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(Daily Mail)   Not only does being a member of the UK Independence Party disqualifies one from being foster parents, it also bans volunteering in places where children congregate. Isn't Liberalism awesome?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 129
    More: Followup, UK Independence Party, Human Rights Commission, Rotherham, party conference, forced marriages, Nigel Farage, female genitalia, Anne Murgatroyd  
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 06:34:29 AM  
So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.
 
2012-11-25 06:35:55 AM  

vpb: So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.


Links to racism hasnt been proven yet. Asking for immigration reform (and, unlike other "racist" organizations, they dont want to stop it completely) does not a racist make.
 
2012-11-25 06:54:19 AM  
I've never heard of the UK Independence party. Is this their John Birch Society or something?
 
2012-11-25 06:55:07 AM  

cman: Links to racism hasnt been proven yet.


that she was declined on account of her political party hasn't been proven.

let's just take a moment to wank at the mailonline being a wank to begin with, then we'll give the oookie-cookie to the poster with the best pony picture.
 
2012-11-25 06:57:57 AM  
More UK Council idiocy? Sheesh,
 
2012-11-25 06:57:59 AM  

heap: that she was declined on account of her political party hasn't been proven.


True. I hereby retract my statement in full as it is premature.
 
2012-11-25 06:58:40 AM  
A shattering denunciation of all "liberalism" everywhere!

I'm sobbing as I tear up my Che Guevara shirts and suddenly find that condoms outrage my religious whargarbl.
 
2012-11-25 07:03:47 AM  

Alphax: I've never heard of the UK Independence party. Is this their John Birch Society or something?


Same here - but that, when googled, their site's blurb feels the need to reassure us that they're merely a "Libertarian, non-racist party" is not promising as to any sort of non-whargarbality from that direction.

/cf. Ron "You say "secession" like it's a BAD thing!" Paul
 
2012-11-25 07:03:47 AM  

heap: cman: Links to racism hasnt been proven yet.

that she was declined on account of her political party hasn't been proven.

let's just take a moment to wank at the mailonline being a wank to begin with, then we'll give the oookie-cookie to the poster with the best pony picture.


Can we also wank at subtard for such a trolly headline?
 
2012-11-25 07:03:57 AM  

Kibbler: A shattering denunciation of all "liberalism" everywhere!

I'm sobbing as I tear up my Che Guevara shirts and suddenly find that condoms outrage my religious whargarbl.


Take it easy there, champ; sometimes the Daily Fail is a bit slanted. Let's hear what Rush Limbaugh has to say about this before we make any conclusions.
 
2012-11-25 07:06:12 AM  

Glenford:

Can we also wank at subtard for such a trolly headline?



while making eye contact, no less.
 
2012-11-25 07:09:06 AM  
"My argument was that, yes, I do oppose forced marriage and female genital mutilation and family killings but that does not make me unsuitable to befriend young people.'"

Fair enough. Now I'd like to hear what she considers bad about "multiculturalism", is she one of those farktards that think if we allow "others" into our neighborhoods that we're going to have human sacrifice in the streets within a week?

Regardless of how nice she is, the discussion is meaningless in this case, since it isn't the big bad gov't, no matter how many times Subby insists that it is while flogging the dog. This one is a charity making an internal decision, period. But hey, at least Ms Murgatoyd(or whatever her name is) got to be in the newspaper, that's always good for a few months' of dinner conversation amongst the family and neighbors, all of whom will get a copy of the paper from her by the end of the week.

Sorry Subby, congrats on the green and all, but your assertion doesn't stand up. These guys can make any decision they want, right or wrong, logical or stupid.
 
2012-11-25 07:09:28 AM  

cman: heap: that she was declined on account of her political party hasn't been proven.

True. I hereby retract my statement in full as it is premature.


Moments like this remind me why I don't add you to my ignore list.

Though I am curious if you can think of a time in which a country toughened its immigration in response to anything but an unpopular ethnic or religious group coming in large numbers? As in, it was prompted by a purely scientifically derived "We're full", instead of not liking that there are "too many" Latinos, Irish, Jews, etc.
 
2012-11-25 07:09:52 AM  

cman: vpb: So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.

Links to racism hasnt been proven yet. Asking for immigration reform (and, unlike other "racist" organizations, they dont want to stop it completely) does not a racist make.


But if you don't want free and open immigration than you must be a racist. There is no other possible option.

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-25 07:14:53 AM  

ColdFusion: cman: heap: that she was declined on account of her political party hasn't been proven.

True. I hereby retract my statement in full as it is premature.

Moments like this remind me why I don't add you to my ignore list.

