That puts their complement of "fighters" at what? 10, maybe 12 guys?

Look at the people in the town... none of them carry weapons. In fact, the idea of Michonne carrying a sword is "frightening" to them. The Governor has done his best to insulate them from actual combat. He probably thought he was "helping" them, but really he's just turned them into targets. They go about their daily lives as if nothing was wrong outside. They're gardening, whittling, and farking around while the wall guards protect them.

And what about those guards? We've only seen two "wall attacks"... in one, Merle took over and shot the walkers. In the other, archer girl was using judo points against a human-sized target (only useful against small game) and missing horribly. Freaking target points would have been b ...


To be perfectly honest - I didn't really understand the direction of the episode. Maybe it's explained better in the comics or maybe it's just 'Everyone is half crazy now'. Merle could have just played nice with Glen and Maggie. Taken off his arm-blade thing, been less creepy, tell them he'll wait. They'd bring back the supplies to the prison, tell everyone, they'd talk, Daryl would say something about 'Family' in his good-hearted badass way and go meet his brother. Presumably Merle still cares for his baby brother.

Merle could talk vaguely about his group
Daryl could talk vaguely about his group

It's already established that Rick wants out of the prison when he's on the phone. Rick's includes a doctor-type, an old lady, a baby, a child, two cute girls, a former cop, the asian guy and two convicts, right? Seems like they'd both benefit from the union. Merle could certainly vouch for his brother, and now that T-Dog is dead the bad blood between them would be a non-issue. Andrea as well.

At this point in the show it's reasonable to say that Rick and Glen (at least) wouldn't object too much to killing innocent people like the army guys the Governor put down. Nobody shed any tears over the dead guy in the cabin, Glen's already said he'd kill a bunch of other people if it meant keeping Maggie and the group safe, plus Rick's reaction to the Michonne was nearly identical to that of the Governor's. "We'll help you, you can stay here, we're going to take your weapon though, and you are going to tell me what I want to know or I'll torture you.' (I actually don't understand why Michonne has any reason to help them at all)

At the very least, Merle could *play along* long enough to get to the prison.

But I guess it would make a pretty boring show if it was just 'Man takes on nature's crappiest enemy - the slow moving, completely mindless, zombie; completely kicks it's ass, and rebuilds society'.
 
2012-11-26 03:39:41 PM

Creeping Malaise: Jim from Saint Paul: Creeping Malaise: Jim from Saint Paul: I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story.

I closed my eyes. What happens next?

Obviously they're still open.

Stop cheating so I can start.

Obviously I am touch typing! :)


So....... *fap*
 
2012-11-26 03:55:08 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Creeping Malaise: Jim from Saint Paul: Creeping Malaise: Jim from Saint Paul: I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story.

I closed my eyes. What happens next?

Obviously they're still open.

Stop cheating so I can start.

Obviously I am touch typing! :)

So....... *fap*


Touche!
 
2012-11-26 03:55:34 PM
Fark_Guy_Rob:

Your whole assumption is that Merle is a reasonable human being and not a racist, sadistic, slightly insane jackass.

He is not a reasonable human being. He knows well enough on how to function in society he is in... until he thinks that he is the alpha dog.

On the roof during season 1, everyone seems SHOCKED that Merle acted the way he did with T-Dog. That means he understood Shane to be the alpha dog and was willing to curtail his true inclinations and attitudes to fit in their little tent 'society".

Get him out of that finally? "SPEARCHUCKER SUGAR TITS".

Now that he is in a place where his natural sadistic self is REWARDED WITH CHEERS and he will do whatever it takes to keep that going as he is also an ego-maniac. He still tries to be himself, while curtailing to The Governor. Merle is again showing his abilitiy to walk the lign of being himself and being what the group he is in expects him to be.

No chance Merle is that reasonable.
 
