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2012-11-24 07:47:24 PM  

bobbette: My god, the woman is a terrible writer. I think I have gleaned some points from her meandering BS:

1. Reagan ran as a centrist, vaguely differentiated candidate
2. Republicans are farking morons now
3. There are fewer white people and this is a problem for Republicans (aside: Coulter sounds disappointed about the "dwindling white majority", which I suppose is to be expected.)
4. Oh, and blame the primary race.


Republican pundits write stand-up bits, not essays. They are used to short media appearances and need to push premise, exaggeration and "derp!", then move on quickly before anyone not medicated or accidentally paying full attention tries to unravel the syllogistic travesty laid before them.
 
2012-11-24 07:48:50 PM  

badhatharry: Romney lost for a variety of reasons. The main one was that not enough people voted for him.


I blame ACORN.
 
2012-11-24 07:49:51 PM  

Weaver95: Gyrfalcon: .

I like that it's only "rude and condescending" when it's Obama talking to Romney. Romney talking to his constituents apparently doesn't count; so the "47%" remarks that did him in evidently were neither rude nor condescending in her view.

that's the part I don't understand. that video is up on gotdamn YOUTUBE! we can see it. we can go back and listen to Romney insulting 47% of the country. how do you say Romney isn't a condescending rude asshole when we have video evidence that proves otherwise?


Because... Obummer.... psha!

My parents treat everyone like absolute shiat, they have no friends, none of their children talk to them, yet they just cannot understand why everyone refuses to be around them. Why them?! They're simply speaking the truth like Beck and Coulter tell them to....

Really, they treat the bagboy at their grocery store better than they treat their family; and they treat the bagboy like he's a retarded crack-head to be shunned.
 
2012-11-24 08:04:57 PM  

bobbette: ScreamingHangover:

2. Coulter just announced which side she's taking (social moderate/fiscal conservative).
.

I'm not sure if I agree with your point 2 because of this line:

Where are today's Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

George H.W. Bush and his progeny Jeb Bush are the patron saints of the social mod-fiscal con side of the GOP right now.
Unless that line is Coulter slamming a GOP that can't include these types of Republicans... I can't even tell. At first I thought so, but then I realized Ann Coulter would never say something to credit Arlen Specter.
More likely she's just trying to deliberately provoke all sides and doesn't make a lick of sense while doing so. I don't think we really need to go into all that much depth in terms of textual interpretation here.


That Coulter mentions Specter reinforces my point: the social mod-fiscal con side of the GOP has been playing a policy of appeasement to the radical right with the hope of containment. That's why you saw McCain choose Palin and Romney choose Ryan, as well as the party platform moving more toward the extreme. However, the moderates have slowly come to the realization that the extreme has become more of a liability than an asset. Meanwhile, due to this appeasement, the teabaggers have grossly overestimated their importance.

The dems had a similar problem with the left back in the late 70's through the 80's. There was internal warfare in the Democratic party that lead to the forming of the "New Democrats": the Democratic Leadership Committee, the New Democrat Network, and the New Democrat Coalition in both the House and Senate. Bill Clinton was a charter member.

Back in the mid-late 80's "liberal" was as derisive a term as "teabagger" or "neo-con" is today:

www.davart.net

Bloom County 1985
 
2012-11-24 08:08:51 PM  
Let me say, seriously I think Romney had a chance of being the worst president in modern times.

The reason is he doesn't stand for anything. I think he would have had his pro-business buddies come in and set up shop and have the tea-party dictate to him. I think Bush was bad because he was not strong willed either and did what others told him.

Hopefully with no new election Obama will be freed up just to do what he thinks is right.
 
2012-11-24 08:10:15 PM  

cman: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'm just going to assume that she used an epithet of some kind and not read the article.

And yet I am the moran for saying that the left plays the "race card" too damn often

/Well, I am a moran, but not in that aspect


Since when is an epithet (Websters: a disparaging or abusive word or phrase. Which she does use plenty in the article) automatically a racial epithet? Seems since you're the only one throwing the race card around here, yes you are in that aspect.
 
