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(SeattlePI)   Man outraged that his ex-wife would give their daughter marijuana pills to combat the effects of her chemotherapy because it turned her into a total stoner. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"   (seattlepi.com) divider line 243
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2012-11-25 02:42:53 AM  
FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.
 
2012-11-25 02:49:09 AM  

Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?


No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.
 
2012-11-25 02:51:00 AM  

doglover: Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.


Once it hits the anus, they're bound to find out.
 
2012-11-25 02:55:23 AM  
FTA:

Purchase believes marijuana heals, and credits the drug for curing her stepfather's skin cancer.
She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.


Sounds legit.
 
2012-11-25 04:36:22 AM  
As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?
 
2012-11-25 04:47:27 AM  

doglover: Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.


Thats a confusing reply; you say "no", and then go on to explain "yes". Also, for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.
 
2012-11-25 04:59:25 AM  
She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.

And this is where the article made me want to slap the shiat out of the mother. Maybe the drugs should be administered by somebody who is not a whackadoodle pothead. Mom doesn't sound too bright.
 
2012-11-25 05:02:31 AM  

Frederick: "no", and then go on to explain "yes".



Oil is not 10 times stronger, it's concentrated to an unknown level above the leaves but the strength of the THC is the same; joints are not a standardized unit of measurement; and 1.5 x 10 does not equal 10. I stand by no.

Frederick: for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.


It's worth about 5-10 years in PMITA in Japan, for some odd reason. I wanna go to WA and CO now.
 
2012-11-25 05:47:56 AM  

doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;


How many joints are in a lid?
 
2012-11-25 06:31:32 AM  
That's all *I* want to do and I'm not even a stoner.
 
2012-11-25 08:03:46 AM  

Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?


Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?


Four fingers.
 
2012-11-25 09:01:16 AM  
Oh look, a medical marijuana thread. This is sure to be full of rational discussion an well-thought out arguments.

/grabs popcorn
 
2012-11-25 09:19:40 AM  

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.


you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.
 
2012-11-25 09:20:39 AM  

Barfmaker: Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?

Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?

Four fingers.



Baby-sized fingers or morbidly-obese-recluse-sized fingers?
 
2012-11-25 09:27:59 AM  

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


Came here to say this
 
2012-11-25 09:29:35 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.

And this is where the article made me want to slap the shiat out of the mother. Maybe the drugs should be administered by somebody who is not a whackadoodle pothead. Mom doesn't sound too bright.


Well, did the pot help the daughter? If so, I'd say the mom nailed it.
 
2012-11-25 09:29:58 AM  

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


Tell that to horse thieves.
 
2012-11-25 10:56:54 AM  
Ahhhh... Dr. Mom. Is there any idiocy she is not capable of?
 
2012-11-25 10:57:12 AM  

hb0mb: She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.


Well, that explains the name "Mykayla."

Remember: not your Kayla. My Kayla.
 
2012-11-25 10:57:53 AM  
I'm so proud of this kid. She's actually ready for Total Fark.
 
2012-11-25 10:57:57 AM  
Did it turn her gay?
 
2012-11-25 10:58:32 AM  
In a just world, both of these wonderful parents would be fighting cancer instead of the little girl
 
2012-11-25 10:58:49 AM  
Well, what's the problem with laying in bed playing video games? Have you SEEN the games out? Between Skyrim, the new Assassins Creed, Hitman, new GTA...I could spend the next 6 months in bed.
 
2012-11-25 11:00:05 AM  
Mean Girls popped into my head after reading the headline.

Mr. Duvall: Did your teacher ever try to sell you marijuana or ecstasy tablets?
Aaron Samuels: No.
Kevin Gnapoor: What are marijuana tablets?
 
2012-11-25 11:02:35 AM  
We went up 'air ta see it, and they had a boy that tried that marijuana pill. His eyes rolled back upon his head, an' he like ta kicked over. He was shakin an hollerin that "trip out" just as loud as he could...he 'uz actually what they call freakin out...

/obscure?
 
2012-11-25 11:04:42 AM  
Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,
 
2012-11-25 11:04:51 AM  
"All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.
 
2012-11-25 11:05:13 AM  
This isnt about his objection to pot. This is about him using this as a tool to try to fark over his ex. Again, "loving" parents putting the kid in the middle.
 
2012-11-25 11:05:14 AM  

Super Chronic: Remember: not your Kayla. My Kayla.


24.media.tumblr.com 

/Hot like a lit doobie
 
2012-11-25 11:05:54 AM  

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


Didn't you know chemotherapy gives kids energy and a huge appetite? What have you been reading?

/If she can handle chemo, she can probably handle cannabis.
 
2012-11-25 11:06:44 AM  
My friend's son is 11 and battling a brain tumor and all he does is play video games, and thats wtihout any medical marijauna. I think kids just like to play video games
 
2012-11-25 11:08:27 AM  

lobotomy survivor: "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.


No shiat. The night I got Dragon Force for the Saturn, I ordered a pizza and didn't stop playing until the morning sun was coming through the window.
 
2012-11-25 11:09:47 AM  
All I heard from the father was "I hate my ex-wife and I want custody".
 
2012-11-25 11:09:58 AM  

It's a Trap!: Oh look, a medical marijuana thread. This is sure to be full of rational discussion an well-thought out arguments.

/grabs popcorn


Sounds like somebody has the munchies.
 
2012-11-25 11:10:48 AM  

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


BUT EVIL POT!!!

fark, I'm jealous of those Washington and Colorado guys with their legal recreational weed. Up to an an ounce without a problem. And I'm absolutely for driving-while-high laws. That's reasonable.
 
2012-11-25 11:10:50 AM  
i474.photobucket.com
people dying from cancer and taking chemotherapy
tend to be weak and tired and lay around and not do much.
 
2012-11-25 11:11:45 AM  

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.


It just really depends on the THC concentration. I've seen oils that are extremely high concentration (70-80% +), and some that are very low (less than 10%). So unless they did a chemical analysis on the oil, there's no way to know.
 
2012-11-25 11:12:48 AM  

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."


Heh, so less damage than if you were to smoke a "pack" of joints.

I don't know anyone who goes through 10 joints a week, but plenty of smokers go through a pack or two per week. Would do it daily, except for New York's draconian tobacco tax.
 
2012-11-25 11:13:45 AM  
It sounds like a case of overprotective father meets addicted mother. The real truth actually lies in the middle here (what else is a chemotherapy patient going to do, gymnastics??), and both sides are pretty extreme. Dad's probably getting his information from AM radio and mom's probably too far gone up her own ass to listen to anybody but her biased boyfriend.
 
2012-11-25 11:14:23 AM  
I am for using whatever is best to reduce the ill effects of chemotherapy. But I am not for parents just deciding what medicine will be best for their kids and administering at will.

Also, I don't think one parent has the right to give the kid some non doctor approved treatment without consulting the other parent.

I'm not against medical marijuana but the mom sounds a little irresponsible to me. They aren't even telling their doctor about this treatment.

And according to all of the research I have seen marijuana is harmless to adults, but it has not undergone any testing on children, learning, or specifically to be used to treat a child's chemotherapy symptoms. Medicine is not as simple as 'well it worked for adults so there will be no ill effects for anyone!' Unless there have been studies, in which case I take back everything I said and good for mom for trying to make her kid feel better.
 
2012-11-25 11:16:02 AM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: All I heard from the father was "I hate my ex-wife and I want custody".


First rule about custody battles....dont do anything that would jeopardize custody.
 
2012-11-25 11:16:33 AM  

iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?


Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!
 
2012-11-25 11:16:48 AM  
OMFG... dude. Did it ever occur to you that the reason she's laying around listless and tired is because she HAS LEUKEMIA!?

ffs
 
2012-11-25 11:17:25 AM  
Damn lazy stoner kid. She should be outside playing sports!

Sick? Cancer? Pish-posh and balderdash. Children don't get cancer!

Oh wait. I'm not a Republican Senator, what am I thinking?
 
2012-11-25 11:17:44 AM  
FTA: "She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

Dude, she's like, SEVEN YEARS OLD! What's she supposed to be doing? Checking the want ads for work? Lay off, nitwit.
 
2012-11-25 11:17:55 AM  

iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,


I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.
 
2012-11-25 11:19:35 AM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: All I heard from the father was "I hate my ex-wife and I want custody".


Can you blame him?
 
2012-11-25 11:19:39 AM  

iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,


To her credit it doesn't say she smoked while pregnant, it says she consumed while pregnant. As to whether that's better or worse I honestly don't know.
 
2012-11-25 11:20:23 AM  
Oh, yeah...

Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?


Is that standard or metric?

/hates metric
 
2012-11-25 11:20:49 AM  
Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!
 
2012-11-25 11:21:20 AM  
The father, Jesse Comstock, said his concerns were prompted by a visit with Mykayla in August.
"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."



She probably just didn't want to talk to you. Are you an asshole? It sounds like you are an asshole.


took Mykayla to a private lab, where technicians detected THC levels of an adult daily marijuana user.

Gladstone police contacted

"It's going to limit her options in life because of the decisions her mother has made for her," he added.




I'm smelling asshole.
 
2012-11-25 11:22:45 AM  

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.
 
2012-11-25 11:23:02 AM  

lobotomy survivor: "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.


Came here to say this.

/Leaving satisfied
 
2012-11-25 11:24:23 AM  

Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!


Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.

There is a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Getting old sucks, huh? I used to be able to function on less than 4 hours of sleep; now I get craby if I have less then 8. Your body changes as you age; your 40 year old body may still think like it's 20, but if you do something to overexert yourself; you'll feel it in the morning.
 
2012-11-25 11:25:27 AM  

Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!


Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(
 
2012-11-25 11:25:38 AM  
Purchase believes marijuana heals, and credits the drug for curing her stepfather's skin cancer.
She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.
When her symptoms are especially bad, Mykayla's mother and her mother's boyfriend will feed her cannabis-infused food. She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints.



Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.
 
2012-11-25 11:25:59 AM  

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis THC to damage the human body.


I'm a daily smoker. Quit for a few weeks recently due to travels....and my lungs were in pretty rough shape as they cleared out. Though not all smoke is created equal, any smoke inhaled in concentrated form is going to damage the human body to some extent. Time for me to get a vaporizer.

THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.
 
2012-11-25 11:26:04 AM  

Albinoman: Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.


