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2012-11-25 12:00:14 PM

pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."


It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)
 
2012-11-25 12:02:36 PM

dopekitty74: pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."

It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.
 
2012-11-25 12:04:07 PM
I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.
 
2012-11-25 12:05:13 PM

dopekitty74: Abox: raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?

That's kind of the point of medical marijuana. Help you feel normal. And yes, even when you're using it for that, if you have enough, you still get high :)



I thought medical marijuana was a euphamism for marijuana.
 
2012-11-25 12:05:54 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".


I thought that was what "in remission" meant.

Unless you mean "get over without medical intervention", in which case I agree, that is extremely rare. "Spontaneous remission" is medical-speak for "the patient got better on their own", but it doesn't happen very often.
 
2012-11-25 12:06:43 PM
Any drug used to combat pain, nausea or anxiety has "downer" side effects. As long as the side effects are mild to moderate, it isn't necessarily a bad thing. One of my biggest frustrations in dealing with families of very sick people is that they don't realize that an uncomfortable body can't use resources to heal itself the way a comfortable body can. Calm and reasonably still with no physical or emotional stress is the optimal "healing" state. The kid has the right idea.
 
2012-11-25 12:09:01 PM
While I do know that marijuana has been shown to decrease the negative effects of chemo but the person making the decision shouldn't be the mother who is obviously a pot head.
 
2012-11-25 12:10:12 PM

LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant?

iheartscotch: There is a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

iheartscotch: Hey now! Smoking is still smoking

iheartscotch: Why risk smoking pot if it could hurt the unborn child?

iheartscotch: I don't know if she did or not

I like you; you're funny.


Funny how? Am I a clown? Do I amuse you?
 
2012-11-25 12:11:46 PM

spidermilk: Also, I don't think one parent has the right to give the kid some non doctor approved treatment without consulting the other parent.


A doctor approved the girl for medical marijuana treatment.
 
2012-11-25 12:12:44 PM

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


I knew people on chemo, you had to tie them to bed or vooom! they'd be skiing, skateboarding and all

/dad's an AW
//get better soon kid
 
2012-11-25 12:13:51 PM

ZzeusS: The father, Jesse Comstock, said his concerns were prompted by a visit with Mykayla in August.
"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."
She probably just didn't want to talk to you. Are you an asshole? It sounds like you are an asshole.
took Mykayla to a private lab, where technicians detected THC levels of an adult daily marijuana user.
"It's going to limit her options in life because of the decisions her mother has made for her," he added.
I'm smelling asshole.


Douchebag parents always use the "but I'm just concerned about our child!" angle. I'm sure the kid wasn't affected at all by being dragged to a lab to have a THC test while she was sick with cancer, or by being told that her life is already being permanently compromised by her taking THC pills, when she's seven farking years old. And how does he know she's not "terminally ill?" She has leukemia--last I heard, it can be fatal.

"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

I'm sure you're such a macho guy that you wouldn't be brought down by a little thing like cancer and chemotherapy--after all, you work in the OIL FIELDS--but guess what--that sort of thing can make a person pretty damn sick. But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her. Farking biatch. Both of them.
 
2012-11-25 12:13:54 PM

pciszek: doglover: Oil is not 10 times stronger, it's concentrated to an unknown level above the leaves but the strength of the THC is the same

"Vodka is not 10x stronger; it's concentrated to an unknown level above beer, but the strength of the alcohol is the same."

See how that works? Yes, THC is THC, but if you have more of it per unit weight (or volume, either one works) then any reasonable person would call that "stronger".


It depends on how it is ingested and what sort of solvent is used, but with no other variables, has oil is obviously indeed stronger than its leafy counterpart.
 
2012-11-25 12:13:55 PM

Abox: dopekitty74: Abox: raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?

That's kind of the point of medical marijuana. Help you feel normal. And yes, even when you're using it for that, if you have enough, you still get high :)


I thought medical marijuana was a euphamism for marijuana.


While some people would prefer it that way, there are actually quite a number of people out there who want it for medical purposes. My mother-in-law finally started taking it (after years of my wife and I suggesting it) for her chronic back pain (she has to go in for minor back surgery about once ever three months and is in significant pain for the following few weeks, but the surgery makes the pain mostly go away for a few months and allows her to walk). Before pot, she would had to rotate between different opiates which would have some pretty severe side effects (not to mention having to come off of dependency of them each time, which is also painful).
 
2012-11-25 12:15:02 PM

Amberleia: I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.


