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(The Atlantic)   The death of America's most important contribution to culture, jazz music   (theatlantic.com) divider line 129
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2012-11-24 02:15:43 PM  
As someone who lives in New Orleans, this comes as a surprise to me.
 
As well, brass band music- an offshoot of jazz- is more popular down here than any other genere.
 
2012-11-24 02:19:00 PM  
www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com
RIP Jazz
 
2012-11-24 02:22:51 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Psycoholic_Slag: WTF Indeed: Jazz isn't dead. Just like Big Band music isn't dead. They just aren't burning up the charts and being played until 4am anymore. Hell, in a few years Rock n' Roll will be as "dead" as Jazz is.

AC/DC told me rock 'n roll will NEVER die!


Neil Young said pretty much the same thing.


So did Danny and the Juniors.
 
2012-11-24 02:27:59 PM  
Bird (and Diz) lives.

Link
 
2012-11-24 02:34:57 PM  

Nogale: Most jazz music bores me to tears.
Blues, on the other hand, makes me stupid happy....


I really hate jazz music. It's like country music--I'll turn it off and sit in silence rather than have to listen to it. And while country music just annoys me, jazz drives me right up the wall. I like my music to have a little order to it. But I do like the blues.
 
2012-11-24 02:50:03 PM  
It is wonderful music.
 
2012-11-24 02:54:12 PM  

cryinoutloud: I really hate jazz music. It's like country music


www.knickknackrecords.com
 
2012-11-24 03:07:47 PM  

swahnhennessy: theflatline: Thank god my home town New Orleans still exists, and as long as it does jazz will not die.

/and please just say no to european jazz fusion.

The Europeans are some of the only ones bringing innovation to jazz. New Orleans is mostly a museum.


New Orleans has a local music scene that any city anywhere in the world would be envious of, and one that while not only is steeped in tradtion, but does venture out, but remains true to it;s roots.

Which is why when you go to see John Boutte or Kermit Ruffin, you will see people of all ages and genders tapping their feet and singing along to old and new classics. Not to mention the Marsalis family, the Nevilles, the Meters, and the thousands of local musicians.

Just because we love traditional jazz, afro cuban, swing, and dixieland styles, does not mean the city is a museum, but a city that knows it's own roots, and is proud to display them. All with a little samba and bossa nova blended in to make it smooth.

I would much prefer to listen to any of the above while marching in a second line, than listen to some guy, who more than likely a competent musician, making his horn sound like a cat in its death throes or six fingered retard on a broken sax.
 
2012-11-24 03:08:37 PM  
Not deader than dead but surely over analyzed and intellectualized and rife with kenny g wannabe smooth fusion jiveass honky chuckleheads.

All the real bona-fide reefer addict downtown hipsters know there is no more satisfying sound on this planet than

the jazz messengers

monk

mingus

miles

then again.....yeah it probably is dead.
 
2012-11-24 03:30:33 PM  

cryinoutloud: Nogale: Most jazz music bores me to tears.
Blues, on the other hand, makes me stupid happy....

I really hate jazz music. It's like country music--I'll turn it off and sit in silence rather than have to listen to it. And while country music just annoys me, jazz drives me right up the wall. I like my music to have a little order to it. But I do like the blues.


Another good reason I have you fav'd.

As a rule, when there's a jazz thread on Fark I crap all over it. Just don't have the energy this afternoon. Besides which I'm fairly certain most Fark jazz lovers aren't even seeing this post, 'cos...y'know.
 
2012-11-24 03:40:44 PM  
All pop(ular) music becomes unpopular. And eventually, it gets recycled.

The fourth wave of instrumental surf music came and went fast, yet Dick Dale played here in town Thanksgiving evening.

The article tells of the link between what the author defines as jazz and the great American songbook. Jazz, like rock and roll as well as funk, describes a rhythmic pop music with a sexual term. And as long as a performer improvises, jazz lives... just like Gregorian chants, baroque, classical, romantic, modern, and other concert music genres.

Oh, and subby? There are other hugely important American contributions to culture... in music we can include the Broadway musical and its offshoot film musicals, rock and roll, blues, hip hop, rap, and many others... and what about comic strips, comic books, pop art, Jackson Pollack, Jasper Johns, hot rods, drag racing, NASCAR, western movies and TV shows, etc. Jazz is important, but perhaps not the most important. We can include all of TV, the internet, and many recent elements of high tech communication as well.
 
