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(Salon)   Grover Norquist: Abandon the pledge in our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances   (salon.com) divider line 278
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2012-11-24 10:07:57 PM

Satanic_Hamster: You got to remember, there's a difference between "conservatives" and "Republicans" these days.


You have True Republicans and RINOs.
 
2012-11-24 10:20:09 PM
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2012-11-24 10:26:33 PM
At the moment there are at least three Republican Parties.

#1 Corporate Conservative
#2 Tea Party
#3 Fundamentalists

Each one has its own power base, ideology, and agenda. None are beholden to the other two. To do a budget deal these days means each group must be appeased separately. They can, in fact, be treated as separate parties. Divide et impera.
 
2012-11-24 10:44:07 PM

tinyarena: At the moment there are at least three Republican Parties.

#1 Corporate Conservative
#2 Tea Party
#3 Fundamentalists

Each one has its own power base, ideology, and agenda. None are beholden to the other two. To do a budget deal these days means each group must be appeased separately. They can, in fact, be treated as separate parties. Divide et impera.


#2 and #3 both serve #1, but most of #2 and #3 don't understand that.
 
2012-11-24 11:14:51 PM

mittromneysdog: tinyarena: At the moment there are at least three Republican Parties.

#1 Corporate Conservative
#2 Tea Party
#3 Fundamentalists

Each one has its own power base, ideology, and agenda. None are beholden to the other two. To do a budget deal these days means each group must be appeased separately. They can, in fact, be treated as separate parties. Divide et impera.

#2 and #3 both serve #1, but most of #2 and #3 don't understand that.


Don't underestimate how #3 has dominated #2 and is trying to control the show by being willing to be populist in order to banish #1.
 
2012-11-24 11:26:45 PM

madgonad: whistleridge: I'll bet you $10: four years from now, the unemployment rate will be under 6%, the budget will be clearly on its way to being balanced, the overwhelming majority of the country will have at least some health insurance, and GOP candidates will be scrambling to claim what credit they can, just like they do with Clinton these days:

I would take that action. The only thing that is likely to happen is the health insurance, because Obamacare isn't going to be repealed. People will probably be cool with it by then.

However, there is really never going to be a recovery that benefits all of society. The Dow will get ever higher, but we have clearly offshored our future. The only reason unemployment (U3) is under 8% now is because so many people have shifted up to U4,5, or 6. The problem is that we aren't creating wealth - we are borrowing it. The notion that a nation can exist almost solely as a service economy is just insanity. Farming, mining, and manufacturing are necessary to a healthy economy and the greedy 1% are enjoying the fatter margins provided by offshoring, but this undermines everything.

We are following the Brits into the chorus, I just hope our avarice won't take the world with us. Who knows who might get elected after the next recession?


If that was the case, U6 should be increasing, right?This page (among others) say that U6 is doing the opposite.
 
2012-11-24 11:30:50 PM

Superjew: What actually happens when you cross the norquist?


With what?
 
2012-11-24 11:37:35 PM
Hey Republicans, you do realize that if you say "no" to Grover, he really can't do anything. It's not like he's some sort of authority figure. I really don't get why you all are so eager for him to drop his pants so you can start sucking.
 
2012-11-24 11:38:41 PM

TheMysticS: You're a supreme douche. I hope none of your political dreams ever come true.


Look at his account date. This is exactly like what the younger generation is like. They're like the right wing filth in Greece. You have your own group of uneducated angry garbage to deal with for the next couple decades.
 
2012-11-25 12:14:15 AM

heinekenftw: Hey Republicans, you do realize that if you say "no" to Grover, he really can't do anything. It's not like he's some sort of authority figure. I really don't get why you all are so eager for him to drop his pants so you can start sucking.


I'm pretty sure he's got video of each of them having nasty gay sex, or eve maybe their beloved St. Ronnie doing so. Its blackmail potential is the only thing that makes sense.
 
2012-11-25 12:17:49 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

"No one is caving," 


Who gets to tell Grover that the GOP can no longer play the pure obstructionism game during Obama's second term because it would be political suicide?

I was thinking maybe a singing gorrilla-gram but then I'm a traditionalist.
 
2012-11-25 12:27:16 AM

Homegrown: I don't know guys...I kind of want to sponsor him. We need more of this kind of hard hitting and peer reviewed posts.


Ugh. Please don't.
 
2012-11-25 01:18:59 AM
No matter how many times I pull my beat to crap Corolla next to a BMW or Lexus at the pumps, does any of the fuel going into the Lexus trickle down into my tank.

When you go to a Doctor or a surgeon, you're counting on their schooling and expertise so when the zero hour comes and you're on the table, you have a good chance of waking up and going home better than when you arrived.

Going under the knife with someone screaming about how they learned everything when they were 12 and that anything learned after 25 is useless would cause me to piss myself. Why the hell is anyone even considering this asshat's philosophy (if it can be called that) is utterly beyond me.

It's a Party of derps, the Party that is correct above all others, with Truthiness and Gallup showing the way. The annoying thing is we all get a taste of their shiat sandwich, and sullen, dumbly surprised expressions when their plans yet again blow up in their face.

Another early 40s farker the other day recalled how when they were growing up, our Dads had all sorts of jobs, we managed to have nice houses to live in, food on the table, and usually went on a pretty OK vacation once a year. That's all destroyed, now.