2012-11-24 08:14:24 PM  
That was definitely the most reasonable thing I've ever read from her. She called Reagan a great president, then actually pointed out how liberal he was compared to today's Republicans, then reiterated she still thought he was a great president. I never would have thought someone at her level of screed could get past that cognitive dissonance. She didn't quite go so far as calling Romney too conservative, but she did say that his problem wasn't that he was too moderate.
 
2012-11-24 08:18:36 PM  

ScreamingHangover: bobbette: ScreamingHangover:

2. Coulter just announced which side she's taking (social moderate/fiscal conservative).
.

I'm not sure if I agree with your point 2 because of this line:

Where are today's Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

George H.W. Bush and his progeny Jeb Bush are the patron saints of the social mod-fiscal con side of the GOP right now.
Unless that line is Coulter slamming a GOP that can't include these types of Republicans... I can't even tell. At first I thought so, but then I realized Ann Coulter would never say something to credit Arlen Specter.
More likely she's just trying to deliberately provoke all sides and doesn't make a lick of sense while doing so. I don't think we really need to go into all that much depth in terms of textual interpretation here.

That Coulter mentions Specter reinforces my point: the social mod-fiscal con side of the GOP has been playing a policy of appeasement to the radical right with the hope of containment. That's why you saw McCain choose Palin and Romney choose Ryan, as well as the party platform moving more toward the extreme. However, the moderates have slowly come to the realization that the extreme has become more of a liability than an asset. Meanwhile, due to this appeasement, the teabaggers have grossly overestimated their importance.

The dems had a similar problem with the left back in the late 70's through the 80's. There was internal warfare in the Democratic party that lead to the forming of the "New Democrats": the Democratic Leadership Committee, the New Democrat Network, and the New Democrat Coalition in both the House and Senate. Bill Clinton was a charter member.

Back in the mid-late 80's "liberal" was as derisive a term as "teabagger" or "neo-con" is today:

[www.davart.net image 538x600]

Bloom County 1985


Damn I miss that comic. Looked forward to it everyday in the campus paper.
 
2012-11-24 08:20:37 PM  
Gee, a witty and trenchant "57 states" quip. Those certainly haven't gotten old, no sir.
 
2012-11-24 08:25:28 PM  

Weaver95: How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.


She meant "uppity".
 
2012-11-24 08:27:33 PM  

cman: And yet I am the moran for saying that the left plays the "race card" too damn often


Not an accusation that can be leveled against the Right, the RNC was the whitest mass congregation this side of a Lawrence Welk audience.
 
2012-11-24 08:30:04 PM  
A fool is a fool, and she is a heck of a fool.

Her idea was that Obama was unbeatable as an incumbent( even though we see many one term presidencies throughout time), and that there was a tough primary race (as there nearly always is).

She says Romney wasn't the problem, his platform wasn't the problem, the situation was tilted against them to make the race unwinnable.

No mention of the actual problems there.

There was no plan for growth with Romney, he would never say what his tax loophole closures would be, how he would differ in foreign policy (it seemed that he wouldn't) he never told how his increase in military spending would help anyone or be paid for, he said over and over that he would create 12 million jobs and yet he said gvernment doesn't create jobs. So we knew what he would repeal but we never knew what we would get, or who his appointments would be. Further, for the more swingy voters, the plan was Obama's slow growth or Mitt Romney's gamble, which may be faster growth or may indeed be a deleveraging that could sink the economy.

After the campaign we saw the influence of Latino and Black voters and the Democrat's grassroots door to door campaign's overwhelming effectiveness.

Actual intospection from Coliter would have mentioned these but instead we got a scattershot list of "things I know about history" and strange rankings of the best and second worst presidents. In all, a load of garbage that excuses the failings of the campaign and just said it was never winnable. In essence- sour grapes.
 
2012-11-24 08:38:13 PM  
The same Ann Coulter that called the president a "retard?"

Yeah. I'll pass.
 
2012-11-24 08:44:18 PM  
Apparently, "reasonable" now includes referring to your opponents as godless traitors.
 
2012-11-24 08:47:47 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Gee, a witty and trenchant "57 states" quip. Those certainly haven't gotten old, no sir.