I agree. This sounds like a case where mom thinks she knows more than the doctors. If it not been the pot use and mom had used other natural means like licorice, ginseng, dandelion, which is used in Chinese herbal medicine to treat symptoms, people would be calling her a nuts. But since it's pot, people are bending over backwards to say how safe it is completely ignoring that the child's doctors don't even know she is on it.
 
2012-11-25 12:15:56 PM

dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


OK, as someone else pointed out, this sounds like religion rather than science. If they said "It doesn't do what normal pot would do because it contains only some of the components present in pot, but not all of them", then they might have had a valid point. Also, isn't farking with people's brains expected? Isn't that why marijuana is so popular for non-medical reasons in the first place?

If laboratory purified THC doesn't have the desired medical properties, then it must be because THC is not the active ingredient that you are looking for and you need to look at one of the other substances contained in marijuana. This would be good news for patients who want to fight nausea, but also want to be able to drive and hold down a job.
 
2012-11-25 12:17:06 PM
"All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

He says that like it's a bad thing.
 
2012-11-25 12:20:46 PM

cryinoutloud: But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her.


I thought the whole point of taking medical marijuana during chemotherapy is that it does make you want to go and eat pizza.
 
2012-11-25 12:21:12 PM

Mentalpatient87: MoronLessOff: lobotomy survivor: "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.

No shiat. The night I got Dragon Force for the Saturn, I ordered a pizza and didn't stop playing until the morning sun was coming through the window.

Pff, noob. You let a little thing like dawn stop your gaming marathons?


Heh. It was the first time I stayed up that late gaming. It must have been around 6 AM when I figured I should try to at least get some sleep. Now on my days off, I'll go until about 1-3 before I call it.
 
2012-11-25 12:23:19 PM
I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.
 
2012-11-25 12:26:46 PM
Mykayla's mother credits the drug for the leukemia's remission.

[...]

Many doctors worry about introducing a child to marijuana when they say other drugs can treat pain and nausea more effectively. Purchase believes marijuana heals, and credits the drug for curing her stepfather's skin cancer.

She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.

When her symptoms are especially bad, Mykayla's mother and her mother's boyfriend will feed her cannabis-infused food. She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints.

Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment.


DERP.

This is the problem here in the US. It would be totally fine and a good idea to legalize marijuana entirely, but then you get all these assholes (most west of the Mississippi, fortunately) who don't pay much attention to clinical trials and misuse medical ideas and terms to cram as much as possible into what was designed as a narrow, humanitarian type of exception. This, in combination with the concurrent tendency of these people to believe in such bullshiat as homeopathy, biodynamism, acupuncture (as anything other than a weak placebo mechanism), etc., is contributing to the idiotification of the US just as surely as the god-botherers pushing creationism into science textbooks.
 
2012-11-25 12:29:09 PM

iheartscotch: Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.


Why would that matter? The mode of ingestion has nothing to do with the safety of the substance ingested. That's like saying you shouldn't drink Pepsi when pregnant because drinking alcohol could harm the baby, and you're swallowing the liquids in the same manner.

Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.
 
2012-11-25 12:30:36 PM

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.


Cannabis oil is just the extract. Tincture, if you will. If you pull all the keif or cannabinoids off the leafy plant matter, you do have concentrated THC. I wouldn't go so far as to say 1.2=10 joints, but you are getting a power punch of THC in that little bit of oil.
It's just like HASH. You remove the keif from the leafy plant matter. Hash is concentrated keif, thus, more potent than a regular bowl.

/worked in a grow facility and dispensary. Helped making Hash, Tincture, and oils.
 
2012-11-25 12:30:47 PM

Happy Hours: How many joints are in a lid?


Two.

/I roll big joints.
 
2012-11-25 12:31:45 PM
Hemp = Good

hempworld.com

Marijuana = Bad

blog.beliefnet.com
 
2012-11-25 12:32:32 PM
"All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

She's a kid. And also doing chemotherapy. Cut her some slack.
 
2012-11-25 12:34:25 PM
I may be a jaded asshole, but i thought all young kids wanted to just play video games. S'one of them thar things what keep'em from exercising outside or some shiat.
 
2012-11-25 12:35:19 PM

pciszek: Melvin Lovecraft: According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".

I thought that was what "in remission" meant.

Unless you mean "get over without medical intervention", in which case I agree, that is extremely rare. "Spontaneous remission" is medical-speak for "the patient got better on their own", but it doesn't happen very often.


It seems to me that the term "in remission" means "it's still there but not growing". Dad's claim of "getting over it" implies that it will go away, like a cold. Not a doctor, but I don't think cancer works that way.