Though I am curious if you can think of a time in which a country toughened its immigration in response to anything but an unpopular ethnic or religious group coming in large numbers? As in, it was prompted by a purely scientifically derived "We're full", instead of not liking that there are "too many" Latinos, Irish, Jews, etc.


It is a culture war for them. They feel that their culture is being subverted. Some are indeed racist, but for normal people, it is about heritage. Culture is one of the most important parts of humanity. When you perceive a threat to your culture, because of how important it is, you come to its defense. A good example of this was the 100 Years War. The King of France wrote how he was going to invade England and destroy the English language. This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.
 
2012-11-25 07:16:52 AM  
Michael Gove for British PM!


That is all.
 
2012-11-25 07:20:36 AM  
Lies Subby... Your headline is full of them.

She wasn't banned from volunteering in "places where children congregate", not even close. She was rejected as a mentor by a charity. She can still volunteer wherever the fark she wants, just not for these Barnard folks.

The article also mentions that they list 'other reasons' for her rejection, but won't list them. Quite possibly a privacy thing if they are telling the truth. I think there should be a law that if something like this happens and you go whining to the public, then the whole story should be brought into the open. If it turns out that they rejected you because you had been arrested for dressing up like Big Bird and molesting little kids(just making up an example here), then the people you are dragging thru the mud should be able to give everything to the press, privacy be damned. I have no idea what the story is on this one, but the charity shouldn't have to say 'No comment' if they had a legitimate reason and the person in question chose to make it public.
 
2012-11-25 07:29:24 AM  

cman: This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.


Thus dooming themselves to centuries of British cuisine.
 
2012-11-25 07:31:58 AM  

cman: ColdFusion: cman: heap: that she was declined on account of her political party hasn't been proven.

True. I hereby retract my statement in full as it is premature.

Moments like this remind me why I don't add you to my ignore list.

Though I am curious if you can think of a time in which a country toughened its immigration in response to anything but an unpopular ethnic or religious group coming in large numbers? As in, it was prompted by a purely scientifically derived "We're full", instead of not liking that there are "too many" Latinos, Irish, Jews, etc.

It is a culture war for them. They feel that their culture is being subverted. Some are indeed racist, but for normal people, it is about heritage. Culture is one of the most important parts of humanity. When you perceive a threat to your culture, because of how important it is, you come to its defense. A good example of this was the 100 Years War. The King of France wrote how he was going to invade England and destroy the English language. This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.


And the Normans still live on in Tidewater and the Deep South.
 
2012-11-25 07:33:27 AM  
This was like an Ann Coulter headline
 
2012-11-25 07:34:48 AM  

Kibbler: This was like an Ann Coulter headline


DEMONIC
 
2012-11-25 07:53:54 AM  

Without Fail: cman: This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.

Thus dooming themselves to centuries of British cuisine.


They have food, Hastings. They do not have cuisine.
 
2012-11-25 07:56:11 AM  

deschinc: Without Fail: cman: This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.

Thus dooming themselves to centuries of British cuisine.

They have food, Hastings. They do not have cuisine.


Look, we are all in agreement that British food sucks; can we now talk about why Italian, German, and French cuisine is so awesome?

/For being an Anglophobe I sure hate their cuisine
 
2012-11-25 08:02:28 AM  

heap: Glenford:

Can we also wank at subtard for such a trolly headline?


while making eye contact, no less.


Just the one eye though
 
2012-11-25 08:07:11 AM  
Social workers at Rotherham Borough Council claimed the married couple's affiliation with UKIP meant they supported 'racist' policies which made them unsuitable carers for the non-British children and there were concerns for their 'cultural and ethical needs.'

Heavens to Murgatroyd.
 
2012-11-25 08:08:45 AM  

Alphax: I've never heard of the UK Independence party. Is this their John Birch Society or something?


Ukip are a splinter caused by Thatcher's back seat driving during john major's hammering over Maastricht..

They're pretty much one issue: anti eu and therefore attract the jingoists and economically illiterate you'd imagine.. Cameron's worried because they're attracting a lot of Tory support disillusioned by the coalition (25% "seriously consider" voting ukip according to guardian survey).. it may happen if he makes a Pratt of himself again in the current Euro negotiations.. all good for progressives over here ;)

And /oblig:
The daily mail prints nothing but lies for it's own venal purposes.. it is the original fox news.. the Adam west to it
 
2012-11-25 08:10:13 AM  

cman: deschinc: Without Fail: cman: This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.

Thus dooming themselves to centuries of British cuisine.

They have food, Hastings. They do not have cuisine.

Look, we are all in agreement that British food sucks; can we now talk about why Italian, German, and French cuisine is so awesome?