2012-11-26 03:56:05 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: (I actually don't understand why Michonne has any reason to help them at all)


No reason to help them, exactly, but you have to remember, she is a good judge of character. She immediately got bad vibes off the Governor regardless of how he treated her and got decent vibes off Glenn / Maggie and Rick in spite of the way Rick did basically the same things. Take away her sword and lock her up, but don't pretend you're not.

Though, yes, she really needs to work on her communication skills...
 
2012-11-26 04:03:43 PM

QT_3.14159: No reason to help them


While she said she didn't ask for their help, she absolutely did. She found the prison, brought the formula, gave Rick a look that basically said, "I'm in deep shiat and I need your help". Carl saved her ass. Rick brought her in. Herschel patched her up. And then she finds out that they want to go for Glen and Maggie, which gives her the perfect opportunity to get revenge on Merle and get Andrea out of there.

She has every reason to help them.
 
2012-11-26 04:08:14 PM

MoronLessOff: QT_3.14159: No reason to help them

While she said she didn't ask for their help, she absolutely did. She found the prison, brought the formula, gave Rick a look that basically said, "I'm in deep shiat and I need your help". Carl saved her ass. Rick brought her in. Herschel patched her up. And then she finds out that they want to go for Glen and Maggie, which gives her the perfect opportunity to get revenge on Merle and get Andrea out of there.

She has every reason to help them.


I know we're supposed to understand that her and Andrea were together for eight months, but it would be nice if they could give the viewer a little something to see why Michonne is so loyal to this idiot. How was Andrea anything more than dead weight? And don't tell me it was because Michonne liked having someone to talk to, because we all know she doesn't do that! She wouldn't even explain to Andrea, "Hey, pretty sure these guys murdered a bunch of Guardsmen, and the Gov. is a psycho."
 
2012-11-26 04:09:21 PM

cousin-merle: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Also how did we (in a matter of a few weeks) go from commenting on how Woodbury has it's own black guy and a asian guy to thinking said black guy is now Tyreese?

You are confusing two different black guys. The black guy from a few weeks ago was uncredited & played by Travis Love, someone I have never heard of. The new black guy, speculated to be Tyreese, is played by Chad Coleman who was on The Wire. He will supposedly appear for the first time next episode, although I couldn't tell which black guy was coming off the wall in this episode. They all look the same to me.


No, I'm pointing out that some people seem confused between two different black actors. I'm fairly capable of recognizing a person, regardless of race. The Travis Love character you speak of and the guy with the bow and beard on the wall were one and the same. I'd expect Tyreese would be introduced at the prison or on the way back, making him one of the Governor's henchman seems like a cheap concept.
 
2012-11-26 04:10:03 PM

born_yesterday: it would be nice if they could give the viewer a little something to see why Michonne is so loyal to this idiot.


Isn't it obvious? They were banging.
 
2012-11-26 04:25:53 PM

that bosnian sniper: Jgok: He's doing the opposite; keeping them dependent on him and his crew so they don't ask questions.

Enough exposure and training to make sure people don't shiat their pants, run around in circles, get themselves bitten, compromise security and cause the entire situation to turn to pot out of sheer incompetence, sure. But on the other hand, to sustain anything approaching a civilized, orderly existence, a group of people is going to need division of labor. The unfortunate corollary of that is you are going to end up with people who aren't trained, full-time zombie-killers.

If I were in the Governor's position, I'd want the people who aren't zombie-killers out of the way, and not getting themselves and everyone else killed, if things go sideways.


Oh sure... I'm not talking about turning everyone into full-time ass-kickers, but they really need to understand what kind of world they're in. It seems like most of them are doing their best to forget anything outside the walls, and the Gov is encouraging that. Basic knowledge like how to make duct tape sleeves, where to hit a walker for a kill shot, simple melee skills, and some kind of shooting skills are a necessity in this world.

As it stands, if his competent guards are taken out the town is defenseless. If Rick & Co breach the wall and lead a dozen walkers inside, how many civilians would the Gov lose before the guards could show up to help?
 
