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(SeattlePI)   Man outraged that his ex-wife would give their daughter marijuana pills to combat the effects of her chemotherapy because it turned her into a total stoner. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"   (seattlepi.com) divider line 107
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2012-11-25 04:36:22 AM  
7 votes:
As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?
2012-11-25 11:25:27 AM  
5 votes:

Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!


Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(
2012-11-25 11:06:44 AM  
5 votes:
My friend's son is 11 and battling a brain tumor and all he does is play video games, and thats wtihout any medical marijauna. I think kids just like to play video games
2012-11-25 11:05:13 AM  
5 votes:
This isnt about his objection to pot. This is about him using this as a tool to try to fark over his ex. Again, "loving" parents putting the kid in the middle.
2012-11-25 12:42:25 PM  
4 votes:

WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.


It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.
2012-11-25 11:49:56 AM  
4 votes:
FTA: "She's not terminally ill," Comstock said. "She is going to get over this..."

According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".

Mom sounds like a stoner. Dad sounds like dick. Kid seems like a kid with cancer who is doing her best to try to behave like a normal kid with cancer. Would be nice to hear she "gets over it", but I wouldn't bet the pot farm on it.
2012-11-25 11:47:14 AM  
4 votes:
tukatz: Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.

Call me crazy, but I'd much rather have the kid stoned out of her gourd 24/7 than living with the effects of chemo. I've seen a kid going through chemo, and it ain't pretty.
2012-11-25 11:17:44 AM  
4 votes:
FTA: "She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

Dude, she's like, SEVEN YEARS OLD! What's she supposed to be doing? Checking the want ads for work? Lay off, nitwit.
2012-11-25 11:16:48 AM  
4 votes:
OMFG... dude. Did it ever occur to you that the reason she's laying around listless and tired is because she HAS LEUKEMIA!?

ffs
2012-11-25 09:19:40 AM  
4 votes:

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.


you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.
2012-11-25 04:59:25 AM  
4 votes:
She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.

And this is where the article made me want to slap the shiat out of the mother. Maybe the drugs should be administered by somebody who is not a whackadoodle pothead. Mom doesn't sound too bright.
2012-11-25 02:53:48 PM  
3 votes:

Weaver95:
it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


That's (as far as we know) true for adults, but NOT for children. Review the fMRI research into the adult brains of people who smoked heavily as teens. Their brains do develop differently. How much of that difference amounts to damage is, admittedly, currently unknown.

OTOH, chemo damages absolutely everything, from brain to bones. It's just a not-quite-fatal dose of a poison that happens to be a little more poisonous to the cancer cells than your normal cells. What that crap is doing to the poor kid's brain is anyone's guess, but it beats dying of leukemia at age 7.

If she was my little girl, I'd certainly consider cannabis, but I'd need to do more research. Zofran is pretty good at nausea control as well, approximately equal in my personal experience, and is approved for kids. But I don't know how much we know about long-term pediatric use.

That cannabis dose seems creepily high for a child. But if I built up gradually to that level, and that's what it took to give her relief and Zofran was ruled out for some reason, I guess I'd end up there myself rather than letting her vomit herself to death. I see no comfortable, easy answers here.
2012-11-25 12:52:15 PM  
3 votes:

Melvin Lovecraft: If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort.


If it were my kid and the mother had the kid on a drug that she hadn't told the kid's doctors about, I would be pretty pissed off.

It doesn't help that the mother is figuring the dosage herself and it sounds like she might very well be a shiat-for-brains with no math skills.
2012-11-25 12:15:56 PM  
3 votes:

dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


OK, as someone else pointed out, this sounds like religion rather than science. If they said "It doesn't do what normal pot would do because it contains only some of the components present in pot, but not all of them", then they might have had a valid point. Also, isn't farking with people's brains expected? Isn't that why marijuana is so popular for non-medical reasons in the first place?