/For being an Anglophobe I sure hate their cuisine


Anglophile, but I know what you meant. Actually I just wanted to drop a Poirot quote but it does raise a valid point. The state of English cuisine is actually quite good and many talented chefs are trying to raise awareness of that fact. But, as in America, what the rank and file eat is much more suspect. Cheers.
 
2012-11-25 08:10:56 AM  
Aah fark it.. stupid mobile..

.. Adam west to it's Michael keaton..

/bet you thought that bale character
//fox is more Burton camp
 
2012-11-25 08:11:05 AM  

cman: deschinc: Without Fail: cman: This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.

Thus dooming themselves to centuries of British cuisine.

They have food, Hastings. They do not have cuisine.

Look, we are all in agreement that British food sucks; can we now talk about why Italian, German, and French cuisine is so awesome?

/For being an Anglophobe I sure hate their cuisine


Mexican/Central/South American is my favorite ethnic food personally, but having never eaten British food(Outside of Shepherd's Pie), what is it about British food that makes so many people say something like this, and does anyone know the history behind the food apparently being so bad?
 
2012-11-25 08:13:06 AM  

deschinc: cman: deschinc: Without Fail: cman: This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.

Thus dooming themselves to centuries of British cuisine.

They have food, Hastings. They do not have cuisine.

Look, we are all in agreement that British food sucks; can we now talk about why Italian, German, and French cuisine is so awesome?

/For being an Anglophobe I sure hate their cuisine

Anglophile, but I know what you meant. Actually I just wanted to drop a Poirot quote but it does raise a valid point. The state of English cuisine is actually quite good and many talented chefs are trying to raise awareness of that fact. But, as in America, what the rank and file eat is much more suspect. Cheers.


God damn it. Anglophile, FFS. I love everything English pretty much, especially the cultural ancestry.

As for their food, I was being a smart ass saying that it was terrible. TBH American dishes are the closest I have ever had to English cuisine. I have been to Germany, and I love the food they have there.
 
2012-11-25 08:19:38 AM  
Ahh, look, more evidence of liberals not being anything at all what they claim to be.

If liberals really believed in the things they claim they do... They would be outraged by this and not seek to find excuses for it. There is only one 'liberal' response here, let me write it for you.

"Diversity of political opinion is important to a health society. Although we may personally disagree with some of the political ideas held, what's important here is that foster parents act responsibly and it's not our place to dictate that certain political beliefs must be held in order to adopt children"

That's what anyone who professes the belief system liberals do would say... But what are we getting? The usual "You don't agree with us so you're some type of MONSTER!"
 
2012-11-25 08:20:45 AM  

Mikey1969: cman: deschinc: Without Fail: cman: This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.

Thus dooming themselves to centuries of British cuisine.

They have food, Hastings. They do not have cuisine.

Look, we are all in agreement that British food sucks; can we now talk about why Italian, German, and French cuisine is so awesome?

/For being an Anglophobe I sure hate their cuisine

Mexican/Central/South American is my favorite ethnic food personally, but having never eaten British food(Outside of Shepherd's Pie), what is it about British food that makes so many people say something like this, and does anyone know the history behind the food apparently being so bad?


Well.. I've pondered that question with people for many years.. obviously, there's a lot of stereotype nonsense, it's not that bad etc.. but, we did seem to forget a lot if our traditional cuisine as the migration to factory work during the industrial rev.. moreso than other European nations.

Being first (and best) at that time had it's downsides.. see China now...
 
2012-11-25 08:21:48 AM  

Apos: Michael Gove for British PM!


That is all.


In June 2012, Gove approved three schools run by creationists leading to concerns about whether Department of Education requirements not to teach creationism or intelligent design as a scientific fact would be met.[42] Grindon Hall Christian school in Sunderland due to open in September 2012 said their website which said it would teach creationism as science was out of date.[42] Exemplar-Newark Business academy whose previous application was rejected because of concerns over creationism and a third school in Kent both said they would teach creationism in RE but not in Science.[42] The British Humanist Society said teaching creationism in any syllabus was unacceptable.[42]

In 2011 Gove planned to provide each school in the United Kingdom with a copy of the King James Bible, each inscribed "presented by the Secretary of State for Education" (although Gove was unaware of this until he saw the first bible[32]), to celebrate the 400th anniversary of its translation into English.[33][34] Gove described the King James as "the most important book in the English language" and insisted that every student should have the opportunity to appreciate its literary riches.[34] The project ran into difficulty when the education secretary was required to find private funding to complete it.[33][34] Private sponsors paid for the Bibles, which were distributed in June 2012. The Guardian quoted unnamed head teachers as being critical of the project.