If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort. He hears "marijuana" and goes all "Reefer Madness" about it, failing to see (as has been pointed out) that in spite of her condition, his daughter's behavior is relatively normal. I guess he'd be happier if she was just listless, gaunt and nauseous.
 
2012-11-25 12:35:26 PM

citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.


So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)
 
2012-11-25 12:37:06 PM

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


I bet I could mess you up pretty good with a pot stalk
 
2012-11-25 12:37:34 PM

pciszek: dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

OK, as someone else pointed out, this sounds like religion rather than science. If they said "It doesn't do what normal pot would do because it contains only some of the components present in pot, but not all of them", then they might have had a valid point. Also, isn't farking with people's brains expected? Isn't that why marijuana is so popular for non-medical reasons in the first place?

If laboratory purified THC doesn't have the desired medical properties, then it must be because THC is not the active ingredient that you are looking for and you need to look at one of the other substances contained in marijuana. This would be good news for patients who want to fight nausea, but also want to be able to drive and hold down a job.


pciszek: dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

OK, as someone else pointed out, this sounds like religion rather than science.


Just because two medicines have the same chemical composition doesn't mean they'll have the same effect. Things like concentration and how the drug is taken make a big difference. Even if it's a placebo effect, it still counts. If you take sugar pills for pain relief and they work great for you, why take anything else?

Chemistry is a good start for biology, but it doesn't end there.
 
2012-11-25 12:38:20 PM

Sum Dum Gai: Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.


Not just nicotine, too. Isn't it something like 500 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke? Meanwhile, to my knowledge pot has never been conclusively linked to a single case of cancer where the user only smoked pot. (open to reading studies that say otherwise if someone can find one..)
 
2012-11-25 12:38:31 PM

ReverendJasen: citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.

So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)


FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.
 
2012-11-25 12:39:22 PM

Sum Dum Gai: iheartscotch: Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.

Why would that matter? The mode of ingestion has nothing to do with the safety of the substance ingested. That's like saying you shouldn't drink Pepsi when pregnant because drinking alcohol could harm the baby, and you're swallowing the liquids in the same manner.

Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.


I presume you mean "route of exposure" and not "mode of ingestion," because a person isn't ingesting smoke, they are inhaling it. Well, I guess they could ingest it if they really wanted to, might be a bit difficult to swallow smoke, but it can be done.

Anyways, the route of exposure (ingestion, inhalation, dermal contact, intravenous, etc) absolutely does have an effect on the toxicity of a chemical. Depending on the chemical, the differences can be quite stark. Not ingesting something usually means that you avoid first pass metabolism, which may be significant. Other times, different target organs or different toxic effects can be seen with different routes.

Note for example the different toxic effects of ingesting vs inhaling water.
 
2012-11-25 12:39:43 PM

pciszek: cryinoutloud: But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her.
I thought the whole point of taking medical marijuana during chemotherapy is that it does make you want to go and eat pizza.


I think it's more like it keeps you from barfing your lungs out after you've eaten half a bowl of soup, but I've only known one person well who went through chemo, and she didn't take pot for it. She probably should have. It couldn't have been any worse than what I saw that woman go through.
 
2012-11-25 12:40:00 PM

Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.


Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.
 
2012-11-25 12:42:25 PM

WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.


It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.
 
2012-11-25 12:45:11 PM

Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.


Same for when idiots say there is coke and heroin in ecstasy pills
 
2012-11-25 12:47:30 PM

Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.


Is it known which of these compounds supreses nausea? Reduces pressure inside of the eyeballs of glaucoma patients? Gets people high?

All the claims I have heard for medical marijuana have been overly broad--advocates think it cures everything, sort of like the mom in this article. What specific, reputable medical claims are made for it besides the nausea and glaucoma relief?
 
2012-11-25 12:50:37 PM

Mazzic518: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Same for when idiots say there is coke and heroin in ecstasy pills


Or people who say there is meth in ecstasy, because of the similarities in the chemical makeup.

I've also heard one person claim that pseudophedrine is bad because it's a key ingredient in meth.

My favorite is those who claim that doing scientific tests to determine proper doses for mj is bad because then it becomes western medicine.
 
2012-11-25 12:52:15 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort.


If it were my kid and the mother had the kid on a drug that she hadn't told the kid's doctors about, I would be pretty pissed off.

It doesn't help that the mother is figuring the dosage herself and it sounds like she might very well be a shiat-for-brains with no math skills.
 
2012-11-25 12:54:09 PM
Ewww, did the father get the daughter pregnant?

