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2012-11-24 03:28:39 PM
6 votes:
The only thing that ever needs to be posted in a Ann Coulter thread

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2012-11-24 04:21:11 PM
5 votes:
Condensed and ensmall-ened for your non-clicking pleasure:

" Small minds always leap to the answers given the last time around, which is probably why Maxine Waters keeps getting re-elected. But the last time is not necessarily the same as this time. A terrorist attack is not the same as the Cold War, a war in Afghanistan is not the same as a war in Iraq, and Mitt Romney is not the same as John McCain or Bob Dole.

But since the election, many conservatives seem to be coalescing around the explanation for our defeat given by Jenny Beth Martin of the Tea Party Patriots, who said: "What we got was a weak, moderate candidate handpicked by the Beltway elites and country club establishment wing of the Republican Party. The presidential loss is unequivocally on them."

There was also the seven months of primaries, during which Romney got more votes than the rest of the field combined. So there's that. Moreover, the idea that Mitt Romney was "a weak, moderate candidate" is preposterous. As Trotsky said, in moments of crisis, people with no politics tend to develop the worst possible politics.

Even newly elected Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas complained that Romney failed to get across that there are "two viewpoints and directions for the country" and that he erred by trying to "be a nice guy." As Cruz said, "I'm pretty certain Mitt Romney actually French-kissed Barack Obama" in the third debate -- proving once again that comedy is harder than it looks.

The idea that Romney failed to present a clear contrast with Obama or was too "nice" is also nonsense. If Republicans continue to tell themselves comforting myths about our candidate being the problem, they better get used to losing a lot more elections.

The only Republican to defeat a sitting president in the last century was Ronald Reagan in 1980, when he beat Jimmy Carter, the second-worst president in U.S. history (pending the final results of Obama's second term). Because of that, and also because he is in the top two best American presidents, Reagan's example is worth studying. In Reagan's one debate with Carter in 1980, he presented "two viewpoints and directions for the country" by vowing to save Medicare and not to cut taxes too much. Loud and clear, Reagan said: "My tax cut does not come close to eliminating (Carter's) $86 billion increase. I'm only reducing the amount of the increase." There's your bold contrasting vision!

Reagan picked a pro-choice, anti-supply side Republican as his running mate. He lavishly praised FDR in his acceptance speech at the national convention, leading The New York Times to title an editorial about him "Franklin Delano Reagan." Meanwhile, Romney promised to institute major reforms to Medicare, repeal Obamacare and impose a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. He said he'd issue a 50-state waiver to Obamacare on his first day in office. (Why he didn't promise it to all 57 states I'll never know.) He chose a pro-life, fiscal conservative as his running mate and never praised FDR.

A careful analysis of the Romney plan thus reveals several deviations from the Democrat platform -- more stark than those delineated by even Reagan. Romney was the most libertarian candidate Republicans have run since Calvin Coolidge. And he got more votes from the dwindling white majority than Reagan did. How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Some conservatives didn't trust Romney because, as governor of a state between blue and North Korea, he had instituted a health insurance mandate, one feature of the hated Obamacare. As governor of a purple state, Reagan had signed the most liberal abortion law in the country and imposed the three largest state tax hikes in the nation's history. Nevada Sen. Paul Laxalt's nominating speech hailed Reagan's governorship of California for producing "a veritable Great Society of aid for schools, minorities and the handicapped," as the Times put it. Reagan had also been an actual member of the godless, treason party.

This is not to diminish Reagan. It is to say that Romney wasn't the problem.

To the extent Republicans have a problem with their candidates, it's not that they're not conservative enough. Where are today's Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy. Having vanquished liberal Republicans, the party's problem now runs more along the lines of moron showoffs, trying to impress tea partiers like Jenny Beth Martin by taking insane positions on rape exceptions for abortion -- as 2 million babies are killed every year from pregnancies having nothing to do with rape.

Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980. At least one of those won't be true next time. But we're not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn't conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough."
2012-11-24 07:24:22 PM
4 votes:
My god, the woman is a terrible writer. I think I have gleaned some points from her meandering BS:

1. Reagan ran as a centrist, vaguely differentiated candidate
2. Republicans are farking morons now
3. There are fewer white people and this is a problem for Republicans (aside: Coulter sounds disappointed about the "dwindling white majority", which I suppose is to be expected.)
4. Oh, and blame the primary race.

Coulter is blind and grasping in the dark, and can almost make out what she's feeling.

1. Romney was a terrible candidate because he did not appeal to the center, and didn't even really try until the debates. She almost says that. It's true!

