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(The Atlantic)   A look at early American sex scandals. Slaves, widows in mourning, and nieces, oh my   (theatlantic.com) divider line 53
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2012-11-25 08:16:16 AM
fap fap fap
 
2012-11-25 08:25:59 AM
Very interesting read.
 
2012-11-25 08:31:25 AM
Giggity
 
2012-11-25 08:37:34 AM
georgetakei.com
 
2012-11-25 08:38:48 AM
The guy who married one of his slaves had the right idea. That way when you tell her to get to the kitchen, she really doesn't have any choice but to obey!
 
2012-11-25 08:40:09 AM
"Unlike Jefferson, Clay, Poindexter, and others, I married my wife under the eyes of God, and apparently He has found no objections." Despite his love for his wife, Johnson never freed her and she was his slave until she died.

Possibly there were legal reasons for keeping his wife technically a slave. I did like that slam on Jefferson. Apparently, that was common knowledge even in the early 1800s.
 
2012-11-25 08:42:19 AM
Sex scandals are as old as dirt, but every time one happens everyone is just so shocked.

/scandalous
 
2012-11-25 08:46:20 AM

one small post for man: Sex scandals are as old as dirt, but every time one happens everyone is just so shocked.

/scandalous


Possibly because they weren't getting the same amount of action themselves.
 
2012-11-25 08:47:04 AM
i.imgur.com

Johnson, Clarkson. Clarkson, Johnson...
 
2012-11-25 08:55:14 AM
Portraits of said neices or gtfo
 
2012-11-25 08:57:41 AM
I always figured Jefferson kept her as a slave because it was the only sociably acceptable reason to share a home with a black woman. From other accounts I've read of freed women and their former masters, if he freed her and she kept living with him...well, it probably wouldn't end well for her. Jefferson's ownership probably protected her.
 
2012-11-25 09:12:24 AM

Ooba Tooba: Portraits of said neices or gtfo


Hellooooo, niece!
 
2012-11-25 09:12:34 AM

gadian: I always figured Jefferson kept her as a slave because it was the only sociably acceptable reason to share a home with a black woman. From other accounts I've read of freed women and their former masters, if he freed her and she kept living with him...well, it probably wouldn't end well for her. Jefferson's ownership probably protected her.


We humans are a farked up species.
 
2012-11-25 09:19:43 AM

Smoking GNU: We humans are a farked up species.


No arguments here.
 
2012-11-25 09:31:14 AM
Hangs ups over sexuality confuse me. What happens between two consenting adults is really none of anyone else's business. Nor should it be so shocking that lives are ruined over it.

/Prudes
 
2012-11-25 09:43:54 AM

thepostess: Hangs ups over sexuality confuse me. What happens between two consenting adults is really none of anyone else's business. Nor should it be so shocking that lives are ruined over it.

/Prudes


Do you mean that we shouldn't be shocked that lives are ruined because of it, or that we shouldn't be so shocked that lives GET ruined?
 
2012-11-25 09:51:46 AM

gadian: I always figured Jefferson kept her as a slave because it was the only sociably acceptable reason to share a home with a black woman. From other accounts I've read of freed women and their former masters, if he freed her and she kept living with him...well, it probably wouldn't end well for her. Jefferson's ownership probably protected her.


Does he the kids upon his death? Who gets his stuff?

The test is in his will.
 
2012-11-25 09:53:56 AM
Ah, Hamilton. The best President we never had.
 
2012-11-25 10:00:03 AM
No mention of Andrew Jackson's wife Rebecca ? List fails
 
2012-11-25 10:13:31 AM

gadian: I always figured Jefferson kept her as a slave because it was the only sociably acceptable reason to share a home with a black woman. From other accounts I've read of freed women and their former masters, if he freed her and she kept living with him...well, it probably wouldn't end well for her. Jefferson's ownership probably protected her.


Maybe she was just into that sort of thing.
 
2012-11-25 10:16:48 AM
Spelling fail. Back to 3rd grade, go I.
 
2012-11-25 10:22:34 AM
Heh, Richard Johnson.
 
2012-11-25 10:23:39 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: No mention of Andrew Jackson's wife Rebecca ? List fails


Rachel. Rebecca was his other wife;-)
 
2012-11-25 10:30:30 AM

redmond24: gadian: I always figured Jefferson kept her as a slave because it was the only sociably acceptable reason to share a home with a black woman. From other accounts I've read of freed women and their former masters, if he freed her and she kept living with him...well, it probably wouldn't end well for her. Jefferson's ownership probably protected her.

Does he the kids upon his death? Who gets his stuff?

The test is in his will.


If I remember correctly, he freed all the kids and tried to set them up in respectable careers. however, in most southern states it was illegal to pass property on to illegitimate children. It was also often explicitly stated that white men could not give property to their free children of color. Folks often found ways around this. Often they gave them "gifts" before they died. Or they took advantage of legal loopholes. I know of a man in Louisiana who laundered his estate through a friend who then passed it on to the man's mixed race son as a "loan" that was never repaid. But, in such a situation, other potential heirs could sue and if the proved their case get the estate back. In this case, their was a lawsuit but the friend lied through his teeth to protect the man's son.

