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(Facebook)   Obie, Fark's favorite overweight wiener, continues to have legal woes. ODR decided to pursue their lawsuit to remove him from his foster home. Donations to his legal defense fund would be appreciated (foster home has no idea I'm posting here, BTW)   (facebook.com ) divider line 38
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2012-11-24 04:01:31 PM  
Submitter here. The link goes to the Facebook page started way back in August, when Nora was first asked to take Obie from his original owners. After Obie became famous, the rescue that facilitated his transfer between homes (they never actually took possession of him) decided that he was theirs and sued for him to be turned over to them. The judge ruled against them. You would think this would be the end of it, but for whatever reason, the rescue has decided that it isn't. They've decided to continue the lawsuit.

I've been in close contact with Nora and she tells me that IF O.D.R. takes this far as they could, it could conceivably be close to $40k in legal fees in order for her to keep him. She's already been forced to use part of his medical fund to help pay the attorney working to keep him with her. I'm sure that O.D.R. is thinking they can just keep running up her fees to the point where she gives up, like the nuisance suits that are so often settled because it's cheaper than litigating.

BTW - Obie is down to 58 pounds now, from 77 pounds when Nora first took him in. She's definitely doing right by him.
 
2012-11-24 04:13:21 PM  
The relevant Fark threads are here, here, and here, if you're interested.
 
2012-11-24 04:34:38 PM  
Done.

This case is so farking obvious. He's being taken care of. Very well, in fact, and probably better than they could. But now that he's famous, they want the Purina deal, the attention and of course the donations.

Farkers. If someone could instruct me on how to run a successful twitter-bomb against the Oregon Dachshund Rescue, I'll be glad to coordinate.
 
2012-11-24 05:06:56 PM  
I was really on the fence about this; seems both of these ladies are crazy. But then I hit GIS and it was easy to decide whose side I should be on.


Foster mom: hot!

i.dailymail.co.uk

Rescue owner: KILL IT WITH FIRE!

i.dailymail.co.uk 

Seriously, if that's how she takes care of herself, I don't want to know how she takes care of dogs.
 
2012-11-24 07:51:22 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: if that's how she takes care of herself


Aint nobody gonna tell me I cant have purple hair in my 40s or any damn age.
I support the foster lady however.
 
2012-11-24 08:23:09 PM  
I may be dim (well OK, I am dim) but I can't find a link to the LDF.

Help please.
 
2012-11-24 08:23:50 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Farkers. If someone could instruct me on how to run a successful twitter-bomb against the Oregon Dachshund Rescue, I'll be glad to coordinate.


I wish I could tell you. I'd be right there with you. I almost wish Anonymous would get after them. Would serve them right.
 
2012-11-24 08:27:22 PM  

Friskya: Submitter here. The link goes to the Facebook page started way back in August, when Nora was first asked to take Obie from his original owners. After Obie became famous, the rescue that facilitated his transfer between homes (they never actually took possession of him) decided that he was theirs and sued for him to be turned over to them. The judge ruled against them. You would think this would be the end of it, but for whatever reason, the rescue has decided that it isn't. They've decided to continue the lawsuit.

I've been in close contact with Nora and she tells me that IF O.D.R. takes this far as they could, it could conceivably be close to $40k in legal fees in order for her to keep him. She's already been forced to use part of his medical fund to help pay the attorney working to keep him with her. I'm sure that O.D.R. is thinking they can just keep running up her fees to the point where she gives up, like the nuisance suits that are so often settled because it's cheaper than litigating.

BTW - Obie is down to 58 pounds now, from 77 pounds when Nora first took him in. She's definitely doing right by him.


Do the foster people have 40k to dump into this? Let the doggie try to raise some money for them in a settlement where the cute chick keeps ownership, everyone wins.
 
2012-11-24 08:28:47 PM  

NickelP: Friskya: Submitter here. The link goes to the Facebook page started way back in August, when Nora was first asked to take Obie from his original owners. After Obie became famous, the rescue that facilitated his transfer between homes (they never actually took possession of him) decided that he was theirs and sued for him to be turned over to them. The judge ruled against them. You would think this would be the end of it, but for whatever reason, the rescue has decided that it isn't. They've decided to continue the lawsuit.