If laboratory purified THC doesn't have the desired medical properties, then it must be because THC is not the active ingredient that you are looking for and you need to look at one of the other substances contained in marijuana. This would be good news for patients who want to fight nausea, but also want to be able to drive and hold down a job.
2012-11-25 12:04:07 PM  
3 votes:
I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.
2012-11-25 11:37:59 AM  
3 votes:

netweavr:
That's a silly assertion. There is an LD50 for every substance, hell, enough water will kill a person.


do you know what sort of levels we're talking about here? cannabis is, for all practical purposes, harmless. I suppose that if you strapped someone down and force fed them pot brownies for a month then maybe there might possibly be some adverse aftereffects...but mostly they'd just get fat from the other ingredients in the brownies.
2012-11-25 11:17:55 AM  
3 votes:

iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,


I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.
2012-11-25 11:09:47 AM  
3 votes:
All I heard from the father was "I hate my ex-wife and I want custody".
2012-11-25 11:05:54 AM  
3 votes:

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


Didn't you know chemotherapy gives kids energy and a huge appetite? What have you been reading?

/If she can handle chemo, she can probably handle cannabis.
2012-11-25 10:58:49 AM  
3 votes:
Well, what's the problem with laying in bed playing video games? Have you SEEN the games out? Between Skyrim, the new Assassins Creed, Hitman, new GTA...I could spend the next 6 months in bed.
2012-11-25 10:58:32 AM  
3 votes:
In a just world, both of these wonderful parents would be fighting cancer instead of the little girl
2012-11-25 09:29:35 AM  
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.

And this is where the article made me want to slap the shiat out of the mother. Maybe the drugs should be administered by somebody who is not a whackadoodle pothead. Mom doesn't sound too bright.


Well, did the pot help the daughter? If so, I'd say the mom nailed it.
2012-11-25 03:23:06 PM  
2 votes:
Lay in bed and play video games? Thor's Blessed Hammer! Do you know what that means? That means that nearly every single teenage boy in America is a dope fiend!
2012-11-25 02:09:00 PM  
2 votes:

Communist_Manifesto: And I live in CO right now know some REALLY successful people who also happen to be heavy pot smokers. Neither of our anecdotes are data, t least mine doesn't sound like a tired old stereotype.


Things are further muddled by the inescapable fact that some proportion of under-achieving marijuana users have been impaired more by a criminal record (student loans, range of employment available...) than the drug itself. Successful heavy pot smokers are probably going to be more likely to keep it discrete and avoid law enforcement entanglements...
2012-11-25 01:58:00 PM  
2 votes:

mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...


And I live in CO right now know some REALLY successful people who also happen to be heavy pot smokers. Neither of our anecdotes are data, t least mine doesn't sound like a tired old stereotype.
2012-11-25 12:45:11 PM  
2 votes:

Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.


Same for when idiots say there is coke and heroin in ecstasy pills
2012-11-25 12:35:26 PM  
2 votes:

citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.


So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)
2012-11-25 12:30:47 PM  
2 votes:

Happy Hours: How many joints are in a lid?


Two.

/I roll big joints.
2012-11-25 12:26:46 PM  
2 votes:
Mykayla's mother credits the drug for the leukemia's remission.

[...]

Many doctors worry about introducing a child to marijuana when they say other drugs can treat pain and nausea more effectively. Purchase believes marijuana heals, and credits the drug for curing her stepfather's skin cancer.

She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.

When her symptoms are especially bad, Mykayla's mother and her mother's boyfriend will feed her cannabis-infused food. She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints.

Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment.


DERP.

This is the problem here in the US. It would be totally fine and a good idea to legalize marijuana entirely, but then you get all these assholes (most west of the Mississippi, fortunately) who don't pay much attention to clinical trials and misuse medical ideas and terms to cram as much as possible into what was designed as a narrow, humanitarian type of exception. This, in combination with the concurrent tendency of these people to believe in such bullshiat as homeopathy, biodynamism, acupuncture (as anything other than a weak placebo mechanism), etc., is contributing to the idiotification of the US just as surely as the god-botherers pushing creationism into science textbooks.
2012-11-25 12:09:01 PM  
2 votes:
While I do know that marijuana has been shown to decrease the negative effects of chemo but the person making the decision shouldn't be the mother who is obviously a pot head.
2012-11-25 12:06:43 PM  
2 votes:
Any drug used to combat pain, nausea or anxiety has "downer" side effects. As long as the side effects are mild to moderate, it isn't necessarily a bad thing. One of my biggest frustrations in dealing with families of very sick people is that they don't realize that an uncomfortable body can't use resources to heal itself the way a comfortable body can. Calm and reasonably still with no physical or emotional stress is the optimal "healing" state. The kid has the right idea.
2012-11-25 12:00:14 PM  
2 votes:

pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."