Americans were particularly f-ed up about the whole mixed race children thing. In the Caribbean (and Louisiana before it was Americanized) it was perfectly acceptable to recognize your "colored" wife and your "colored" children and leave them whatever property you wanted.
 
2012-11-25 10:31:14 AM
I'll just share this cartoon about Grover Cleveland with you all:

upload.wikimedia.org

To counter Cleveland's image of superior morality, Republicans discovered reports that Cleveland had fathered an illegitimate child while he was a lawyer in Buffalo, and chanted "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?".[76] When confronted with the emerging scandal, Cleveland's instructions to his campaign staff were: "Tell the truth."[77] Cleveland admitted to paying child support in 1874 to Maria Crofts Halpin, the woman who claimed he fathered her child named Oscar Folsom Cleveland.[76] Halpin was involved with several men at the time, including Cleveland's friend and law partner, Oscar Folsom, for whom the child was also named.[76] Cleveland did not know which man was the father, and is believed to have assumed responsibility because he was the only bachelor among them.[76]

Well, huh. How about that.
 
2012-11-25 10:35:55 AM

Smoking GNU: thepostess: Hangs ups over sexuality confuse me. What happens between two consenting adults is really none of anyone else's business. Nor should it be so shocking that lives are ruined over it.

/Prudes

Do you mean that we shouldn't be shocked that lives are ruined because of it, or that we shouldn't be so shocked that lives GET ruined?


We should not be so shocked that live GET ruined. People FARK, it's really not all that shocking. Morals RULES are what make people be shocked by this behavior, not the behavior itself, IMHO.
 
2012-11-25 10:43:51 AM
I think the article was incorrect in assuming that Jefferson viewed Hamilton as a potential presidential rival since Hamilton was born in the British West Indies and ineligible to run for president.
 
2012-11-25 10:46:20 AM
"Ma, Ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, Ha Ha Ha!"
 
2012-11-25 11:16:17 AM

Pentaxian: I think the article was incorrect in assuming that Jefferson viewed Hamilton as a potential presidential rival since Hamilton was born in the British West Indies and ineligible to run for president.


I think the first nine POTUS were born in British colonies.
 
2012-11-25 11:21:08 AM

herrDrFarkenstein: Pentaxian: I think the article was incorrect in assuming that Jefferson viewed Hamilton as a potential presidential rival since Hamilton was born in the British West Indies and ineligible to run for president.

I think the first nine POTUS were born in British colonies.


7. Martin Van Buren, the 8th POTUS, was the first natural born citizen.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
 
2012-11-25 11:30:52 AM
FTFA: Henry Hammond. When he got older, he had relationships with four of his own nieces; in his diaries, he blamed the girls for coming on to him.

Come on now. One or two nieces, maybe. But four? That's just greed.
 
2012-11-25 11:50:02 AM
Made me think of this:

3.bp.blogspot.com

"I demand to be comforted. Give me my widow's due! Do to me, Jamie!"
 
2012-11-25 12:19:28 PM

Commander Lysdexic: gadian: I always figured Jefferson kept her as a slave because it was the only sociably acceptable reason to share a home with a black woman. From other accounts I've read of freed women and their former masters, if he freed her and she kept living with him...well, it probably wouldn't end well for her. Jefferson's ownership probably protected her.

Maybe she was just into that sort of thing.


She forgot her safeword
 
2012-11-25 12:38:13 PM
 
2012-11-25 12:40:42 PM
You know who else had an affair with his niece?
 
2012-11-25 01:06:13 PM
Fluorescent Testicle:
You know who else had an affair with his niece?

Uh... Philip IV of Spain? Jerry Lee Lewis? Lord Voldemort?
 
2012-11-25 01:17:08 PM

No Such Agency: I'll just share this cartoon about Grover Cleveland with you all:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 607x562]

To counter Cleveland's image of superior morality, Republicans discovered reports that Cleveland had fathered an illegitimate child while he was a lawyer in Buffalo, and chanted "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?".[76] When confronted with the emerging scandal, Cleveland's instructions to his campaign staff were: "Tell the truth."[77] Cleveland admitted to paying child support in 1874 to Maria Crofts Halpin, the woman who claimed he fathered her child named Oscar Folsom Cleveland.[76] Halpin was involved with several men at the time, including Cleveland's friend and law partner, Oscar Folsom, for whom the child was also named.[76] Cleveland did not know which man was the father, and is believed to have assumed responsibility because he was the only bachelor among them.[76]

Well, huh. How about that.


So Cleveland wasn't the father after all.

What a skank ass ho. Was Oscar her 'fall back' if Cleveland's checks fell through? Who else was she boning? Would she beat Marisol's record?
 