2012-11-26 04:29:39 PM

T.M.S.: Yes. It was unbelievably lazy writing. But not nearly as contrived as Daryl sharing how his mom died with Carl. That was ridiculous.


How was that lazy, or contrived? It was clumsily done, sure, but maybe that was function of the awkwardness. I felt it was totally appropriate for Daryl to try and comfort Carl by sharing his own story, not because he knows (or even thinks) it'll help, but simply because he feels compelled to say something, considering what the kid's gone through. The result is that, clearly, nothing he can say will change the facts, which Carl bluntly points out. There are many instances of lazy/cost-effective writing in tWD, but I don't think that was one of them. Hell, it was one of the better 'character moments' they've done that wasn't centred on or around an immediate death/danger.
 
2012-11-26 04:33:31 PM

cousin-merle: The new black guy, speculated to be Tyreese, is played by Chad Coleman who was on The Wire. He will supposedly appear for the first time next episode, although I couldn't tell which black guy was coming off the wall in this episode. They all look the same to me.


That was confirmed. Coleman is Tyreese.

Link.

Fun fact: Chad Coleman was also the voice of Coach in Left 4 Dead 2.
 
2012-11-26 04:33:39 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Merle

I think one of the things you're neglecting here is Merle's motivation to get the hell away from Michonne. He'd just had his nose broken, group ripped apart, and nearly lost it to a walker. I can't imagine he was in a mood for diplomacy with Glenn and Mags.

 
2012-11-26 06:17:57 PM

Loomy: I felt it was totally appropriate for Daryl to try and comfort Carl by sharing his own story, not because he knows (or even thinks) it'll help, but simply because he feels compelled to say something, considering what the kid's gone through.


Daryl did not know Carl had shot his mom when he told his story. The writers were too lazy/ incapable of properly motivating that scene. It was cheap to assume the viewer would piggy-back Carl's emotion into the moment for Daryl.
 
2012-11-26 06:47:54 PM

T.M.S.: Loomy: I felt it was totally appropriate for Daryl to try and comfort Carl by sharing his own story, not because he knows (or even thinks) it'll help, but simply because he feels compelled to say something, considering what the kid's gone through.

Daryl did not know Carl had shot his mom when he told his story. The writers were too lazy/ incapable of properly motivating that scene. It was cheap to assume the viewer would piggy-back Carl's emotion into the moment for Daryl.



Didn't he? I guess I assumed Maggie let everyone in on what happened while Rick was rampaging his issues out. I felt he (Daryl) was trying to let the kid know that he's not alone, and that he can share his pain with others if he needs to. Carl, of course (and as always), is trying to be the big man when it seems to him that his dad can't handle it, so he rebuffs the attempt. I thought the Carol-in-the-closet thing was a whole lot dumber, personally, but that was a plot contrivance, rather than an issue with dialogue/characterization, so it's not quite the same.

Fwiw, I'm not just trying to be contrary - it irks me when characters don't react to a scene the way we've come to expect them to, if the only reason is b/c the writers had no better way to introduce the coming subject. That's what I'm understanding to be your issue with the scene; I just don't feel the same.

/At least he didn't tell him the story before her death - I think I hate clumsy "foreshadowing" even more...
 
2012-11-26 06:48:30 PM

Jgok: Well, from the scenes inside the town I get the impression that the guys who took out the guardsmen were the only tough/ruthless/competent guys in Woodbury. That puts their complement of "fighters" at what? 10, maybe 12 guys?


Subtract 3 after the botched hunt for Michonne.


HotIgneous Intruder: damn. red zone.
so that's why it's called that.


The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
 
2012-11-26 07:11:00 PM

MoronLessOff: Michone knows enough about Andrea's group to put together that the prison gang is the same Andrea was with at the farm house. She's going to fill in Rick and they'll form a rescue party which will head to Woodbury by the end of the episode, leaving us at a cliff hanger. Andrea will not find out about Glen's capture yet.

My thoughts.