Well I'm sold, after reading that well-documented claim.
 
2012-11-25 11:26:18 AM  

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


That's a silly assertion. There is an LD50 for every substance, hell, enough water will kill a person.
 
2012-11-25 11:26:45 AM  
iheartscotch:, Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,
.


They might be different because they're completely different chemicals that the user's ingesting, maybe?

The thing in the article that stood out to me was the complete lack of any actual medical opinion, other than the 'some doctors say,' which is pretty much complete baloney.
 
2012-11-25 11:27:43 AM  

iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?


Everyone knows you're not supposed to drink wine while pregnant; why would grape juice be any different?
 
2012-11-25 11:28:28 AM  

Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,

I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.


Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.
 
2012-11-25 11:29:01 AM  

Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,

I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.


Jamaica? Call me crazy, but, I don't think of Jamaica as a place of medical advancement.

That may be right, who knows? I'd be interested to see if they stayed with the kids for 20 years and observed if any of them had lingering health problems.
 
2012-11-25 11:29:47 AM  

LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Everyone knows you're not supposed to drink wine while pregnant; why would grape juice be any different?


Grape juice messes with your mind and gets you drunk like pot messes with you mind and gets you high? I never know that.

/this orange is vastly superior to this apple
 
2012-11-25 11:30:39 AM  

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


From the commercials I've seen, chemotherapy just makes you want to take up kick boxing and horseback riding and tennis.. not a bad gig I guess.
 
Ehh
2012-11-25 11:30:58 AM  
Ahem: All she wanted to do was lie on the bed. Set a better example, Dad.
 
2012-11-25 11:31:37 AM  

mekki: this orange is vastly superior to this apple


Exactly the point.
 
2012-11-25 11:32:27 AM  

iheartscotch: Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,

I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.

Jamaica? Call me crazy, but, I don't think of Jamaica as a place of medical advancement.

That may be right, who knows? I'd be interested to see if they stayed with the kids for 20 years and observed if any of them had lingering health problems.


Wait, you said "kids." He said "child." Was there only one subject? If so, it's a worthless study.
 
2012-11-25 11:33:22 AM  
All I got from the dad's panty-wringing is that cancer never has the ability to turn fatal and that chemotherapy is good for the body. No wonder he doesn't have custody.
 
2012-11-25 11:35:25 AM  
1938 called, wants its war on drugs back. I say we cooperate.
 
2012-11-25 11:35:51 AM  

LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Everyone knows you're not supposed to drink wine while pregnant; why would grape juice be any different?


Hey now! Smoking is still smoking; it is known that smoking cigarettes is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? It could be harmless, but, how would you feel if that child had any adverse effects?

I don't know, one way or the other; but it seems like an unnecessary risk.
 
2012-11-25 11:36:41 AM  

raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


Do you have ADD or ADHD? I haven't looked into it for THC, but I do know that when you help a person with ADD calm down a bit, they're able to concentrate more.
 
2012-11-25 11:36:51 AM  

tukatz: Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.



But not as stupid a delusional religious crackpots thinking 'God' will cure their child by denying them medical treatment, prolonging their suffering.
 
2012-11-25 11:36:56 AM  

iheartscotch: Hey now! Smoking is still smoking; it is known that smoking cigarettes is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? It could be harmless, but, how would you feel if that child had any adverse effects?


Yeah, and where does it say she smoked it?
 
2012-11-25 11:37:04 AM  

mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.


LD50 levels are impossible to achieve by smoking due to metabolization during the time period needed and due to needed to breathe oxygen as well.
 
2012-11-25 11:37:10 AM  

mgshamster: Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.


That is exactly why I, personally, would err on the side of 'Yeah I'm not doing that because I'm not sure it is safe.' It is only 9 months, not the rest of your life.

Testing on rats and mice are one step of MANY steps in the process of determining if substances are safe. They thought that giving CT scans to kids was okay, now they're thinking that they should be avoided unless absolutely necessary since they can cause cancer.

Plus, there are little things- they have shown that watching TV can alter a infant or toddler's development. So I don't think it is a stretch to think that something else that may not physically harm them could change the development of their brain.
 
2012-11-25 11:37:59 AM  

netweavr:
That's a silly assertion. There is an LD50 for every substance, hell, enough water will kill a person.


do you know what sort of levels we're talking about here? cannabis is, for all practical purposes, harmless. I suppose that if you strapped someone down and force fed them pot brownies for a month then maybe there might possibly be some adverse aftereffects...but mostly they'd just get fat from the other ingredients in the brownies.
 
2012-11-25 11:38:49 AM  

iheartscotch: LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Everyone knows you're not supposed to drink wine while pregnant; why would grape juice be any different?

Hey now! Smoking is still smoking; it is known that smoking cigarettes is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? It could be harmless, but, how would you feel if that child had any adverse effects?

I don't know, one way or the other; but it seems like an unnecessary risk.


It's known that inhaling cigarette smoke is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? Who knows what inhaling oxygen could do?
 
2012-11-25 11:39:21 AM  

mgshamster: Do you have ADD or ADHD?


I dunno. Never was tested for it. I used to abuse Ritalin back when I was a teenager. Found that it helped me concentrate on homework and such, so maybe?
 
2012-11-25 11:39:44 AM  

dersk: iheartscotch:, Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,
.

They might be different because they're completely different chemicals that the user's ingesting, maybe?

The thing in the article that stood out to me was the complete lack of any actual medical opinion, other than the 'some doctors say,' which is pretty much complete baloney.


Still; smoking cigarettes is known to cause birth defects. Why risk smoking pot if it could hurt the unborn child?

I agree; I'm kind of wondering if the mom has gone off the deep end; and if dad does actually have a point.
 
2012-11-25 11:41:59 AM  

offmymeds: FTA: "She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

Dude, she's like, SEVEN YEARS OLD! What's she supposed to be doing? Checking the want ads for work? Lay off, nitwit.


There are some who think sick people should just lie around in bed all day. Doctors overprescribing, I say. Sick people can perform useful work as doorstops, paperweights, wheel chocks, the list is endless. In a disaster, the desperately ill can be used as sandbags. Hurricane Sandy would have been nothing more than an abnormally high tide if the deathly ill among us were no longer molly-coddled by overedumacated doctors.

Get them out of the hospital, let the fresh air get in those stitches.
 
2012-11-25 11:42:17 AM  

MoronLessOff: lobotomy survivor: "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.

No shiat. The night I got Dragon Force for the Saturn, I ordered a pizza and didn't stop playing until the morning sun was coming through the window.


Pff, noob. You let a little thing like dawn stop your gaming marathons?
 
2012-11-25 11:42:21 AM  

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


exactly. if she's taking her treatments and feels like playing games then that's better than just laying in bed doing nothing.
 
2012-11-25 11:44:07 AM  

mgshamster: Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,

I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.

Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.


Thalidomide was an abortive in rats and mice. At least one of the enantiomers was, but I can't remember if it was R- or S-Thalidomide. Either way it was the same one that caused mutations and prevented miscarriage in humans.
 
2012-11-25 11:45:12 AM  

LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Hey now! Smoking is still smoking; it is known that smoking cigarettes is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? It could be harmless, but, how would you feel if that child had any adverse effects?

Yeah, and where does it say she smoked it?


It doesn't. I don't know if she did or not; I still think that ingesting drugs while pregnant is a bad idea.

During the later stages of pregnancy; you are not supposed to take perscribed medicine, like pain pills and allergy stuff.

I'm not saying pot is bad; I'm saying the best time to be smoking/ingesting pot is not while you are pregnant
 
2012-11-25 11:45:14 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.

LD50 levels are impossible to achieve by smoking due to metabolization during the time period needed and due to needed to breathe oxygen as well.


*blink*

First off, there are other means to get THC in the body rather than smoking it. Second, metabolism is not quick, otherwise we wouldn't see THC levels in the body up to approximately a month post ingestion.

The point of my statement was to counter the "literally cannot harm a human" statement. Sure, it's unlikely to cause harm, but to claim that it literally cannot is too much.
 
2012-11-25 11:45:28 AM  

crozzo: offmymeds: FTA: "She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

Dude, she's like, SEVEN YEARS OLD! What's she supposed to be doing? Checking the want ads for work? Lay off, nitwit.

There are some who think sick people should just lie around in bed all day. Doctors overprescribing, I say. Sick people can perform useful work as doorstops, paperweights, wheel chocks, the list is endless. In a disaster, the desperately ill can be used as sandbags. Hurricane Sandy would have been nothing more than an abnormally high tide if the deathly ill among us were no longer molly-coddled by overedumacated doctors.

Get them out of the hospital, let the fresh air get in those stitches.


Still sore you lost the election eh, Mitt?
 
2012-11-25 11:46:05 AM  

Weaver95: it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


If you had enough plants you could suffocate someone with them. Or drown them in the oil. Although that would be a lot of oil.
 
2012-11-25 11:46:19 AM  

raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(



So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?
 
2012-11-25 11:47:14 AM  
tukatz: Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.

Call me crazy, but I'd much rather have the kid stoned out of her gourd 24/7 than living with the effects of chemo. I've seen a kid going through chemo, and it ain't pretty.
 
2012-11-25 11:47:21 AM  
Ex-husbands are always a reliable and unbiased source for newspaper articles.
 
2012-11-25 11:49:56 AM  
FTA: "She's not terminally ill," Comstock said. "She is going to get over this..."

According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".

Mom sounds like a stoner. Dad sounds like dick. Kid seems like a kid with cancer who is doing her best to try to behave like a normal kid with cancer. Would be nice to hear she "gets over it", but I wouldn't bet the pot farm on it.
 
2012-11-25 11:50:27 AM  

red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!


This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."
 
2012-11-25 11:50:34 AM  

Landis: mgshamster: Albinoman: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant? And no one has called child protective services? There's a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different? Might as well start shooting crystal meth and black tar heroin into your eye balls,

I had the same argument with a guy at work (I thought it was irresponsible that my mother smoked pot while pregnant with me). He played devils advocate. Turns out that study has actually been done. It was done in Jamaica since it needs to be socially acceptable. Turned out the not only did it not seem to have negative effects on the child, but it seemed to slightly improve intelligence.

Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.

Thalidomide was an abortive in rats and mice. At least one of the enantiomers was, but I can't remember if it was R- or S-Thalidomide. Either way it was the same one that caused mutations and prevented miscarriage in humans.


