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(NYPost)   State-controlled Long Island Power Authority to customers: Here's your bill for the electricity you didn't have for two weeks after Sandy, because this is New York so you can go fark yourselves (for which you'll be billed, taxed and surcharged)   (nypost.com) divider line 158
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2012-11-25 01:41:15 AM

Enigmamf:

The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) is the largest municipal utility in the United States, serving over four million residents.


Hollis Mulray unavailable for comment
 
2012-11-25 01:43:11 AM

make me some tea: We found out that the power companies around here don't actually read meters, they bill you estimated usage. We installed an A/C unit in the bedroom for this summer and the power bill didn't go up at all, which I did think was odd. Six months later, we got a notice that they were raising it because they figured out that we're using more than we had before, so now we are on a payment plan to pay the difference off. Awesome, right?


Scottish Gas gave me the option of paying an estimate or having the meter read. I decided to go with the estimate as it was easier than letting someone into my kitchen every month to read the meter. Besides, electricity and gas for a one bedroom flat are quite cheap, at best I might save £3 a month with less than average use.
 
2012-11-25 01:43:51 AM

Tor_Eckman: PaLarkin: RedPhoenix122: Amos Quito: /I smell a troll

It's NYPost, this is probably something blown out of proportion to gain support for privatization.

The power has been off for several weeks. These people have not been able to use any electricity. They are billed based on the amount they use. This month they're being charged the regular rate when they have not used anywhere near the amount of electricity they normallly use. Sounds to me like you're saying it's ok for government to screw people like this. If it were a private company screwing customers like this and not a government owned entity, the socialists on fark would be screaming bloody murder.

They will not be billed for power they did not use. When the meter actually gets read, the bill will be adjusted. It was probably impossible to read meters under the post-storm conditions. Nevertheless, monthly billing must be done.

So nobody is getting screwed.


The power company gets a nice, interest-free loan from its customers until they bother to go out and read the meter. The customers, in the middle of trying to repair their homes and livelihoods, get to pay for electricity they were physically prevented from using.

Sounds fair. Definitely not a benefit to one side and a problem for the other.
 
2012-11-25 01:45:00 AM

MisterTweak: make me some tea: We found out that the power companies around here don't actually read meters, they bill you estimated usage. We installed an A/C unit in the bedroom for this summer and the power bill didn't go up at all, which I did think was odd. Six months later, we got a notice that they were raising it because they figured out that we're using more than we had before, so now we are on a payment plan to pay the difference off. Awesome, right?

Remember all those employees they had who trudged from place to place, making note of the meters once a month? They've been fired, and replaced with a company that does it maybe once a quarter, but estimates your usage based on similar users in your area. It's not perfect, but, who wants to keep employees on payroll when you don't absolutely have to, right?


My utility still employs all of its meter readers in-house. They're moving towards radio signal meters that don't need to be read, but they still have people walking to meters every month for the meters that's aren't read over-the-air yet. I could call my power company and ask for the usage for any period of time because the wirelessly-read meter sends data every day.
 
2012-11-25 01:46:56 AM

qorkfiend: The power company gets a nice, interest-free loan from its customers until they bother to go out and read the meter.


Most meter reading departments probably don't have boats or bulldozers.
 
2012-11-25 01:47:43 AM

RedPhoenix122: Amos Quito: /I smell a troll

It's NYPost, this is probably something blown out of proportion to gain support for privatization.


Probably.

DNRTFA.
 
2012-11-25 01:49:24 AM

GAT_00: Lsherm: The county utility board isn't "gubmit"?

Are you sure you understand what the government does?

My power company, as are all power companies in the US as far as I know, is a for-profit company. That is NOT government.


See, that's where you're wrong. Not all power companies are for-profit. We have electric co-ops here in Ohio that are publicly owned and work similar to the way credit unions of old worked. There are also state run power companies, such as the one named in the article, the Long Island Power Authority.
 
