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2012-11-24 11:52:05 AM  
"Even more than getting more revenues, (Democrats) want Republican fingerprints on tax increases so they can smash Republicans in the next series of elections."

No you blithering farkwad, they want to fix our broken finances. But your side is so caught up in the looting and pillaging that they just can't understand that. But the voters do. This past election showed that. And the coming election will show it even more.

You don't get it, do you? Here's what's going to happen:

1. You and your ilk are going to up the derp to 11.
2. Obama is going to say 'fine by me. No deal then' and go play golf.
3. Jan 1 will happen. And he will get the revenue increases he wanted anyway.
4. And YOU will get killed in the next election, not the Democrats.

Remember 1998? Remember how you were just sure your impeaching of Clinton was going to win you all the things? Remember how bad it backfired? Voters can be dumb, but they're not that dumb. They know who is at fault here, and they know what the country needs.

These next two years are going to be derpy, but beautiful. I love watching hated idiots commit suicide publicly. It brings a warm glow to my heart.
 
2012-11-24 11:56:12 AM  
I wish that guy would drown in a bathtub already.
 
2012-11-24 11:57:10 AM  
There's at least a Senator each from Indiana, Nevada, Missouri and Delaware who hope Republicans double down on their crazy and Tea Party primary out some Republicans willing to be rational and make the compromises one must in order to keep our system of government working.

This guys childhood idea is not the only thing childish about him. I expect at any moment for him to start throwing a temper tantrum.

The US system of government only works with compromise. What you end up with through that process is weeding out the extremist parts of any ideology and with something more reasonable, practical, and rational somewhere in the middle. Sure, it might not be the most efficient or effective outcome, but it also keeps us from swinging into something closer to One Pure Ideology or another. We are not a One Party State. No one gets everything they want. However, modern Republicans in their fantasy world they have constructed in their echo chamber think the US should be a One Party, far right wing, Republican State no matter how many elections they lose. They throw these childish fits of "our way or no way" and start putting pure ideology over facts, reason, logic, and the actual good of the country. It needs to stop, and it needs to stop now.
 
2012-11-24 12:00:51 PM  
The business community frowns on your shenanigans.

It's over, Grover. You lost.
 
2012-11-24 12:02:57 PM  
The Surgeon General needs to issue a public warning against echo chambers.
 
2012-11-24 12:04:09 PM  
I really hope nothing gets done by 12/31. Let's all go off the cliff together. Then we will have a new congress sworn in 1/21. They will not be reading the farking constitution this time around. They will be falling all over themselves to get tax relief for middle class americans and the top tax rates will not even be on the table. They will be falling all over themselves to get medicare and SS cuts restored because the old white base that elects the dickbag house republicans are going to feel the pain. Being their old obstructionist selves is not going to work. They do not understand that they are in a position where tehy have to get something done. Doing nothing is only going to piss off the base and worse it's going to piss off the corporate and military contracting supporters. All the pressure will be on house republicans to get something to the senate that Harry Reid will actually bring to the floor.

It's going to be fun watching teabaggers realize they have zero bargaining power on this.
 
2012-11-24 12:29:51 PM  
Norquist admits that a few politicians who signed his pledge are now having "impure thoughts"

I have an impure thought, and it involves Grover and a large horny grizzly bear.
 
2012-11-24 12:32:09 PM  
Pledging loyalty to this immature windbag above your Constitutional oath should be grounds for immediate dismissal from Congress

/and charges of treason
 
2012-11-24 12:39:50 PM  
"For 20 years Democrats have tried over and over to trick Republicans into breaking the pledge. It hasn't happened. This isn't my first rodeo," Norquist told the Journal.

"we are going to win this fight" Norquist continued, "The Lord of Murder demands it. On a throne of Brass atop a mountain of skulls He watches our progress. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow. Know also that our skulls too are welcome atop that mountain."
 
2012-11-24 12:44:55 PM  
The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.
 
2012-11-24 12:46:49 PM  
We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american. Or you could pay 40% of your taxes and get the full package. Healthcare, legal representation, free speech and a mint on your pillow delivered by supermodel. Also having a mint put on your pillow by a supermodel should be an inalienable right of the free peoples of the world.

Also the percentage paid for full citizenship should vary by bracket.
 
2012-11-24 12:47:10 PM  

GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.


...and then accuse the Democrats of being obstinate and blame everything on them. Never accept responsibility - that's for the other guy!
 
2012-11-24 12:49:15 PM  

Mangoose: We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american. Or you could pay 40% of your taxes and get the full package. Healthcare, legal representation, free speech and a mint on your pillow delivered by supermodel. Also having a mint put on your pillow by a supermodel should be an inalienable right of the free peoples of the world.

Also the percentage paid for full citizenship should vary by bracket.


I think the GOP wants to flip that around - the 2% pay almost no taxes but get all the protections expressed in the bill of rights, while the rest of us get only the justice we can afford. so we get to choose between feeding our families and having 1st amendment rights. Or we could pick health care but no 4th amendment protections. i'm sure they'll hold a coupon day for the 2nd amendment tho.
 