"The liberation of Iraq has actually been that rarest of things - a proper British foreign policy success. Next year, while the world goes into recession, Iraq is likely to enjoy 10% GDP growth. Alone in the Arab Middle East, it is now a fully functioning democracy with a free press, properly contested elections and an independent judiciary ... Sunni and Shia contend for power in parliament, not in street battles. The ingenuity, idealism and intelligence of the Iraqi people can now find an outlet in a free society rather than being deployed, as they were for decades, simply to ensure survival in a fascist republic that stank of fear."
-Michael Gove, Michael Gove: Triumph of freedom over evil[56] 




Yeah okay. So you're the Brit version of a teabagger. Got it.
 
2012-11-25 08:29:23 AM  

randomjsa: Diversity of political opinion is important to a healthy society. Although we may personally disagree with some of the political ideas held, what's important here is that foster parents act responsibly and it's not our place to dictate that certain political beliefs must be held in order to adopt children"


Hey, look at that. Something I agree with. Too bad you had to be all trollish about it. Maybe you could have found some common ground with people for once, but instead you had to insult them and tell them what they believe.
 
2012-11-25 08:30:31 AM  

Son of Thunder: Heavens to Murgatroyd.


came for this
 
2012-11-25 08:30:34 AM  
Also, is Murgatroyd really a name? Really?
 
2012-11-25 08:31:42 AM  

cman: ColdFusion: cman: heap: that she was declined on account of her political party hasn't been proven.

True. I hereby retract my statement in full as it is premature.

Moments like this remind me why I don't add you to my ignore list.

Though I am curious if you can think of a time in which a country toughened its immigration in response to anything but an unpopular ethnic or religious group coming in large numbers? As in, it was prompted by a purely scientifically derived "We're full", instead of not liking that there are "too many" Latinos, Irish, Jews, etc.

It is a culture war for them. They feel that their culture is being subverted. Some are indeed racist, but for normal people, it is about heritage. Culture is one of the most important parts of humanity. When you perceive a threat to your culture, because of how important it is, you come to its defense. A good example of this was the 100 Years War. The King of France wrote how he was going to invade England and destroy the English language. This incensed the English folk so much that the wounds of the Norman conquest finally healed. There was no way in hell that French Normans were gonna be liked after something like that, so the last few vestiges of Norman culture pretty much ended.


"Racist" has become another "excuse" word for the bourgeiose to argue about instead of fixing their shiatty attitudes.
I don't like people who are hostile to strangers and newcomers and their cultures - and I don't care whether some anal. obssessive compulsive jerkwad on the Internet thinks they are "racist" or not, and I don't want people like that around my kids, and it's a private charity, and f**k the daily mail and all the mediocre minds it feeds. NO F**KING STORY.
 
2012-11-25 08:33:16 AM  
Ms. Murgatroyd? COME ON
 
2012-11-25 08:35:07 AM  
randomjsa:

Are you arguing that this private charity should be compelled to be more fair?

I know you won't answer. You're a coward.
 
2012-11-25 08:36:38 AM  

cman: vpb: So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.

Links to racism hasnt been proven yet. Asking for immigration reform (and, unlike other "racist" organizations, they dont want to stop it completely) does not a racist make.


I know quite a few UKIP voters. Yes, they are a party of mainly racists. More the gentle just-doesn't-know-better grandma type of racism, not the pitchforks and crosses type.

The kids we're not taken on a whim, just that Social Services thinks it inappropriate for young vulnerable immigrant children to be raised by people who despise immigrants.
 
2012-11-25 08:37:25 AM  
Having read the article..

1) It's utterly farking ridiculous for anyone to be denied fostering kids because of political identification. I wouldn't be okay with this if it were Nazi, Communist or even Republican affiliation. There are simply too many kids in need of good care to deny parents because you don't like their politics

2) Where does this end? Do we make it harder on people because of political affiliation?

In short, political identification, as long as the party is legal and registered, should be a protected right, no different than religious identification.

You should not have your children taken away, or kept from you, because a government official doesn't like your politics.
 
2012-11-25 08:39:20 AM  
In the early days of the Daily Show, they used to have a Five Questions segment, asking things of their guests. Someone asked John Cleese 'Why does British food suck?' His answer was something like 'We had an Empire to run!'
 
2012-11-25 08:42:38 AM  

Bungles: cman: vpb: So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.

The kids we're not taken on a whim, just that Social Services thinks it inappropriate for young vulnerable immigrant children to be raised by people who despise immigrants.


How do you know the people in question despise immigrants? Does wishing to curtail and reform immigration mean you hate and despise all immigrants? Should Republicans not be allowed to adopt or provide foster care for Mexican children since they want immigration reform as well?
 
