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(Deadline)   It was a record-breaking Thanksgiving at the box office, with Breaking Dawn 2, Skyfall, and Lincoln occupying the top three spots while Red Dawn proves that not all remakes are a good idea   (deadline.com) divider line 41
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2012-11-25 02:42:30 PM
fark inflation.
 
2012-11-25 03:14:18 PM

Mugato: fark inflation.


For you Link
 
2012-11-25 03:16:15 PM
'Red Dawn' was such a product of it's time, I'm not sure how it could have been remade.
 
2012-11-25 03:22:16 PM
The original "Red Dawn" was atrocious and the studio opted to green light a remake. WTF?!
 
2012-11-25 03:36:40 PM
With such great projects like the re-make of Red Dawn it's hard to believe MGM went through bankruptcy.
 
2012-11-25 03:38:12 PM
At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.
 
2012-11-25 03:44:20 PM
I wasn't sure about "Skyfall" until about halfway through, when it started to get better. Pretty good Bond flick, overall. Javier Bardem seems to be a sucker for directors putting him in atrocious hairstyles, though.
 
2012-11-25 03:45:43 PM

Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.


The ads make me think "Life of Pi" is a hippy dippy New Age epic, which would suck, so I'll have to do some googling.
 
2012-11-25 03:52:53 PM
WOLVERINES!
 
2012-11-25 03:56:45 PM
 
2012-11-25 04:16:37 PM

theorellior: Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.

The ads make me think "Life of Pi" is a hippy dippy New Age epic, which would suck, so I'll have to do some googling.


Roger Ebert gave it 4/4 and articulated what the movie was about pretty well if that helps.
 
2012-11-25 04:21:04 PM

MFAWG: 'Red Dawn' was such a product of it's time, I'm not sure how it could have been remade.


I'm just glad MGM went belly up before they could get to Dr. Strangelove.
 
2012-11-25 04:27:20 PM

theorellior: Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.

The ads make me think "Life of Pi" is a hippy dippy New Age epic, which would suck, so I'll have to do some googling.


It isn't a Chinese love story, so how good can it be?

/because the only thing he is known for is Chinese love story, or so I learned from the other Ang Lee thread
 
2012-11-25 04:35:05 PM

ng2810: I'll just leaves this over here and weep for humanity in the other room....


Meanwhile...

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-25 05:07:44 PM
Lincoln was absolutely excellent. Daniel Day-Lewis might be a witch. He's scary good.
 
2012-11-25 05:10:23 PM

legion_of_doo: theorellior: Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.

The ads make me think "Life of Pi" is a hippy dippy New Age epic, which would suck, so I'll have to do some googling.

It isn't a Chinese love story, so how good can it be?

/because the only thing he is known for is Chinese love story, or so I learned from the other Ang Lee thread


The Chinaman's love story is not the issue here.
 
2012-11-25 05:41:30 PM
There is purportedly a remake of Lawrence of Arabia in the works. That's bad. What may be a sign of the end times is the Sparkly Vampire douche is the lead.
 
2012-11-25 05:42:39 PM

Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.


I hated the book. A terrible survival story by an amateur author, and the message about how we should believe in God because a fairy tale is more entertaining than reality was the icing on the shiat cake.
 
2012-11-25 05:44:00 PM

MoonPirate: There is purportedly a remake of Lawrence of Arabia in the works. That's bad. What may be a sign of the end times is the Sparkly Vampire douche is the lead.


They can always get Peter O'Toole to reprise his role.
 
2012-11-25 05:50:41 PM

MoonPirate: There is purportedly a remake of Lawrence of Arabia in the works. That's bad. What may be a sign of the end times is the Sparkly Vampire douche is the lead.


Da fuq?

IF you are going to commit heresy and remake that movie, there is only one possible choice for the lead:

www.weylandindustries.com
 
2012-11-25 05:51:17 PM

Fallout Boy: Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.

I hated the book. A terrible survival story by an amateur author, and the message about how we should believe in God because a fairy tale is more entertaining than reality was the icing on the shiat cake.


Did you eat the shiat cake? It sounds like you ate the shiat cake.
 
2012-11-25 05:51:46 PM

Mad_Radhu: MoonPirate: There is purportedly a remake of Lawrence of Arabia in the works. That's bad. What may be a sign of the end times is the Sparkly Vampire douche is the lead.

Da fuq?

IF you are going to commit heresy and remake that movie, there is only one possible choice for the lead:

[www.weylandindustries.com image 720x801]


I concur.
 
2012-11-25 06:11:48 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-25 06:16:32 PM

Fallout Boy: Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.

I hated the book. A terrible survival story by an amateur author, and the message about how we should believe in God because a fairy tale is more entertaining than reality was the icing on the shiat cake.


I quit halfway through. I didn't think the writing was that bad but I agree that the "spiritual" angle was grating.
 