Doesn't matter which enantiomer. It interconverts in the body, so if you take one, then you will have the other.

And I'm pretty sure the original research showed it to be harmless (which shows more to the lack of good methodology than anything about the chemical itself). Of course, later research revealed the problems, but the original I don't believe did.
 
2012-11-25 11:55:41 AM  

iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant?


iheartscotch: There is a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.


iheartscotch: Hey now! Smoking is still smoking


iheartscotch: Why risk smoking pot if it could hurt the unborn child?


iheartscotch: I don't know if she did or not


I like you; you're funny.
 
2012-11-25 11:56:30 AM  
Iv'e been undergoing chemotherapy for the past six months,the effects are cumulative.
The first few months it's not too bad,but then it gets worse,there are days when I don't have the energy to do much.
I'm almost done,then I can get back to some semblance of normality.
By the way,when they administer the chemo IV the nurse wears a protective gown and mask,I asled why,
she said that the chemo would burn through thier clothes and burn thier skin,also if spilled ,a hazmat crew needs to come in to clean
it.
Fun stuff.
 
2012-11-25 11:56:46 AM  

Abox: raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?


That's kind of the point of medical marijuana. Help you feel normal. And yes, even when you're using it for that, if you have enough, you still get high :)
 
2012-11-25 11:57:30 AM  
So, I guess this means those fields are gonna plow themselves, right little Miss Hippy?
 
2012-11-25 11:58:03 AM  

doglover: Oil is not 10 times stronger, it's concentrated to an unknown level above the leaves but the strength of the THC is the same


"Vodka is not 10x stronger; it's concentrated to an unknown level above beer, but the strength of the alcohol is the same."

See how that works? Yes, THC is THC, but if you have more of it per unit weight (or volume, either one works) then any reasonable person would call that "stronger".
 
2012-11-25 11:58:12 AM  

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.


Probably written by a stoner.
 
2012-11-25 12:00:14 PM  

pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."


It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)
 
2012-11-25 12:02:36 PM  

dopekitty74: pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."

It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.
 
2012-11-25 12:04:07 PM  
I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.
 
2012-11-25 12:05:13 PM  

dopekitty74: Abox: raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?

That's kind of the point of medical marijuana. Help you feel normal. And yes, even when you're using it for that, if you have enough, you still get high :)



I thought medical marijuana was a euphamism for marijuana.
 
2012-11-25 12:05:54 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".


I thought that was what "in remission" meant.

Unless you mean "get over without medical intervention", in which case I agree, that is extremely rare. "Spontaneous remission" is medical-speak for "the patient got better on their own", but it doesn't happen very often.
 
2012-11-25 12:06:43 PM  
Any drug used to combat pain, nausea or anxiety has "downer" side effects. As long as the side effects are mild to moderate, it isn't necessarily a bad thing. One of my biggest frustrations in dealing with families of very sick people is that they don't realize that an uncomfortable body can't use resources to heal itself the way a comfortable body can. Calm and reasonably still with no physical or emotional stress is the optimal "healing" state. The kid has the right idea.
 
2012-11-25 12:09:01 PM  
While I do know that marijuana has been shown to decrease the negative effects of chemo but the person making the decision shouldn't be the mother who is obviously a pot head.
 
2012-11-25 12:10:12 PM  

LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Seriously? She smoked while pregnant?

iheartscotch: There is a causal link between smoking anything and birth defects.

iheartscotch: Hey now! Smoking is still smoking

iheartscotch: Why risk smoking pot if it could hurt the unborn child?

iheartscotch: I don't know if she did or not

I like you; you're funny.


Funny how? Am I a clown? Do I amuse you?
 
2012-11-25 12:11:46 PM  

spidermilk: Also, I don't think one parent has the right to give the kid some non doctor approved treatment without consulting the other parent.


A doctor approved the girl for medical marijuana treatment.
 
2012-11-25 12:12:44 PM  

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


I knew people on chemo, you had to tie them to bed or vooom! they'd be skiing, skateboarding and all

/dad's an AW
//get better soon kid
 
2012-11-25 12:13:51 PM  

ZzeusS: The father, Jesse Comstock, said his concerns were prompted by a visit with Mykayla in August.
"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."
She probably just didn't want to talk to you. Are you an asshole? It sounds like you are an asshole.
took Mykayla to a private lab, where technicians detected THC levels of an adult daily marijuana user.
"It's going to limit her options in life because of the decisions her mother has made for her," he added.
I'm smelling asshole.


Douchebag parents always use the "but I'm just concerned about our child!" angle. I'm sure the kid wasn't affected at all by being dragged to a lab to have a THC test while she was sick with cancer, or by being told that her life is already being permanently compromised by her taking THC pills, when she's seven farking years old. And how does he know she's not "terminally ill?" She has leukemia--last I heard, it can be fatal.

"She was stoned out of her mind," said Comstock, 26. "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

I'm sure you're such a macho guy that you wouldn't be brought down by a little thing like cancer and chemotherapy--after all, you work in the OIL FIELDS--but guess what--that sort of thing can make a person pretty damn sick. But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her. Farking biatch. Both of them.
 
2012-11-25 12:13:54 PM  

pciszek: doglover: Oil is not 10 times stronger, it's concentrated to an unknown level above the leaves but the strength of the THC is the same

"Vodka is not 10x stronger; it's concentrated to an unknown level above beer, but the strength of the alcohol is the same."

See how that works? Yes, THC is THC, but if you have more of it per unit weight (or volume, either one works) then any reasonable person would call that "stronger".


It depends on how it is ingested and what sort of solvent is used, but with no other variables, has oil is obviously indeed stronger than its leafy counterpart.
 
2012-11-25 12:13:55 PM  

Abox: dopekitty74: Abox: raerae1980: Abox: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Because it's different?

I smoked my last hit a couple days ago from my one-hitter. I used to love weed, started smoking in junior high and usage peaked in college...there was no downside, everything was just better high. A few years after college the effect on me changed and it gradually made me more and more non-functional with use, and I'd start passing out sooner, especially when combined with alcohol. The last few years the only time I'd smoke it was if I knew I was staying home and there was nothing to do that required any thought. So the other night I took a few hits, thoughts became scrambled, and I passed out about an hour later. Maybe I'm gettin' old but I'm done wit it!

Interesting. Been using pot since 16 but really started using it daily about 6 years ago. I've had the exact opposite happen to me. I'm calm, able to concentrate, have energy, and have an appetite. I joke about it, but Pot helped me get through grad school and helped me cope with my sister's death. I don't know what I'd do if I had to give it up due to pregnancy :(


So you use pot to feel normal? That actually sounds kinda lame. Does it get you high at all?

That's kind of the point of medical marijuana. Help you feel normal. And yes, even when you're using it for that, if you have enough, you still get high :)


I thought medical marijuana was a euphamism for marijuana.


While some people would prefer it that way, there are actually quite a number of people out there who want it for medical purposes. My mother-in-law finally started taking it (after years of my wife and I suggesting it) for her chronic back pain (she has to go in for minor back surgery about once ever three months and is in significant pain for the following few weeks, but the surgery makes the pain mostly go away for a few months and allows her to walk). Before pot, she would had to rotate between different opiates which would have some pretty severe side effects (not to mention having to come off of dependency of them each time, which is also painful).
 
2012-11-25 12:15:02 PM  

Amberleia: I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.


I agree. This sounds like a case where mom thinks she knows more than the doctors. If it not been the pot use and mom had used other natural means like licorice, ginseng, dandelion, which is used in Chinese herbal medicine to treat symptoms, people would be calling her a nuts. But since it's pot, people are bending over backwards to say how safe it is completely ignoring that the child's doctors don't even know she is on it.
 
2012-11-25 12:15:56 PM  

dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


OK, as someone else pointed out, this sounds like religion rather than science. If they said "It doesn't do what normal pot would do because it contains only some of the components present in pot, but not all of them", then they might have had a valid point. Also, isn't farking with people's brains expected? Isn't that why marijuana is so popular for non-medical reasons in the first place?

If laboratory purified THC doesn't have the desired medical properties, then it must be because THC is not the active ingredient that you are looking for and you need to look at one of the other substances contained in marijuana. This would be good news for patients who want to fight nausea, but also want to be able to drive and hold down a job.
 
2012-11-25 12:17:06 PM  
"All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

He says that like it's a bad thing.
 
2012-11-25 12:20:46 PM  

cryinoutloud: But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her.


I thought the whole point of taking medical marijuana during chemotherapy is that it does make you want to go and eat pizza.
 
2012-11-25 12:21:12 PM  

Mentalpatient87: MoronLessOff: lobotomy survivor: "All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games"

Sounds just like every teenager I know.

No shiat. The night I got Dragon Force for the Saturn, I ordered a pizza and didn't stop playing until the morning sun was coming through the window.

Pff, noob. You let a little thing like dawn stop your gaming marathons?


Heh. It was the first time I stayed up that late gaming. It must have been around 6 AM when I figured I should try to at least get some sleep. Now on my days off, I'll go until about 1-3 before I call it.
 
2012-11-25 12:23:19 PM  
I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.
 
2012-11-25 12:26:46 PM  
Mykayla's mother credits the drug for the leukemia's remission.

[...]

Many doctors worry about introducing a child to marijuana when they say other drugs can treat pain and nausea more effectively. Purchase believes marijuana heals, and credits the drug for curing her stepfather's skin cancer.

She herself is an Oregon medical marijuana patient, and her boyfriend is Mykayla's grower. She is so convinced of the drug's safety that she consumed it during the pregnancy and while breastfeeding her second child.

When her symptoms are especially bad, Mykayla's mother and her mother's boyfriend will feed her cannabis-infused food. She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints.

Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment.


DERP.

This is the problem here in the US. It would be totally fine and a good idea to legalize marijuana entirely, but then you get all these assholes (most west of the Mississippi, fortunately) who don't pay much attention to clinical trials and misuse medical ideas and terms to cram as much as possible into what was designed as a narrow, humanitarian type of exception. This, in combination with the concurrent tendency of these people to believe in such bullshiat as homeopathy, biodynamism, acupuncture (as anything other than a weak placebo mechanism), etc., is contributing to the idiotification of the US just as surely as the god-botherers pushing creationism into science textbooks.
 
