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(Salon)   Grover Norquist: Abandon the pledge in our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances   (salon.com) divider line 278
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2012-11-24 04:44:07 PM  
Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fools who signed his pledge?
 
2012-11-24 04:45:11 PM  

Silly Jesus: [ninagreipel.files.wordpress.com image 600x398]


Dammit dont get me to like you..but yeah thats what I see
 
2012-11-24 04:45:24 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Getting rid of Norquist is a great start, but they're only going to have the huge electoral successes they're expecting once they get tough on gays.


They also need to increasingly insult Mexicans and continue their pro-rape agenda. As a Democrat, I fear the GOP's skillful reading of the zeitgeist.
 
2012-11-24 04:48:18 PM  
How come so many people care about Norquist's 12-year-old self's plan to slash most taxes into nonexistence, but nobody cares about my 12-year-old self's plan to genetically engineer real-life Pokemon and ban all mornings?
 
2012-11-24 04:49:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Silly Jesus is a prime example of why "Change Images to Links" is my default setting


He's a prime example of why I use the ignore feature.
 
2012-11-24 04:49:24 PM  

ha-ha-guy: The best thing for the Reps would be to support the middle class tax cuts and try to take at least 50% of the credit by calling them bipartisan tax cuts. Instead the Reps are being morons and dying on the beachhead for the rich.


I've said the same thing before about healthcare. On either issue, they could be as blustery as they like, compromise, and then proudly proclaim it was their version that passed, not the Kenyan's. Or they could present a bill that they know the Democrats want as their own, and force them into passing Republican legislation (similar to how Clinton handled welfare reform).

Or, they can hold their breath until they crap themselves. I know where I'm placing my bets.

I just can't understand how their leadership can be this bad.
 
2012-11-24 04:54:11 PM  

born_yesterday: I just can't understand how their leadership can be this bad.


They only keep their jobs as long as they please the most ignorant and spiteful portion of the US population.

They're beholden to the Jesus-Rode-a-Dinosaur-and-Keep-Government-Hands-Off-MY-Medicare crowd.
 
2012-11-24 04:54:15 PM  
I was just dry humping my wife when she was bent over decorating the Christmas tree. The kids almost caught me. Scary stuff. It would be like trying to explain why tax cuts for the 1% creates jobs.
 
2012-11-24 04:56:40 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: How come so many people care about Norquist's 12-year-old self's plan to slash most taxes into nonexistence, but nobody cares about my 12-year-old self's plan to genetically engineer real-life Pokemon and ban all mornings?


My 12-year-old self's plan was for a device about the size/form factor of a Star Trek PADD, that would not only perform basic computing functions, but play full-length movies that were stored on small checker-size media.

If my 12-year-old self had patented that idea, my 32-year-old self would be ridiculously wealthy right now.

/not sure about your plan though...
 
2012-11-24 04:57:36 PM  

whistleridge: TV's Vinnie: dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave.

I want to dig open Grover's grave, AND piss into his mouth.

Oh, such a glorious day that will be.

You...may want to see a psychologist about that. I try not to judge on these things, and I admit I'm not a phsychology expert, but I'm pretty sure 'I want another man to die so I can exhume him and urinate into his corpse's mouth' ain't normal :p


It is if it's a chunk of evil like Grover Norquist.

/AND I'll drive a stake through his shriveled heart too afterwards, just in case.
 
2012-11-24 05:00:13 PM  

TV's Vinnie:
It is if it's a chunk of evil like Grover Norquist.

/AND I'll drive a stake through his shriveled heart too afterwards, just in case.


I dunno, man...when *I* think 'Grover Norquist', just about the last thing that goes through my head is 'whip my dick out and put it near his mouth'. I'm just saying.

I approve of your heart + stake pledge though. I would even be willing to sign it.
 
2012-11-24 05:01:30 PM  
Do we need to bring back tar and feathering?
 
2012-11-24 05:01:30 PM  
The fun starts after sequestration when Obama proposes tax cuts for people making less than $250,000/year and the GOP fights it.
 
2012-11-24 05:04:22 PM  

born_yesterday: I just can't understand how their leadership can be this bad.


John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Paul Ryan

Those are the last four people they've put up for election... to run the highest office in the land. And you can't understand how their leadership can be that bad? Did you think those were good choices?

I'm not really slamming you really... but think about it. They thought those people were the best they had. They're pulling from an increasingly shallow pool with little hope of restocking the pond. The only young people becoming Republican are die-hard racists, bigots, and willfully ignorant. Doesn't bode well for them... at all.
 
2012-11-24 05:06:00 PM  

jaytkay: born_yesterday: I just can't understand how their leadership can be this bad.

