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2012-11-24 06:22:59 PM

quatchi: fusillade762: GOD DAMMIT, subby. Warn us next time. I just gave Ann F*CKING Coulter a page hit.

Well in fairness to subby the link clearly said "Some guy".

Caveat emptor, all that.


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2012-11-24 06:23:34 PM
There was nothing reasonable or rational about that article. It's the same crap she's been spewing for years. Reagan is #1, Carter sucks and Romney wasn't conservative enough.
Oh, and that line about "waiting to see the outcome of Obama's second term" was such B.S. Obama could single-handedly cure AIDS, reduce the deficit to $0, successfully protect the Israeli border for decades to come and reduce abortions to zero in this country and he would still be "history's greatest monster".
/Fark yourself with a poison-tipped arrow you coont.
 
2012-11-24 06:23:44 PM
"To the extent Republicans have a problem with their candidates, it's not that they're not conservative enough. Where are today's Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

Having vanquished liberal Republicans, the party's problem now runs more along the lines of moron showoffs, trying to impress tea partiers like Jenny Beth Martin by taking insane positions..."

Okay, but once you've gotten rid of the moderates and the crazy people, how many voters does that leave in the GOP?
 
2012-11-24 06:23:54 PM

bulldg4life: I'm not sure which point is more laughably idiotic....Reagan being one of the two best presidents or carter being one of the two worst (dependent on Obama's term).


When a Republican is insulting someone, don't expect the words to mean anything. They just throw everything they have at whoever is opposing them at the moment.
 
2012-11-24 06:23:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: .

I like that it's only "rude and condescending" when it's Obama talking to Romney. Romney talking to his constituents apparently doesn't count; so the "47%" remarks that did him in evidently were neither rude nor condescending in her view.


that's the part I don't understand. that video is up on gotdamn YOUTUBE! we can see it. we can go back and listen to Romney insulting 47% of the country. how do you say Romney isn't a condescending rude asshole when we have video evidence that proves otherwise?
 
2012-11-24 06:24:49 PM

bulldg4life: I'm not sure which point is more laughably idiotic....Reagan being one of the two best presidents or carter being one of the two worst (dependent on Obama's term).


That was the point I stopped reading. There's a point where stupid gets too hard to get on with.
 
2012-11-24 06:25:32 PM
I am so confused.

I can only conclude that either

1> I just slipped into an alternate universe, or
2> Ann Coulter was finally locked away and someone more reasonable wrote this under her name.

I'm banking on #1. I'm 70% sure I just saw some odd pepperpot with a plunger on it zipping down the street screeching "Exterminate". And there's this blue police box in my hall. No idea how it got there.
 
2012-11-24 06:30:33 PM
While Coulter is a douche in general, I do like the fact that she's trying to point out that the Reagan that Republicans worship today not only never existed, he'd probably be drummed out of the Republican Party if he were around today and did, legislatively, what he did. Reagan as governor of California was no less liberal than Romney was as governor of Massachusetts (taking into account the decades of social change in the interim). Today he'd have been as reviled as Romney was for those positions. Nowadays they forget about all that.

Reagan worked on immigration reform. He cut taxes, yes, but when that was a bit much, he later raised taxes. He compromised with Congressional Democrats on a whole host of issues.

The "Never Raised Taxes, Hardline Anti-Immigrant, Never Compromised With Democrats, Balanced the Budget (ha! He launched the massive "borrow and spend" era)" Ronald Reagan that the modern Republican Party lauds and vows to emulate never existed. It's a complete and utter fiction, and yet the entire party goes around saying "I'm gonna do what Reagan did and refuse to raise taxes under any circumstances!"

Frankly, if the party nominated another Ronald Reagan we'd be way better off than any of the clowns that were in the primaries in 2012. He might win, he might not, but at least he was a teensy bit rational.
 
2012-11-24 06:31:16 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Testiclaw: I attended Thanksgiving with a staunchly conservative family of a friend. The entire afternoon was literally talking points: "Obamaphone", welfare queens, Barry lost the popular vote, America "re-nigged", etc.

The whole time I just focused on consuming turkey and pie.

One of the ladies there finally said, "Romney lost because he was trying too much to be extreme. We need a more moderate republican if we ever want a Republican in the whitehouse again"...