It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)
2012-11-25 11:56:30 AM  
2 votes:
Iv'e been undergoing chemotherapy for the past six months,the effects are cumulative.
The first few months it's not too bad,but then it gets worse,there are days when I don't have the energy to do much.
I'm almost done,then I can get back to some semblance of normality.
By the way,when they administer the chemo IV the nurse wears a protective gown and mask,I asled why,
she said that the chemo would burn through thier clothes and burn thier skin,also if spilled ,a hazmat crew needs to come in to clean
it.
Fun stuff.
2012-11-25 11:50:27 AM  
2 votes:

red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!


This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."
2012-11-25 11:37:04 AM  
2 votes:

mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.


LD50 levels are impossible to achieve by smoking due to metabolization during the time period needed and due to needed to breathe oxygen as well.
2012-11-25 11:36:51 AM  
2 votes:

tukatz: Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.



But not as stupid a delusional religious crackpots thinking 'God' will cure their child by denying them medical treatment, prolonging their suffering.
2012-11-25 11:14:23 AM  
2 votes:
I am for using whatever is best to reduce the ill effects of chemotherapy. But I am not for parents just deciding what medicine will be best for their kids and administering at will.

Also, I don't think one parent has the right to give the kid some non doctor approved treatment without consulting the other parent.

I'm not against medical marijuana but the mom sounds a little irresponsible to me. They aren't even telling their doctor about this treatment.

And according to all of the research I have seen marijuana is harmless to adults, but it has not undergone any testing on children, learning, or specifically to be used to treat a child's chemotherapy symptoms. Medicine is not as simple as 'well it worked for adults so there will be no ill effects for anyone!' Unless there have been studies, in which case I take back everything I said and good for mom for trying to make her kid feel better.
2012-11-25 11:13:45 AM  
2 votes:
It sounds like a case of overprotective father meets addicted mother. The real truth actually lies in the middle here (what else is a chemotherapy patient going to do, gymnastics??), and both sides are pretty extreme. Dad's probably getting his information from AM radio and mom's probably too far gone up her own ass to listen to anybody but her biased boyfriend.
2012-11-25 11:11:45 AM  
2 votes:

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.


It just really depends on the THC concentration. I've seen oils that are extremely high concentration (70-80% +), and some that are very low (less than 10%). So unless they did a chemical analysis on the oil, there's no way to know.
2012-11-25 11:10:48 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


BUT EVIL POT!!!

fark, I'm jealous of those Washington and Colorado guys with their legal recreational weed. Up to an an ounce without a problem. And I'm absolutely for driving-while-high laws. That's reasonable.
2012-11-25 11:08:27 AM  
2 votes:

lobotomy survivor: "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.


No shiat. The night I got Dragon Force for the Saturn, I ordered a pizza and didn't stop playing until the morning sun was coming through the window.
2012-11-26 05:49:57 PM  
1 votes:

Amberleia: I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.


Know that some doctors will refuse to prescribe Marijuana ANYTHING because of personal reasons.
Just like a pharmacist might deny dispensing the "Day After Pill" because of their personal beliefs.
2012-11-25 11:52:17 PM  
1 votes:
First off, it's leukemia. She's lucky if she LIVES long enough to suffer the long-term affects of the drugs she's taking right now.

Secondly, IT'S FARKING LEUKEMIA. If the stuff helps her eat and sleep with the added benefit, yes benefit, of making this whole thing suck a lot less I say go for it.

Just watch the concentrations. A little kid probably doesn't need anywhere near the amount an adult does to be effective. And contrary to whatever the hippy-dippy mom thinks, that stuff isn't going to cure squat.
2012-11-25 08:44:03 PM  
1 votes:

doglover: Frederick: for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.

It's worth about 5-10 years in PMITA in Japan, for some odd reason. I wanna go to WA and CO now.


Me too, buddy.
2012-11-25 04:57:06 PM  
1 votes:
A note to the mom. Pot isn't some magic herb. It isn't curing your daughter. The chemo is doing that. The pot is making it possible for her to tolerate the chemo, though.
2012-11-25 04:33:59 PM  
1 votes:

Loren: There's also the issue of dosing--when you smoke it you can do a much better job of calibrating the dose to your symptoms than you can with a pill or suppository. (Yes, marinol comes in suppositories--what good is an anti-nausea pill for someone who can't keep it down?)


This is what I hear too, from my relative who is on it - and was quite familiar with regular recreational smoking method before ever getting a prescription.