Nice Jorb
 
2012-11-26 07:53:03 PM

Tencolin: Merle is a survivor. I agree that he's not a coward, but look how he retreated when he went after Michonne in the woods. He knew that she posed a distinct threat after she took out the rest of his crew, so much that he killed one of his own when he refused to retreat and lie to the governor about what happened


I still don't understand that scene. Michonne takes out 2 of the guys, runs off, gets winged. At that point the 4th guy wants to run off, but Merle calls him a pussy, and forces him to join him chasing after Michonne. In other words, regardless of the resistance, he's going after her. They have an encounter with her and a bunch of walkers, they kill the walkers, Michonne disappears again. Nothing has changed from the previous situation. It's still Merle + 1 other guy vs a wounded Michonne. But now suddenly Merle wants to give up (and, coincidentally, the 4th guy changes his position too). Why? I have a hard time believing that encountering a couple walkers would be enough to make him give up chasing her.

The other annoyance is, of course, the silence of Michonne. I understand that she might not trust these new people, and might just be using them to get Andrea back (for whatever reason), but I don't understand why she wouldn't mention that Glenn seemed to know Merle. She was close enough to overhear the whole conversation they had. Having it come up in the middle of their assault is more likely to be damaging to her cause than being upfront about it.
 
2012-11-26 08:07:48 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Broktun: Fark_Guy_Rob: The Governor and his well trained armed goons (the ones that took out the army guys) are all impressed that the other group cleared out a prison? Why?

Merle said it couldn't be done.

Also, the gov does not know the size of the prison gang.

Yeah - but I don't get why Merle would say it couldn't be done? Merle is a lot of things; but he's not a coward or weak. He has a stronger team than Rick with more equipment and gear. And Rick's team had no trouble killing the walkers. They only ran into problems when living people actively sabotaged the prison.

before

My guess is Merle didn't want to. He was a lowlife criminal before the apocalypse and mentioned being in prison before. Things you don't really want to do anyway always seem more difficult
 
2012-11-26 08:19:54 PM
The only motivation I can discern for Michonne's attachment to the blond woman is a sort of Private Ryan thing. Perhaps she has decided keeping Andrea alive no matter what is to pay for the rest of her sins. It's only possible to focus on doing one good thing in a bad world yadda, yadda.

Don't buy they are boning. Too easy.
 
2012-11-26 08:21:02 PM

Bhruic: Tencolin: Merle is a survivor. I agree that he's not a coward, but look how he retreated when he went after Michonne in the woods. He knew that she posed a distinct threat after she took out the rest of his crew, so much that he killed one of his own when he refused to retreat and lie to the governor about what happened

I still don't understand that scene. Michonne takes out 2 of the guys, runs off, gets winged. At that point the 4th guy wants to run off, but Merle calls him a pussy, and forces him to join him chasing after Michonne. In other words, regardless of the resistance, he's going after her. They have an encounter with her and a bunch of walkers, they kill the walkers, Michonne disappears again. Nothing has changed from the previous situation. It's still Merle + 1 other guy vs a wounded Michonne. But now suddenly Merle wants to give up (and, coincidentally, the 4th guy changes his position too). Why? I have a hard time believing that encountering a couple walkers would be enough to make him give up chasing her.

The other annoyance is, of course, the silence of Michonne. I understand that she might not trust these new people, and might just be using them to get Andrea back (for whatever reason), but I don't understand why she wouldn't mention that Glenn seemed to know Merle. She was close enough to overhear the whole conversation they had. Having it come up in the middle of their assault is more likely to be damaging to her cause than being upfront about it.


all the bang bang bang bang bang would have attracted more dead folks than merle wanted to deal with. he ain't stupid. plus, he's scared of scary black sword lady
 
2012-11-26 08:46:03 PM
Something bares considering about the Governor's "scared" reaction to the news about the prison: What, exactly, does he fear? I don't think he's scared of losing the town, I think he's scared of losing his power. Through all his carrot-and-stick, charming-yet-vaguely-menacing BS, he's consistently been portrayed as a psychopathic, sadistic control freak. Anything that threatens that control is an enemy to him. To me, that fits more with how he handled the guardsmen. There's a strong, well-organized group in a defensible position near him. People who aren't him have power. That bothers the hell out of a man like that. Just because the Ricktatorship may not be a military threat doesn't mean they're not a personal one.
 