...I stopped eating, looked around and thought to myself, "well, shiat, I didn't expect something that reasonable to come out of her"

But before I could finish my thought she continued;

"But what can you expect when the Democrats put up the most extreme leftist candidate this country has ever faced?"

Ahh, there it is!

So I went back to eating turkey and pie.

Barack Obama 62,611,250 50.6%
Mitt Romney 59,134,475 47.8%

In general these people simply don't accept facts, do they?


Short answer? No.

Long answer? Nooooooooooooooooo.

It was surreal.
 
2012-11-24 06:35:38 PM
and also because he is in the top two best American presidents, Reagan's example is worth studying.

Washington, Lincoln and FDR loling hard
 
2012-11-24 06:37:31 PM

quatchi: fusillade762: GOD DAMMIT, subby. Warn us next time. I just gave Ann F*CKING Coulter a page hit.

Well in fairness to subby the link clearly said "Some guy".

Caveat emptor, all that.


I'll admit, I'm not a big fan of bashing Coulter for his, sorry, her appearance; her ideas are ugly enough. On the other hand, I've been seeing stuff like this for so long:

blogs4conservatives.files.wordpress.com

I remember all the Freeper threads from back in the day where any thread that mentioned her was filled with swooning fanboys (there's a rule there that pics are obligatory in Coulter threads), and it seems as though their main point was, "She's on our side and she's SO FREAKING HOT! Suck it, libs!!!1111!!!!"

So now I lean more towards, "Really, that's what you consider hot? That's what you consider important when it comes to political debates?"
 
2012-11-24 06:41:02 PM
FTA: Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980. At least one of those won't be true next time. But we're not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn't conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough.

Hey, Phssthpok-with-an-alleged-vagina. Let me refresh your memory of an earlier prediction that you made about the 2012 presidential election:

If you don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose.
 
2012-11-24 06:41:20 PM

Karac: [img248.imageshack.us image 488x655]

I'm assuming the chick in the corner is supposed to be Ann. The general horsey-facishness looks like her.
Now why she was supposed to have been supporting Obama I don't know, but obviously she's a sellout turncoat RINO.


Or she's telling Christie to drink the poison after HE turned traitor by not calling the president a niHARUMRHUBARBPHHAR... I mean, by not calling the president a traitor and horrible at his job in response to Sandy.
 
2012-11-24 06:41:34 PM
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2012-11-24 06:41:42 PM
That line about Reagan being one of thje top two presidents bugged me too. If she'd said top five, or top two of the 20th century, I might cut her some slack, but... better than Jefferson? Better than Teddy Roosevelt? Better than Andrew Jackson? Better than either Washington or Lincoln? What that kind of comment reveals is a profound ignorance of history, both on the part of Ms. Coulter and of her audience.
 
2012-11-24 06:44:00 PM

clambam: That line about Reagan being one of thje top two presidents bugged me too.


I'm almost surprised she didn't up the derp further by saying that Reagan counts as the top two because he had two terms.
 
2012-11-24 06:45:01 PM

Testiclaw: So I went back to eating turkey and pie.


Sounds bizzarre, I hope the pie was good at least.

/Big fan of pie.
 
2012-11-24 06:45:27 PM

quatchi: And this...

The only Republican to defeat a sitting president in the last century was Ronald Reagan in 1980, when he beat Jimmy Carter, the second-worst president in U.S. history (pending the final results of Obama's second term). Because of that, and also because he is in the top two best American presidents, Reagan's example is worth studying.


It's funny that Republicans keep farking that Reagan chicken, seeing as he was moderate, expanded government more than just about any president in history (I think he's close to Dubya), and completely exploded the deficit, in addition to ignoring AIDS because no one wanted to admit at first it wasn't just a gay disease.
 
2012-11-24 06:46:36 PM
If she said that Romney has a tiny penis and no balls, she probably just considers him too Conservative for a real Republican C*** lie her.
 
2012-11-24 06:47:40 PM

clambam: That line about Reagan being one of thje top two presidents bugged me too. If she'd said top five, or top two of the 20th century, I might cut her some slack, but... better than Jefferson? Better than Teddy Roosevelt? Better than Andrew Jackson? Better than either Washington or Lincoln? What that kind of comment reveals is a profound ignorance of history, both on the part of Ms. Coulter and of her audience.