The oil pills are (1) crazy expensive, and (2) often "too much" of not quite the right thing. According to him, there can be a "headspace feels weird" going on but without any proper nice "high" feeling either. Before using pills, he would sometimes smoke but if that wasn't an option where we were, he'd eat some brownies taken along for the purpose. With those methods, you can take a bit at a time (one puff, one bite, whatever). The standard single dose pills for adults are kinda large amount, I guess.

Alas the state is not cool with all kinds of home gardening, so... pills it is.

If the kid in TFA is actually complaining about head feeling weird and it not being pleasant, could be she just needs a smaller dose. Either way yeah the mom probably should be more open about all of it with the kid's doctors.

I've never taken any marijuana pills myself, but I have been on opiates for pain (back problems!) and was told that the liver-damaging part of that is the tylenol they mix in, and they mix it in specifically to put a consequence on abuse so that addicts don't go too overboard. Dunno. All I can say though is while I was on a very small dose, it made it really hard to pee AND had me motion sick just sitting around the house (that side effect hits me HARD, apparently) and so I had to take Dramamine just to be able to sit and do anything remotely productive at all.
2012-11-25 03:30:19 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: That means that nearly every single teenage boy in America is a dope fiend!


You know, if you apply the propaganda speech from fear and loathing in las vegas, it would apply to teenage boys almost wholly with the exception of tea-shades being out of fashion:

"KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of Tea-Shades, But his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck. - The Chief"
2012-11-25 02:50:06 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?

Came here to say this


Not according to the folks with MDs.

/Because yeah, if the doctor's saying no, then she should not be taking that stuff. And never in those amounts.
//The amount of brain growth in childhood is pretty astounding. Farking it up with ANYTHING is a bad idea. If marijuina absolutely HAS to be used, which the doctors say it doesn't, then it should be at the lowest possible dose like any other pain medication given to a child.
2012-11-25 02:35:15 PM  
1 votes:

dopekitty74: mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.

That's quite a possibility. I'm not well versed in the psychology of drugs. It certainly seems to make sense.

Or maybe they've discovered that money and having material crap doesn't equal happiness, while chilling to good tunes and spending time shooting the shiat and enjoying the company of your friends, or your pets DOES make one happy.


Also a factor that needs to be considered.

When I first heard this causal question, it had nothing to do with pot. It was about mental disorders and heavy drug addiction (like coke and meth), and it was asking why there are an inordinate amount of heavy drug addicts that also have mental disorders (I think schizophrenia was one of the major ones).

It's pretty rare that I hear this causal question with pot - at least in the scientific circles I associate with. Most of my colleagues don't care about pot being dangerous, mostly because there's so little to worry about.
2012-11-25 02:26:58 PM  
1 votes:

AndreMA: mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint

PCP on a joint is plausible...


Also, she only knows because of what she was told afterwards, so she could been told wrongly.

What she does know is that she had a really bad hallucinogenic trip, something she's never had from just smoking pot, which she did daily for several years.
2012-11-25 02:25:51 PM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.

That's quite a possibility. I'm not well versed in the psychology of drugs. It certainly seems to make sense.


Or maybe they've discovered that money and having material crap doesn't equal happiness, while chilling to good tunes and spending time shooting the shiat and enjoying the company of your friends, or your pets DOES make one happy.
2012-11-25 02:23:58 PM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint


PCP on a joint is plausible...
2012-11-25 02:23:24 PM  
1 votes:

dopekitty74: mgshamster: dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.

I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.

Laced with acid? Weird.. Acid's normally an ingestible or absorbable, never heard of smoking it....


I'm pretty sure it's impossible to smoke is why you've never heard of it. If you smoke something and trip it was probably DMT, PCP or Ketamine.
2012-11-25 02:11:18 PM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: Her asshole incredibly stupid boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.


Immediately destroying with heat fragile molecules that I paid good money for always gives me a good laugh too.
2012-11-25 02:09:26 PM  
1 votes:
Cannabis saves lives. The father probably wants the girl to die so he can get out from under those child support and health care payments.
2012-11-25 02:07:18 PM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.

I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.


People who force psychedelic experiences on unsuspecting people are real assholes. That can really fark with someones mind. Not to mention that's a great way to waste lsd because any attempt to light lsd on fire would result in its immediate destruction. Even exposing lsd to light ruins it, it's a very fragile chemical.
2012-11-25 01:44:12 PM  
1 votes:

JBLars: lid


UpTheIrons66: Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?