2012-11-25 01:49:50 AM

gweilo8888: Somacandra: GAT_00: My power company, as are all power companies in the US as far as I know, is a for-profit company. That is NOT government.

Point of Order: Some middle-sized cities like Ames, IA and Lansing, MI do have their own power/water/sewer companies. These are usually described as being "owned" by the taxpayers. Sometimes they are for-profit regulated monopolies, sometimes simply bureaus of government.

Add Knoxville, Tennessee to the list.


Snohomish County, WA too
 
2012-11-25 01:52:17 AM
Before the power company servicing Renton, WA switched to the smart meters in the mind 90's they used to use people that "read" the meters with binoculars. My power bill could be $50 one month and $350 another month. Nothing changed. If I had the money back then I'd have sued the shiat out of them for fraud.

They switched to smart meters around '97 and my bill "settled" at approx $150 a month for a 500 sq ft 2 bedroom apartment. Yeah right. I fought with them until April of '99 every month over their bogus billing. Every month they admitted they were wrong. Goddamned thieves.
 
2012-11-25 01:52:34 AM
The second sentence "an estimated rate ". They all do this. I don't really see the extra outrage. I have my gas company piss me off when they estimate my gas usage every other month and charge me twice as much as I actually use because I keep my house colder than their "estimates". It gets adjusted the next month or I submit the meter reading instead.
 
2012-11-25 01:53:01 AM
Here in Los Angeles, the lazy farks at LADWP haven't come to read the meter once since March, when we bought the house and got service turned up in our names. They've been estimating readings, according to the bill.

Their estimates have been based on the past year's usage. The house had been empty for the year before we bought it. They estimate we use between 10 and 20 kwh/month based on "prior usage."

While it's been nice to have basically no utility bill, holy crap, we're going to get slammed with a gigantic bill when they really do come read the meter. I've been calling them for six months asking for someone to come actually read the meter instead of estimating. They keep saying they will, and they keep not doing it. It's really farking with my ability to budget, knowing that I'll eventually be hit with an "adjustment" for 9 months of energy usage.
 
2012-11-25 01:53:50 AM
So, what are you going to do about it smart folks?

Answer: NOTHING.

You're all farking sheep. You can't imagine life without electrical power. You'll do anything to keep the lights on.
 
2012-11-25 01:56:25 AM
GAT_00:

Deregulation and the glories of capitalism, citizen. Revel in the glory, for you have been blessed!

Can we stop calling different regulation "deregulation". Because it's never deregulation, just different regulation that benefits different insiders or the same old insiders in a different way. Real deregulation would open the business to actual competition and the insiders would never, ever, put up with that because that would mean lower prices for customers.

Oznog:

Well they are yet another avenue for prying, looking for pot growers or something. And may be used to come up with more complex billing schemes for different pricing at hours of peak usage, which may get twisted into cellphone-plan complexity. But it's kind of an obvious thing that these meters will be used.


Smart meters, when utilized to their full capacity can use back EMF to see what you use when and when appliances are made compatible the smart meters can then tell the appliances to turn off. Essentially they will, when fully utilized, give the power company control over just about everything of importance in your home. Right now all smart meters do is send usage data back to the mothership. All the rest is future capability. I believe I cited this fully in previous fark thread, but it's all available from reputable sources if one wishes to look. I'm not going through the exercise again.
 
2012-11-25 01:56:26 AM

PaulieattheTap: Similar thing happened to me after Wilma blew thru S. FL. I contested the first bill I got because it was exactly the same as the previous month. They finally sent someone to read the meter (I was still w/out power when he came). He asked asked if I knew I had to power. No shiat Sherlock, the whole neighborhood is still black after a week.