I've been in close contact with Nora and she tells me that IF O.D.R. takes this far as they could, it could conceivably be close to $40k in legal fees in order for her to keep him. She's already been forced to use part of his medical fund to help pay the attorney working to keep him with her. I'm sure that O.D.R. is thinking they can just keep running up her fees to the point where she gives up, like the nuisance suits that are so often settled because it's cheaper than litigating.

BTW - Obie is down to 58 pounds now, from 77 pounds when Nora first took him in. She's definitely doing right by him.

Do the foster people have 40k to dump into this? Let the doggie try to raise some money for them in a settlement where the cute chick keeps ownership, everyone wins.


Whats the dog worth anyways? Id think they could kick this to small claims court and get it settled fast.
 
2012-11-24 08:32:05 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I may be dim (well OK, I am dim) but I can't find a link to the LDF.

Help please.


On the facebook link, there is a paypal link on the left side, under "About".

The story begins right below that under "Description". It's truncated - click the "see more" link to read the whole story and Nora gives the whole story of how Obie came to be with her and an address where folks who don't (or won't) use paypal can contribute to the poor boys expenses.

IMPORTANT DISCLOSURE: Nora is not a charity. You'll get no tax benefit from helping her or Obie. Anything you choose to give should be strictly because you want to help her and Obie. Or because you want to fark over Oregon Dachshund Rescue by helping her fend off their silly lawsuit. Or just because.
 
2012-11-24 08:36:57 PM  

NickelP: Do the foster people have 40k to dump into this? Let the doggie try to raise some money for them in a settlement where the cute chick keeps ownership, everyone wins.


No. Which is why I chose to share their story here. In the hopes we have enough people familiar with the story who might be able to help. The ideal situation would be an Oregon attorney offering to help her on a reduced fee or pro-bono basis, but I know that's probably not within the realm of reality.

NickelP: Whats the dog worth anyways? Id think they could kick this to small claims court and get it settled fast.


In the original filing, they asked for either Obie, or $5000. I have no idea if that was simply a legal requirement (the "value") or not, though. As a pet owner, I know that if I had to put a "value" on my dogs, I couldn't do it. To me, they're priceless. YMMV
 
2012-11-24 08:42:11 PM  
Marv and Dexter are in for fitty to keep Obie away from that fuschia haired coont.

i781.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-24 08:43:25 PM  
I find this story so disturbing. The Doxie rescue person comes across as money-centered (read her response to readers on Nora's page - it's ..... well it's just strange) and very, very greedy. She says she's getting upset inquiries that people are not actually donating to a non-profit so it isn't tax deductible? Come on. Those are people that aren't really concerned about Obie. And all that crap about transporting him? Again, just bizarre ramblings.

What is it about doxie rescue that attracts some strange people? The Doxie rescue here in Las Vegas is run by a couple of crazies, too. I stopped going to and participating in events because they bothered me so much.

Good on Nora for doing the right thing by Obie.
 
2012-11-24 08:45:10 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Marv and Dexter are in for fitty to keep Obie away from that fuschia haired coont.

[i781.photobucket.com image 448x336]


Thanks.

Out of curiosity, how is Dexter's back holding up? Any problems since his surgery?
 
2012-11-24 08:47:07 PM  

Friskya: Out of curiosity, how is Dexter's back holding up? Any problems since his surgery?


Or, was it Marvin's back that went out? I know it was one of them.
 
2012-11-24 08:47:17 PM  

Kimothy: I find this story so disturbing. The Doxie rescue person comes across as money-centered (read her response to readers on Nora's page - it's ..... well it's just strange) and very, very greedy. She says she's getting upset inquiries that people are not actually donating to a non-profit so it isn't tax deductible? Come on. Those are people that aren't really concerned about Obie. And all that crap about transporting him? Again, just bizarre ramblings.

What is it about doxie rescue that attracts some strange people? The Doxie rescue here in Las Vegas is run by a couple of crazies, too. I stopped going to and participating in events because they bothered me so much.

Good on Nora for doing the right thing by Obie.


My wife and have frequently debated what would happen if we just let the badger hounds eat as much as they wanted. Would they find their own balance or end up like Obie.

Well, that debate is settled.
 