2012-11-25 12:29:09 PM  

iheartscotch: Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.


Why would that matter? The mode of ingestion has nothing to do with the safety of the substance ingested. That's like saying you shouldn't drink Pepsi when pregnant because drinking alcohol could harm the baby, and you're swallowing the liquids in the same manner.

Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.
 
2012-11-25 12:30:36 PM  

Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.


Cannabis oil is just the extract. Tincture, if you will. If you pull all the keif or cannabinoids off the leafy plant matter, you do have concentrated THC. I wouldn't go so far as to say 1.2=10 joints, but you are getting a power punch of THC in that little bit of oil.
It's just like HASH. You remove the keif from the leafy plant matter. Hash is concentrated keif, thus, more potent than a regular bowl.

/worked in a grow facility and dispensary. Helped making Hash, Tincture, and oils.
 
2012-11-25 12:30:47 PM  

Happy Hours: How many joints are in a lid?


Two.

/I roll big joints.
 
2012-11-25 12:31:45 PM  
Hemp = Good

hempworld.com

Marijuana = Bad

blog.beliefnet.com
 
2012-11-25 12:32:32 PM  
"All she wanted to do was lay on the bed and play video games."

She's a kid. And also doing chemotherapy. Cut her some slack.
 
2012-11-25 12:34:25 PM  
I may be a jaded asshole, but i thought all young kids wanted to just play video games. S'one of them thar things what keep'em from exercising outside or some shiat.
 
2012-11-25 12:35:19 PM  

pciszek: Melvin Lovecraft: According to the article, the girl has leukemia, but is in remission. I was not aware that leukemia was something you "get over".

I thought that was what "in remission" meant.

Unless you mean "get over without medical intervention", in which case I agree, that is extremely rare. "Spontaneous remission" is medical-speak for "the patient got better on their own", but it doesn't happen very often.


It seems to me that the term "in remission" means "it's still there but not growing". Dad's claim of "getting over it" implies that it will go away, like a cold. Not a doctor, but I don't think cancer works that way.

If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort. He hears "marijuana" and goes all "Reefer Madness" about it, failing to see (as has been pointed out) that in spite of her condition, his daughter's behavior is relatively normal. I guess he'd be happier if she was just listless, gaunt and nauseous.
 
2012-11-25 12:35:26 PM  

citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.


So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)
 
2012-11-25 12:37:06 PM  

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


I bet I could mess you up pretty good with a pot stalk
 
2012-11-25 12:37:34 PM  

pciszek: dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

OK, as someone else pointed out, this sounds like religion rather than science. If they said "It doesn't do what normal pot would do because it contains only some of the components present in pot, but not all of them", then they might have had a valid point. Also, isn't farking with people's brains expected? Isn't that why marijuana is so popular for non-medical reasons in the first place?

If laboratory purified THC doesn't have the desired medical properties, then it must be because THC is not the active ingredient that you are looking for and you need to look at one of the other substances contained in marijuana. This would be good news for patients who want to fight nausea, but also want to be able to drive and hold down a job.


pciszek: dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

OK, as someone else pointed out, this sounds like religion rather than science.


Just because two medicines have the same chemical composition doesn't mean they'll have the same effect. Things like concentration and how the drug is taken make a big difference. Even if it's a placebo effect, it still counts. If you take sugar pills for pain relief and they work great for you, why take anything else?

Chemistry is a good start for biology, but it doesn't end there.
 
2012-11-25 12:38:20 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.


Not just nicotine, too. Isn't it something like 500 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke? Meanwhile, to my knowledge pot has never been conclusively linked to a single case of cancer where the user only smoked pot. (open to reading studies that say otherwise if someone can find one..)
 
2012-11-25 12:38:31 PM  

ReverendJasen: citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.

So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)


FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.
 
2012-11-25 12:39:22 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: iheartscotch: Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.

Why would that matter? The mode of ingestion has nothing to do with the safety of the substance ingested. That's like saying you shouldn't drink Pepsi when pregnant because drinking alcohol could harm the baby, and you're swallowing the liquids in the same manner.

Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.


I presume you mean "route of exposure" and not "mode of ingestion," because a person isn't ingesting smoke, they are inhaling it. Well, I guess they could ingest it if they really wanted to, might be a bit difficult to swallow smoke, but it can be done.

Anyways, the route of exposure (ingestion, inhalation, dermal contact, intravenous, etc) absolutely does have an effect on the toxicity of a chemical. Depending on the chemical, the differences can be quite stark. Not ingesting something usually means that you avoid first pass metabolism, which may be significant. Other times, different target organs or different toxic effects can be seen with different routes.

Note for example the different toxic effects of ingesting vs inhaling water.
 
2012-11-25 12:39:43 PM  

pciszek: cryinoutloud: But it must be mom's fault if your daughter doesn't want to go out with you and eat pizza, after you came all that way to see her.
I thought the whole point of taking medical marijuana during chemotherapy is that it does make you want to go and eat pizza.


I think it's more like it keeps you from barfing your lungs out after you've eaten half a bowl of soup, but I've only known one person well who went through chemo, and she didn't take pot for it. She probably should have. It couldn't have been any worse than what I saw that woman go through.
 
2012-11-25 12:40:00 PM  

Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.


Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.
 
2012-11-25 12:42:25 PM  

WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.


It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.
 
2012-11-25 12:45:11 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.


Same for when idiots say there is coke and heroin in ecstasy pills
 
2012-11-25 12:47:30 PM  

Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.


Is it known which of these compounds supreses nausea? Reduces pressure inside of the eyeballs of glaucoma patients? Gets people high?

All the claims I have heard for medical marijuana have been overly broad--advocates think it cures everything, sort of like the mom in this article. What specific, reputable medical claims are made for it besides the nausea and glaucoma relief?
 
2012-11-25 12:50:37 PM  

Mazzic518: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Same for when idiots say there is coke and heroin in ecstasy pills


Or people who say there is meth in ecstasy, because of the similarities in the chemical makeup.

I've also heard one person claim that pseudophedrine is bad because it's a key ingredient in meth.

My favorite is those who claim that doing scientific tests to determine proper doses for mj is bad because then it becomes western medicine.
 
2012-11-25 12:52:15 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort.


If it were my kid and the mother had the kid on a drug that she hadn't told the kid's doctors about, I would be pretty pissed off.

It doesn't help that the mother is figuring the dosage herself and it sounds like she might very well be a shiat-for-brains with no math skills.
 
2012-11-25 12:54:09 PM  
Ewww, did the father get the daughter pregnant?

/dnrta
 
2012-11-25 12:56:47 PM  
Next time good ol' dad comes for a visit, make sure she is withering on the bathroom floor, her guts sufficiently vomited into the toilet bowl. Make sure she is pale, not smiling, not eating and barely able to talk. Then he can get that good old fashioned warm feeling that his daughter is suffering just right, and he can jump on the next plane home with a smile.

/warms the cockles of my heart.
//someone should smash him in the cockles
 
2012-11-25 12:57:57 PM  

mgshamster: My favorite is those who claim that doing scientific tests to determine proper doses for mj is bad because then it becomes western medicine.


Or those who complain that all the legal midwives have medical training, because they specifically want one who doesn't have any medical training.
 
2012-11-25 12:59:32 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.


Youch.
so... 33g/80% = 41.25g @ $50 per = $2062.50 to reach lethal levels.
Assuming the oil's weight is similar to olive oil that's just under 8 tspns. So my earlier guestimate of a couple cups was a little off.

/no real point here, just playing with numbers
 
2012-11-25 12:59:33 PM  

martid4: Ewww, did the father get the daughter pregnant?

/dnrta


The daughter's 7 yrs. old, so unless the kif is also giving her advanced puberty, I'd say the answer to your question is a resounding. "NO".
 
2012-11-25 01:01:53 PM  

pciszek: Melvin Lovecraft: If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort.

If it were my kid and the mother had the kid on a drug that she hadn't told the kid's doctors about, I would be pretty pissed off.

It doesn't help that the mother is figuring the dosage herself and it sounds like she might very well be a shiat-for-brains with no math skills.


Ha! Yeah, there's that too. Mom should be asking a doctor for advice and telling him or her everything she's doing. I was just miffed with dad for rejecting pot out of hand. I guess in the long run, the girl would be suffering from poor parentitis whether she had cancer or not.
 
2012-11-25 01:02:23 PM  

Godscrack: tukatz: Potheads raising potheads. Oh, how sad she has cancer, but now we have an excuse to get her on the family drug. They even lace her food with it to make sure she stays high. Insane.

The stupid is strong in these people.


But not as stupid a delusional religious crackpots thinking 'God' will cure their child by denying them medical treatment, prolonging their suffering.




Um, yeah. But you're aiming at the wrong target. I'm not religious and I never mentioned religion.
 
2012-11-25 01:04:37 PM  

pciszek: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Is it known which of these compounds supreses nausea? Reduces pressure inside of the eyeballs of glaucoma patients? Gets people high?

All the claims I have heard for medical marijuana have been overly broad--advocates think it cures everything, sort of like the mom in this article. What specific, reputable medical claims are made for it besides the nausea and glaucoma relief?


Bad genes and a job with repetitive lifting has left me with 6 herniated vertebrae, 2 of which have been since surgically fused. While I'm far better now than I was before surgery, I still live in constant pain and have the occasional bad day where I can barely move.

Unfortunately, I'm also extremely drug sensitive and often suffer from the 'in rare cases' side effects. Hydrocodone, for instance, will leave me with blurry, double vision, dizziness, nausea, and vomiting. A few drugs do work for pain, but they generally leave me in a completely vegetative, non-functioning state.

Marijuana doesn't stop the pain, it makes me not care that it's there and allows me to function far, far better than anything else.

I don't care what compounds of it work, I just know that it helps me function, has virtually no negative side effects, I can take only as much as is needed and, unlike the opiates my doctors love to prescribe me, it's not addictive, there is no withdrawal, and it won't destroy my liver.
 
2012-11-25 01:05:16 PM  

ReverendJasen: Communist_Manifesto: FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.

Youch.
so... 33g/80% = 41.25g @ $50 per = $2062.50 to reach lethal levels.
Assuming the oil's weight is similar to olive oil that's just under 8 tspns. So my earlier guestimate of a couple cups was a little off.