2012-11-24 03:41:00 PM  

John Buck 41: Another good reason I have you fav'd.
As a rule, when there's a jazz thread on Fark I crap all over it. Just don't have the energy this afternoon. Besides which I'm fairly certain most Fark jazz lovers aren't even seeing this post, 'cos...y'know.


Yes, someone is always offended, or tells me that I'm not intelligent enough to get it, or that I have no taste or something, but sorry, I'm not trying to be----uh, whatever it is people try to be. Jazz music drives me right up a tree.

My local NPR station plays a lot of it (right now, in fact) and while I'll keep NPR on quietly in the background most of the time, even through the kiddie hour, when I hear that jazz show starting (along with the smmooooth tones of the announcer) I have to turn it off.
 
2012-11-24 03:41:40 PM  

Rann Xerox: aspAddict: [www.vervemusicgroup.com image 400x400]

Don't care much for her music, but she makes a decent album cover. 

/That's right, Diana...now let's try one without the top...

This lady doesn't do "decent album covers" like Diana Krall:

[i78.photobucket.com image 640x494]

But, then again, I stopped buying albums based on what was on the cover when I reached the age of reason.


I like Krall myself, but I'm always willing to try something new. Can you recommend a particular Barber album?
 
2012-11-24 03:48:13 PM  
taildom.com

What jazz sounds like.
 
2012-11-24 03:50:08 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-11-24 03:59:27 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: cryinoutloud: I really hate jazz music. It's like country music


I cant see what you did there.
 
2012-11-24 04:04:12 PM  
If jazz is dead, I think that that Ken Burns documentary, which is really the only truly bad one he's done, probably had about as big a role in it, by cramming all jazz done after 1960 into one segment and having Wynton Marsalis coming in to shiat all over it.
 
2012-11-24 04:06:36 PM  
Eh, just get 4 guys to play different songs at the same time.
 
2012-11-24 04:11:01 PM  
I used to enjoy most of the CTI (& Kudu) Record music.
 
2012-11-24 04:14:58 PM  
 
2012-11-24 04:21:25 PM  
www.beehivecity.com
Niiiice
 
2012-11-24 04:22:54 PM  
That got resized incorrectly. Strange.
 
2012-11-24 04:35:53 PM  
HongKong Cavaliers calling it quits?
 
2012-11-24 04:42:46 PM  
Jazz died when white people took it over.
 
2012-11-24 04:54:34 PM  

John Buck 41: [taildom.com image 640x359]

What jazz sounds like to people with the musical curiosity of a dog.


There. That's better.
 
2012-11-24 05:01:51 PM  
Only jazz album I like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-24 05:08:46 PM  
now, we can all listen to the notes they're not playing.
 
2012-11-24 05:14:23 PM  
Drinking + Jazz Music = Great way to relax.
 
2012-11-24 05:16:05 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that rock and roll was America's most important contribution to culture? I mean we completely changed the world with it.
 
2012-11-24 05:17:58 PM  

swahnhennessy: theflatline: Thank god my home town New Orleans still exists, and as long as it does jazz will not die.

/and please just say no to european jazz fusion.

The Europeans are some of the only ones bringing innovation to jazz. New Orleans is mostly a museum.


6.5/10.
 
2012-11-24 05:34:40 PM  
Leave it to the douchebags at The Atlantic to publish a douchey article about the end of Jazz music.
This is the equivalent of the necon's End of History nonsense.

/Get a clue, pseudo-intellectual hipsters.
 
2012-11-24 05:39:33 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: now, we can all listen to the notes they're not playing.


Link
 
2012-11-24 05:58:29 PM  

theflatline: Thank god my home town New Orleans still exists, and as long as it does jazz will not die.


Off topic, but I was in New Orleans a couple month ago. There were about a dozen kids right where Bourbon street playing the horns and drums. I had forgotten how nice a good horn section can sound, shame you don't hear them that much in bands today.
 
2012-11-24 07:09:19 PM  

WTF Indeed: Hell, in a few years Rock n' Roll will be as "dead" as Jazz is.


I have been hearing this since the 60's. Good luck with that.
 