Again - you work with what you got, and that's all they got, or they'd abandon it in favor of something with meat on it.

/Teleprompter!
 
2012-11-24 08:52:09 PM  
Site farked. Good night.
 
2012-11-24 09:15:51 PM  

quatchi:
///*clutches "your waiting line number is # 6, 875, 749, 997, 281" ticket tightly*


furrynuff.files.wordpress.com

Well, looks like I'm next.
 
2012-11-24 09:18:58 PM  
it was the republican platform that lost
 
2012-11-24 09:29:01 PM  

robertus: quatchi:
///*clutches "your waiting line number is # 6, 875, 749, 997, 281" ticket tightly*

[furrynuff.files.wordpress.com image 450x253]

Well, looks like I'm next.


ihatepeacocks.com
 
2012-11-24 09:45:59 PM  
Riddle me this, Green Hornet.

-- Doctor Octopus
 
2012-11-24 10:02:14 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Barack Obama 62,611,250 50.6%
Mitt Romney 59,134,475 47.8%

In general these people simply don't accept facts, do they?


According to Wikipedia:

Obama: 64,428,975 (50.8%)
Romney: 60,227,548 (47.5%)
 
2012-11-24 10:07:55 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-24 10:11:52 PM  
"Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980. At least one of those won't be true next time. But we're not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn't conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough. "

Well, once again, Ann Coulter misses the point like a champ. Just answer one question...

If Romney lost because 'the elements were against him' and not because he was, simply, the wrong man for the job, why did the Democrats increase their lead in the Senate, reduce the GOP majority in the House, and, more tellingly, won most of their ballot initiatives like on gay marriage and the legalization of pot?
 
2012-11-24 10:26:20 PM  

The Lone Gunman: "Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980. At least one of those won't be true next time. But we're not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn't conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough. "

Well, once again, Ann Coulter misses the point like a champ. Just answer one question...

If Romney lost because 'the elements were against him' and not because he was, simply, the wrong man for the job, why did the Democrats increase their lead in the Senate, reduce the GOP majority in the House, and, more tellingly, won most of their ballot initiatives like on gay marriage and the legalization of pot?


That was an accident.
 
2012-11-24 10:27:07 PM  

Somacandra: Condensed and ensmall-ened for your non-clicking pleasure:


I don't whether to thank you for your efforts, or /plonk you for the damage it inflicted upon me. I guess I'll stick with thanking you, and go bash my head off a wall as penance for not knowing better than to read it. Then a round of heavy drinking to kill off the brain cells that retain the memory of that particular instance of Coulter crazy.

It's entirely possible, however, that procedure is the reason I never remember not to read her work.
 
2012-11-24 10:27:56 PM  
For those who didnt know.

Barack Obama now has 64,428,975 votes to Romneys (exceeding McCain by 300,000 votes) 60,227,548 votes.

With votes still coming in and it wont be finished till around December 10th per the usual....Obama will beat Romney by over 4 million votes with about 3 million less people voting this time than in 2008.
 
2012-11-24 10:31:47 PM  

Testiclaw: But before I could finish my thought she continued;

"But what can you expect when the Democrats put up the most extreme leftist candidate this country has ever faced?"

Ahh, there it is!


and yet he got elected. what's the word when your brain just can't process factual information? how many on the right are having this problem this month?
 
2012-11-24 10:43:30 PM  
Reagan had also been an actual member of the godless, treason party.

This is not to diminish Reagan. It is to say that Romney wasn't the problem.


I want to be angry with you, subby, because this is pants-shiattingly stupid.

On the other hand, I must reluctantly admit it is one of the most reasonable things I've heard out of a Republican this month.
 
2012-11-24 10:44:38 PM  
As for the total vote...

131,393,990 in 2008.

Right now it is 126,832,750 total votes in 2012.

Probably will hit around 128,000,000 in 2012...3 million less.

New York right now has 6.1 million people voting in 2012 but had 7.6 million vote in 2008.
New Jersey has 3.465 million people voting in 2012 but had 3.8 million people in 2008.

In those two states they are missing 2 million votes from 2008...I wonder why.