/no real point here, just playing with numbers


And that's only assuming the lethal dose is the same for the ld50 tested in whatever animal it was tested in. Remember, there usually is quite a bit of variability between species for the ld50.

Also, we're looking at the 50% mark. Some individuals may be more venerable or more resistant.
 
2012-11-25 01:08:02 PM  

pciszek: Melvin Lovecraft: If it were my kid, I think I'd be open to any and all treatment methods that were available, then choose the one that's most effective while simultaneously keeping my daughter's quality of daily life as comfortable as possible. For chrissake, if leeches made her comfortable, I'd go with it. The dad in this case (from what was said in the article) seems more concerned about villifying his ex wife than his cancer stricken daughter's comfort.

If it were my kid and the mother had the kid on a drug that she hadn't told the kid's doctors about, I would be pretty pissed off.

It doesn't help that the mother is figuring the dosage herself and it sounds like she might very well be a shiat-for-brains with no math skills.




Nail.... hit on head. Mom is doling out stuff to her daughter without telling the doctor. Because she knows better than anyone else..... being a skilled drug user with a drug dealer boyfriend.

Surprised dad doesn't try to get custody of the kids from the druggie mom.
 
2012-11-25 01:09:07 PM  

themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?


That was my thought, also. I've only seen one person on chemo, they were pretty farked up.

Guntram Shatterhand: It sounds like a case of overprotective father meets addicted mother. The real truth actually lies in the middle here (what else is a chemotherapy patient going to do, gymnastics??), and both sides are pretty extreme. Dad's probably getting his information from AM radio and mom's probably too far gone up her own ass to listen to anybody but her biased boyfriend.


I'm not sure it's overprotective. More likely badly misinformed. Otherwise I agree with you.

mgshamster: Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.


Thalidomide is an odd one. IIRC it's actually safe, the evil was done by a stereoisomer that tagged along. (This is common when making such molecules, it's hard to avoid having 50% left and 50% right. Normally the other molecule is biologically inert.)

dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)


Yup, that's my understanding also--it's not as effective as the natural version. That likely means that there's another molecule in the real stuff that helps also.

There's also the issue of dosing--when you smoke it you can do a much better job of calibrating the dose to your symptoms than you can with a pill or suppository. (Yes, marinol comes in suppositories--what good is an anti-nausea pill for someone who can't keep it down?)
 
2012-11-25 01:11:52 PM  

mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.



"At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

cannabis-science.com/content/DEA%20Ruling%20Judge%20Young.pdf
 
2012-11-25 01:13:29 PM  
She's a kid with farking cancer, wtf should she be doing?

/running daily marathons

//really though, mom might want to cut back her dose a bit.
 
2012-11-25 01:13:39 PM  
Dad should be beaten for being an asshole, mom should be beaten for being a dipshiat hippy, and both should be shot for allowing their progeny to spell it's name "Mykayla"
 
2012-11-25 01:15:09 PM  

Loren: themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?

That was my thought, also. I've only seen one person on chemo, they were pretty farked up.

Guntram Shatterhand: It sounds like a case of overprotective father meets addicted mother. The real truth actually lies in the middle here (what else is a chemotherapy patient going to do, gymnastics??), and both sides are pretty extreme. Dad's probably getting his information from AM radio and mom's probably too far gone up her own ass to listen to anybody but her biased boyfriend.

I'm not sure it's overprotective. More likely badly misinformed. Otherwise I agree with you.

mgshamster: Rat and mouse tests have shown no teratogenic effects, so I'm going with it likely isn't going to cause birth defects.

/Of course, tholidamide also didn't show any effects in rats and mice when originally tested.

Thalidomide is an odd one. IIRC it's actually safe, the evil was done by a stereoisomer that tagged along. (This is common when making such molecules, it's hard to avoid having 50% left and 50% right. Normally the other molecule is biologically inert.)

dopekitty74: It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

Yup, that's my understanding also--it's not as effective as the natural version. That likely means that there's another molecule in the real stuff that helps also.

There's also the issue of dosing--when you smoke it you can do a much better job of calibrating the dose to your symptoms than you can with a pill or suppository. (Yes, marinol comes in suppositories--what good is an anti-nausea pill for someone who can't keep it down?)


Re: thalidomide. I mentioned earlier that the stereoisomer interconverts in vivo, so there's no getting around it. The original tests just had poor methodologies.

Re: Marinol. I know of many who prefer not to smoke pot at all, they ingest brownies or some other food item. So those would be better comparison for pills. Of course inhalation is going to work faster than ingestion, it's a more direct route to the blood stream and bypasses first pass metabolism.
 
2012-11-25 01:18:10 PM  

Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?


Um.. Two! I roll big joints!!!
 
2012-11-25 01:18:41 PM  
Marijuana is evil.
They need to use codeine like when I was a kid.
Or morphine like my great grandparents had.
 
2012-11-25 01:19:38 PM  

mekki: Amberleia: I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.

I agree. This sounds like a case where mom thinks she knows more than the doctors. If it not been the pot use and mom had used other natural means like licorice, ginseng, dandelion, which is used in Chinese herbal medicine to treat symptoms, people would be calling her a nuts. But since it's pot, people are bending over backwards to say how safe it is completely ignoring that the child's doctors don't even know she is on it.


This. Plus if they don't want you to take Advil and Sudafed while pregnant I'm sure pot is on the list. I really missed my sinus medicine while pregnant/nursing.
 
2012-11-25 01:19:41 PM  

phelixcubed: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.


"At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

cannabis-science.com/content/DEA%20Ruling%20Judge%20Young.pdf


What an odd unit to use for ld50. I don't think I've ever seen that before. It's usually presented in weight of chemical per body weight of organism, and there is always an organism associated with it, otherwise it's a useless statement.

I'm curious what the point of your post is. You by no means disproved anything I said.
 
2012-11-25 01:23:57 PM  

Begoggle: Marijuana is evil.
They need to use codeine like when I was a kid.
Or morphine like my great grandparents had.


That's the problem with kids today. They're all hopped up on the marywanna goofballs, joy riding in their folks' car and listening to that Negro jazz music. Bring back the good old days when opioid dependence was considered a good idea.
 
ecl
2012-11-25 01:24:15 PM  

buster_v: OMFG... dude. Did it ever occur to you that the reason she's laying around listless and tired is because she HAS LEUKEMIA!?

ffs


Seriously, what an asshole. If my mom HAD eaten or smoked during cancer treeatments she may have just sat around and played videogames instead of starve nearly to death from loss of appetite and generally just laying around feeling sh*tty.
 
2012-11-25 01:29:48 PM  

mgshamster: dopekitty74: pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."

It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.


There is more going on in cannabis than the THC they've synthesized and placed into the marinol pill. Its been clearly established that ingesting marinol is not an experience like smoking or eating cannabis. I'm sure you can put 2+2 together and realize that, hey, marinol may actually have significantly different effects than the traditional methods of administration. 

So the fact that you didn't take into account the complexity of going from a naturally occurring substance, clasically ingested for myriad reasons, to an isolated synthetic form of one component of said substance, is a big red flag that you don't know what you're taking about.
 
2012-11-25 01:31:15 PM  

Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?


Two.
 
2012-11-25 01:32:17 PM  
As opposed to laying in bed vomiting?
 
2012-11-25 01:33:30 PM  

lerxst2112: Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?

Two.


What's your name, lerxst2112?

/our judges roll big joints too
 
2012-11-25 01:34:55 PM  

mgshamster: phelixcubed: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.


"At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

cannabis-science.com/content/DEA%20Ruling%20Judge%20Young.pdf

What an odd unit to use for ld50. I don't think I've ever seen that before. It's usually presented in weight of chemical per body weight of organism, and there is always an organism associated with it, otherwise it's a useless statement.

I'm curious what the point of your post is. You by no means disproved anything I said.


From Erowid:

LD50 1270 mg/kg (male rats), 730 mg/kg (female rats) oral in sesame oil
LD50 42 mg/kg (rats) inhalation

Probably more realistic numbers than the original source I quoted you.
 
2012-11-25 01:35:39 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: iheartscotch: Yeah, it's so different; I mean it's not like you are inhaling the gasses in the same manner or anything.

Why would that matter? The mode of ingestion has nothing to do with the safety of the substance ingested. That's like saying you shouldn't drink Pepsi when pregnant because drinking alcohol could harm the baby, and you're swallowing the liquids in the same manner.

Cigarettes are bad for pregnant mothers because nicotine is a teratogen. Marijuana doesn't contain nicotine.


I dunno, it's a lot safer to drink water than to breathe it.
 
2012-11-25 01:36:22 PM  
Well when my buddy went to chemo, he pretty much just laid in bed and played video games or watched movies. He stayed over a couple of weekends just to get out of his parent's house, and we did not do much (which was fine by me because I could drink and he couldn't). Hell weed might have made the weekends a bit more interesting.
 
2012-11-25 01:38:00 PM  

phelixcubed: mgshamster: phelixcubed: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.


"At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

cannabis-science.com/content/DEA%20Ruling%20Judge%20Young.pdf

What an odd unit to use for ld50. I don't think I've ever seen that before. It's usually presented in weight of chemical per body weight of organism, and there is always an organism associated with it, otherwise it's a useless statement.

I'm curious what the point of your post is. You by no means disproved anything I said.

From Erowid:

LD50 1270 mg/kg (male rats), 730 mg/kg (female rats) oral in sesame oil
LD50 42 mg/kg (rats) inhalation

Probably more realistic numbers than the original source I quoted you.


Erowid is an interesting source, to say the least. It's completely non-scientific; but at the same time, it has some of the most accurate collections of data that I've seen for some chemicals.

/I think you may have misread my original post.
//So far, all you've done is confirm what I said.
 
2012-11-25 01:38:25 PM  

Begoggle: Marijuana is evil.
They need to use codeine like when I was a kid.
Or morphine like my great grandparents had.



Pffbt. Those two wouldn't hold a candle to the safety and efficiency of black-tar heroin, like the 1800s.

//it was made by Bayer, too.
 
2012-11-25 01:40:11 PM  

Frederick: doglover: Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.

Thats a confusing reply; you say "no", and then go on to explain "yes". Also, for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.


You obviously don't cook with cannabis.

/Smoke the bud
//Eat the rest.
 