2012-11-26 08:47:22 PM

Last Man on Earth: Something bears considering


FTFM
 
2012-11-26 09:15:46 PM

Bhruic: I still don't understand that scene. Michonne takes out 2 of the guys, runs off, gets winged. At that point the 4th guy wants to run off, but Merle calls him a pussy, and forces him to join him chasing after Michonne. In other words, regardless of the resistance, he's going after her. They have an encounter with her and a bunch of walkers, they kill the walkers, Michonne disappears again. Nothing has changed from the previous situation. It's still Merle + 1 other guy vs a wounded Michonne. But now suddenly Merle wants to give up (and, coincidentally, the 4th guy changes his position too). Why? I have a hard time believing that encountering a couple walkers would be enough to make him give up chasing her.


And yet after killing Neal he ends up chasing Michonne anyway and finding Glen and Maggie.
 
2012-11-26 09:29:48 PM
What an actual writer from AMC's "The Walking Dead" might look like...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-26 09:53:21 PM

Jgok: If I was in the Governor's place, I'd be putting the regular townsfolk up against those de-teethed biters in a kind of training session. I'd have mandatory archery sessions for EVERYONE (exceptions made for one-armed rednecks with bayonet prosthetics). I would do my damndest to make sure every towns person knew what to do if a walker got inside the walls. He's doing the opposite; keeping them dependent on him and his crew so they don't ask questions.



His absolute power is what keeps the people safe. We have already heard several stories where one person acting on their own got a whole group killed.

Jgok: Oh sure... I'm not talking about turning everyone into full-time ass-kickers, but they really need to understand what kind of world they're in. It seems like most of them are doing their best to forget anything outside the walls, and the Gov is encouraging that. Basic knowledge like how to make duct tape sleeves, where to hit a walker for a kill shot, simple melee skills, and some kind of shooting skills are a necessity in this world.


This sounds about right. It should go something like fire safety training. Everyone should know how to use a fire extinguisher, but all you really need to know is how to spot a fire, get to safety, and call 911 so the professionals can deal with it. You should fear fire, but you shouldn't panic when you see it.
 
2012-11-26 09:59:43 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: buffalosoldier: Dogs have been depicted at least three times. Once, scavenging in atlanta, the three chihuahuas owned by the vatos, and a golden retriever in woodbury.

- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Darabont era Season one, before budget cuts
- Mazzara era Season three, after budget cuts

Like others, I don't even remember the golden retriever.

What I don't get is, how are we supposed to believe that zombies are fast enough to chase and eat dogs and cats? it's like how single zombies are allegedly able to chase down deer. Come on, now. Zombies are single-minded right up until they're distracted by the next shiny thing or loud noise, in this show.


Zombie 1 sees a deer, walks towards it, and the deer runs. The deer easily outruns zombie 1, but the deer makes a bit of noise and zombie 2 walks towards the deer. The deer easily outruns zombie 2, but the deer makes a bit of noise and zombie 3 walks towards the deer ... The deer easily outruns zombie N, but the deer makes a bit of noise and zombie N+1 walks towards the deer. The deer is exhausted, falls over, and dies. Zombie N+1 eats the deer. 

With this strategy, you can chase down and kill anything.
 
2012-11-26 10:11:52 PM

The Banana Thug: kumanoki: IronTom: Chill out, ye paranoid hermits...

No.
We saw what happened this week to a paranoid hermit.

I'd love to know the story behind that hermit. How the fark did he survive out there on his own for so long? Did he even know a zombie apocalypse was going on? Strange that he threatened to call the cops.


and why did he live with a smelly dead dog?
 