/dnrta
 
2012-11-25 12:56:47 PM
Next time good ol' dad comes for a visit, make sure she is withering on the bathroom floor, her guts sufficiently vomited into the toilet bowl. Make sure she is pale, not smiling, not eating and barely able to talk. Then he can get that good old fashioned warm feeling that his daughter is suffering just right, and he can jump on the next plane home with a smile.

/warms the cockles of my heart.
//someone should smash him in the cockles
 
2012-11-25 12:57:57 PM

mgshamster: My favorite is those who claim that doing scientific tests to determine proper doses for mj is bad because then it becomes western medicine.


Or those who complain that all the legal midwives have medical training, because they specifically want one who doesn't have any medical training.
 
2012-11-25 12:59:32 PM

Communist_Manifesto: FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.


Youch.
so... 33g/80% = 41.25g @ $50 per = $2062.50 to reach lethal levels.
Assuming the oil's weight is similar to olive oil that's just under 8 tspns. So my earlier guestimate of a couple cups was a little off.

/no real point here, just playing with numbers
 
2012-11-25 12:59:33 PM

martid4: Ewww, did the father get the daughter pregnant?

/dnrta


The daughter's 7 yrs. old, so unless the kif is also giving her advanced puberty, I'd say the answer to your question is a resounding. "NO".
 
2012-11-25 01:01:53 PM

pciszek: Melvin Lovecraft: If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort.

If it were my kid and the mother had the kid on a drug that she hadn't told the kid's doctors about, I would be pretty pissed off.

It doesn't help that the mother is figuring the dosage herself and it sounds like she might very well be a shiat-for-brains with no math skills.


Ha! Yeah, there's that too. Mom should be asking a doctor for advice and telling him or her everything she's doing. I was just miffed with dad for rejecting pot out of hand. I guess in the long run, the girl would be suffering from poor parentitis whether she had cancer or not.
 
2012-11-25 01:02:23 PM

Godscrack: tukatz: Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.


But not as stupid a delusional religious crackpots thinking 'God' will cure their child by denying them medical treatment, prolonging their suffering.




Um, yeah. But you're aiming at the wrong target. I'm not religious and I never mentioned religion.
 
2012-11-25 01:04:37 PM

pciszek: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Is it known which of these compounds supreses nausea? Reduces pressure inside of the eyeballs of glaucoma patients? Gets people high?

All the claims I have heard for medical marijuana have been overly broad--advocates think it cures everything, sort of like the mom in this article. What specific, reputable medical claims are made for it besides the nausea and glaucoma relief?


Bad genes and a job with repetitive lifting has left me with 6 herniated vertebrae, 2 of which have been since surgically fused. While I'm far better now than I was before surgery, I still live in constant pain and have the occasional bad day where I can barely move.

Unfortunately, I'm also extremely drug sensitive and often suffer from the 'in rare cases' side effects. Hydrocodone, for instance, will leave me with blurry, double vision, dizziness, nausea, and vomiting. A few drugs do work for pain, but they generally leave me in a completely vegetative, non-functioning state.

Marijuana doesn't stop the pain, it makes me not care that it's there and allows me to function far, far better than anything else.

I don't care what compounds of it work, I just know that it helps me function, has virtually no negative side effects, I can take only as much as is needed and, unlike the opiates my doctors love to prescribe me, it's not addictive, there is no withdrawal, and it won't destroy my liver.
 
2012-11-25 01:05:16 PM

ReverendJasen: Communist_Manifesto: FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.

Youch.
so... 33g/80% = 41.25g @ $50 per = $2062.50 to reach lethal levels.
Assuming the oil's weight is similar to olive oil that's just under 8 tspns. So my earlier guestimate of a couple cups was a little off.

/no real point here, just playing with numbers


And that's only assuming the lethal dose is the same for the ld50 tested in whatever animal it was tested in. Remember, there usually is quite a bit of variability between species for the ld50.

Also, we're looking at the 50% mark. Some individuals may be more venerable or more resistant.
 
2012-11-25 01:08:02 PM

pciszek: Melvin Lovecraft: If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort.

If it were my kid and the mother had the kid on a drug that she hadn't told the kid's doctors about, I would be pretty pissed off.

It doesn't help that the mother is figuring the dosage herself and it sounds like she might very well be a shiat-for-brains with no math skills.




Nail.... hit on head. Mom is doling out stuff to her daughter without telling the doctor. Because she knows better than anyone else..... being a skilled drug user with a drug dealer boyfriend.

Surprised dad doesn't try to get custody of the kids from the druggie mom.
 
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