2. and 3. The combination of demographic change - and this is not just "fewer white people" and Republicans being farking morons now did significantly damage the Republicans in the national race.

4. Coulter is almost right that the primary also damaged the Republicans this year, because it was hijacked by a bunch of lunatics who made being an asshole lunatic a point of pride. Romney was not "beat up" in the primary - by whom, the guy hating on inner city youth and proposing a farking moon base? - but the primary forced him to run just a hair to the left of Rick Santorum and cater to the whims of people who don't belong in the reality-based community. This damaged him - permanently - with reality-based voters, a demographic that is, thankfully, still a key constituency in America.

But a key aspect of the campaign that Coulter is missing is that Romney is also an asshole. When Dick Cheney ranks above you for charisma and likability you have a problem. He also ran one of the most botched campaigns in modern history. Matt Rhoades, Eric Fehrnstrom and Stuart Stevens made Steve Schmidt, retrospectively, look like a genius. Throughout 2012, I kept thinking things like, "Hey, at least McCain-Palin pulled off a really awesome convention and didn't have Clint Eastwood talking to a chair" or "Hey, at least McCain-Palin knew how to craft a damn narrative and get it out there". The only thing that the Romney campaign did effectively that the McCain campaign farked up completely was totally neutralize and hide their completely disastrous VP pick.
2012-11-24 01:46:35 PM
4 votes:
How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.
2012-11-24 05:39:01 PM
3 votes:
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2012-11-24 04:07:49 PM
3 votes:

quatchi: Ann Coulter is the moderate in this picture.


That's a pretty damning condemnation of the GOP that Coulter, who writes books calling liberals traitors in the goddamn title, is now the moderate voice.
2012-11-24 08:10:15 PM
2 votes:

cman: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'm just going to assume that she used an epithet of some kind and not read the article.

And yet I am the moran for saying that the left plays the "race card" too damn often

/Well, I am a moran, but not in that aspect


Since when is an epithet (Websters: a disparaging or abusive word or phrase. Which she does use plenty in the article) automatically a racial epithet? Seems since you're the only one throwing the race card around here, yes you are in that aspect.
2012-11-24 06:56:05 PM
2 votes:

make me some tea: I'm not entirely sure what her main point is.


1. There's about to be an open civil war in the GOP between the radical right/tea party and the social moderates/fiscal conservatives. Think the Perry/Santorum branch vs the Christie/Bloomberg branch.

2. Coulter just announced which side she's taking (social moderate/fiscal conservative).

If you think the 2012 elections were a nasty affair, just sit back and watch the blood flow in the GOP primaries leading up to the 2014/2016 elections. So far we're only seeing the radical right playing the blame game for 2012 (aka: the GOP wasn't radical enough), but expect the moderates to stop the appeasement and openly call them out.

This should be entertaining.
2012-11-24 06:49:21 PM
2 votes:
Whenever I read one of her columns, I'm always reminded of watching Al Franken put her in her proper place.
2012-11-24 06:20:28 PM
2 votes:

MrEricSir: Ann Coulter chastising someone for being "rude" and "a jerk"?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


Coltface calling Obama rude and a jerk isn't the pot calling the kettle black it's the grass calling the sky green.
2012-11-24 06:15:13 PM
2 votes:
Weaver95: Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.

she meant to say "uppity"
2012-11-24 05:58:07 PM
2 votes:
The "most reasonable" doesn't mean it is reasonable.

Also, she isn't stupid. Fox News viewers and those who think like them like to live in an echo chamber for some reason. They are willing to watch people say really ignorant and factually incorrect things if it fits the narrative they want (see also: unskewed polls). She takes advantage of this by being a real life troll and saying the things they want to hear. In the end she is successful if it convinces people to buy her books or pay her to speak.

As much as I detest her she has a net worth of 8.5 million. I realize money isn't anything but as far as morally questionable ways to make money... well there are larger fortunes built in more evil ways in this country (monsanto, big oil, the Catholic Church to name just three.)
2012-11-24 05:56:04 PM
2 votes:
I attended Thanksgiving with a staunchly conservative family of a friend. The entire afternoon was literally talking points: "Obamaphone", welfare queens, Barry lost the popular vote, America "re-nigged", etc.

The whole time I just focused on consuming turkey and pie.

One of the ladies there finally said, "Romney lost because he was trying too much to be extreme. We need a more moderate republican if we ever want a Republican in the whitehouse again"...

...I stopped eating, looked around and thought to myself, "well, shiat, I didn't expect something that reasonable to come out of her"

But before I could finish my thought she continued;

"But what can you expect when the Democrats put up the most extreme leftist candidate this country has ever faced?"