I received an adjusted bill with in a few days. The next bill I got was double my normal bill, called about that one. They sent a guy guy out. He asked how many days I was w/out power. I said at least one week before the end of the last bill period and probably almost a week and a half into this period. I really didn't know because I went to a hotel for about 8 days until I knew my electric was back on. He goes back to his car, calls some one and comes back and says I'll be back to read these meters for the next 2 billing cycles, you will see and adjustment in a few days. Thanks for calling us. The adjustment came and I owed $0, then it was half of normal and back to normal the next month. So I really can't complain about FPL (Flickering Power and Lights) here in SE. FL. They did me OK.

Last year they upgraded my meter and they can somehow read it remotely.


So you were cool and they were cool and everything worked out fine? What does that say about me when I'm shocked to hear that?!
 
2012-11-25 01:57:43 AM

I_Hate_Iowa: MisterTweak: make me some tea: We found out that the power companies around here don't actually read meters, they bill you estimated usage. We installed an A/C unit in the bedroom for this summer and the power bill didn't go up at all, which I did think was odd. Six months later, we got a notice that they were raising it because they figured out that we're using more than we had before, so now we are on a payment plan to pay the difference off. Awesome, right?

Remember all those employees they had who trudged from place to place, making note of the meters once a month? They've been fired, and replaced with a company that does it maybe once a quarter, but estimates your usage based on similar users in your area. It's not perfect, but, who wants to keep employees on payroll when you don't absolutely have to, right?

My utility still employs all of its meter readers in-house. They're moving towards radio signal meters that don't need to be read, but they still have people walking to meters every month for the meters that's aren't read over-the-air yet. I could call my power company and ask for the usage for any period of time because the wirelessly-read meter sends data every day.


I've got one of them too. It's interesting to look at for a while, but it didn't really yield any big surprises (my power usage is lowest in middle of night when everyone's sleeping and lights are off, highest at 6pm when it's hot out and everyone's home, and making dinner too). But I did use it to lecture the kids on the hazards of thinking they can knock a couple degrees off the thermostat without me noticing. ;-)

Someone else mentioned these being used for demand-sensitive pricing. My two cents, I don't think so - at least at residential level. The utilities that have tried it have mostly moved away from it; it's too complex, and the few customers who have big enough bills to get a significant benefit, end up not liking it. The math just doesn't work well, especially when prices for electricity have been falling rather than rising. Hell, my local power company is offering to renew my service at a significant drop from last year.
 
2012-11-25 01:58:19 AM

grimlock1972: Id be more outraged but what happened is a computer spat them out and a low paid peon at the power company did his job and mailed them out.

its still wrong of course but there is no malicious intent.


Yeah, but that wouldn't be as outrageous a story and nobody could get upset at that.
 
2012-11-25 01:58:42 AM
Also, I have 8kw and 100 gallons of gasoline.

/feel free to start a separate "preppers" thread.
//cause we're all crazy.
 
2012-11-25 01:59:27 AM

Amos Quito: tin_man: Amos Quito: tin_man: The cost of bringing you that electricity right to your home didn't magically go down just because you were without it for a few days.


On the contrary, I'm sure it went through the roof, considering the destruction of infrastructure.

Yet they bill based on consumption, not delivery, so that's the problem of the utility company and their insurance providers, isn't it?


/I smell a troll

Yes, speaking of the logistics and realities behind delivering a utility, any utility, to the end user is trolling.


The utility bills based on CONSUMPTION (hence the METER)

As utility failed to deliver the product to the end user, the product was not consumed.


This.

When we have had week long power outages up here we have noticed a *decrease* in our power/gas bill.

/funny thing that.
 
2012-11-25 02:04:06 AM

GAT_00: simplicimus: make me some tea: We found out that the power companies around here don't actually read meters, they bill you estimated usage. We installed an A/C unit in the bedroom for this summer and the power bill didn't go up at all, which I did think was odd. Six months later, we got a notice that they were raising it because they figured out that we're using more than we had before, so now we are on a payment plan to pay the difference off. Awesome, right?