2012-11-25 08:43:05 AM  

Infernalist: Having read the article..

1) It's utterly farking ridiculous for anyone to be denied fostering kids because of political identification. I wouldn't be okay with this if it were Nazi, Communist or even Republican affiliation. There are simply too many kids in need of good care to deny parents because you don't like their politics

2) Where does this end? Do we make it harder on people because of political affiliation?

In short, political identification, as long as the party is legal and registered, should be a protected right, no different than religious identification.

You should not have your children taken away, or kept from you, because a government official doesn't like your politics.


The point is they're not "their" children. They're short term foster carers.

Two people who despised Polish immigration might not be the best folk to look after Polish immigrant children.
 
2012-11-25 08:44:51 AM  

DoomPaul: Should Republicans not be allowed to adopt or provide foster care for Mexican children since they want immigration reform as well?


Hell yes.
 
2012-11-25 08:47:02 AM  
It's absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail!

/no access to Youtube so I can't find the song.
//I guess this is supposed to substitute the daily "How are immigrants destroying the UK" article in the Daily Mail today
 
2012-11-25 08:47:42 AM  

DoomPaul: Bungles: cman: vpb: So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.

The kids we're not taken on a whim, just that Social Services thinks it inappropriate for young vulnerable immigrant children to be raised by people who despise immigrants.

How do you know the people in question despise immigrants? Does wishing to curtail and reform immigration mean you hate and despise all immigrants? Should Republicans not be allowed to adopt or provide foster care for Mexican children since they want immigration reform as well?


Because they were not removed because they were members of UKIP, no matter have desperately UKIP wants this to be true just before the byelection next week, but rather for the specific views given to several monitoring childcarers.

This thing is entirely about local political electioneering in the last days of a election campaign by Nigel Farrage. Don't be fooled by it. It hass nothing to do with foster parents.
 
2012-11-25 08:50:08 AM  

Bungles: Infernalist: Having read the article..

1) It's utterly farking ridiculous for anyone to be denied fostering kids because of political identification. I wouldn't be okay with this if it were Nazi, Communist or even Republican affiliation. There are simply too many kids in need of good care to deny parents because you don't like their politics

2) Where does this end? Do we make it harder on people because of political affiliation?

In short, political identification, as long as the party is legal and registered, should be a protected right, no different than religious identification.

You should not have your children taken away, or kept from you, because a government official doesn't like your politics.

The point is they're not "their" children. They're short term foster carers.

Two people who despised Polish immigration might not be the best folk to look after Polish immigrant children.


I sincerely doubt that those two people in question would put themselves in a situation where they might end up with polish kids.
 
2012-11-25 08:51:16 AM  

Bungles: DoomPaul: Bungles: cman: vpb: So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.

The kids we're not taken on a whim, just that Social Services thinks it inappropriate for young vulnerable immigrant children to be raised by people who despise immigrants.

How do you know the people in question despise immigrants? Does wishing to curtail and reform immigration mean you hate and despise all immigrants? Should Republicans not be allowed to adopt or provide foster care for Mexican children since they want immigration reform as well?

Because they were not removed because they were members of UKIP, no matter have desperately UKIP wants this to be true just before the byelection next week, but rather for the specific views given to several monitoring childcarers.

This thing is entirely about local political electioneering in the last days of a election campaign by Nigel Farrage. Don't be fooled by it. It hass nothing to do with foster parents.


So what you're telling me is that newspapers like the Daily Mail are twisting a story around to try to sensationalize it and accomodate it to an agenda it's furthering?

This is my shocked face...

media.247sports.com
 
2012-11-25 08:53:18 AM  

Bungles: DoomPaul: Bungles: cman: vpb: So a private charity doesn't want racists as volunteers? How terrible.

The kids we're not taken on a whim, just that Social Services thinks it inappropriate for young vulnerable immigrant children to be raised by people who despise immigrants.

How do you know the people in question despise immigrants? Does wishing to curtail and reform immigration mean you hate and despise all immigrants? Should Republicans not be allowed to adopt or provide foster care for Mexican children since they want immigration reform as well?

Because they were not removed because they were members of UKIP, no matter have desperately UKIP wants this to be true just before the byelection next week, but rather for the specific views given to several monitoring childcarers.

This thing is entirely about local political electioneering in the last days of a election campaign by Nigel Farrage. Don't be fooled by it. It hass nothing to do with foster parents.


If the ruling wasnt released on Friday you would have a point. But, considering that the outrage happened the same day as the ruling, I can safely say that you are full of shiat.
 
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