Um.. Two! I roll big joints!!!


Seriously? It took that long for someone to get the answer right?

/Fark, I am disappoint.
2012-11-25 01:43:07 PM  
1 votes:

Night2o1: mgshamster: dopekitty74: pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."

It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.

There is more going on in cannabis than the THC they've synthesized and placed into the marinol pill. Its been clearly established that ingesting marinol is not an experience like smoking or eating cannabis. I'm sure you can put 2+2 together and realize that, hey, marinol may actually have significantly different effects than the traditional methods of administration. 

So the fact that you didn't take into account the complexity of going from a naturally occurring substance, clasically ingested for myriad reasons, to an isolated synthetic form of one component of said substance, is a big red flag that you don't know what you're taking about.


Of course there's more going on, and that's exactly the point. Mj has more than one type of cannibonoid, compared to marinol's 99.9% delta-9-thc. And earlier I did talk about the difference between routes of exposure. That's where the difference lies; not with synthetic vs natural. Where the chemicals are produced has no effect.

But there are people who honestly believe that just because something is made in a lab, it's automatically either less effective medically and/or more dangerous toxicologically.

/I'm probably the only actual toxicologist in this thread.
//Anyone else out there?
2012-11-25 01:36:22 PM  
1 votes:
Well when my buddy went to chemo, he pretty much just laid in bed and played video games or watched movies. He stayed over a couple of weekends just to get out of his parent's house, and we did not do much (which was fine by me because I could drink and he couldn't). Hell weed might have made the weekends a bit more interesting.
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2012-11-25 01:24:15 PM  
1 votes:

buster_v: OMFG... dude. Did it ever occur to you that the reason she's laying around listless and tired is because she HAS LEUKEMIA!?

ffs


Seriously, what an asshole. If my mom HAD eaten or smoked during cancer treeatments she may have just sat around and played videogames instead of starve nearly to death from loss of appetite and generally just laying around feeling sh*tty.
2012-11-25 01:18:10 PM  
1 votes:

Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?


Um.. Two! I roll big joints!!!
2012-11-25 01:09:07 PM  
1 votes:

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


That was my thought, also. I've only seen one person on chemo, they were pretty farked up.

Guntram Shatterhand: It sounds like a case of overprotective father meets addicted mother. The real truth actually lies in the middle here (what else is a chemotherapy patient going to do, gymnastics??), and both sides are pretty extreme. Dad's probably getting his information from AM radio and mom's probably too far gone up her own ass to listen to anybody but her biased boyfriend.


I'm not sure it's overprotective. More likely badly misinformed. Otherwise I agree with you.

mgshamster: Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.


Thalidomide is an odd one. IIRC it's actually safe, the evil was done by a stereoisomer that tagged along. (This is common when making such molecules, it's hard to avoid having 50% left and 50% right. Normally the other molecule is biologically inert.)

dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


Yup, that's my understanding also--it's not as effective as the natural version. That likely means that there's another molecule in the real stuff that helps also.

There's also the issue of dosing--when you smoke it you can do a much better job of calibrating the dose to your symptoms than you can with a pill or suppository. (Yes, marinol comes in suppositories--what good is an anti-nausea pill for someone who can't keep it down?)
2012-11-25 01:04:37 PM  
1 votes:

pciszek: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Is it known which of these compounds supreses nausea? Reduces pressure inside of the eyeballs of glaucoma patients? Gets people high?

All the claims I have heard for medical marijuana have been overly broad--advocates think it cures everything, sort of like the mom in this article. What specific, reputable medical claims are made for it besides the nausea and glaucoma relief?


Bad genes and a job with repetitive lifting has left me with 6 herniated vertebrae, 2 of which have been since surgically fused. While I'm far better now than I was before surgery, I still live in constant pain and have the occasional bad day where I can barely move.

Unfortunately, I'm also extremely drug sensitive and often suffer from the 'in rare cases' side effects. Hydrocodone, for instance, will leave me with blurry, double vision, dizziness, nausea, and vomiting. A few drugs do work for pain, but they generally leave me in a completely vegetative, non-functioning state.

Marijuana doesn't stop the pain, it makes me not care that it's there and allows me to function far, far better than anything else.