2012-11-26 10:13:49 PM

The_Time_Master: fusillade762: Just finished watching: damn I have a serious lump in my stomach.

Anyone else notice the first shot of the Woodbury guard on the wall? His rifle barrel seemed REALLY bent.

The Governor actually seems scared. I'm actually kinda hoping for a wholesale slaughter of everyone in the town. Does that make me a bad person?

I noticed the bent barrel too!


yep
 
2012-11-26 10:20:28 PM

Madbassist1: MoronLessOff: Michone knows enough about Andrea's group to put together that the prison gang is the same Andrea was with at the farm house. She's going to fill in Rick and they'll form a rescue party which will head to Woodbury by the end of the episode, leaving us at a cliff hanger. Andrea will not find out about Glen's capture yet.

My thoughts.

Nice Jorb


Holy crap! I forgot I posted this. What do I win?
 
2012-11-26 11:48:19 PM
I just thought of something: how are they planning to get everyone back to the prison? Surely they don't think they can cram six people into that Hyundai?
 
2012-11-27 12:32:10 AM
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2012-11-27 02:10:25 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: BizarreMan: Something else to consider about the National Guardsmen that the Governor took out. They were not expecting anything dangerous to come out of the encounter. They haven't run into enough bad men to be paranoid when a stranger comes up to them like that.

What I don't get is how the hermit was able to survive for so long, being apparently so whacked out.

That just made me feel bad for the guy. Though it was a useful trope in that it demonstrated how killing someone is not necessarily related to good guy vs. bad guy. That guy was just freaked out and in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I wouldn't argue it was wrong to kill him: if he had gotten out they would have ALL been farked.


Rick totally handled that wrong, the same way Rick handled Michonne wrong (grabbing her wound and squeezing/shaking it while making a threat to her - what the fk Rick??!). Rick is being turned into a douche this season.

The hermit dude is yet ANOTHER survival character who should be brought into the fold and protected. Humanity should be adding to their numbers, even if you never really see them again, not killed wantonly for short-term survival bullshiat.

The other weird thing about the hermit was that they noticed a smell.. and it was the dog on the floor, right? Why was the dead thing on the floor? Why would the hermit not trash it so as not to attract zombies and bears and flies and other critters (since Zombies are still not the only thing out there that can kill you)?

That whole scene was just mishandled for the sake of gore, instead of actual character building. Like, the hermit was just plopped down there specifically to die, not to have any logic about why he was there. Maybe he's a stand-in for the priest in the comic.. but the priest in the comic had a reason for being where he was and surviving as he did.

Bring Darabont back.
 
2012-11-27 02:20:31 AM

The Banana Thug: MoronLessOff: I think it's safe to assume that the bar scene in season 2 involved an unknown number of the Woodbury crew. How many trucks/guns/people did they have agains Rick, Glen and Herschel? And Rick's crew got out of the situation with a prisoner. Woodbury is not equipped to handle a competent assault.

Was that the Woodbury people? I thought that was a separate group of survivors? The impression that I got was Herschel's farm was quite a bit of ways away from the Prison and Woodbury area, otherwise Herschel and Maggie, being locals, would have taken the group to the prison a LOT earlier than the 8 months it actually took (given the length of Lori's pregnancy). No way the Woodbury people would go that far out of their comfort zone.


To be honest, I wouldn't head to the prison for the same reason Merle didn't want to go to the prison (his dislike of his previous stays there pre-ZA not withstanding). The prison would just be heading to a school-refuge-camp times 100 -- bad news. Very, very, very bad news. Not heading to the prison would be the last of last ditch efforts if one can't make it to the coast or to a military post. The group held out for as long as they could not to have to go there.

Heading to prison is like having it finally kick in that there is no hope, you know? That this shiat is not just for real, but that it's for keeps, its for life. Or death.