They only keep their jobs as long as they please the most ignorant and spiteful portion of the US population.

They're beholden to the Jesus-Rode-a-Dinosaur-and-Keep-Government-Hands-Off-MY-Medicare crowd.


But I can remember when that was all bluster and bullshiat. I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bush pass a sweeping anti-abortion law during his first term? It immediately had no chance whatsoever, because they deliberately failed to account for situations of rape, or the life of the mother, and was quickly forgotten.

Now, they have candidates trying to cross that line. I think what I'm trying to say is that they are reaching a point of diminishing returns, but they have few if any in the party that have the strength or will to change directions. Their hope is that they can compensate for the loss of the "fiscally moderate independent" by bringing out more of the far right. But those people were already supporting the party as hard as they could.

What I don't understand is how they can keep trying to squeeze blood from that rock. The only explanation is that their money has become independent from the will of the voter, otherwise they would have seen what the rest of us saw on election day: a repudiation of their platform. The financial support they receive from the party bigwigs must outweigh that (ie, if I change the setting from "derp", I'll lose party support during re-election, so I'm going to take my chances).
 
2012-11-24 05:18:46 PM  

whistleridge: I'll bet you $10: four years from now, the unemployment rate will be under 6%, the budget will be clearly on its way to being balanced, the overwhelming majority of the country will have at least some health insurance, and GOP candidates will be scrambling to claim what credit they can, just like they do with Clinton these days:


I would take that action. The only thing that is likely to happen is the health insurance, because Obamacare isn't going to be repealed. People will probably be cool with it by then.

However, there is really never going to be a recovery that benefits all of society. The Dow will get ever higher, but we have clearly offshored our future. The only reason unemployment (U3) is under 8% now is because so many people have shifted up to U4,5, or 6. The problem is that we aren't creating wealth - we are borrowing it. The notion that a nation can exist almost solely as a service economy is just insanity. Farming, mining, and manufacturing are necessary to a healthy economy and the greedy 1% are enjoying the fatter margins provided by offshoring, but this undermines everything.

We are following the Brits into the chorus, I just hope our avarice won't take the world with us. Who knows who might get elected after the next recession?
 
2012-11-24 05:18:48 PM  

bronyaur1: The business community frowns on your shenanigans.

It's over, Grover. You lost.


We'll see.

Bush Jr famously said "Elections have consequences." Certainly the right is talking as if that's true; we'll see in the coming months.

Personally I would love to see Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and their whole putrescent cohort in the dustbin of history.
 
2012-11-24 05:20:28 PM  
Does Norquist have an actual job? Where does he get his money? Is he involved with some toilet bowl of a "think tank", or what?
 
2012-11-24 05:21:38 PM  

themindiswatching: The Surgeon General needs to issue a public warning against echo chambers.


Like Fark?
 
2012-11-24 05:26:38 PM  

buckler: Does Norquist have an actual job? Where does he get his money? Is he involved with some toilet bowl of a "think tank", or what?


He's a lot like Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton, only less useful.
 
2012-11-24 05:26:52 PM  
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2012-11-24 05:30:52 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Silly Jesus: TheBigJerk: Derpity doo da, Derpity day, my oh my what a wonderful librul echo chamber day!

Was wondering when you would show..I guess it takes time to fill up the seltzer bottle and have fresh cream pies plus im sure the clown outfit is a biatch to put on. Thats pretty much what I see when you post plus riding a unicycle and holding a small umbrella.


I don't know, I always see the Forever Alone troll face posting biatch comments and masturbating furiously.
 
2012-11-24 05:35:26 PM  

doyner: dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave face.

FIFY


Hey, he may enjoy that kind of thing. Creepy people tend to enjoy such vices.
 
2012-11-24 05:36:33 PM  
Okay, so let's see: the Republicans have three factions fighting amongst each other, two of which want the fascists/social conservatives to take the blame. Then we have assholes like Grover Norquist fighting to keep their own grip on power with their shiatty planning and lobbyist jobs, and the pundit class like Limbaugh that control the message trying to save their own ass.

We're in a Berlin Wall like situation here. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, and it's going to happen pretty soon. I don't see the Republicans making it to 2014 without some severe problems they don't have the maturity or intelligence to fix.
 
2012-11-24 05:37:26 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

Sounds alot like religion, no?


It's appropriate since the GOP is behaving more like an apocalypse cult than a political party.
 
2012-11-24 05:39:15 PM  

whistleridge: "Even more than getting more revenues, (Democrats) want Republican fingerprints on tax increases so they can smash Republicans in the next series of elections."