I don't care what compounds of it work, I just know that it helps me function, has virtually no negative side effects, I can take only as much as is needed and, unlike the opiates my doctors love to prescribe me, it's not addictive, there is no withdrawal, and it won't destroy my liver.
2012-11-25 01:02:23 PM  
1 votes:

Godscrack: tukatz: Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.


But not as stupid a delusional religious crackpots thinking 'God' will cure their child by denying them medical treatment, prolonging their suffering.




Um, yeah. But you're aiming at the wrong target. I'm not religious and I never mentioned religion.
2012-11-25 12:57:57 PM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: My favorite is those who claim that doing scientific tests to determine proper doses for mj is bad because then it becomes western medicine.


Or those who complain that all the legal midwives have medical training, because they specifically want one who doesn't have any medical training.
2012-11-25 12:56:47 PM  
1 votes:
Next time good ol' dad comes for a visit, make sure she is withering on the bathroom floor, her guts sufficiently vomited into the toilet bowl. Make sure she is pale, not smiling, not eating and barely able to talk. Then he can get that good old fashioned warm feeling that his daughter is suffering just right, and he can jump on the next plane home with a smile.

/warms the cockles of my heart.
//someone should smash him in the cockles
2012-11-25 12:47:30 PM  
1 votes:

Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.


Is it known which of these compounds supreses nausea? Reduces pressure inside of the eyeballs of glaucoma patients? Gets people high?

All the claims I have heard for medical marijuana have been overly broad--advocates think it cures everything, sort of like the mom in this article. What specific, reputable medical claims are made for it besides the nausea and glaucoma relief?
2012-11-25 12:39:43 PM  
1 votes:

pciszek: cryinoutloud: But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her.
I thought the whole point of taking medical marijuana during chemotherapy is that it does make you want to go and eat pizza.


I think it's more like it keeps you from barfing your lungs out after you've eaten half a bowl of soup, but I've only known one person well who went through chemo, and she didn't take pot for it. She probably should have. It couldn't have been any worse than what I saw that woman go through.
2012-11-25 12:38:20 PM  
1 votes:

Sum Dum Gai: Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.


Not just nicotine, too. Isn't it something like 500 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke? Meanwhile, to my knowledge pot has never been conclusively linked to a single case of cancer where the user only smoked pot. (open to reading studies that say otherwise if someone can find one..)
2012-11-25 12:37:06 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


I bet I could mess you up pretty good with a pot stalk
2012-11-25 12:35:19 PM  
1 votes:

pciszek: Melvin Lovecraft: According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".

I thought that was what "in remission" meant.

Unless you mean "get over without medical intervention", in which case I agree, that is extremely rare. "Spontaneous remission" is medical-speak for "the patient got better on their own", but it doesn't happen very often.


It seems to me that the term "in remission" means "it's still there but not growing". Dad's claim of "getting over it" implies that it will go away, like a cold. Not a doctor, but I don't think cancer works that way.

If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort. He hears "marijuana" and goes all "Reefer Madness" about it, failing to see (as has been pointed out) that in spite of her condition, his daughter's behavior is relatively normal. I guess he'd be happier if she was just listless, gaunt and nauseous.
2012-11-25 12:32:32 PM  
1 votes:
"All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

She's a kid. And also doing chemotherapy. Cut her some slack.
2012-11-25 12:29:09 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.


Why would that matter? The mode of ingestion has nothing to do with the safety of the substance ingested. That's like saying you shouldn't drink Pepsi when pregnant because drinking alcohol could harm the baby, and you're swallowing the liquids in the same manner.

Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.
2012-11-25 12:23:19 PM  
1 votes:
I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.
2012-11-25 12:20:46 PM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her.


I thought the whole point of taking medical marijuana during chemotherapy is that it does make you want to go and eat pizza.
2012-11-25 12:13:55 PM  
1 votes:

Abox: dopekitty74: Abox: raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?

That's kind of the point of medical marijuana. Help you feel normal. And yes, even when you're using it for that, if you have enough, you still get high :)


I thought medical marijuana was a euphamism for marijuana.