Agreed. I really cant think about anything else in this article. Its such a ridiculous comment. List of Presidents from Scholars are almost uniformly Lincoln, Washington and FDR in different orders as 1,2,3. The Reagan modern republicans love doesn't even having a basis in reality. The Carter thing is just butthurt though, he wasn't good but he was far from the worst. the weaklings that followed Jackson an Lincoln come to mind.
 
2012-11-24 06:48:07 PM
Oh, crap. I sure screwed that line up. Should have said "Lieberal".
 
2012-11-24 06:49:21 PM
Whenever I read one of her columns, I'm always reminded of watching Al Franken put her in her proper place.
 
2012-11-24 06:49:34 PM

HighOnCraic: So now I lean more towards, "Really, that's what you consider hot? That's what you consider important when it comes to political debates?"


When you know you can't win on substance, style points are all that's left.
 
2012-11-24 06:50:55 PM

zarberg: quatchi: And this...

The only Republican to defeat a sitting president in the last century was Ronald Reagan in 1980, when he beat Jimmy Carter, the second-worst president in U.S. history (pending the final results of Obama's second term). Because of that, and also because he is in the top two best American presidents, Reagan's example is worth studying.

It's funny that Republicans keep farking that Reagan chicken, seeing as he was moderate, expanded government more than just about any president in history (I think he's close to Dubya), and completely exploded the deficit, in addition to ignoring AIDS because no one wanted to admit at first it wasn't just a gay disease.


My uncle, who makes Ann Coulter look like Jill Stein, and is a medical doctor, was arguing in the '80s that AIDS was only a gay disease.

/Just another example of how doctors are better thought of as auto mechanics than scientists
 
2012-11-24 06:51:47 PM

quatchi: HighOnCraic: So now I lean more towards, "Really, that's what you consider hot? That's what you consider important when it comes to political debates?"

When you know you can't win on substance, style points are all that's left.


Yeah, but they're losing on style points as well. . .
 
2012-11-24 06:56:05 PM

make me some tea: I'm not entirely sure what her main point is.


1. There's about to be an open civil war in the GOP between the radical right/tea party and the social moderates/fiscal conservatives. Think the Perry/Santorum branch vs the Christie/Bloomberg branch.

2. Coulter just announced which side she's taking (social moderate/fiscal conservative).

If you think the 2012 elections were a nasty affair, just sit back and watch the blood flow in the GOP primaries leading up to the 2014/2016 elections. So far we're only seeing the radical right playing the blame game for 2012 (aka: the GOP wasn't radical enough), but expect the moderates to stop the appeasement and openly call them out.

This should be entertaining.
 
2012-11-24 06:59:34 PM

Rann Xerox: Hey, Phssthpok-with-an-alleged-vagina.


That's totally uncalled for. What have protectors ever done to you?
 
2012-11-24 07:00:15 PM
Massachusetts: "... a state between Blue and North Korea."

That was funny, and from where I sit probably true enough.
 
2012-11-24 07:01:54 PM

Testiclaw: We need a more moderate republican if we ever want a Republican in the whitehouse again"...


How does that change one vote? It's like saying "be more like the guy we voted for and we'll vote for you instead of him". Doesn't make sense.
 
2012-11-24 07:02:58 PM

cchris_39: Testiclaw: We need a more moderate republican if we ever want a Republican in the whitehouse again"...

How does that change one vote? It's like saying "be more like the guy we voted for and we'll vote for you instead of him". Doesn't make sense.


It's more along the lines of "well, I don't like either, so I'm not voting."
 
2012-11-24 07:10:42 PM

RedPhoenix122: cchris_39: Testiclaw: We need a more moderate republican if we ever want a Republican in the whitehouse again"...

How does that change one vote? It's like saying "be more like the guy we voted for and we'll vote for you instead of him". Doesn't make sense.

It's more along the lines of "well, I don't like either, so I'm not voting."


I wish they would have voted. There were third party candidates. You don't like Mr. Republican? You had so many other options. Farking VOTE. This is the part of our politics which saddens me most. Come on, guys, it's your civic duty! FARKING VOTE!
 
2012-11-24 07:14:08 PM

DubyaHater: There was nothing reasonable or rational about that article.


Oh god, you're gonna make me defend Ann Coulter...

Ignore all of the petty jabs at the left and focus on her main point, which is to rebut claims that Romney lost because he was too much of a moderate. She correctly points out that a) Romney didn't run as a moderate, and b) Reagan, the only Republican to beat an incumbent president in the last 100 years, did.