No you blithering farkwad, they want to fix our broken finances. But your side is so caught up in the looting and pillaging that they just can't understand that. But the voters do. This past election showed that. And the coming election will show it even more.

You don't get it, do you? Here's what's going to happen:

1. You and your ilk are going to up the derp to 11.
2. Obama is going to say 'fine by me. No deal then' and go play golf.
3. Jan 1 will happen. And he will get the revenue increases he wanted anyway.
4. And YOU will get killed in the next election, not the Democrats.

Remember 1998? Remember how you were just sure your impeaching of Clinton was going to win you all the things? Remember how bad it backfired? Voters can be dumb, but they're not that dumb. They know who is at fault here, and they know what the country needs.

These next two years are going to be derpy, but beautiful. I love watching hated idiots commit suicide publicly. It brings a warm glow to my heart.


Wrong! They have no interest in fixing this country. The only thing either side is interested in, is getting reelected. You know full well that as soon as a republican "caves", they will beat them to death with it in the next election. For lying, being a flip-flopper, not being able to keep their word, etc. Step out of your echo chamber and admit you are being disingenuous.
 
2012-11-24 05:40:06 PM  

BronyMedic: It's...it's beautiful.


That's...wow. I love that so much.
 
2012-11-24 05:44:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Norquist admits that a few politicians who signed his pledge are now having "impure thoughts"

I have an impure thought, and it involves Grover and a large horny grizzly bear.


.."Admit it--you're not coming out here just to hunt, are you?" asked the bear.
 
2012-11-24 05:46:15 PM  
IIRC, the endgame behind the whole "starve the beast and create a crisis" tactic is the eradication of Social Security and Medicare.

Those two programs have been a thorn in the side of ideological conservative because:

1. They are government programs designed solely to help the entire population
2. They work
3. They are well liked

The above facts demolish the core argument of conservatism, i.e., government doesn't work. It is no surprise that conservatives have been attempting to privatize both of them. Thankfully, those efforts have all failed thus far.

By refusing to be fiscally responsible via lowering taxes and increasing government spending, the GOP has helped to balloon the deficit and our national debt. They now have their crisis, but the population not only wants to preserve SS and Medicare, they understand that in addition to budget cuts, revenues need to be raised in order to not only prevent a default on our debt, but in order to also ensure the viability of our entitlement programs.

By agreeing to sequestration the GOP has now painted itself into a corner where taxes will go up no matter what happens. They cannot win politically on this one. Obama played the long game better and we are about to see six weeks worth of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of the teeth from the GOP.

No matter the outcome, the deficit will be reduced and the Republican Party won't be able to claim any credit for doing so.

I'm beyond saying "It's a shame that they aren't fiscally responsible" and I've moved into "I can't wait to see these ass-hats suffer the repurcusions of putting party and ideology over country for the last 30 years."

/grabs six weeks worth of popcorn
 
2012-11-24 05:47:08 PM  

TV's Vinnie: dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave.

I want to dig open Grover's grave, AND piss into his mouth.

Oh, such a glorious day that will be.


How pleasant you liberals are when folks don't agree with you. farking hypocrites.
 
2012-11-24 05:52:36 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: It was only the GOP's lack of will that prevented them from triumphing


ISWYDT
 
2012-11-24 05:56:29 PM  
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2012-11-24 05:58:19 PM  

The Troof hurts: TV's Vinnie: dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave.

I want to dig open Grover's grave, AND piss into his mouth.

Oh, such a glorious day that will be.

How pleasant you liberals are when folks don't agree with you. farking hypocrites.


Disagreeing is fine. Being a petulant child in an adult's body who demands fealty and ideological purity from elected officials that are supposed to represent their constituents is something else entirely. A "pledge" that entirely eliminates any possibility of compromise whatsoever is not disagreeing, it is sitting in a corner holding your breath until you turn blue and it is exactly why the US credit rating was downgraded last year and why we are facing the fiscal cliff today. Grover Norquist is not pleasant in any sense, so why should anyone be pleasant to, or about, him?

Oh, and take a stroll through FreeRepublic once in a while before you go calling anyone a hypocrite about being a big 'ol meanie.
 
2012-11-24 06:02:40 PM  

whistleridge: Zeb Hesselgresser: whistleridge
These next four years are going to be politically beautiful, and not nearly as economically harmful as the doomday brigade would have you believe.


I truly hope so, but I'd like to see, if not statistical evidence, at least somebody writing about outside of here.

I don't see or hear optimism from the people my Co does business with, it's doom and gloom everywhere, and no they are not all idiots. Even the broke people I know are bracing for more broke with a little govt. help, but no opportunity. We'll see, I'd love send you $10 from a flush account in 4 years after casting my next Presidential ballot for Rahm.
 