While some people would prefer it that way, there are actually quite a number of people out there who want it for medical purposes. My mother-in-law finally started taking it (after years of my wife and I suggesting it) for her chronic back pain (she has to go in for minor back surgery about once ever three months and is in significant pain for the following few weeks, but the surgery makes the pain mostly go away for a few months and allows her to walk). Before pot, she would had to rotate between different opiates which would have some pretty severe side effects (not to mention having to come off of dependency of them each time, which is also painful).
2012-11-25 12:13:54 PM  
1 votes:

pciszek: doglover: Oil is not 10 times stronger, it's concentrated to an unknown level above the leaves but the strength of the THC is the same

"Vodka is not 10x stronger; it's concentrated to an unknown level above beer, but the strength of the alcohol is the same."

See how that works? Yes, THC is THC, but if you have more of it per unit weight (or volume, either one works) then any reasonable person would call that "stronger".


It depends on how it is ingested and what sort of solvent is used, but with no other variables, has oil is obviously indeed stronger than its leafy counterpart.
2012-11-25 12:13:51 PM  
1 votes:

ZzeusS: The father, Jesse Comstock, said his concerns were prompted by a visit with Mykayla in August.
"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."
She probably just didn't want to talk to you. Are you an asshole? It sounds like you are an asshole.
took Mykayla to a private lab, where technicians detected THC levels of an adult daily marijuana user.
"It's going to limit her options in life because of the decisions her mother has made for her," he added.
I'm smelling asshole.


Douchebag parents always use the "but I'm just concerned about our child!" angle. I'm sure the kid wasn't affected at all by being dragged to a lab to have a THC test while she was sick with cancer, or by being told that her life is already being permanently compromised by her taking THC pills, when she's seven farking years old. And how does he know she's not "terminally ill?" She has leukemia--last I heard, it can be fatal.

"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

I'm sure you're such a macho guy that you wouldn't be brought down by a little thing like cancer and chemotherapy--after all, you work in the OIL FIELDS--but guess what--that sort of thing can make a person pretty damn sick. But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her. Farking biatch. Both of them.
2012-11-25 12:05:54 PM  
1 votes:

Melvin Lovecraft: According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".


I thought that was what "in remission" meant.

Unless you mean "get over without medical intervention", in which case I agree, that is extremely rare. "Spontaneous remission" is medical-speak for "the patient got better on their own", but it doesn't happen very often.
2012-11-25 12:02:36 PM  
1 votes:

dopekitty74: pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."

It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.
2012-11-25 11:58:03 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Oil is not 10 times stronger, it's concentrated to an unknown level above the leaves but the strength of the THC is the same


"Vodka is not 10x stronger; it's concentrated to an unknown level above beer, but the strength of the alcohol is the same."

See how that works? Yes, THC is THC, but if you have more of it per unit weight (or volume, either one works) then any reasonable person would call that "stronger".
2012-11-25 11:56:46 AM  
1 votes:

Abox: raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?


That's kind of the point of medical marijuana. Help you feel normal. And yes, even when you're using it for that, if you have enough, you still get high :)
2012-11-25 11:50:34 AM  
1 votes:

Landis: mgshamster: Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,

I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.

Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.

Thalidomide was an abortive in rats and mice. At least one of the enantiomers was, but I can't remember if it was R- or S-Thalidomide. Either way it was the same one that caused mutations and prevented miscarriage in humans.


Doesn't matter which enantiomer. It interconverts in the body, so if you take one, then you will have the other.

And I'm pretty sure the original research showed it to be harmless (which shows more to the lack of good methodology than anything about the chemical itself). Of course, later research revealed the problems, but the original I don't believe did.
2012-11-25 11:47:21 AM  
1 votes:
Ex-husbands are always a reliable and unbiased source for newspaper articles.
2012-11-25 11:45:28 AM  
1 votes:

crozzo: offmymeds: FTA: "She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

Dude, she's like, SEVEN YEARS OLD! What's she supposed to be doing? Checking the want ads for work? Lay off, nitwit.

There are some who think sick people should just lie around in bed all day. Doctors overprescribing, I say. Sick people can perform useful work as doorstops, paperweights, wheel chocks, the list is endless. In a disaster, the desperately ill can be used as sandbags. Hurricane Sandy would have been nothing more than an abnormally high tide if the deathly ill among us were no longer molly-coddled by overedumacated doctors.

Get them out of the hospital, let the fresh air get in those stitches.


Still sore you lost the election eh, Mitt?
2012-11-25 11:44:07 AM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,

I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.

Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.


Thalidomide was an abortive in rats and mice. At least one of the enantiomers was, but I can't remember if it was R- or S-Thalidomide. Either way it was the same one that caused mutations and prevented miscarriage in humans.
2012-11-25 11:38:49 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Everyone knows you're not supposed to drink wine while pregnant; why would grape juice be any different?