2012-11-24 08:53:39 PM  
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/Q&D
 
2012-11-24 08:58:21 PM  
It's getting late for me, but EIP if anyone has questions or concerns that aren't addressed by cruising Obie's main Facebook page. I'll happily present them to Nora the next time I have to contact her (tomorrow morning).

Thank you, Farkers. And, THANK YOU admins, for the green. As you've probably guessed, I feel pretty strongly about Obie's situation.

See you all in the A.M.
 
2012-11-24 09:06:08 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Kimothy: I find this story so disturbing. The Doxie rescue person comes across as money-centered (read her response to readers on Nora's page - it's ..... well it's just strange) and very, very greedy. She says she's getting upset inquiries that people are not actually donating to a non-profit so it isn't tax deductible? Come on. Those are people that aren't really concerned about Obie. And all that crap about transporting him? Again, just bizarre ramblings.

What is it about doxie rescue that attracts some strange people? The Doxie rescue here in Las Vegas is run by a couple of crazies, too. I stopped going to and participating in events because they bothered me so much.

Good on Nora for doing the right thing by Obie.

My wife and have frequently debated what would happen if we just let the badger hounds eat as much as they wanted. Would they find their own balance or end up like Obie.

Well, that debate is settled.


Our Doxies eat from a self-feeder that we keep pretty full and they are both thin and perfectly healthy. Of course, we walk them twice a day and they have a nice lab and pit to play with all day, so there's that. I don't think it's the food, it's the exercise.
 
2012-11-24 09:09:35 PM  

Friskya: Friskya: Out of curiosity, how is Dexter's back holding up? Any problems since his surgery?

Or, was it Marvin's back that went out? I know it was one of them.


Marv. He's doing great. 8 YO now and is just starting to slow down. We don't let him go up and down stairs anymore and he's not up for 3 mile non stop walks like he used to be. We take a stroller with us (true geek dox owners we are) and let him ride when he wants. He's still good for 80-85% of the distance, but rides for a bit.


i781.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-24 09:10:10 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Marv and Dexter are in for fitty to keep Obie away from that fuschia haired coont.


Yeah - Dexter, Satchel and Mellie feel the same.

i1214.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-24 09:14:59 PM  

Kimothy: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Kimothy: I find this story so disturbing. The Doxie rescue person comes across as money-centered (read her response to readers on Nora's page - it's ..... well it's just strange) and very, very greedy. She says she's getting upset inquiries that people are not actually donating to a non-profit so it isn't tax deductible? Come on. Those are people that aren't really concerned about Obie. And all that crap about transporting him? Again, just bizarre ramblings.

What is it about doxie rescue that attracts some strange people? The Doxie rescue here in Las Vegas is run by a couple of crazies, too. I stopped going to and participating in events because they bothered me so much.

Good on Nora for doing the right thing by Obie.

My wife and have frequently debated what would happen if we just let the badger hounds eat as much as they wanted. Would they find their own balance or end up like Obie.

Well, that debate is settled.

Our Doxies eat from a self-feeder that we keep pretty full and they are both thin and perfectly healthy. Of course, we walk them twice a day and they have a nice lab and pit to play with all day, so there's that. I don't think it's the food, it's the exercise.


Ours get about 10-15 miles a week plus some quality basement time (big open space where they get crazt and chase each other full throtle for 15-20 minutes) each day. We also have a biatch Norfolk Terrier who gets into the mix, but really doesn't understand the concept of 'play'
 
2012-11-24 09:54:21 PM  
Well of course he's a liability:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-24 09:59:03 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I was really on the fence about this; seems both of these ladies are crazy. But then I hit GIS and it was easy to decide whose side I should be on.


Foster mom: hot!



just remember, hot does not mean not crazy. it is quite possible to be both. and she quite likely is. both, i mean. not that that would stop me from hitting on her in the produce section.
 
2012-11-25 12:13:44 AM  
fat dog is dog abuse.
 
2012-11-25 12:17:38 AM  
"It has nothing to do with the best interests of the animal," Duckler said. "Plaintiff owns. Defendent doesn't own. Plaintiff wants property back."

Doesn't sound like an animal-rights lawyer.

Hate to say it, but he may be right.

Obie's original owners gave him up to a representative of the rescue, not to Nora. Nora states that she took Obie as a temporary foster mom; she did not adopt him. Paperwork isn't necessary to establish these facts, which are not in dispute.