Ahh, there it is!

So I went back to eating turkey and pie.
2012-11-24 05:47:07 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.


She means Democrats with a backbone. Something the Republicans have never had an answer for. When they say a democrat is being mean and rude they really mean "help! they are fighting back!"
2012-11-24 05:45:07 PM
2 votes:
Not going to read her article but I think the Romney crowds with mainly 50, 60, and 70 year old whites and little else explains the problem pretty well.
2012-11-24 03:41:31 PM
2 votes:
I'm just going to assume that she used an epithet of some kind and not read the article.
2012-11-24 02:04:23 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.


Romney wasn't a rude, condescending jerk?
2012-11-24 01:41:27 PM
2 votes:
I'm not entirely sure what her main point is.
2012-11-25 01:05:36 AM
1 votes:

cman: Copyright infringement does not befit you


Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.
2012-11-24 10:44:38 PM
1 votes:
As for the total vote...

131,393,990 in 2008.

Right now it is 126,832,750 total votes in 2012.

Probably will hit around 128,000,000 in 2012...3 million less.

New York right now has 6.1 million people voting in 2012 but had 7.6 million vote in 2008.
New Jersey has 3.465 million people voting in 2012 but had 3.8 million people in 2008.

In those two states they are missing 2 million votes from 2008...I wonder why.

Now in California they had 12.49 million votes in 2012 and in 2008 had 13.56 but they havent finished tallying it all in california or the west so I wont say thats where another million is missing quite yet.

Still I believe 2012 difference will be about 3 million less voters from 2008 and the biggest chunk will be from New York and New Jersey a combined 2 million.

In a month we will know how close the voting numbers really were.
2012-11-24 09:18:58 PM
1 votes:
it was the republican platform that lost
2012-11-24 08:25:28 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.


She meant "uppity".
2012-11-24 06:41:42 PM
1 votes:
That line about Reagan being one of thje top two presidents bugged me too. If she'd said top five, or top two of the 20th century, I might cut her some slack, but... better than Jefferson? Better than Teddy Roosevelt? Better than Andrew Jackson? Better than either Washington or Lincoln? What that kind of comment reveals is a profound ignorance of history, both on the part of Ms. Coulter and of her audience.
2012-11-24 06:30:33 PM
1 votes:
While Coulter is a douche in general, I do like the fact that she's trying to point out that the Reagan that Republicans worship today not only never existed, he'd probably be drummed out of the Republican Party if he were around today and did, legislatively, what he did. Reagan as governor of California was no less liberal than Romney was as governor of Massachusetts (taking into account the decades of social change in the interim). Today he'd have been as reviled as Romney was for those positions. Nowadays they forget about all that.

Reagan worked on immigration reform. He cut taxes, yes, but when that was a bit much, he later raised taxes. He compromised with Congressional Democrats on a whole host of issues.

The "Never Raised Taxes, Hardline Anti-Immigrant, Never Compromised With Democrats, Balanced the Budget (ha! He launched the massive "borrow and spend" era)" Ronald Reagan that the modern Republican Party lauds and vows to emulate never existed. It's a complete and utter fiction, and yet the entire party goes around saying "I'm gonna do what Reagan did and refuse to raise taxes under any circumstances!"

Frankly, if the party nominated another Ronald Reagan we'd be way better off than any of the clowns that were in the primaries in 2012. He might win, he might not, but at least he was a teensy bit rational.
2012-11-24 06:23:54 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: I'm not sure which point is more laughably idiotic....Reagan being one of the two best presidents or carter being one of the two worst (dependent on Obama's term).


When a Republican is insulting someone, don't expect the words to mean anything. They just throw everything they have at whoever is opposing them at the moment.
2012-11-24 06:23:44 PM
1 votes:
"To the extent Republicans have a problem with their candidates, it's not that they're not conservative enough. Where are today's Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

Having vanquished liberal Republicans, the party's problem now runs more along the lines of moron showoffs, trying to impress tea partiers like Jenny Beth Martin by taking insane positions..."

Okay, but once you've gotten rid of the moderates and the crazy people, how many voters does that leave in the GOP?
2012-11-24 06:19:15 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: GOD DAMMIT, subby. Warn us next time. I just gave Ann F*CKING Coulter a page hit.


Well in fairness to subby the link clearly said "Some guy".