I'm sick of the retard coming back telling me how things will be different if we give their same shiat another chance yet again, because anything else is utterly wrong. History is a biatch if you don't look back; I see nothing but growth from 1946 to 1979, until Reagan came in and started this whole trip to being kicked in the balls. We had a nice respite with Clinton, then Chimpy got into power and mission accomplished.

The Repubs have done the impossible and succeeded in tying themselves to everything old and busted. Now we get to see another idiot mindlessly screaming that their way is best, even when all the facts show otherwise.

With Norquist and the rest of the Teabaggers, we're reaping the results of having underfunded education for decades. Add a little religion to the mix (and a dash of stunted self growth and sociopathy) and we've got idiot two-year olds who won't take no for an answer.

Time to go. Better yet, GTFO.
 
2012-11-25 01:41:41 AM

Hunter_Worthington: ...a peaceful, purely heterosexual society.


*plonk*

Sorry nothing personal but factoring your post's noise to signal ratio (ie All to none) is kind of like dividing by zero while crossing the streams.

TL,DR?

[curlybill]
 
2012-11-25 02:12:34 AM
Not sure how Grover sees this playing out, since the tax cuts are going to expire if congress can't come to some sort of compromise.

He's urging his troops to hold tight: "Even more than getting more revenues, (Democrats) want Republican fingerprints on tax increases so they can smash Republicans in the next series of elections."

^^^This doesn't make sense. By not compromising, the GOP is going to get hammered. Every Democrat running in the next election is going to point out how the Republicans wouldn't compromise and taxes went up for everybody. You can't win elections with just two percent of the voters on your side.

Grover is espousing a strategy that will hasten the destruction of the GOP, possibly the final nail in the coffin.
 
2012-11-25 02:17:08 AM

Hunter_Worthington: I'm a hate filled piece of shiat and should probably be kicked in the balls.


This is the part where I kick you in the balls.

True story.
 
2012-11-25 02:22:12 AM

Weaver95: Superjew: What actually happens when you cross the norquist?

Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.


So it's like going plaid?
 
2012-11-25 03:36:50 AM
proceed Grover....
 
2012-11-25 05:52:55 AM
When the parties are balanced, elections are balanced. They tend to flip between red and blue. But when the parties are unbalanced, they don't. 1869-1885, 1897-1913, 1922-1933, 1933-1969 were all periods where generally only one party ruled the presidency. (With the exception of Eisenhower in 53-61). If you look at the trend it's time for another period of one-party control for a stretch. The audacity and ignorance of the GOP in recent years will either force them to change or they will die and the Democrats will rule the next quarter to half century. (Hopefully)
 
2012-11-25 08:02:00 AM
Norquist bangs his fist on the desk.

"I want Fegelein," he shouts.

"Fegelein, Fegelein, Fegelein!"
 
2012-11-25 08:13:45 AM

jtrockville: According to the CBO, letting the bush-era tax cuts expire on income over 250k will get us almost $1 Trillion over 10 years ($100 Billion per year on average)


Yeah, but that's not ENOUGH to close the deficit, and therefore, we must not do that and cut funding for PBS and NPR instead.
 
2012-11-25 08:20:33 AM
red5ish:Grover is espousing a strategy that will hasten the destruction of the GOP, possibly the final nail in the coffin.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-25 12:43:14 PM
The joy of gerrymandering against democrats means that they are in districts with 70-80% D supporters and Republicans are in districts with 55% R supporters. This limits the number of D seats BUT makes them all a little safer than Rs for relection.
Republican congressmen are all on a knifes edge if they do something stupid. So raising taxes might screw them over while the Democrats have a bigger buffer.
 
2012-11-25 01:06:05 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: How come so many people care about Norquist's 12-year-old self's plan to slash most taxes into nonexistence, but nobody cares about my 12-year-old self's plan to genetically engineer real-life Pokemon and ban all mornings?


Although I'm not in agreement with the Pokemon thing, I could definitely get behind the plan to ban mornings.
 
2012-11-25 11:31:51 PM

jjorsett: DeaH: The president and the senate democrats are offering to make the Bush tax cuts permanent for everyone up to $250,000 of income. If the republicans don't act, then they are clearly saying that the tax cuts that benefit only the wealthy are more important that tax relief for the majority. This is a clear choice with a clear message.

And the Democrats holding out for those taxes are clearly saying that they're willing to burn down the economy in order to get their pound of flesh from a tiny group that they've demonized, even when the revenue derived would be so insignificant in the budget that it would be meaningless in reducing the deficit. That's the clear message, and if the Republicans had any sense they'd be putting it out there with everything they had.



So you want the republicans to lie?
 
2012-11-26 04:19:03 AM

Silly Jesus: [ninagreipel.files.wordpress.com image 600x398]


Thanks, we didn't really need to see your self-portrait.
 
2012-11-26 04:38:11 AM
So today I'm talking with a friend of mine, and I says,
"One thing that's wrong with this country. Rush Limbaugh, he's got mon-ay?"
"Yes, Rush Limbaugh has lots of money."
"Michael Savage, he's got mon-ay?"
"Yes, lots of people buying his books..."
"Glenn Beck, he's got mon-ay?"
"Oh definitely!"
"How about Michelle Malkin?"
"Yup".
"Ann Coulter."
"Yup."
"Big Bird."
"...No."
"Bingo."
 
2012-11-26 10:09:15 AM

One day Wikipedia will list
Grover Norquist
as one of the architects of the
demise of the
GOP

 

/book it done
//Nate Silver told me so
 
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