We just a gas bill $40 over the previous bill. An "adjustment". For what, I have no idea,

Deregulation and the glories of capitalism, citizen. Revel in the glory, for you have been blessed!


Long Island Power Authority

LIPA, a non-profit municipal electric utility, owns the retail electric system on Long Island and provides electric service to over 1.1 million customers in Nassau and Suffolk counties, and the Rockaway Peninsula in Queens.

Emphasis added. It's owned by New York State.

But don't let facts get in the way of an anti-capitalist rant.
 
2012-11-25 02:05:08 AM
So call them and demand an actual read. They have to do it and they can't shut it off until they read the meter, bill you and then you don't pay.
 
2012-11-25 02:06:49 AM
I live in NJ about 10 miles from the ocean that was hit hard, so we had power out for a while. I got my bill and it was estimated. Not even close. I did my own meter reading and sent it to them and got it adjusted.
// boring story
 
2012-11-25 02:09:16 AM

Satanic_Hamster: It's an estimated bill. They're not doing it manually; it's done by computer. Once the meter is read later on the bill will be corrected.


I_Hate_Iowa: It's not unfair practices because it will be corrected the next time there's an actual reading.


...you've never dealt with a power or gas company before, have you?
 
2012-11-25 02:10:21 AM

Sherman Potter: Also, I have 8kw and 100 gallons of gasoline.

/feel free to start a separate "preppers" thread.
//cause we're all crazy.


One of my the neighbors here had some $400 costco generator he ran day and night after the last storm. I won't say the entire neighborhood was in agreement to burn his house down, with him inside it, but it was a pretty close vote. Happily, his generator died on about the third night. It was still a nasty week, but there's nothing like trying to sleep in hot, dark weather, with a shiatty lawnmower running round the clock.
 
2012-11-25 02:12:14 AM

IlGreven: ...you've never dealt with a power or gas company before, have you?


It depends on the power or gas company, some are very good about adjusting bills, some not so much.
 
2012-11-25 02:16:11 AM

make me some tea: We found out that the power companies around here don't actually read meters, they bill you estimated usage. We installed an A/C unit in the bedroom for this summer and the power bill didn't go up at all, which I did think was odd. Six months later, we got a notice that they were raising it because they figured out that we're using more than we had before, so now we are on a payment plan to pay the difference off. Awesome, right?


We have a guy or gal in a truck who drives around and reads the meters from the road with binoculars. They are farking fast and must have some steady hands and some awesome lenses. I mean, they are at least 80 yards away and they have the meter read in seconds. I wonder what random debauchery they see.

GAT_00: My power company, as are all power companies in the US as far as I know, is a for-profit company. That is NOT government.


I'm part of a co-op. I guess it's a co-op, in that they send me monthly newsletters about happenings in the co-op and small town news. Otherwise it feels like any old company. And my prices are a tad higher than what it would be across the highway, which is serviced by a corp. No complaints though. They restored power fast as heck when we had a bad fire.
 
2012-11-25 02:17:10 AM
This is why those estimated bills should go away. If you can spend the money to have monthly meter checks, then change all of the meters to the "smart" ones that are able to show real time usage.
 
2012-11-25 02:20:19 AM
The clueless utility charged Sandy-soaked Long Island residents an estimated rate that covered the entire billing cycle, and the statements made no mention of potential refunds to account for the prolonged blackouts.

This really isn't rocket surgery. It looks like the Post is as confused as the customers.

Generally, when you sign up for service with a power company you opt for one of two kinds of billing: Either you pay each month for the power you use, or you pay 12 equal fractions of a total estimated bill for the year (any under- or over-payments are generally rolled into next year, or settled at the end of they cycle). Power companies always push for the second option for several reasons:

1. If you live on Long Island, they've been providing power to your location for decades, even if you haven't lived there that long. They know better than you what the normal power usage for your building is.
2. It ensures that you don't get whacked with unexpectedly high bills during winter or summer (depending on your usage and climate) that you're not prepared to pay. I've seen bills fluctuate from $35/month in the summer to over $400/month in the winter. Most people aren't able to budget for that.
3 It allows them to read you meter quarterly or semi-annually, instead of having to send someone out every month. Sometimes, they'll even offer you a lower rate per kwh to reflect their lower operating costs.