While Nora has taken good care of Obie, I haven't seen any allegations that the rescue would do any worse by him, or place him in a home that would.

Regardless of who looks better or has the purer motives, it looks like Obie legally belongs to the rescue.

I think the best that Nora can hope for is that the judge lets her keep Obie until his weight falls to normal. Maybe that's all she wants to do. But I doubt it; she's obviously in love.
 
2012-11-25 07:14:54 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "It has nothing to do with the best interests of the animal," Duckler said. "Plaintiff owns. Defendent doesn't own. Plaintiff wants property back."


A court of law has said that plaintiff cannot prove ownership. Which is true. Plaintiff never had possession, never had a signed release to the rescue, never had a signed agreement for fostering with defendant. In fact, the person who actually facilitated the transfer from the original home to Nora had no affiliation with the rescue at that time.

The only thing that can be said with certainty is, the original home surrendered Obie to an individual, who then drove Obie to someplace where she surrendered him to another individual. Those individuals just happened to "meet" via the ODR facebook page.

Social networking got Obie to where he is now. Not ODR.
 
2012-11-25 08:48:29 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Well of course he's a liability:

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x250]


That Poor Dog.
 
2012-11-25 08:49:15 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-25 09:40:47 AM  

Kimothy: What is it about doxie rescue that attracts some strange people? The Doxie rescue here in Las Vegas is run by a couple of crazies, too. I stopped going to and participating in events because they bothered me so much.


Probably were evicted from their local HMO.
/unless they still run it.
 
2012-11-25 09:41:21 AM  
I dig Obie and Nora but I do sorta have to question why anyone would toss an extremely obese dog you're supposed to be nursing to health on a plane just so you can do media events in NYC.. It's not like it was a short hop across a few states either.. Nora is from Washington State.. They offered to do live spots from her home too. So why the trip to NYC and drag a obese dog along with you? I'm not saying I want Nora to lose Obie but she may not exactly be innocent either. Batshiat insane or not she did take in Obie under certain conditions to follow and dragging it on a cross country trip wasn't probably the best decision she made.
 
2012-11-25 10:37:00 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Probably were evicted from their local HMO.


HOA, damn it.
/acronyms is hard
 
2012-11-25 10:50:04 AM  

styckx: I dig Obie and Nora but I do sorta have to question why anyone would toss an extremely obese dog you're supposed to be nursing to health on a plane just so you can do media events in NYC.. It's not like it was a short hop across a few states either.. Nora is from Washington State.. They offered to do live spots from her home too. So why the trip to NYC and drag a obese dog along with you? I'm not saying I want Nora to lose Obie but she may not exactly be innocent either. Batshiat insane or not she did take in Obie under certain conditions to follow and dragging it on a cross country trip wasn't probably the best decision she made.


I wish I could answer your questions styckx, but I just don't have the information to be able to do so completely.

I don't know that live spots from her home were an option and if you've got something to support that, I would be interested in seeing it. I do know that the person who picked up Obie from his original owners accompanied Nora and Obie on the trip. She certainly had ample opportunity to prevent it from happening, if she was concerned about the possible negative effects on Obie. The rescue should have objected too, if they were really as concerned as they make themselves out to be. But, no one seemed to feel there was a problem with him making the trip, either in cabin, or below (both are pressurized to 8000 feet, BTW).

I also know that no air carrier will accept an animal for transport without certain federal regulations being complied with. Health certificate for the animal, dated within 10 days of the trip being the primary one. I'm sure the vet would not have issued it if they felt Obie incapable of making the trip safely. The few stories we see about an animal dying in flight have almost all been due to some asshole customer browbeating the airline agent into taking the animal, despite not being in full compliance with all the various USDA and other regulations. Poor agent probably thinking, "What could possibly go wrong" and then finding out.

Those regs exist for a reason and no carrier wants the public relations fiasco that goes along with an animal being injured/killed on one of their flights, simply for the sake of "customer service". Sometimes, good customer service has to include refusal to give the customer what they're asking for. I'm pretty sure they would have refused Obie at the counter if they had had any concerns.
 