2012-11-24 06:11:10 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Mangoose: We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american. Or you could pay 40% of your taxes and get the full package. Healthcare, legal representation, free speech and a mint on your pillow delivered by supermodel. Also having a mint put on your pillow by a supermodel should be an inalienable right of the free peoples of the world.

Also the percentage paid for full citizenship should vary by bracket.

This.

And we should be able to drive as fast as we want... always.


And dump waste from industrial processes wherever we want.... for job creation, of course.
 
2012-11-24 06:12:26 PM  
The Dow will get ever higher, but we have clearly offshored our future. The only reason unemployment (U3) is under 8% now is because so many people have shifted up to U4,5, or 6. The problem is that we aren't creating wealth - we are borrowing it. The notion that a nation can exist almost solely as a service economy is just insanity. Farming, mining, and manufacturing are necessary to a healthy economy and the greedy 1% are enjoying the fatter margins provided by offshoring, but this undermines everything.

So...what you're saying is, you actually agree with what I said, you just don't like it? Got it.

Wrong! They have no interest in fixing this country. The only thing either side is interested in, is getting reelected. You know full well that as soon as a republican "caves", they will beat them to death with it in the next election. For lying, being a flip-flopper, not being able to keep their word, etc. Step out of your echo chamber and admit you are being disingenuous.

As was said above: if you're going to get crucified for signing and adhering to stupid pledges, maybe just maybe you shouldn't be signing stupid pledges.

That the left will take great pleasure in watching the right self-destruct as they fix our finances in no way alters the fact that fixing them is their first priority. They walked the walk under Clinton, and they're doing it now. The right, OTOH, drove up the deficit under 3 consecutive Presidents.
 
2012-11-24 06:15:15 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: whistleridge: Zeb Hesselgresser: whistleridge
These next four years are going to be politically beautiful, and not nearly as economically harmful as the doomday brigade would have you believe.

I truly hope so, but I'd like to see, if not statistical evidence, at least somebody writing about outside of here.

I don't see or hear optimism from the people my Co does business with, it's doom and gloom everywhere, and no they are not all idiots. Even the broke people I know are bracing for more broke with a little govt. help, but no opportunity. We'll see, I'd love send you $10 from a flush account in 4 years after casting my next Presidential ballot for Rahm.


Since you apparently didn't bother to read the link I cited or pay any attention during the election, let's try again:

Go Google "12 million jobs created no matter who wins" and see what pops up. I'll wait.
 
2012-11-24 06:16:56 PM  

The Troof hurts: TV's Vinnie: dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave.

I want to dig open Grover's grave, AND piss into his mouth.

Oh, such a glorious day that will be.

How pleasant you liberals are when folks don't agree with you. farking hypocrites.


Get back to me when liberal politicians publicly question a President's patriotism, religion and birthplace.

Until then, grow a pair.
 
2012-11-24 06:28:05 PM  

theknuckler_33: The Troof hurts: TV's Vinnie: dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave.

I want to dig open Grover's grave, AND piss into his mouth.

Oh, such a glorious day that will be.

How pleasant you liberals are when folks don't agree with you. farking hypocrites.

Disagreeing is fine. Being a petulant child in an adult's body who demands fealty and ideological purity from elected officials that are supposed to represent their constituents is something else entirely. A "pledge" that entirely eliminates any possibility of compromise whatsoever is not disagreeing, it is sitting in a corner holding your breath until you turn blue and it is exactly why the US credit rating was downgraded last year and why we are facing the fiscal cliff today. Grover Norquist is not pleasant in any sense, so why should anyone be pleasant to, or about, him?

Oh, and take a stroll through FreeRepublic once in a while before you go calling anyone a hypocrite about being a big 'ol meanie.


Maybe improve the discourse by taking the high road? Also, I have no interest in what the freepers have to say. I don't want pledges, promises, or feelings, I just want it fixed. Everything else is noise that doesnt help anything.
 
2012-11-24 06:31:30 PM  

Weaver95: Darth_Lukecash: Weaver95: "For 20 years Democrats have tried over and over to trick Republicans into breaking the pledge. It hasn't happened. This isn't my first rodeo," Norquist told the Journal.

"we are going to win this fight" Norquist continued, "The Lord of Murder demands it. On a throne of Brass atop a mountain of skulls He watches our progress. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow. Know also that our skulls too are welcome atop that mountain."

Blood for The Blood God!

Norquest is the polite and well mannered follower of Khorne.


Kinder and gentler Khomite?
 