If you go without power for 2 weeks in autumn, it's not likely to impact your overall yearly bill very much, so you'll still end up owing about the same amount of money that month. The $20 or so of power that you would have used for those two weeks is spread out over multiple bills. If you had gone without heat for the entire month of February, you'd either see a big refund, or a greatly diminished monthly bill for the next cycle.
 
2012-11-25 02:20:42 AM

Gulper Eel: simplicimus: Fark you, pay me.

The state motto of New York.

the entire northeast.
 
2012-11-25 02:21:06 AM
Wait until a few months/year(s) from now when all the costs for repairing the damage has been realized. The power companies (and every other business that lost 10 cents) is not going to eat those losses.
 
2012-11-25 02:24:52 AM

MisterTweak: Sherman Potter: Also, I have 8kw and 100 gallons of gasoline.

/feel free to start a separate "preppers" thread.
//cause we're all crazy.

One of my the neighbors here had some $400 costco generator he ran day and night after the last storm. I won't say the entire neighborhood was in agreement to burn his house down, with him inside it, but it was a pretty close vote. Happily, his generator died on about the third night. It was still a nasty week, but there's nothing like trying to sleep in hot, dark weather, with a shiatty lawnmower running round the clock.


Two AR's and a Mossberg 590-A1 tend to help in situations like this.
 
2012-11-25 02:31:14 AM

KrispyKritter: Wait until a few months/year(s) from now when all the costs for repairing the damage has been realized. The power companies (and every other business that lost 10 cents) is not going to eat those losses.


I believe in the case of my state's regulated utilities, that cost has to be built into the regulated rates and they can't add arbitrary charges because of unforecasted costs. They can try to file for a rate increase because of increased storm costs, but they may not get all they ask for. I have no idea if New York utilities would work in the same manner.
 
2012-11-25 02:31:31 AM

RedPhoenix122: It's NYPost, this is probably something blown out of proportion to gain support for privatization.


Political exaggerations from Rupert Murdoch owned newspaper?!? Never!

Private industry is a hell of a lot worse at billing customers for services not received, you'll rarely see Fox or any News Corp newspaper hammer private industry for the same exact thing.

/Large bureaucracies are inefficient and do stupid things because of institutional momentum. Doesn't matter if they're run by private companies or government agencies. Government doesn't = inefficient, Large = inefficient.
 
2012-11-25 02:33:01 AM

erst: Here in Los Angeles, the lazy farks at LADWP haven't come to read the meter once since March, when we bought the house and got service turned up in our names. They've been estimating readings, according to the bill.

Their estimates have been based on the past year's usage. The house had been empty for the year before we bought it. They estimate we use between 10 and 20 kwh/month based on "prior usage."

While it's been nice to have basically no utility bill, holy crap, we're going to get slammed with a gigantic bill when they really do come read the meter. I've been calling them for six months asking for someone to come actually read the meter instead of estimating. They keep saying they will, and they keep not doing it. It's really farking with my ability to budget, knowing that I'll eventually be hit with an "adjustment" for 9 months of energy usage.


Did you snap a photo of the meter when you moved in? Or record the reading at least? It's pretty trivial calculation to estimate your own bill. You just subtract the old reading from the new, and multiply by your price per kwh. If you're really worried, you could even go read the thing today, and again at the end of the week, and have at least an idea of your base usage.
 
2012-11-25 02:34:23 AM

IlGreven: Satanic_Hamster: It's an estimated bill. They're not doing it manually; it's done by computer. Once the meter is read later on the bill will be corrected.

I_Hate_Iowa: It's not unfair practices because it will be corrected the next time there's an actual reading.