Caveat emptor, all that.
2012-11-24 06:15:45 PM
1 votes:
GOD DAMMIT, subby. Warn us next time. I just gave Ann F*CKING Coulter a page hit.
2012-11-24 06:14:02 PM
1 votes:

VarmintCong: Karac: [img248.imageshack.us image 488x655]

I'm assuming the chick in the corner is supposed to be Ann. The general horsey-facishness looks like her.
Now why she was supposed to have been supporting Obama I don't know, but obviously she's a sellout turncoat RINO.

She's just encouraging that turncoat RINO Cristie to drink the poisoned FlavorAid because he dared to put his state ahead of the Party.


I don't understand. She's on the record as saying that if the Republicans were to nominate Romney instead of Christie, they'll lose.

Money quote comes around 0:46
2012-11-24 06:06:12 PM
1 votes:
Part of the reason Reagan won: he crushed Carter in the South, and overall, Carter had an eleven point drop in his share of the white vote (compared to his win in '76).

Maybe in 2016, the Republicans can win by pushing harder to win the white vote in the South . . .
2012-11-24 05:54:38 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: quatchi: Ann Coulter is the moderate in this picture.

That's a pretty damning condemnation of the GOP that Coulter, who writes books calling liberals traitors in the goddamn title, is now the moderate voice.


That was my takeaway as well. Apart from the handful of petty jabs, this was a pretty somber article from a firebrand like Coulter. I would have expected more vitriol and less introspection just based on the name of the author. I fully expect the rabid right to ignore all of her genuine warnings and continue to plunge into the depths of ideological purity.
2012-11-24 05:47:28 PM
1 votes:
Romney lost because he was a horrible candidate who ran an incompetent campaign even though he's been campaigning for six farking years.
2012-11-24 05:45:03 PM
1 votes:
I'm not sure which point is more laughably idiotic....Reagan being one of the two best presidents or carter being one of the two worst (dependent on Obama's term).
2012-11-24 05:43:25 PM
1 votes:
FTFA:

Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980.

Reasonable postmortem? Hardly.

She completely ignores the fact that the GOP platform alienated everyone but old white men.

Romney lost pure and simple because Obama crushed him with the Latino and woman vote.
2012-11-24 05:41:07 PM
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: Because of that, and also because he is in the top two best American presidents, Reagan's example is worth studying.

Who is number 1? W? Nixon? Jesus?


So giving her the benefit of the doubt, that still means Washington or Lincoln isn't in the top two.
2012-11-24 05:00:33 PM
1 votes:
Smitty, I gave the article a chance.

But, when Coulter wrote about Reagan's being among the two best presidents and Carter's being among the two worst (after Obama, presumably), I realized she wasn't speaking from her Adam-appled throat; she was speaking from her ass.

Just as an aside, isn't it "interesting" that, for Republicans, every Democratic president is the worst in history and every Democratic presidential nominee is the most liberal ever? As an aside, I wish Obama were as liberal as the Republicans claim he is...but, I know that's not who he is. And, even if I don't think Obama is a Roosevelt or a Jefferson (at least, not yet), he doesn't belong in the same league as Richard Nixon or James Buchanan. And, quite frankly, neither does Jimmy Carter.
2012-11-24 04:00:48 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: Romney wasn't a rude, condescending jerk?


Not nearly to the level that some of the right wing would have liked to see. Remember that Romney's support on the right increased when he was having his bus honk and drive in circles around Obama events.

There are people in the "conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed " camp who are just convinced that had Romney spoken entirely in incomprehensible right-wing gibberish, that it would have totally made him look better to the voters.

I mean, who among us wouldn't be persuaded by a 30 second ad that managed to work in the phrases "Boy king", "Holder's people", "feckless", "apology tour", "wookie" and "madrassa".
2012-11-24 03:57:28 PM
1 votes:
He said he'd issue a 50-state waiver to Obamacare on his first day in office. (Why he didn't promise it to all 57 states I'll never know.)

*drink*

Ah, RW humor.

This one *is* kinda funny though.

Here's Coltface, long established spewer of over-the-top RW propaganda and vicious hyperbole, being forced into defending her position as an unrepentant Romney shill all these long months to the likes of Teahadist Jenny Beth Martin who have declared her and her candidate RINOs.

In case anyone missed that I'll repeat it more slowly...

Ann Coulter is the moderate in this picture.

You really do have to laugh at that.

And this...

The only Republican to defeat a sitting president in the last century was Ronald Reagan in 1980, when he beat Jimmy Carter, the second-worst president in U.S. history (pending the final results of Obama's second term). Because of that, and also because he is in the top two best American presidents, Reagan's example is worth studying.
2012-11-24 03:41:23 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.


He refused to accept defeat in the face of overwhelming victory.
 
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