2012-11-24 07:27:41 PM  
Maybe the classical image of jazz is fading but the genre is still alive and well. You just have to listen for what the musicians in groups are doing. There is a lot trained jazz musicians doing jam bands, hip hop and electronic music and working towards getting jazz harmonies more in the public ear. We realize that it would be almost impossible to make a living doing it in the old style so we adapted.

It isn't dead, it just changed it's coat.
 
2012-11-24 07:53:37 PM  
The Gershwins' "I Got Rhythm" alone begat Sidney Bechet's "Shag"; Lester Young's "Lester Leaps In"; Count Basie's "Jump for Me"; Duke Ellington's "Cotton Tail" and "Love You Madly"; Dizzy Gillespie's "Dizzy Atmosphere"; Parker's "Red Cross," "Dexterity," "Moose the Mooche," and "Steeple Chase"; Thelonious Monk's "Rhythm-a-Ning"; Davis's "Swing Spring" and "The Theme"; and Sonny Rollins's "Oleo," among many other compositions


Not to mention The Flinstones theme
 
2012-11-24 08:09:13 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: Blues not Jazz, is the most important

 
2012-11-24 08:41:16 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

The San Francisco Jazz Center is under construction about three blocks from my apartment. I don't think it's dead yet.
 
2012-11-24 08:46:53 PM  

fastfxr: As I've alway said, jazz is for middle-aged men questioning their sexual orientation.


Well you should stop saying it because it doesn't make any damn sense.

/only likes about 5-10 minutes of jazz at a time, seems like it's more fun to play than listen to.
 
2012-11-24 09:05:26 PM  
No more jazz? Now what are poseurs going to pretend they like in a sad attempt to appear intelligent?
 
2012-11-24 09:14:48 PM  
You can't kill jazz. Even if the musician dies, the music lives on.

I'm looking at you, Oscar Peterson, Thelonious Monk, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck . . .
 
2012-11-24 09:21:54 PM  

jake_lex: If jazz is dead, I think that that Ken Burns documentary, which is really the only truly bad one he's done, probably had about as big a role in it, by cramming all jazz done after 1960 into one segment and having Wynton Marsalis coming in to shiat all over it.


I gave up on it after the third (or was it fourth) episode where they spent the whole time continuously fellating Louis Armstrong. I get it, the man was a pioneer and a genius and we owe everything to him, but moving on.... When I got tipped off (I think here on Fark) that Monk, Mingus, Coltrane, and even later Miles all got rushed through as an afterthought I decided I didn't need to see any more.
 
2012-11-24 09:36:05 PM  

Richard Roma: No more jazz? Now what are poseurs going to pretend they like in a sad attempt to appear intelligent?


+a billion
 
2012-11-24 09:54:35 PM  

Bukharin: ...Europeans seem to be much more comfortable with it (except for the avant-garde/non danceable variety.)


You couldn't be more wrong. Europe has always been the place to go. Heck, the 80's-90's lower-East-side avant-garde scene did better over there than in the actual LES.
 
2012-11-24 09:55:05 PM  

Richard Roma: No more jazz? Now what are poseurs going to pretend they like in a sad attempt to appear intelligent?


Probably Prog Rock or the Doors.
 
2012-11-24 09:57:33 PM  
jazz is unspeakably boring
 
2012-11-24 10:10:39 PM  
There's still Joshua Redman, Soulive, John Scofield, Charlie Hunter, Madeleine Peyroux, Victor Wooten, Medeski Martin & Wood, and others still making jazz and jazz-like music. Hell, Keith Jarrett still kicks ass, and he's playing in Jersey next month.

/though, for my money, it hasn't gotten any "better" since the late 50s/mid 60s
 
2012-11-24 10:23:43 PM  
I used to refuse to give jazz a chance, but I started buying jazz albums from various eras 4 years ago, and my experience as a music listener has been greatly enriched for it.

But yes, as a living, relevant entity, jazz is pretty much dead.
 
2012-11-24 10:38:16 PM  

cryinoutloud: Nogale: Most jazz music bores me to tears.
Blues, on the other hand, makes me stupid happy....

I really hate jazz music. It's like country music--I'll turn it off and sit in silence rather than have to listen to it. And while country music just annoys me, jazz drives me right up the wall. ....


Ditto.
 
2012-11-24 10:47:13 PM  

borg: The San Francisco Jazz Center


Meanwhile, your mom is the San Francisco JIZZ Center.
 
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