2012-11-25 06:18:42 PM
I got dragged to Breaking Dawn. Nothing the fark happened. Even the 10 minute battle at the end didn't happen. WTF? Skyfall was good.
 
2012-11-25 06:36:27 PM
I saw "Silver Linings Playbook" over the break. Great film from start to finish. Jennifer Lawrence is undoubtedly the sexiest and the most talented actress of her generation. Bradley Cooper is great in this as well.
 
2012-11-25 06:56:47 PM
"Lincoln" proved to me how awesome James Spader is (not like I needed much convincing).
 
2012-11-25 07:00:49 PM
I like both the original and new red dawn. They are both enjoyable and different movies.
 
2012-11-25 07:15:01 PM

Uncle Pooky: I saw "Silver Linings Playbook" over the break. Great film from start to finish. Jennifer Lawrence is undoubtedly the sexiest and the most talented actress of her generation. Bradley Cooper is great in this as well.


This.
 
2012-11-25 08:18:23 PM

theorellior: Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.

The ads make me think "Life of Pi" is a hippy dippy New Age epic, which would suck, so I'll have to do some googling.


It's a decent survival novella sandwiched in between preachy nonsense about how you absolutely have to come to a decision about whether or not there's a god, even if the author provides zero explanation as to why this is necessary or what this god is about.

/wanted to punch Martel after that last chapter
 
2012-11-25 08:47:46 PM

fusillade762: Fallout Boy: Summoner101: At least Life of Pi is getting good reviews. I'll have to go check it out now.

I hated the book. A terrible survival story by an amateur author, and the message about how we should believe in God because a fairy tale is more entertaining than reality was the icing on the shiat cake.

I quit halfway through. I didn't think the writing was that bad but I agree that the "spiritual" angle was grating.


I saw the trailer before SKYFALL, and I had absolutely no idea what it was about. It was just a bunch of beautifully
composed CGI sequences that gave away nothing about what the plot that could string them together could possibly
be.
 
2012-11-25 11:36:52 PM
Lincoln was decent, mostly because Day-Lewis, Field, and Jones were awesome. The script was all over the place. Kushner beats the viewer over the head with his point, and he really didn't do well with the Robert Lincoln subplot or Mary Todd's characterization.
 
2012-11-26 12:35:48 AM

theorellior: I wasn't sure about "Skyfall" until about halfway through, when it started to get better. Pretty good Bond flick, overall. Javier Bardem seems to be a sucker for directors putting him in atrocious hairstyles, though.


That was him? I honestly thought it was that guy from Mad TV.
 
2012-11-26 12:45:36 AM

Psychohazard: Uncle Pooky: I saw "Silver Linings Playbook" over the break. Great film from start to finish. Jennifer Lawrence is undoubtedly the sexiest and the most talented actress of her generation. Bradley Cooper is great in this as well.

This.


This squared. That's going to be a big player at awards time. Betting against a crowdpleaser like that typically isn't wise.
 
2012-11-26 05:58:45 AM

ng2810: I'll just leaves this over here and weep for humanity in the other room....


That is just sad. I really don't know how to respond to these comments.
 
2012-11-26 08:24:45 AM
Question:

I saw the original Red Dawn and even at the age of @15 had a hard time gasping how a superpower that we were constantly watching and spying on could secretly mass and mobilize the required amount of troops and weapons to successfully invade and occupy the US, not to mention overpowering the millions of citizens with weapons caches and hunting/military skills (heck, Alabama alone would be a challenge for any conventional army - for some reason they chose Colorado so they would be instantly surrounded and have poor options for falling back).

How in the fark did this happen in modern times? The Noth Korean military can't even misfire a target rifle or launch an inflatable raft without our knowledge. And overpowering the citizens and occupying a land mass the size of the US? A country that is less than 1/10 our population and can barely afford to equip it's outdated (albeit large) military? Sure they have a big army, but who would be left to protect the homeland. It seems ridiculous. And who the hell wants Spokane?

Do I just need to suffer through the film to find out?
 
2012-11-26 09:05:36 AM

Apos: The original "Red Dawn" was atrocious


In what way?

It was actually a carefully thought-out film, internally consistent, and balanced in that it shows the good side of the bad guys and the bad side of the good guys. It's also fairly anti-war: All of the Wolverines die within 6 months of the invasion except for 2, who only survive by running away. If you break it down, after the invasion they hide for a month or two, then have some success against rear echelon second string Cuban occupation troops, and they get slaughtered within a month of the Russians getting serious about hunting them down.

You could have shown that movie in the old Soviet Union with only very minor changes: Remove the tacked-on monologue at the end, showing the American flag waving over Partisan Rock, and slightly changing some of the dialogue. Very slightly.
 