...you've never dealt with a power or gas company before, have you?


I have, and my utility actually has good, in-house customer service people on the phones. I've never had a single problem go unresolved after two calls, and most only need the one.
 
2012-11-25 02:34:25 AM
"State-controlled Long Island Power Authority to customers: Here's your bill for the electricity you didn't have for two weeks after Sandy, because this is New York so you can go fark yourselves (for which you'll be billed, taxed and surcharged)"

Blue state problems...
 
2012-11-25 02:34:43 AM
The more threads about this stuff I read, the more I want my own solar panels, etc.
 
2012-11-25 02:35:44 AM

violentsalvation: GAT_00: My power company, as are all power companies in the US as far as I know, is a for-profit company. That is NOT government.

I'm part of a co-op. I guess it's a co-op, in that they send me monthly newsletters about happenings in the co-op and small town news. Otherwise it feels like any old company. And my prices are a tad higher than what it would be across the highway, which is serviced by a corp. No complaints though. They restored power fast as heck when we had a bad fire.


Citizen's Utilities, right? I used to do contract work for them in Kingman and the surrounding area.
 
2012-11-25 02:41:29 AM

erst: While it's been nice to have basically no utility bill, holy crap, we're going to get slammed with a gigantic bill when they really do come read the meter. I've been calling them for six months asking for someone to come actually read the meter instead of estimating. They keep saying they will, and they keep not doing it. It's really farking with my ability to budget, knowing that I'll eventually be hit with an "adjustment" for 9 months of energy usage.


so estimate what you think you use each month, put the month in savings, when the bill comes due, you will have the cash to pay. TADA

in fact, you can go read your own meter and not even have to estimate anything.
quick, go right now, subtract the estimated value from your last bill from the current total, multiply by the rate and then let us know how screwed you are

/inquiring minds wants to know
 
2012-11-25 02:42:08 AM
My apartments converted from electric heat to natural gas. I'm on the budget plane, so my bill is averaged out (I could chose to not be on that plan and pay each months bill). Unfortunately, the average is taken over 12 months. We switched mid-month. That had almost no effect on my average electric bill with 11 other months in the average. The gas bill however, was averaged from one month. My bill jumped from about $120 a month, to two straight months closer to $170. It sucked and the company doing the conversion or the apartment complex should have known enough to warn us. We could have switched off the budget for a couple months and our bills would have stayed lower. That's how averages work- there is lag. This story is basically the same principle, except that it's done quarterly.

This month my adjusted bill hit and I paid $17.
 
2012-11-25 02:43:34 AM

stonent: Blue state problems...


thank you
made my day

now to start using those two memes
constantly
 
2012-11-25 02:44:45 AM

violentsalvation: We have a guy or gal in a truck who drives around and reads the meters from the road with binoculars. They are farking fast and must have some steady hands and some awesome lenses. I mean, they are at least 80 yards away and they have the meter read in seconds. I wonder what random debauchery they see.


Maybe they have image-capture? I haven't seen a pair of binoculars for as long as I can remember, but it seems unlikely that a little digi-camera hasn't been made standard on them by now.


Here you go, $30.
 
2012-11-25 02:46:05 AM

bunner: So call them and demand an actual read. They have to do it and they can't shut it off until they read the meter, bill you and then you don't pay.


You forgot to add that they should check their local laws before doing that.
 
2012-11-25 02:49:58 AM

Sherman Potter: MisterTweak: Sherman Potter: Also, I have 8kw and 100 gallons of gasoline.

/feel free to start a separate "preppers" thread.
//cause we're all crazy.

One of my the neighbors here had some $400 costco generator he ran day and night after the last storm. I won't say the entire neighborhood was in agreement to burn his house down, with him inside it, but it was a pretty close vote. Happily, his generator died on about the third night. It was still a nasty week, but there's nothing like trying to sleep in hot, dark weather, with a shiatty lawnmower running round the clock.