2012-11-24 06:33:51 PM  

The Troof hurts:
How pleasant you liberals are when folks don't agree with you. farking hypocrites.


most people outside of the GOP don't like Grover Norquist very much. they see him as unrealistic at best or downright evil at worst. what's more, he really does seem to believe in his idiotic crusade. never mind how much damage it would do or the chaos it would cause...he's got his issue and he's not going to stop until everyone does what he wants.
 
2012-11-24 06:35:03 PM  

The Troof hurts: TV's Vinnie: dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave.

I want to dig open Grover's grave, AND piss into his mouth.

Oh, such a glorious day that will be.

How pleasant you liberals are when folks don't agree with you. farking hypocrites.


It's not so much disagree with him, it's disagreeing with a philosophy that has failed (trickle-down economics) and hating the idea of someone with a strong influence on Republicans in Congress continuing to push that philosophy. I definitely won't piss on his grave, but I'll be happy when that philosophy is laid to rest.
 
2012-11-24 06:35:37 PM  

The Troof hurts: Maybe improve the discourse by taking the high road?


by calling people farking hypocrites.

"high road" does not mean what you think it means
 
2012-11-24 06:36:17 PM  

whistleridge: Zeb Hesselgresser: whistleridge: Zeb Hesselgresser: whistleridge
These next four years are going to be politically beautiful, and not nearly as economically harmful as the doomday brigade would have you believe.

I truly hope so, but I'd like to see, if not statistical evidence, at least somebody writing about outside of here.

I don't see or hear optimism from the people my Co does business with, it's doom and gloom everywhere, and no they are not all idiots. Even the broke people I know are bracing for more broke with a little govt. help, but no opportunity. We'll see, I'd love send you $10 from a flush account in 4 years after casting my next Presidential ballot for Rahm.

Since you apparently didn't bother to read the link I cited or pay any attention during the election, let's try again:

Go Google "12 million jobs created no matter who wins" and see what pops up. I'll wait.


ok, it reminded me of Jeff Goldbloom's little speech in Jurassic Park, "The economy (LIFE) finds a way")
and I believe that. A recovery was/is inevitable. But will it be sustainable enough to help? I worry more about the 20 year projections, a rebound bounce of the floor won't change those.
 
2012-11-24 06:36:29 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Troof hurts: Maybe improve the discourse by taking the high road?

by calling people farking hypocrites.

"high road" does not mean what you think it means


in the end, there can be only one?
 
2012-11-24 06:39:05 PM  

HighOnCraic:
It's not so much disagree with him, it's disagreeing with a philosophy that has failed (trickle-down economics) and hating the idea of someone with a strong influence on Republicans in Congress continuing to push that philosophy. I definitely won't piss on his grave, but I'll be happy when that philosophy is laid to rest.


the GOP failed on damn near all fronts this past election....the country rejected their ideology and social policies while putting Obama back into an office by a landslide vote. watching the Republican response has been informative indeed.
 
2012-11-24 06:39:26 PM  
Yes, liberals want to "trick" Republicans into raising taxes, or as I call it, "convince by talking to them like responsible adults".
 
2012-11-24 06:44:22 PM  

Weaver95: HighOnCraic:
It's not so much disagree with him, it's disagreeing with a philosophy that has failed (trickle-down economics) and hating the idea of someone with a strong influence on Republicans in Congress continuing to push that philosophy. I definitely won't piss on his grave, but I'll be happy when that philosophy is laid to rest.

the GOP failed on damn near all fronts this past election....the country rejected their ideology and social policies while putting Obama back into an office by a landslide vote. watching the Republican response has been informative indeed.


it was a like watching a long episode of Intervention, the country NO: WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
 
2012-11-24 06:48:14 PM  

Evil High Priest: Weaver95: Darth_Lukecash: Weaver95: "For 20 years Democrats have tried over and over to trick Republicans into breaking the pledge. It hasn't happened. This isn't my first rodeo," Norquist told the Journal.

"we are going to win this fight" Norquist continued, "The Lord of Murder demands it. On a throne of Brass atop a mountain of skulls He watches our progress. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow. Know also that our skulls too are welcome atop that mountain."

Blood for The Blood God!

Norquest is the polite and well mannered follower of Khorne.

Kinder and gentler Khomite?


I think he's more of a follower of Tzeentch. Grand plans that seem to have catastrophic consequences, but don't have an overall goal. They're just there to fark with people.
 
2012-11-24 06:48:52 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Troof hurts: Maybe improve the discourse by taking the high road?

by calling people farking hypocrites.

"high road" does not mean what you think it means


Ha. Guilty. That "pissing on folk's grave" statement gets to me.
 
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