Granted, if you were to strip out all those petty jabs the article runs half its length, but by Coulter standards it's a shockingly well-reasoned and even handed piece.
 
2012-11-24 07:16:16 PM

jenlen: Massachusetts: "... a state between Blue and North Korea."


I love the right's insistence that North Korea is some kind of liberal socialist paradise.

Let's see: a place where the minions slave away for a few unelected people at the top of the pyramid, and are given a few crumbs to pacify them. Those that object are put in their place, violently. I dunno... sounds like the Republican vision for America to me.
 
2012-11-24 07:16:57 PM

Weaver95: Obama was 'rude'? um...ok but I don't see it.


Don't you remember how he kept telling Clint Eastwood to shut up and go fark himself?

gothamist.com
 
2012-11-24 07:21:19 PM
My esteemed colleagues, at Fark.com, have just brought some new evidence to my attention. Now, history has certainly shown that even the most intuitive criminal investigator can be wrong from time to time. But if I am mistaken... if Ann is indeed a woman, as she claims to be... then, my friend, she is suffering from the worst case of hemorrhoids I have *ever* seen!

*That's* why Romney lost the election! He found Captain Winkie!
 
2012-11-24 07:22:02 PM
Romney was the most libertarian candidate Republicans have run since Calvin Coolidge.

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WHAT AM I CHOPPED LIVER?
 
2012-11-24 07:24:22 PM
My god, the woman is a terrible writer. I think I have gleaned some points from her meandering BS:

1. Reagan ran as a centrist, vaguely differentiated candidate
2. Republicans are farking morons now
3. There are fewer white people and this is a problem for Republicans (aside: Coulter sounds disappointed about the "dwindling white majority", which I suppose is to be expected.)
4. Oh, and blame the primary race.

Coulter is blind and grasping in the dark, and can almost make out what she's feeling.

1. Romney was a terrible candidate because he did not appeal to the center, and didn't even really try until the debates. She almost says that. It's true!

2. and 3. The combination of demographic change - and this is not just "fewer white people" and Republicans being farking morons now did significantly damage the Republicans in the national race.

4. Coulter is almost right that the primary also damaged the Republicans this year, because it was hijacked by a bunch of lunatics who made being an asshole lunatic a point of pride. Romney was not "beat up" in the primary - by whom, the guy hating on inner city youth and proposing a farking moon base? - but the primary forced him to run just a hair to the left of Rick Santorum and cater to the whims of people who don't belong in the reality-based community. This damaged him - permanently - with reality-based voters, a demographic that is, thankfully, still a key constituency in America.

But a key aspect of the campaign that Coulter is missing is that Romney is also an asshole. When Dick Cheney ranks above you for charisma and likability you have a problem. He also ran one of the most botched campaigns in modern history. Matt Rhoades, Eric Fehrnstrom and Stuart Stevens made Steve Schmidt, retrospectively, look like a genius. Throughout 2012, I kept thinking things like, "Hey, at least McCain-Palin pulled off a really awesome convention and didn't have Clint Eastwood talking to a chair" or "Hey, at least McCain-Palin knew how to craft a damn narrative and get it out there". The only thing that the Romney campaign did effectively that the McCain campaign farked up completely was totally neutralize and hide their completely disastrous VP pick.
 
2012-11-24 07:25:34 PM

ScreamingHangover: make me some tea: I'm not entirely sure what her main point is.

1. There's about to be an open civil war in the GOP between the radical right/tea party and the social moderates/fiscal conservatives. Think the Perry/Santorum branch vs the Christie/Bloomberg branch.

2. Coulter just announced which side she's taking (social moderate/fiscal conservative).

If you think the 2012 elections were a nasty affair, just sit back and watch the blood flow in the GOP primaries leading up to the 2014/2016 elections. So far we're only seeing the radical right playing the blame game for 2012 (aka: the GOP wasn't radical enough), but expect the moderates to stop the appeasement and openly call them out.

This should be entertaining.


Ah okay, thanks for summing that up. This war has already been playing out in the Republican debates. and primaries. Until they get this sorted out somehow, they're not gonna have any credible candidates to run against the Democrats.

*pops popcorn*
 
2012-11-24 07:27:26 PM

bobbette: My god, the woman is a terrible writer


Yeah, that was really tough to read. Probably why I didn't get much out of it. Of course I don't really care to read much of what she writes anyway. That woman is vile.
 