Two AR's and a Mossberg 590-A1 tend to help in situations like this.


Ok, maybe that would be impressive in Nantucket or something, but in Texas? The retired grandma at the end of the block here can put five .30-06 rounds in a one-foot circle at 200 yards. So much easier and safer to offer neighbors a few bottles of cold water and ask if they need to keep some medicines refrigerated or something.
 
2012-11-25 03:11:37 AM

MisterTweak: Sherman Potter: MisterTweak: Sherman Potter: Also, I have 8kw and 100 gallons of gasoline.

/feel free to start a separate "preppers" thread.
//cause we're all crazy.

One of my the neighbors here had some $400 costco generator he ran day and night after the last storm. I won't say the entire neighborhood was in agreement to burn his house down, with him inside it, but it was a pretty close vote. Happily, his generator died on about the third night. It was still a nasty week, but there's nothing like trying to sleep in hot, dark weather, with a shiatty lawnmower running round the clock.

Two AR's and a Mossberg 590-A1 tend to help in situations like this.

Ok, maybe that would be impressive in Nantucket or something, but in Texas? The retired grandma at the end of the block here can put five .30-06 rounds in a one-foot circle at 200 yards. So much easier and safer to offer neighbors a few bottles of cold water and ask if they need to keep some medicines refrigerated or something.


Fark grandma; she's on her own.

I prep for me and mine. No one else.
 
2012-11-25 03:21:44 AM
All utility companies do that. Usually your bill you get this month is from the previous month. Guess who pays for the repair of the electric lines. It isn't the utility companies.
 
2012-11-25 03:21:55 AM

JonBuck: GAT_00: simplicimus: make me some tea: We found out that the power companies around here don't actually read meters, they bill you estimated usage. We installed an A/C unit in the bedroom for this summer and the power bill didn't go up at all, which I did think was odd. Six months later, we got a notice that they were raising it because they figured out that we're using more than we had before, so now we are on a payment plan to pay the difference off. Awesome, right?

We just a gas bill $40 over the previous bill. An "adjustment". For what, I have no idea,

Deregulation and the glories of capitalism, citizen. Revel in the glory, for you have been blessed!

Long Island Power Authority

LIPA, a non-profit municipal electric utility, owns the retail electric system on Long Island and provides electric service to over 1.1 million customers in Nassau and Suffolk counties, and the Rockaway Peninsula in Queens.

Emphasis added. It's owned by New York State.

But don't let facts get in the way of an anti-capitalist rant.


Fear not. He/she has never let facts get in the way of a good trolling.
 
2012-11-25 03:23:11 AM

DownDaRiver: So the submitted link a few hours ago from the same source with arguably better headline that has more hits and had more comments gets red, but this gets green?

/not Subbsie


The mods are power hungry. The greenlight system is a scam. You may get bannation for even mentioning it.
 
2012-11-25 03:25:01 AM

Nemo's Brother: DownDaRiver: So the submitted link a few hours ago from the same source with arguably better headline that has more hits and had more comments gets red, but this gets green?

/not Subbsie

The mods are power hungry. The greenlight system is a scam. You may get bannation for even mentioning it.


Also, "Welcometofark.jpg"
 
2012-11-25 03:33:02 AM

tin_man: The cost of bringing you that electricity right to your home didn't magically go down just because you were without it for a few days.

And if you start using more of a commodity, you will eventually end up paying more. It's really unfair.


Corporate farking socialism. fark you!
 
2012-11-25 03:35:31 AM
yawn. i get charged for water and sewer i never use by my water company every month. i don't shower at my house, or have a washer/dryer or dishwasher. my water heater is turned off and i flush my toilet only when it is mellow yellow. my bill is always 21.84. i don't come near using the 'free' allotment of water they give you before they start charging extra. if they charged per gallon used right from the start i bet i'd pay 3 bucks each the water and sewer hooker and 2-3 dollars a month for water.
 
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