2012-11-25 01:41:10 PM  

mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.


I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.
 
2012-11-25 01:43:07 PM  

Night2o1: mgshamster: dopekitty74: pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."

It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.

There is more going on in cannabis than the THC they've synthesized and placed into the marinol pill. Its been clearly established that ingesting marinol is not an experience like smoking or eating cannabis. I'm sure you can put 2+2 together and realize that, hey, marinol may actually have significantly different effects than the traditional methods of administration. 

So the fact that you didn't take into account the complexity of going from a naturally occurring substance, clasically ingested for myriad reasons, to an isolated synthetic form of one component of said substance, is a big red flag that you don't know what you're taking about.


Of course there's more going on, and that's exactly the point. Mj has more than one type of cannibonoid, compared to marinol's 99.9% delta-9-thc. And earlier I did talk about the difference between routes of exposure. That's where the difference lies; not with synthetic vs natural. Where the chemicals are produced has no effect.

But there are people who honestly believe that just because something is made in a lab, it's automatically either less effective medically and/or more dangerous toxicologically.

/I'm probably the only actual toxicologist in this thread.
//Anyone else out there?
 
2012-11-25 01:44:12 PM  

JBLars: lid


UpTheIrons66: Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?

Um.. Two! I roll big joints!!!


Seriously? It took that long for someone to get the answer right?

/Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2012-11-25 01:46:19 PM  

Weaver95: netweavr:
That's a silly assertion. There is an LD50 for every substance, hell, enough water will kill a person.

do you know what sort of levels we're talking about here? cannabis is, for all practical purposes, harmless. I suppose that if you strapped someone down and force fed them pot brownies for a month then maybe there might possibly be some adverse aftereffects...but mostly they'd just get fat from the other ingredients in the brownies.


LSD, still the safest drug on the market! You physically cant OD. You just trip hard longer....alot longer.
 
2012-11-25 01:46:46 PM  
FTA:

Her mother says she gives her daughter marijuana pills to combat the effects of chemotherapy, but her father, who lives in North Dakota, worries about the effects of the drug on her brain development.

I'd be more worried about the effects of living in North Dakota on brain development.
 
2012-11-25 01:46:55 PM  
Onkel Buck: My friend's son is 11 and battling a brain tumor and all he does is play video games, and thats wtihout any medical marijauna. I think kids just like to play video games

Or else video games cause leukemia and brain tumors, regardless of medical marijuana use.
 
2012-11-25 01:48:29 PM  

ElBarto79: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.


There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term drug use than those who are not.

I've seen the question brought up for other drugs as well, but I haven't really looked into it.
 
2012-11-25 01:53:26 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: ReverendJasen: citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.

So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)

FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.


Wowsers... One or two knife or pipe hits would just fark you right up....

WANT!!
 
2012-11-25 01:56:34 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.


Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.
 
2012-11-25 01:58:00 PM  

mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...


And I live in CO right now know some REALLY successful people who also happen to be heavy pot smokers. Neither of our anecdotes are data, t least mine doesn't sound like a tired old stereotype.
 
2012-11-25 02:01:55 PM  

dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.


I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.
 
2012-11-25 02:05:11 PM  

dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: ReverendJasen: citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.

So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)

FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.

Wowsers... One or two knife or pipe hits would just fark you right up....

WANT!!


You probably don't live in Colorado but if you're ever here it is called Red Dragon CO2 Hash Oil and it comes in a syringe.
 
2012-11-25 02:06:01 PM  

mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...


Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.
 
2012-11-25 02:07:18 PM  

mgshamster: dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.

I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.


People who force psychedelic experiences on unsuspecting people are real assholes. That can really fark with someones mind. Not to mention that's a great way to waste lsd because any attempt to light lsd on fire would result in its immediate destruction. Even exposing lsd to light ruins it, it's a very fragile chemical.
 
2012-11-25 02:07:25 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

And I live in CO right now know some REALLY successful people who also happen to be heavy pot smokers. Neither of our anecdotes are data, t least mine doesn't sound like a tired old stereotype.


Huh? Are you claiming that my hypothesis is a tired old stereotype? It's a valid scientific question, which may have been answered (I don't know, and I'm not about to go looking using only my phone).

Yours may also be true. The point was long term use may not actually cause it; it might, but anecdotes won't answer the question.

I'm also not sure where the success part came in. I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested that pot use means one cannot be successful.
 
2012-11-25 02:09:00 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: And I live in CO right now know some REALLY successful people who also happen to be heavy pot smokers. Neither of our anecdotes are data, t least mine doesn't sound like a tired old stereotype.


Things are further muddled by the inescapable fact that some proportion of under-achieving marijuana users have been impaired more by a criminal record (student loans, range of employment available...) than the drug itself. Successful heavy pot smokers are probably going to be more likely to keep it discrete and avoid law enforcement entanglements...
 
2012-11-25 02:09:26 PM  
Cannabis saves lives. The father probably wants the girl to die so he can get out from under those child support and health care payments.
 
2012-11-25 02:10:00 PM  

ElBarto79: mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.


Well you just met me, I started when I was 21. I have a great job and no real financial problems. I'm able to pay all my student loan payments, my car payment, insurance, rent, etc. and I have a savings account and a 401k. I also have a small stock investing account I use to gamble on pharma stocks. Your stereotypes are weak, maybe you just associate with shiatty people.
 
2012-11-25 02:10:34 PM  

ElBarto79: mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.


That's quite a possibility. I'm not well versed in the psychology of drugs. It certainly seems to make sense.
 
2012-11-25 02:11:18 PM  

mgshamster: Her asshole incredibly stupid boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.


Immediately destroying with heat fragile molecules that I paid good money for always gives me a good laugh too.
 
2012-11-25 02:11:24 PM  

mgshamster: Communist_Manifesto: mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that ar ...


Meant to respond to elbarto, sorry I clicked the wrong post. It should be studied.
 
2012-11-25 02:11:40 PM  

AndreMA: lerxst2112: Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?

Two.

What's your name, lerxst2112?

/our judges roll big joints too


Must be Bob :)
 
2012-11-25 02:13:22 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: mgshamster: Communist_Manifesto: mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.

Considering that ld50 levels exist and have been measured, I'm going to call you out on this lie.

THC is fairly safe, but no chemical is 100% harmless. At the levels most people consume, there's nothing to worry about, but there is a point where there's enough to kill you.

Weaver, you're pretty good over on the politics tab, but please don't pretend to be an expert on toxicology.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that ar ...

Meant to respond to elbarto, sorry I clicked the wrong post. It should be studied.


Yeah, and I just realized that you weren't the op for that.
 
2012-11-25 02:15:41 PM  
FTA: "The father, Jesse Comstock, said his concerns were prompted by a visit with Mykayla in August."

EABOD then DIAF!
 
2012-11-25 02:17:23 PM  

mgshamster: dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.

I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.


Laced with acid? Weird.. Acid's normally an ingestible or absorbable, never heard of smoking it....
 
2012-11-25 02:17:31 PM  

Frederick: doglover: Frederick: Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

No. Plant leaves contain a small amount of oil along with many other things like cellulose and chlorophyll. The oil will always be more concentrated.

Look at menthol. It literally burns your eyes. Meanwhile you eat a whole stalk of mint and it won't even tickle your nose.

Hot peppers like Habenero are painful, but fun to eat. Pure pepper oil is used by the police to drop criminals.

Oil, how the hell does it work.

Thats a confusing reply; you say "no", and then go on to explain "yes". Also, for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.


joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.


????????????????
 
2012-11-25 02:22:50 PM  

dopekitty74: mgshamster: dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.

I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.

Laced with acid? Weird.. Acid's normally an ingestible or absorbable, never heard of smoking it....


Men. My memory could be off. And I'm not about to go wake up my hungover wife to ask about her ex just to get a story right for fark.

/pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint
 
2012-11-25 02:23:24 PM  

dopekitty74: mgshamster: dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.

I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.

Laced with acid? Weird.. Acid's normally an ingestible or absorbable, never heard of smoking it....


I'm pretty sure it's impossible to smoke is why you've never heard of it. If you smoke something and trip it was probably DMT, PCP or Ketamine.
 
2012-11-25 02:23:58 PM  

mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint


PCP on a joint is plausible...
 
2012-11-25 02:25:51 PM  

mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.

That's quite a possibility. I'm not well versed in the psychology of drugs. It certainly seems to make sense.


Or maybe they've discovered that money and having material crap doesn't equal happiness, while chilling to good tunes and spending time shooting the shiat and enjoying the company of your friends, or your pets DOES make one happy.
 
2012-11-25 02:26:58 PM  

AndreMA: mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint

PCP on a joint is plausible...


Also, she only knows because of what she was told afterwards, so she could been told wrongly.

What she does know is that she had a really bad hallucinogenic trip, something she's never had from just smoking pot, which she did daily for several years.
 
2012-11-25 02:27:38 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: ElBarto79: mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.

Well you just met me, I started when I was 21. I have a great job and no real financial problems. I'm able to pay all my student loan payments, my car payment, insurance, rent, etc. ...


I didn't say it was a rule, that's why I used words like "prone to". I have no problem with pot use, I used it myself recreationally. I also know people who smoke a lot of pot and are quite successful. But my general impression is the ones who were hard core potheads were more prone to these various issues. And having used it myself I can see how it affects my decision making and can see how if I was high all the time it might cause psychological problems.

I should also say I think there's a big difference between someone who smokes most days of the week after work, and someone who smokes all day, every day - a bowl or two in the morning, more during lunch and then all afternoon and into the night. The latter is basically permanently altering their mental state. If this is the life you live and it works for you then more power to you. All I was really saying is that while it's virtually impossible to overdose on marijuana, heavy usage could lead to other problems, like mental problems.
 
2012-11-25 02:35:15 PM  

dopekitty74: mgshamster: ElBarto79: mgshamster: ElBarto79: I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.

There's a causal question there. Based on your anecdote, we don't know if its the long term pot use which causes all that, or if people who are like that are simple more drawn to long term ...

Right, correlation does not equal causation. However some of the issues I saw clearly developed after people started smoking. Like money problems for example. Most hard core smokers start when they're in their teens, before they have the ability to take on lots of debt. I know plenty of non-smokers who feel a lot of stress about their financial problems and go to great lengths to solve them; taking on a second job, severely cutting expenses, whatever. However I know exactly zero hard core potheads who displayed a great deal of concern about their financial problems. Most of them in fact seemed to laugh about it. This is one area where I feel being perpetually high can affect your decision making.