As for the governor, the only reason to want to clear out the prison isn't to take Woodbury there, but to gain all the supplies. And then have it as a secondary base. As a place to do experiments. As a dungeon. Interrogation spot. Work camp. As a place to do all the bad shiat that Woodbury craves but doesn't really want to see out in the light of day. Because you still need Woodbury for 'normalcy'. There is no normalcy to holing up in a prison. Carrot and stick crap. I don't know, maybe not.

I wish Andrea was less dickmatized.

We need to see more of the real Woodbury, how people *really* feel, those who aren't close to the Governor, more of the Dr. Stephens of the town.
 
2012-11-27 02:26:25 AM

cousin-merle: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Also how did we (in a matter of a few weeks) go from commenting on how Woodbury has it's own black guy and a asian guy to thinking said black guy is now Tyreese?

You are confusing two different black guys. The black guy from a few weeks ago was uncredited & played by Travis Love, someone I have never heard of. The new black guy, speculated to be Tyreese, is played by Chad Coleman who was on The Wire. He will supposedly appear for the first time next episode, although I couldn't tell which black guy was coming off the wall in this episode. They all look the same to me.


I thought Woodbury black guy was Schubert or Schovert? He has a name .. .here we go, "Schupert". It's mentioned in the episode where he guards Michonne and Andrea at the hospital, his first episode.
 
2012-11-27 10:05:24 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Wicked Chinchilla: BizarreMan: Something else to consider about the National Guardsmen that the Governor took out. They were not expecting anything dangerous to come out of the encounter. They haven't run into enough bad men to be paranoid when a stranger comes up to them like that.

What I don't get is how the hermit was able to survive for so long, being apparently so whacked out.

That just made me feel bad for the guy. Though it was a useful trope in that it demonstrated how killing someone is not necessarily related to good guy vs. bad guy. That guy was just freaked out and in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I wouldn't argue it was wrong to kill him: if he had gotten out they would have ALL been farked.

Rick totally handled that wrong, the same way Rick handled Michonne wrong (grabbing her wound and squeezing/shaking it while making a threat to her - what the fk Rick??!). Rick is being turned into a douche this season.

The hermit dude is yet ANOTHER survival character who should be brought into the fold and protected. Humanity should be adding to their numbers, even if you never really see them again, not killed wantonly for short-term survival bullshiat.

The other weird thing about the hermit was that they noticed a smell.. and it was the dog on the floor, right? Why was the dead thing on the floor? Why would the hermit not trash it so as not to attract zombies and bears and flies and other critters (since Zombies are still not the only thing out there that can kill you)?

That whole scene was just mishandled for the sake of gore, instead of actual character building. Like, the hermit was just plopped down there specifically to die, not to have any logic about why he was there. Maybe he's a stand-in for the priest in the comic.. but the priest in the comic had a reason for being where he was and surviving as he did.

Bring Darabont back.


The hermit scene reminded me of War of the Worlds. The scene w/Tim Robbins is right out of the novel (minus Dakota Fanning). Main character (never named in the book/Tom Cruise) holes up in a basement w/another man (again, not named in the book) as the machines roam the landscape. They're trapped, surrounded by Martians, and the other guy starts freaking out. Main character bashes his head in w/a shovel to shut him up.

The hermit scene wasn't there for just gore, it was another entry into the show's evolving (and the comic's well-documented) theme: How far will you move the goalposts of your own humanity to survive? I'll agree that the hermit scene was handled badly--how has the guy not noticed his cabin's been surrounded for months by zombies and why the hell was he sharing it w/a dead dog? Was he originally a survivalist type who finally snapped when his dog died and was now completely detached from reality? We could have used more exposition there and it was poor, sloppy writing but the point was an important one to make. In the comic, the zombies aren't the walking dead. Rick's group is. The zombies aren't the antagonists, they're just a plot device. The real story is watching the characters having to make the least awful choice available to them. Like Shane killing Otis. Do I drag this 300+ lb wounded guy with me while I can barely walk, endangering both of us and possibly not getting the supplies Carl needs to survive? Or do I kill him so the zombies will slow down enough for me to get this stuff back to the farm? Sorry, Otis.
 