Now in California they had 12.49 million votes in 2012 and in 2008 had 13.56 but they havent finished tallying it all in california or the west so I wont say thats where another million is missing quite yet.

Still I believe 2012 difference will be about 3 million less voters from 2008 and the biggest chunk will be from New York and New Jersey a combined 2 million.

In a month we will know how close the voting numbers really were.
 
2012-11-24 10:48:52 PM  
Wow that was the same thing she's saying not to do. heads in the sand; the problem was never "too conservative" LOL! I'm so glad that gal is "working" for the conservatives in the party.
 
2012-11-24 11:07:39 PM  
Ann has his moments.
 
2012-11-24 11:11:24 PM  

Weaver95: Gyrfalcon: .

I like that it's only "rude and condescending" when it's Obama talking to Romney. Romney talking to his constituents apparently doesn't count; so the "47%" remarks that did him in evidently were neither rude nor condescending in her view.

that's the part I don't understand. that video is up on gotdamn YOUTUBE! we can see it. we can go back and listen to Romney insulting 47% of the country. how do you say Romney isn't a condescending rude asshole when we have video evidence that proves otherwise?


Typical of Republicans these days. They forget that there are such things as books,records,the internet, memories...

You can spin all you want, but it all falls down when you go back to the videotape.
 
2012-11-24 11:19:29 PM  

cman: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'm just going to assume that she used an epithet of some kind and not read the article.

And yet I am the moran for saying that the left plays the "race card" too damn often


Well, yes. I've heard about 10x more biatching about "playing the race card" than I've actually seen people doing so.
 
2012-11-24 11:42:58 PM  

andrewagill: Romney was the most libertarian candidate Republicans have run since Calvin Coolidge.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 240x300]
WHAT AM I CHOPPED LIVER?


No one knows what Romney is or was. Certainly not himself. He may or may not have been the most Libertarian candidate since Coolidge or even Goldwater at some time.
 
2012-11-24 11:49:18 PM  

jenlen: Massachusetts: "... a state between Blue and North Korea."

That was funny, and from where I sit probably true enough.


Yeah, life is so horrible here in Massachusetts - name a quality-of-life index item and we're pretty much always in the top 5, across the board. Except maybe for traffic, but that's some of the price of doing business.
 
2012-11-25 12:06:01 AM  

graggor: As for the total vote...

131,393,990 in 2008.

Right now it is 126,832,750 total votes in 2012.

Probably will hit around 128,000,000 in 2012...3 million less.

New York right now has 6.1 million people voting in 2012 but had 7.6 million vote in 2008.
New Jersey has 3.465 million people voting in 2012 but had 3.8 million people in 2008.

In those two states they are missing 2 million votes from 2008...I wonder why.

Now in California they had 12.49 million votes in 2012 and in 2008 had 13.56 but they havent finished tallying it all in california or the west so I wont say thats where another million is missing quite yet.

Still I believe 2012 difference will be about 3 million less voters from 2008 and the biggest chunk will be from New York and New Jersey a combined 2 million.

In a month we will know how close the voting numbers really were.


Another reason California was short a million votes: not only was Obama an absolute shoo-in, but SenatorFeinstein was a total shoo-in too. So much so that we had NO advertising from either of them. Californians didn't even know DiFi was running this cycle.
 
2012-11-25 12:19:40 AM  
It takes a use pendulous testicles and a big, thick penis to rank Reagan ahead of Washington and Lincoln.
 
2012-11-25 12:20:32 AM  
Swap out 'huge' for 'use'.
 
2012-11-25 12:22:09 AM  

Weaver95: How many more votes would Romney have gotten by being a rude, condescending jerk? Sure, it worked for Obama, but he was the incumbent.

Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.


Yeah, made me wonder what part of this blog counted as "reasonable". I don't remember Obama being a rude, condescending jerk either, but then again, maybe Ann is having some kind of allergic reaction to the stick up her ass that is causing perception issues.
 
2012-11-25 12:39:19 AM  
It would take a much longer and much more insightful article than that to enumerate the reasons the GOP lost the election, and it would take a much brighter and braver author to write it.
 