That's quite a possibility. I'm not well versed in the psychology of drugs. It certainly seems to make sense.

Or maybe they've discovered that money and having material crap doesn't equal happiness, while chilling to good tunes and spending time shooting the shiat and enjoying the company of your friends, or your pets DOES make one happy.


Also a factor that needs to be considered.

When I first heard this causal question, it had nothing to do with pot. It was about mental disorders and heavy drug addiction (like coke and meth), and it was asking why there are an inordinate amount of heavy drug addicts that also have mental disorders (I think schizophrenia was one of the major ones).

It's pretty rare that I hear this causal question with pot - at least in the scientific circles I associate with. Most of my colleagues don't care about pot being dangerous, mostly because there's so little to worry about.
 
2012-11-25 02:37:06 PM  

mgshamster: AndreMA: mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint

PCP on a joint is plausible...

Also, she only knows because of what she was told afterwards, so she could been told wrongly.

What she does know is that she had a really bad hallucinogenic trip, something she's never had from just smoking pot, which she did daily for several years.


Yeah... anyone irresponsible enough to drug someone without their knowledge and consent can't be trusted to be truthful or know what the substance involved was.
 
2012-11-25 02:43:29 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Inquisitive Inquisitor: All I heard from the father was "I hate my ex-wife and I want custody".

Can you blame him?


Yes, I can. Science has proven that cannabis helps alleviate symptoms of cancer. That she's 7 is immaterial to me. He'd no doubt be perfectly content with watching the mother pump her full of synthetic narcotics for pain and nausea. Those same narcotics pose a more serious risk of addiction and have more powerful side effects, yet they're a-okay in his book.

It's hypocritical and his statements are based entirely on buying into the retarded "marijuana is bad" propaganda.
 
2012-11-25 02:47:34 PM  

dopekitty74: mgshamster: dopekitty74: Communist_Manifesto: WhoGAS: Grestep: I like how all the talk has been about THC. There is more the cannabis than THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the other big cannabinoid in it, and it has different effects than THC.

Thank you.

/Plus it's amusing watching people responding to someone claiming to be a user when the real users can see right through the bullshiat story that person's slinging.

It is funny. My favorite is when people claim dealers lace weed with other shiat. All those other drugs are wayyyyyyy more expensive than weed, and criminal drug dealers don't operate on charity.

Omg, ssooooo much this. If i've ever had laced weed, it's because *I* laced it. Did that once with a bit of coke, wasn't impressed.

I've only heard of one case where a joint was laced with something without someone's knowledge. Happened to my wife before I met her. Her asshole boyfriend laced the joint with lsd without telling her because he thought it would be funny.

Laced with acid? Weird.. Acid's normally an ingestible or absorbable, never heard of smoking it....


That's because it's impossible!
 
2012-11-25 02:50:06 PM  

Bontesla: themindiswatching: As opposed to the chemotherapy's side effects, right?

Came here to say this


Not according to the folks with MDs.

/Because yeah, if the doctor's saying no, then she should not be taking that stuff. And never in those amounts.
//The amount of brain growth in childhood is pretty astounding. Farking it up with ANYTHING is a bad idea. If marijuina absolutely HAS to be used, which the doctors say it doesn't, then it should be at the lowest possible dose like any other pain medication given to a child.
 
2012-11-25 02:52:36 PM  
I smoked pot from the time I was 13 regularly til my late 20's. I quit because my wife complained I would get high in the morning on weekends, she said I was stupid for the rest of the day. Guess who turned out to smoke an ounce a month for the last 15 years? Yep the ex-wife. I tried smoking it a few years later and sat there trying to convince myself I was having a good time, and obviously was more paranoid than anything. Haven't touched it since.
/doesn't hate on recreational users
//BF says he doesn't smoke anymore cuz he loves it too much
 
2012-11-25 02:52:48 PM  

DownDaRiver: joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.


????????????????


What's the problem here?
 
2012-11-25 02:53:28 PM  

dopekitty74: Or maybe they've discovered that money and having material crap doesn't equal happiness, while chilling to good tunes and spending time shooting the shiat and enjoying the company of your friends, or your pets DOES make one happy.


Right, this may well be. I don't really have a problem with people living this lifestyle if it makes them happy, however some of these people who I knew also had kids, which is something that does give me pause.
 
2012-11-25 02:53:48 PM  

Weaver95:
it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


That's (as far as we know) true for adults, but NOT for children. Review the fMRI research into the adult brains of people who smoked heavily as teens. Their brains do develop differently. How much of that difference amounts to damage is, admittedly, currently unknown.

OTOH, chemo damages absolutely everything, from brain to bones. It's just a not-quite-fatal dose of a poison that happens to be a little more poisonous to the cancer cells than your normal cells. What that crap is doing to the poor kid's brain is anyone's guess, but it beats dying of leukemia at age 7.

If she was my little girl, I'd certainly consider cannabis, but I'd need to do more research. Zofran is pretty good at nausea control as well, approximately equal in my personal experience, and is approved for kids. But I don't know how much we know about long-term pediatric use.

That cannabis dose seems creepily high for a child. But if I built up gradually to that level, and that's what it took to give her relief and Zofran was ruled out for some reason, I guess I'd end up there myself rather than letting her vomit herself to death. I see no comfortable, easy answers here.
 
2012-11-25 02:54:31 PM  

AndreMA: mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint

PCP on a joint is plausible...


Buck nekkid. Wet. Smoke enough sherm and you're liable to do anything.
 
2012-11-25 03:08:51 PM  

iheartscotch: LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: Everyone knows that you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes while pregnant; why would pot be any different?

Everyone knows you're not supposed to drink wine while pregnant; why would grape juice be any different?

Hey now! Smoking is still smoking; it is known that smoking cigarettes is causal in birth defects. Why risk it? It could be harmless, but, how would you feel if that child had any adverse effects?

I don't know, one way or the other; but it seems like an unnecessary risk.


I'd agree about smoking, but you're making an invalid generalization: While smoking is the most common way recreational cannabis users consume (because it hits faster), vaporizers or making oil to use in food/drinks is quite popular among the medical users. Medical users' goal is often to maintain a certain level of THC in the bloodstream, and eating is far easier to manage for that purpose. Note the boyfriend is making oil, so clearly has the materials and know-how.

Really, cannabis use DOES NOT EQUAL smoking.
 
2012-11-25 03:11:13 PM  

Frederick: the leafs are discarded.


In late October, that's absolutely correct. At least in non-strike years.
 
2012-11-25 03:12:28 PM  

iheartscotch: I still think that ingesting drugs while pregnant is a bad idea.

During the later stages of pregnancy; you are not supposed to take perscribed medicine, like pain pills and allergy stuff.

I'm not saying pot is bad; I'm saying the best time to be smoking/ingesting pot is not while you are pregnant


Agreed!
 
2012-11-25 03:15:43 PM  

thamike: AndreMA: mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint

PCP on a joint is plausible...

Buck nekkid. Wet. Smoke enough sherm and you're liable to do anything.


I'm in Debo's pigeon coop sweating like a slave, and the only person who could get me out was my Moms.
 
2012-11-25 03:23:06 PM  
Lay in bed and play video games? Thor's Blessed Hammer! Do you know what that means? That means that nearly every single teenage boy in America is a dope fiend!
 
2012-11-25 03:30:05 PM  
Dad likely believes Jesus rode dinosaurs, the Governmnet tells only the truth and only whores get high.

/did not read TFA
//making broad generalizations is fun
 
2012-11-25 03:30:19 PM  

Mock26: That means that nearly every single teenage boy in America is a dope fiend!


You know, if you apply the propaganda speech from fear and loathing in las vegas, it would apply to teenage boys almost wholly with the exception of tea-shades being out of fashion:

"KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of Tea-Shades, But his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck. - The Chief"
 
2012-11-25 03:36:23 PM  

Somaticasual: Mock26: That means that nearly every single teenage boy in America is a dope fiend!

You know, if you apply the propaganda speech from fear and loathing in las vegas, it would apply to teenage boys almost wholly with the exception of tea-shades being out of fashion:

"KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of Tea-Shades, But his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck. - The Chief"


Groovy. Groooooooovy.
 
2012-11-25 04:23:36 PM  
i have changed my position, the devil can lace up his ice skates. lets make pot legal.
 
2012-11-25 04:28:21 PM  

oh_please: JBLars: lid

UpTheIrons66: Happy Hours: doglover: joints are not a standardized unit of measurement;

How many joints are in a lid?

Um.. Two! I roll big joints!!!

Seriously? It took that long for someone to get the answer right?

/Fark, I am disappoint.


Really. Not very far out, solid, or right on, people

/Back to making table candles...
 
2012-11-25 04:28:46 PM  

ElBarto79:
I lived in Colorado for awhile and knew plenty of stoners. Pot may not be dangerous physically but my general impression is that long term, heavy pot users were prone to psychological issues and personality disorders. For example, many of them seem to have serious financial problems, and many of them are almost compulsive liars. This could come from a lifetime of hiding the extent of your drug use from friends, family and coworkers. My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way. 

I can understand giving a child a reasonable dose to control medical symptoms but keeping a young child high for weeks on end is not healthy, could affect her mental development and in my opinion is a form of abuse.


I gotta say that people who focus their lives so much one one thing (especially when that thing is drugs/alcohol) already had some kind of problem.

Beowoolfie:

Agree so much with what you said.
 
2012-11-25 04:29:11 PM  

mgshamster: Night2o1: mgshamster: dopekitty74: pciszek: red5ish: Wasn't there a study recently that showed marijuana use by young teens inhibited brain development. Because that would explain a lot of - look a cow!

This is a valid question. What, if anything, is known about the effect of THC on developing young brains? Both pro- and anti-marijuana factions are dogmatic about this sort of thing, and tend to base their statements on ideology rather than quantitative data.

Also, what is the scoop on the various derivatives and variants of THC that I read about from time to time? Supposedly there are some that have the medical benefits of THC (whatever those are supposed to be) without the recreational properties, leaving people more "functional". Perhaps one of those might be better for a child?