2012-11-25 03:09:40 PM

No Such Agency: I'll just share this cartoon about Grover Cleveland with you all:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 607x562]

To counter Cleveland's image of superior morality, Republicans discovered reports that Cleveland had fathered an illegitimate child while he was a lawyer in Buffalo, and chanted "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?".[76] When confronted with the emerging scandal, Cleveland's instructions to his campaign staff were: "Tell the truth."[77] Cleveland admitted to paying child support in 1874 to Maria Crofts Halpin, the woman who claimed he fathered her child named Oscar Folsom Cleveland.[76] Halpin was involved with several men at the time, including Cleveland's friend and law partner, Oscar Folsom, for whom the child was also named.[76] Cleveland did not know which man was the father, and is believed to have assumed responsibility because he was the only bachelor among them.[76]

Well, huh. How about that.


Gotta say, given the time period, that ain't actually a slam on the guy. Especially if he stuck around and helped raise the kid.
 
2012-11-25 03:13:50 PM
The O'Neale-Eaton marriage scandalized the women of Washington, who made sure their husbands knew just how to feel on the matter.

Defenders of Marriage, circa 1820s.

Busy bodies gettin' busy.
 
2012-11-25 03:20:52 PM

Xetal: The guy who married one of his slaves had the right idea. That way when you tell her to get to the kitchen, she really doesn't have any choice but to obey!


Back then, a wife didn't have more rights than a slave. I figure he just thought, why bother?
 
2012-11-25 03:50:07 PM
Oh yeah I am sure that ugly old dude had his 4 neices hitting on him. He totally wasnt molesting them at all.
 
2012-11-25 04:15:27 PM
The problem is that these days...this all happens in a month. (without the slavery part)
 
2012-11-25 06:06:12 PM

quatchi: The O'Neale-Eaton marriage scandalized the women of Washington, who made sure their husbands knew just how to feel on the matter.

Defenders of Marriage, circa 1820s.

Busy bodies gettin' busy.


There was more reason to defend marriage, back then.
If you can't vote, your life is not your own, your name is not your own,
your livelihood may or may not be your own, you can only attend
women's colleges, you were forbidden or highly discouraged from
entering certain forms of higher education, you were expected
be a homemaker unless you were dead broke, your husband
owns your fortune, unless you are very very very lucky and
connected....

a chick who flaunts her sexuality, and shrugs off accusations
of affair, is a very real threat.

This chick was no innocent, who tried to be friends with the ladiesand was rebuffed
no matter what she did. This was a chick who said 'I don't need female friends',
used what she had and used men to get what she wanted............... only to end up
used by a man at the very end.

If you read her wiki, she was a ho and proud of not only being a ho, but of also using having her Powers of Punani sought by the Powerful.

Did she ever use her powers for good, though? or just general ho'ing?

I don't think so. Take Alice Roosevelt, Teddy's girl, as a contrast. 

Ms. Eaton would make a marvelous celebutard/socialite, a la Paris Hilton. And like Paris Hilton, that's all she'd be. But the world needs garden-variety gossip fodder as much as Angelina Jolies.
 
2012-11-25 07:25:56 PM
PsiChick:
Cleveland did not know which man was the father, and is believed to have assumed responsibility because he was the only bachelor among them.[76]

Well, huh. How about that.

Gotta say, given the time period, that ain't actually a slam on the guy


No, no I don't think it is.
 
2012-11-25 08:17:41 PM

b0rg9: Johnson, Clarkson. Clarkson, Johnson...


I don't get it.
 
2012-11-25 08:32:11 PM

Pentaxian: I think the article was incorrect in assuming that Jefferson viewed Hamilton as a potential presidential rival since Hamilton was born in the British West Indies and ineligible to run for president.


Think again, my friend.

" No person except a natural-born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"-Article II, Section 1, the Constitution of the United States."

Not only did Hamilton meet these qualifications, some have argued that it was written to include him as a potential future candidate.
 
2012-11-25 08:38:24 PM
Remember, the idea that America's founders were anything less than perfect, ideal human beings is part of a secular liberal conspiracy to poison our youth against unquestioning belief in American exceptionalism.

Think of the children!
 
2012-11-25 08:45:31 PM
Also, for understandable reasons (related to the history of his mother and their relationship) Hamilton was a sucker for the whole "damsel in distress" thing, allowing it to interfere with his better judgement on occasion.
 
2012-11-25 09:02:17 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Nieces ain't nothing new.


Interesting. You can see the 'evolution' of Hapsburg jaw in the portraits. Seems some of the women exhibited it too, to some degree.

Dummy me, I thought it was only the guys that were affected (Y-linked recessive or something).
 
2012-11-26 01:54:25 AM
This chick was no innocent, who tried to be friends with the ladiesand was rebuffed
no matter what she did. This was a chick who said 'I don't need female friends',
used what she had and used men to get what she wanted............... only to end up
used by a man at the very end.


Really? Had not heard that one.

Three years after the death of her second husband, Margaret Eaton married an Italian music teacher and dancing master, Antonio Gabriele Buchignani, on June 7, 1859.[11] She was 59 and he was 19. The marriage reignited much of the social stigma Margaret had carried earlier in life. In 1866, their seventh year of marriage, Buchignani ran off to Europe with the bulk of his wife's fortune and as well as her 17-year-old granddaughter Emily E. Randolph, whom he married after he and his wife divorced in 1869.[12]

Cruel story, Bro.
 
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