2012-11-25 11:47:38 AM  

Friskya: BarkingUnicorn: "It has nothing to do with the best interests of the animal," Duckler said. "Plaintiff owns. Defendent doesn't own. Plaintiff wants property back."

A court of law has said that plaintiff cannot prove ownership. Which is true. Plaintiff never had possession, never had a signed release to the rescue, never had a signed agreement for fostering with defendant. In fact, the person who actually facilitated the transfer from the original home to Nora had no affiliation with the rescue at that time.

The only thing that can be said with certainty is, the original home surrendered Obie to an individual, who then drove Obie to someplace where she surrendered him to another individual. Those individuals just happened to "meet" via the ODR facebook page.

Social networking got Obie to where he is now. Not ODR.


Well, I wouldn't say ODR had nothing to do with Obie ending up with Nora. From a letter written by Nora: Link

"When Drew Martin Lee initially reached out for help to get Obie out of his dire situation, Jenell Rangan recognized that she didn't have the resources to properly care for him and she publicly shared the letter. I stepped up and said that I would foster him if someone would bring him to me. I had absolutely no idea what to expect but I knew that I could help him. Patricia Malone (Bosello) volunteered to pick him up and bring him to me."

One might conclude that ODR declined to take possession of Obie. Of course, that's Nora's perspective. The testimony of Lee and Malone is needed to complete the story. The judge hasn't ruled yet on Obie's ownership. He said he can't decide based on what he's heard thus far. That's why the case is proceeding to trial.
 
2012-11-25 12:07:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: One might conclude that ODR declined to take possession of Obie. Of course, that's Nora's perspective. The testimony of Lee and Malone is needed to complete the story. The judge hasn't ruled yet on Obie's ownership. He said he can't decide based on what he's heard thus far. That's why the case is proceeding to trial.


One might make that conclusion.

One might also conclude that the story (as related on page 2 of Oregon Dachshund Rescue's monthly newsletter [PDF link]) is also accurate: "We networked through Facebook, volunteers and no-kill shelters for help as the rescue could not meet Obie's special needs at this time." From ODR's perspective, I'm sure they feel that this documents ownership, but by their own admission, they couldn't take him in due to his needs. So, they got him out of his situation by networking him.

Malone did testify during the initial hearing. Under oath, it was revealed that she was not a volunteer for the rescue at the time she transported Obie. That happened a few days before the initial hearing and was partly why the judge had to rule that neither side had proven ownership. Had Malone been a volunteer at the time she claimed him from Lee, I'm sure the judge would have ruled in ODR's favor.

Lee is in Washington state (everyone else is in Oregon) and was apparently not at the initial hearing. I'm not even sure he was asked to participate and if he was, since this is a civil proceeding, probably could have declined to do so. In any event, he wasn't Obie's original owner, anyway. He was the grandson of the owners. He turned Obie over to Malone (as a private citizen, not as a representative of the rescue - she wasn't yet a volunteer with ODR). Malone (as a private citizen) then turned Obie over to Nora. ODR's ONLY involvement was in providing the social website (their facebook page) to get out the story of his needs.
 
2012-11-25 12:56:08 PM  
Has a trial date been set yet? I imagine the trial's going to be pretty short.

"OK, Mr. Duckler, you say the dog's best interests are irrelevant; so I'm going to bar any testimony about Nora's care for Obie or how she spends donations. Now, prove ODR owns the dog or GTFO."
 
2012-11-25 01:18:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Has a trial date been set yet? I imagine the trial's going to be pretty short.

"OK, Mr. Duckler, you say the dog's best interests are irrelevant; so I'm going to bar any testimony about Nora's care for Obie or how she spends donations. Now, prove ODR owns the dog or GTFO."


To my knowledge, a date has not yet been set. I'm not even certain they've proceeded to (what was supposed to be) the next step; non-binding arbitration. The last estimate was, if it did proceed to trial, it would probably be March at the earliest. I don't know if that's changed.
 
2012-11-26 11:41:12 AM  

alienated: BarkingUnicorn: if that's how she takes care of herself

Aint nobody gonna tell me I cant have purple hair in my 40s or any damn age.
I support the foster lady however.


Hear, hear!


/43 yr old housewife w/multi-colored dreads
//go foster mom, that biatch abused that poor goggie. My first dog was a Doxie.
 
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