I expect that at some point that one of the non-recreational derivatives will become a prescription drug, and the federal government's policy will be "If you really need marijuana for medical purposes and aren't just looking to get high, OK, fine, here is your medical version."

It already exists. It's called Marinol, and from the reviews i've read, it either doesn't do what normal pot would do because it's a synthetic, or sometimes it farks with people's brains (usually in cases of dementia patients)

If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.

There is more going on in cannabis than the THC they've synthesized and placed into the marinol pill. Its been clearly established that ingesting marinol is not an experience like smoking or eating cannabis. I'm sure you can put 2+2 together and realize that, hey, marinol may actually have significantly different effects than the traditional methods of administration. 

So the fact that you didn't take into account the complexity of going from a naturally occurring substance, clasically ingested for myriad reasons, to an isolated synthetic form of one component of said substance, is a big red flag that you don't know what you're taking about.

Of course there's more going on, and that's exactly the point. Mj has more than one type of cannibonoid, compared to marinol's 99.9% delta-9-thc. And earlier I did talk about the difference between routes of exposure. That's where the difference lies; not with synthetic vs natural. Where the chemicals are produced has no effect.

But there are people who honestly believe that just because something is made in a lab, it's automatically either less effective medically and/or more dangerous toxicologically.

/I'm probably the only actual toxicologist in this thread.
//Anyone else out there?


Med chemist here. So, for the purposes of this thread, close enough. I'm totally with you. Lots of stupid around here today. I don't think I'm going to read any more of this thread, to be honest.
 
2012-11-25 04:33:59 PM  

Loren: There's also the issue of dosing--when you smoke it you can do a much better job of calibrating the dose to your symptoms than you can with a pill or suppository. (Yes, marinol comes in suppositories--what good is an anti-nausea pill for someone who can't keep it down?)


This is what I hear too, from my relative who is on it - and was quite familiar with regular recreational smoking method before ever getting a prescription.

The oil pills are (1) crazy expensive, and (2) often "too much" of not quite the right thing. According to him, there can be a "headspace feels weird" going on but without any proper nice "high" feeling either. Before using pills, he would sometimes smoke but if that wasn't an option where we were, he'd eat some brownies taken along for the purpose. With those methods, you can take a bit at a time (one puff, one bite, whatever). The standard single dose pills for adults are kinda large amount, I guess.

Alas the state is not cool with all kinds of home gardening, so... pills it is.

If the kid in TFA is actually complaining about head feeling weird and it not being pleasant, could be she just needs a smaller dose. Either way yeah the mom probably should be more open about all of it with the kid's doctors.

I've never taken any marijuana pills myself, but I have been on opiates for pain (back problems!) and was told that the liver-damaging part of that is the tylenol they mix in, and they mix it in specifically to put a consequence on abuse so that addicts don't go too overboard. Dunno. All I can say though is while I was on a very small dose, it made it really hard to pee AND had me motion sick just sitting around the house (that side effect hits me HARD, apparently) and so I had to take Dramamine just to be able to sit and do anything remotely productive at all.
 
2012-11-25 04:36:31 PM  
I don't smoke pot any more since I moved from California where I had a card but I still have a Marinol prescription (its FDA approved). Also, I just won an Emmy award.

So I'm getting a kick?
 
2012-11-25 04:47:04 PM  

ElBarto79: My feeling is that casual pot use is fine, but if you're spending the majority of your life high it's going to affect your decision making, the friends you keep, your work, everything, and not always in a good way.


Same can be said for plenty of recreational experiences though, and not only drugs (like alcohol) either. I mean, if you spend the majority of your life watching TV or playing video games to the exclusion of getting your work done, you will also not get far in life.

There's something to be said for the skill (learned or inborn tendency) of "do the day's required tasks before playing," whether that be cracking open a beer, lighting up enough joint to get actually high, or starting in watching some marathon of TV that you won't have the willpower to turn off.

I'll admit that while I don't use pot myself I'm in favor of legalizing it (and I do think a lot of the medical exemption stuff does get abused for recreation - though I have no problem with recreational use so I don't really care to police it). However I can understand wanting to put some limit (official or otherwise) on minors' use, mainly so they get their studies done - though if they've tried it already, odds are that horse is out.

That said of course, there's the whole argument over whether it might actually be healthier to NOT make drugs (such as alcohol) such "forbidden fruit" for the young, perhaps they'd use less even if more frequently, and learn not to be stupid.
 
2012-11-25 04:55:28 PM  
Under normal circumstances I would be against giving pot to someone so young. However, the leukemia and chemo are going to have a much more devastating affect on the kids health so any problems caused by pot will be inconsequential by comparison. The benefits outweigh the harm.
 
2012-11-25 04:57:06 PM  
A note to the mom. Pot isn't some magic herb. It isn't curing your daughter. The chemo is doing that. The pot is making it possible for her to tolerate the chemo, though.
 
2012-11-25 08:25:11 PM  
Late to the party, but fark this guy. I went through cancer when I was a teenager and the Marinol pills kept me from puking my guts out all day. To this day it's the only form of marijuana I've ever had in my system.

To conclude, fark this guy.
 
2012-11-25 08:44:03 PM  

doglover: Frederick: for what its worth joints are rolled from the fruit (buds) of the plant -the leafs are discarded.

It's worth about 5-10 years in PMITA in Japan, for some odd reason. I wanna go to WA and CO now.


Me too, buddy.
 
2012-11-25 08:58:16 PM  

Weaver95: Frederick: FTFA:
"She's had up to 1.2 grams of cannabis oil in 24 hours, the rough equivalent of smoking 10 joints."

Citation?

Is the implication cannabis oil is 10x stronger than cannabis?

There were several questionable statements in that article.

you could make cannabis oil 1100% stronger and it wouldn't do any permanent harm. the body uses what it can, then stores the rest in fat cells. and when THOSE fill up, it flushes the leftovers.

it's literally impossible for cannabis to damage the human body.


Total bullshiat. A ten ton sack of THC falling on you would kill you dead.
 
2012-11-25 10:40:47 PM  

SundaesChild: That's all *I* want to do and I'm not even a stoner.


I second this ^
 
2012-11-25 11:52:17 PM  
First off, it's leukemia. She's lucky if she LIVES long enough to suffer the long-term affects of the drugs she's taking right now.

Secondly, IT'S FARKING LEUKEMIA. If the stuff helps her eat and sleep with the added benefit, yes benefit, of making this whole thing suck a lot less I say go for it.

Just watch the concentrations. A little kid probably doesn't need anywhere near the amount an adult does to be effective. And contrary to whatever the hippy-dippy mom thinks, that stuff isn't going to cure squat.
 
2012-11-25 11:53:56 PM  

skyn_floote: SundaesChild: That's all *I* want to do and I'm not even a stoner.

I second this ^


Ditto.
 
2012-11-26 12:24:57 AM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: Once it hits the anus, they're bound to find out.


Boy, it's a sad day in Farkistan when this comment doesn't get any love.

Kudos, my friend - I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2012-11-26 02:18:22 AM  

mgshamster: If you ever read or hear that it isn't the same because it's synthetic (vs the other being effective because it's natural), that's a big red flag that let's you know the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Whether it's synthetic or natural has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a chemical.


Of note--what they're probably saying (in overly simplified layman's terms) is that marijuana contains cannabinoids besides THC, and (in the very, very few studies that have been done outside of the US--unfortunately, thanks to the DEA, controlled studies on medicinal properties of marijuana are next to impossible to conduct) there is at least some evidence to point to non-THC cannabinoids being the actual agents in marijuana that control nausea, etc.

(There is presently some work being done to isolate these and refine them to single pharmacological agents and to make "non-THC cannabinoid analogues" that might have the pharmacological effects without getting one high (which would mean that these could be sold as unscheduled drugs in the US); there is also some evidence to suggest that the mix of cannabinoids in marijuana may actually be synergistic, and if this is the case, it may be difficult to come up with "medical marijuana in pill form" without essentially creating artificial hash oil.)

/had an uncle who used medical marijuana in his last months of life (died of terminal cancer of the adrenal glands)--was about the only thing that kept pain tolerable for him and let him be able to eat
//will be surprised and pleased if medical marijuana, much less legalisation proper, happens in Kentucky before I die--we're one of those states that's had some issues even getting the issue brought up in the legislature, much less submitted for public vote
 
2012-11-26 05:28:41 AM  

AndreMA: mgshamster: /pretty sure it was LSD
//not so sure it was a joint

PCP on a joint is plausible...


An old frient use to lace joints with ground-up No-doze caffein pills and offer to people without telling them. Guess he thought that was funny. One would end up with a buzzy high (tend to talk fast) and a big caffeine headache at the front of the head.
 
2012-11-26 02:09:39 PM  
lostinthepast.shunpike.net
Leukoplakia is no laughing matter!
 
2012-11-26 03:52:57 PM  
How many joints are in a lid?


***************************************
2 .... I roll big joints.

Can't believe these people didn't know that one. NOT Obscure to REAL FARKERS.
 
2012-11-26 05:46:57 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: ReverendJasen: citoriman: THC is definitely fairly harmless. Extrapolating the ld50 for mice would indicate that around 33 grams of pure THC would be needed to kill 50% of 150 lb humans.

So if we took several lbs of high grade Krypto, distilled every last mg of oil out of it, and assuming we have a fanciful 90% THC in this oil, we might have the nearly two cups necessary to kill someone.
Sounds like a very expensive way to kill someone. :)

FYI in CO I juts bought some CO2 Extract Oil that was 80% thc. Half a gram was $25 if I remember correctly.


You can try to kill me with that if you want. (estes park)
 
2012-11-26 05:49:57 PM  

Amberleia: I have no problem with medical marijuana when it's needed. When my mom had cancer, I actually tried to get her to try it when none of her meds could help her nausea. I'm gonna side with the dad in this case though, because, "Purchase said Mykayla's first oncologist called the marijuana use "inappropriate." She has not informed her new oncologist about the treatment."

If oncologist #1 thought it was contraindicated, and oncologist #2 isn't even aware it's being administered, who medically approved it? Her oncologist needs to be aware of every medicine she's taking.


Know that some doctors will refuse to prescribe Marijuana ANYTHING because of personal reasons.
Just like a pharmacist might deny dispensing the "Day After Pill" because of their personal beliefs.
 
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