Hey now! Smoking is still smoking; it is known that smoking cigarettes is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? It could be harmless, but, how would you feel if that child had any adverse effects?

I don't know, one way or the other; but it seems like an unnecessary risk.


It's known that inhaling cigarette smoke is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? Who knows what inhaling oxygen could do?
Ehh
2012-11-25 11:30:58 AM  
1 votes:
Ahem: All she wanted to do was lie on the bed. Set a better example, Dad.
2012-11-25 11:27:43 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?


Everyone knows you're not supposed to drink wine while pregnant; why would grape juice be any different?
2012-11-25 11:26:45 AM  
1 votes:
iheartscotch:, Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,
.


They might be different because they're completely different chemicals that the user's ingesting, maybe?

The thing in the article that stood out to me was the complete lack of any actual medical opinion, other than the 'some doctors say,' which is pretty much complete baloney.
2012-11-25 11:25:59 AM  
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Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis THC to damage the human body.


I'm a daily smoker. Quit for a few weeks recently due to travels....and my lungs were in pretty rough shape as they cleared out. Though not all smoke is created equal, any smoke inhaled in concentrated form is going to damage the human body to some extent. Time for me to get a vaporizer.

THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.
2012-11-25 11:25:38 AM  
1 votes:
Purchase believes marijuana heals, and credits the drug for curing her stepfather's skin cancer.
She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.
When her symptoms are especially bad, Mykayla's mother and her mother's boyfriend will feed her cannabis-infused food. She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints.



Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.
2012-11-25 11:24:23 AM  
1 votes:

Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!


Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.

There is a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Getting old sucks, huh? I used to be able to function on less than 4 hours of sleep; now I get craby if I have less then 8. Your body changes as you age; your 40 year old body may still think like it's 20, but if you do something to overexert yourself; you'll feel it in the morning.
2012-11-25 11:21:20 AM  
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The father, Jesse Comstock, said his concerns were prompted by a visit with Mykayla in August.
"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."



She probably just didn't want to talk to you. Are you an asshole? It sounds like you are an asshole.


took Mykayla to a private lab, where technicians detected THC levels of an adult daily marijuana user.

Gladstone police contacted

"It's going to limit her options in life because of the decisions her mother has made for her," he added.




I'm smelling asshole.
2012-11-25 11:16:33 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?


Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!
2012-11-25 11:10:50 AM  
1 votes:
i474.photobucket.com
people dying from cancer and taking chemotherapy
tend to be weak and tired and lay around and not do much.
2012-11-25 11:04:51 AM  
1 votes:
"All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.
2012-11-25 11:00:05 AM  
1 votes:
Mean Girls popped into my head after reading the headline.

Mr. Duvall: Did your teacher ever try to sell you marijuana or ecstasy tablets?
Aaron Samuels: No.
Kevin Gnapoor: What are marijuana tablets?
2012-11-25 10:57:53 AM  
1 votes:
I'm so proud of this kid. She's actually ready for Total Fark.
2012-11-25 09:01:16 AM  
1 votes:
Oh look, a medical marijuana thread. This is sure to be full of rational discussion an well-thought out arguments.

/grabs popcorn
2012-11-25 06:31:32 AM  
1 votes:
That's all *I* want to do and I'm not even a stoner.
2012-11-25 05:02:31 AM  
1 votes:

Frederick: "no", and then go on to explain "yes".



Oil is not 10 times stronger, it's concentrated to an unknown level above the leaves but the strength of the THC is the same; joints are not a standardized unit of measurement; and 1.5 x 10 does not equal 10. I stand by no.

Frederick: for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.


It's worth about 5-10 years in PMITA in Japan, for some odd reason. I wanna go to WA and CO now.
2012-11-25 04:47:27 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.


Thats a confusing reply; you say "no", and then go on to explain "yes". Also, for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.
2012-11-25 02:55:23 AM  
1 votes:
FTA:

Purchase believes marijuana heals, and credits the drug for curing her stepfather's skin cancer.
She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.


Sounds legit.
2012-11-25 02:51:00 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.


Once it hits the anus, they're bound to find out.
2012-11-25 02:49:09 AM  
1 votes:

Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?


No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.
2012-11-25 02:42:53 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.
 
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