2012-11-24 07:27:40 PM

HighOnCraic: When you know you can't win on substance, style points are all that's left.

Yeah, but they're losing on style points as well. . .


I didn't say they were any good at it just that that was all they had left.

Well, that *and* lies.

Lots of lies.
 
2012-11-24 07:35:03 PM

ScreamingHangover:

2. Coulter just announced which side she's taking (social moderate/fiscal conservative).
.


I'm not sure if I agree with your point 2 because of this line:

Where are today's Nelson Rockefellers, Arlen Specters or George H.W. Bushes? Happily, they have gone the way of leprosy.

George H.W. Bush and his progeny Jeb Bush are the patron saints of the social mod-fiscal con side of the GOP right now.
Unless that line is Coulter slamming a GOP that can't include these types of Republicans... I can't even tell. At first I thought so, but then I realized Ann Coulter would never say something to credit Arlen Specter.
More likely she's just trying to deliberately provoke all sides and doesn't make a lick of sense while doing so. I don't think we really need to go into all that much depth in terms of textual interpretation here.
 
2012-11-24 07:36:13 PM

bobbette: 3. There are fewer white people and this is a problem for Republicans (aside: Coulter sounds disappointed about the "dwindling white majority", which I suppose is to be expected.)


Here's the two that leap out on that.

And he got more votes from the dwindling white majority than Reagan did.

and...

...and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980.

That's the takeaway that is gonna sting the old guard in the GOP.

Romney got more of the white vote than Reagan and HE STILL LOST.

Somewhere in the heart of the GOP "Southern Strategies R Us" HQ some number cruncher is shiatting his pants.

Good.
 
2012-11-24 07:36:35 PM

quatchi: HighOnCraic: When you know you can't win on substance, style points are all that's left.

Yeah, but they're losing on style points as well. . .

I didn't say they were any good at it just that that was all they had left.

Well, that *and* lies.

Lots of lies.


And this:

ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2012-11-24 07:40:32 PM
This leprosy analogy is still bugging me.

Does she mean that George H. W. Bush is a leper, and she just farked up the traditional metaphor for being outcast?

Or does the analogy point to how leprosy has been eradicated in most developed countries thanks to modern medical science, and therefore is not a relevant health concern anymore?

What the hell is "going the way of leprosy"? Is this woman trying to call the social mod-fiscal cons outcasts or just people who are irrelevant in a modern era?

I'm taking away your analogy privileges, Ann.
 
2012-11-24 07:40:53 PM
"But we're not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn't conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough."

I really fear that Republicans will come back in 2016 with a nominee that's tougher and more conservative. I fear that even more than I fear being thrown in the briar patch.
 
2012-11-24 07:41:05 PM

make me some tea: I'm not entirely sure what her main point is.


I think it was along the lines of "we didn't polish the turd as well as we can should have."
 
2012-11-24 07:41:46 PM

quatchi: Somewhere in the heart of the GOP "Southern Strategies R Us" HQ some number cruncher is shiatting his pants.


I think they have been for a while. That was the first, immediate takeaway for all these people from the election: "Holy fark there are so many minorities! HOW DO YOU SAY "EVERYONE PANIC" EN ESPANOL"
 
2012-11-24 07:43:45 PM

HighOnCraic: And this:


Somewhere in an alternate universe there's a Sarah Palin who never stopped doing local news anchorage in Anchorage.

That's the same one in which Glenn Beck remains a relatively unknown morning zoo crew DJ.

/No, you can't move there. I've looked into it.
//The waiting list is absolutely ridiculous.
///*clutches "your waiting line number is # 6, 875, 749, 997, 281" ticket tightly*
 
2012-11-24 07:44:38 PM
Romney lost for a variety of reasons. The main one was that not enough people voted for him.
 
2012-11-24 07:46:17 PM

cchris_39: Testiclaw: We need a more moderate republican if we ever want a Republican in the whitehouse again"...

How does that change one vote? It's like saying "be more like the guy we voted for and we'll vote for you instead of him". Doesn't make sense.


Opinions are not binary for most people. If I don't want to eat chicken tonight, it doesn't mean I want to eat the farthest thing from chicken under the sun. Maybe I want quail. Or pheasant. Or eggs. It also doesn't mean I want someone to suggest that anyone who eats chicken is a dupe, a farktard, or a demon.
 
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