2012-11-25 01:05:36 AM  

cman: Copyright infringement does not befit you


Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.
 
2012-11-25 01:16:44 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I don't whether to thank you for your efforts, or /plonk you for the damage it inflicted upon me.


Its often been stated in threads like there that there are a number of posters who don't want to give page clicks to certain sites. I think its a bit silly myself, but it comes up often enough that someone will offer to take one for the thread and post it inline for the benefit of those people. Facilitating the marketplace of ideas is mildly important to me so today I took a turn as that person. As the headline informed us---well, everyone knew what they were in for. At least it wasn't Timecube.
 
2012-11-25 02:10:06 AM  

Testiclaw: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Testiclaw: I attended Thanksgiving with a staunchly conservative family of a friend. The entire afternoon was literally talking points: "Obamaphone", welfare queens, Barry lost the popular vote, America "re-nigged", etc.

The whole time I just focused on consuming turkey and pie.

One of the ladies there finally said, "Romney lost because he was trying too much to be extreme. We need a more moderate republican if we ever want a Republican in the whitehouse again"...

...I stopped eating, looked around and thought to myself, "well, shiat, I didn't expect something that reasonable to come out of her"

But before I could finish my thought she continued;

"But what can you expect when the Democrats put up the most extreme leftist candidate this country has ever faced?"

Ahh, there it is!

So I went back to eating turkey and pie.

Barack Obama 62,611,250 50.6%
Mitt Romney 59,134,475 47.8%

In general these people simply don't accept facts, do they?

Short answer? No.

Long answer? Nooooooooooooooooo.

It was surreal.


See, that's the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

With Democrats, facts are immutable and opinions are flexible.

With Republicans, its the other way around.
 
2012-11-25 02:18:15 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: jenlen: Massachusetts: "... a state between Blue and North Korea."

That was funny, and from where I sit probably true enough.

Yeah, life is so horrible here in Massachusetts - name a quality-of-life index item and we're pretty much always in the top 5, across the board. Except maybe for traffic, but that's some of the price of doing business.


Not to mention Massachusetts is in color.
 
2012-11-25 02:19:37 AM  

Summoner101: Zulu_as_Kono: jenlen: Massachusetts: "... a state between Blue and North Korea."

That was funny, and from where I sit probably true enough.

Yeah, life is so horrible here in Massachusetts - name a quality-of-life index item and we're pretty much always in the top 5, across the board. Except maybe for traffic, but that's some of the price of doing business.

Not to mention Massachusetts is in color.


Ate my link
 
2012-11-25 02:27:11 AM  
memedepot.com
 
2012-11-25 02:27:19 AM  
Similar to a broken clock, her article was correct.

/ seriously, I kept wondering why absolutely nobody talked about the difficulties of defeating an incumbent
// was the recession supposed to cancel that out?
 
2012-11-25 02:39:07 AM  
Didn't she endorse an old fat white guy? Yeah, that would have turned out way better than a Mormon. /s
 
2012-11-25 03:15:09 AM  

Somacandra: This Face Left Blank: I don't whether to thank you for your efforts, or /plonk you for the damage it inflicted upon me.

Its often been stated in threads like there that there are a number of posters who don't want to give page clicks to certain sites. I think its a bit silly myself, but it comes up often enough that someone will offer to take one for the thread and post it inline for the benefit of those people. Facilitating the marketplace of ideas is mildly important to me so today I took a turn as that person. As the headline informed us---well, everyone knew what they were in for. At least it wasn't Timecube.


Shiat man, you're not supposed to take posts like that seriously. It's just one of many defense mechanisms common to Fark when faced with overwhelming and soul-crushing crazy. You're doing God's work, Soma, keep it up.
 
2012-11-25 03:34:16 AM  

red5ish: It would take a much longer and much more insightful article than that to enumerate the reasons the GOP lost the election, and it would take a much brighter and braver author to write it.


He lost for one reason, and it was the usual one:
If you let your opponent define you, you're done.

You can break it down a bit more, but that's the underlying cause. Romney had lost the election by the end of July. Asking if the 47% thing made a difference is like asking if a guy would have heart attack if you hadn't chopped his head off.
 
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