2012-11-26 09:50:13 AM

AxL sANe: Question:

I saw the original Red Dawn and even at the age of @15 had a hard time gasping how a superpower that we were constantly watching and spying on could secretly mass and mobilize the required amount of troops and weapons to successfully invade and occupy the US, not to mention overpowering the millions of citizens with weapons caches and hunting/military skills (heck, Alabama alone would be a challenge for any conventional army - for some reason they chose Colorado so they would be instantly surrounded and have poor options for falling back).


I can't speak to the new film, but you have to have read the intro to the original movie:

Prologue/Opening Narration: Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years... Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade... Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall... Greens Party gains control of West German Parliament. Demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil... Mexico plunged into revolution... NATO dissolves. United States stands alone.

That means we'd have been basically left with satellite observation, because with NATO dissolved, we'd have lost much of our SIGINT capability looking into the Warsaw Pact. We'd have lost Field Station Berlin, and Field Station Augsburg, Bad Aibling Station, and numerous others. Probably would have lost some in Asia, too, like those in South Korea, Thailand, Japan, etc., though the prologue doesn't specifically mention that, it does say that the "United States stands alone", which implies that Misawa in Japan, Ramasun station in Thailand, Clark AB in the Philippines, Sinop in Turkey, and also in Korea were all shut down.

That would have prevented the US from gathering much information about a possible invasion, especially relatively short-range HF communications that aren't amenable to interception by satellite, because the ionosphere reflects those signals back to Earth and absorbs the oblique ones, so there is little or nothing to intercept at even low Earth orbit.

Also, remember that at the time the film was made (1982-1983), most photorecon satellites were film return types, and those provided the best resolution. That means a delay in getting the information, perhaps up to several weeks. 

Also, like what happened with Pearl Harbor, we may have known they were planning *SOMETHING*, but without specific information on where and when they would hit, you really can't guard against it. Maybe the Soviets put out false information that they were planning an amphibious assault on one or both coasts, when what they really planned was an assault through Alaska and down through Canada, and up through Mexico. We did much the same thing in WWII against the Germans, making them think we were going to invade in the Calais area instead of at Normandy.

You really can't answer those questions, though, because what you see in the original Red Dawn is a teeny-tiny inconsequential piece of a huge, unprecedented military operation, that uses the combined military might of the Soviet Union, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, and others I have no doubt missed, against the United States, the United Kingdom, and a nuclear holocaust ravaged People's Republic of China, which at the time had a relatively primitive military. Neither the PRC nor the UK would be in the position to send troops to the US to help kick out the invaders.

And yes, the actions of the "Wolverines" in Red Dawn were inconsequential: The Soviets took "strategic mountain passes in the Rockies", of which Calumet was one, in order to maintain their supply lines. At the last scene in Red Dawn, the trains are still running, still shipping military supplies to the front lines for the Soviets.

Nothing they did mattered in the end.
 
2012-11-26 11:10:13 AM

dittybopper: AxL sANe: Question:

I saw the original Red Dawn and even at the age of @15 had a hard time gasping how a superpower that we were constantly watching and spying on could secretly mass and mobilize the required amount of troops and weapons to successfully invade and occupy the US, not to mention overpowering the millions of citizens with weapons caches and hunting/military skills (heck, Alabama alone would be a challenge for any conventional army - for some reason they chose Colorado so they would be instantly surrounded and have poor options for falling back).

I can't speak to the new film, but you have to have read the intro to the original movie:

Prologue/Opening Narration: Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years... Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade... Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall... Greens Party gains control of West German Parliament. Demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil... Mexico plunged into revolution... NATO dissolves. United States stands alone.

That means we'd have been basically left with satellite observation, because with NATO dissolved, we'd have lost much of our SIGINT capability looking into the Warsaw Pact. We'd have lost Field Station Berlin, and Field Station Augsburg, Bad Aibling Station, and numerous others. Probably would have lost some in Asia, too, like those in South Korea, Thailand, Japan, etc., though the prologue doesn't specifically mention that, it does say that the "United States stands alone", which implies that Misawa in Japan, Ramasun station in Thailand, Clark AB in the Philippines, Sinop in Turkey, and also in Korea were all shut down.

That would have prevented the US from gathering much information about a possible invasion, especially relatively short-range HF communications that aren't amenable to interception by satellite, because the ionosphere reflects those signals back to Earth and absorbs the oblique ones, s ...




OK - I can kind of buy into that. But the remake seems based on an utterly ridiculous series of circumstances.
 
2012-11-26 11:41:37 AM
To be a good remake you need the following:

1. The original was in Black and white.

2. Everyone that made the film should be dead.

3. Everyone that saw the film should be dead.

4. The film must be over 50 years old at least.


None of them apply.. Don't do it.
 
2012-11-26 11:43:07 AM

AxL sANe: OK - I can kind of buy into that. But the remake seems based on an utterly ridiculous series of circumstances.


Yeah, I'm probably gonna wait and just rent it when it comes out on video.
 
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