2012-11-27 12:22:11 PM

brigid_fitch: I'll agree that the hermit scene was handled badly--how has the guy not noticed his cabin's been surrounded for months by zombies and why the hell was he sharing it w/a dead dog?


I thought that part was fine, personally. The one thing the zombie apocalypse won't lack, I'm sure, are people who are no longer sane enough to function in whatever society digs itself from the flesh-starved masses. The hermit was completely bugshiat insane, and Michonne "had" to put him down to save them all.

Then look, out of nowhere is a clear back door they can run out while throwing the dead hermit out the door to "cover" their escape...through the back door that is totally clear.
 
2012-11-27 01:38:38 PM

fusillade762: I just thought of something: how are they planning to get everyone back to the prison? Surely they don't think they can cram six people into that Hyundai?


LotsO'LapSitting.

I call dibs on Michonne.

/dat ass
 
2012-11-27 01:58:12 PM
i dont see why everyone i so upset that they ran out the back door and there were no walkers. the walkers chased them into the front door, why would they be at the back door?
 
2012-11-27 05:16:35 PM

that bosnian sniper: I thought that part was fine, personally. The one thing the zombie apocalypse won't lack, I'm sure, are people who are no longer sane enough to function in whatever society digs itself from the flesh-starved masses. The hermit was completely bugshiat insane, and Michonne "had" to put him down to save them all.


Think about all the people who can no longer get the meds they need to survive. I'll have a raging case of acid reflux. But that's not going to kill me. The diabetics they're gonna be in trouble. The people with their anti-psychotics or high blood pressure meds. They're screwed.
 
2012-11-27 06:48:07 PM

gittlebass: i dont see why everyone i so upset that they ran out the back door and there were no walkers. the walkers chased them into the front door, why would they be at the back door?


That would be because the fact there was a back door that was completely clear entirely defused the drama and tension of the scene, and negated its entire point.

It would be as if...hell, I dunno...at the end of Alien when everybody but Ripley was dead, she'd just casually strolled over to the computer and instead of blowing up the Nostromo, simply pushed a button that released xenomorph-killing gas into the ship. It just kind of leaves the viewer there, thinking "well, what was the point of that?".
 
2012-11-28 11:43:13 AM

that bosnian sniper: gittlebass: i dont see why everyone i so upset that they ran out the back door and there were no walkers. the walkers chased them into the front door, why would they be at the back door?

That would be because the fact there was a back door that was completely clear entirely defused the drama and tension of the scene, and negated its entire point.

It would be as if...hell, I dunno...at the end of Alien when everybody but Ripley was dead, she'd just casually strolled over to the computer and instead of blowing up the Nostromo, simply pushed a button that released xenomorph-killing gas into the ship. It just kind of leaves the viewer there, thinking "well, what was the point of that?".


If they just go out the back door and keep going that direction, it takes them away from where they are trying to go. However they can't just run past them as the horde was blocking that way. Crazy Hermit = Distraction. They now can run back in the direction they WANT to go with little to no problems.
 
2012-11-28 01:11:26 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: that bosnian sniper: gittlebass: i dont see why everyone i so upset that they ran out the back door and there were no walkers. the walkers chased them into the front door, why would they be at the back door?

That would be because the fact there was a back door that was completely clear entirely defused the drama and tension of the scene, and negated its entire point.

It would be as if...hell, I dunno...at the end of Alien when everybody but Ripley was dead, she'd just casually strolled over to the computer and instead of blowing up the Nostromo, simply pushed a button that released xenomorph-killing gas into the ship. It just kind of leaves the viewer there, thinking "well, what was the point of that?".

If they just go out the back door and keep going that direction, it takes them away from where they are trying to go. However they can't just run past them as the horde was blocking that way. Crazy Hermit = Distraction. They now can run back in the direction they WANT to go with little to no problems.


Maybe they didn't immediately realize that there was a back door.
 
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