2012-11-24 12:55:41 PM  

Mangoose: We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american.



Onion did it.
 
2012-11-24 12:57:18 PM  

GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.


This group is no longer conservative. They are reactionary.
 
2012-11-24 12:59:44 PM  

Weaver95: Mangoose: We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american. Or you could pay 40% of your taxes and get the full package. Healthcare, legal representation, free speech and a mint on your pillow delivered by supermodel. Also having a mint put on your pillow by a supermodel should be an inalienable right of the free peoples of the world.

Also the percentage paid for full citizenship should vary by bracket.

I think the GOP wants to flip that around - the 2% pay almost no taxes but get all the protections expressed in the bill of rights, while the rest of us get only the justice we can afford. so we get to choose between feeding our families and having 1st amendment rights. Or we could pick health care but no 4th amendment protections. i'm sure they'll hold a coupon day for the 2nd amendment tho.


The GOP absolutely wants to turn this around.

"If you don't pay taxes or are aren't a veteran, you don't get a vote" is a common conservative theme these days. But *I* say, "why stop there?" Why not go back to the Founders' original intent, and restrict the vote solely to white males who own land or have a certain net wealth? Then our country would surely be better run!

Oh, and don't worry...it wouldn't be racist. Each black person would get 3/5ths of a vote, that would be cast on their behalf by the nearest wealthy white person. Which they would probably be fine with anyway, since getting out of the ghetto to vote is such a hassle, and none of them have ID anyway, right?
 
2012-11-24 01:04:55 PM  

GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.


Sounds alot like religion, no?
 
2012-11-24 01:07:39 PM  

WorldCitizen: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

This group is no longer conservative. They are reactionary.


it's interesting watching the various/sundry GOP factions try to assimilate the fact that not only did Obama get re-elected, but that he got re-elected with a clear mandate, as did the Democratic party as a whole. the Republicans firmly believed that THEY were the majority party, that THEIR vision was the true and correct one for the nation and that Obama and the Democrats were going to go down in flames. none of these guys believed they were going to lose. when they failed, it rocked their worlds in ways people not in the echo chamber can really appreciate.

i'm not convinced the Republicans have made up their minds as to the root cause(s) of their defeat. they're still in the 'shock and denial' phase...but as they come out of that, i'm expecting fear/anger and conspiracy to be the Weenerss followed by the elite inner circle sacrificing someone as a scapegoat. the real decisions about what's going to happen next for the GOP aren't going to be hammered out in the press, or via discussion with the rank and file. it'll be behind closed doors and a shadowy group of money men, evangelicals and party officials will come up with the next best plan for the GOP recovery.

we should have an early indication as to which direction the Republicans are going to go when they nominate their human sacrifice. it's gotta be someone believable and at least moderately well known. Romney, perhaps. or maybe one or two of their GOP pundits. Limbaugh is a good candidate, since he's costing them money rather than making it...but Beck or Hannity would do just as well. it's also possible they may blame Romney's campaign manager but that's somewhat risky, since he took his orders directly from Romney. my personal view is that the GOP elites will most likely blame one or two of their own pundits...but I could be wrong about that..
 
2012-11-24 01:09:09 PM  
damn you fark...damn you.....
 
2012-11-24 01:09:25 PM  

WorldCitizen: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

This group is no longer conservative. They are reactionary.


Variants of the same thing. Conservatives are reactionary. It's inherent in the philosophy of never embracing the new and always pretending things used to be better. That's conservatism.

Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

Sounds alot like religion, no?


Norquist has established a religion, and he's captivated as many fools. No reason that should be surprising, millions of fools go to church every week. That he captured supposedly intelligent conservatives and completely drained all the brainpower the right once had is more impressive. Admittedly the brainpower was never all that great to begin with, but still. After all, you don't need to be some kind of genius to say "Let's make everything smaller."
 
2012-11-24 01:17:42 PM  

GAT_00: WorldCitizen: GAT_00: Variants of the same thing. Conservatives are reactionary. It's inherent in the philosophy of never embracing the new and always pretending things used to be better. That's conservatism.


Not to be That Guy, but they're not the same thing. A conservative wants to keep things as they are, or at most change only slowly. A reactionary wants to actively undo what has been done, and revert to a previous order.

Lenin was a radical: he wanted to completely overthrow the system.
FDR and Johnson were liberals: they wanted to greatly improve the system via progressive changes.
Reagan and Thatcher were conservatives: they wanted to retard change, maintain the status quo, and remove the mechanisms for enabling the changes currently under way.
Metternich was a reactionary: he threw out the whole French Revolution and put the ancien regime back in place, wholesale.

Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

Sounds alot like religion, no?

Norquist has established a religion, and he's captivated as many fools. No reason that should be surprising, millions of fools go to church every week. That he captured supposedly intelligent conservatives and completely drained all the brainpower the right once had is more impressive. Admittedly the brainpower was never all that great to begin with, but still. After all, you don't need to be some kind of genius to say "Let's make everything smaller."


Agreed. Norquist is less about being conservative than he is about selling strict adherence to the doctrine that he's promoting. That's not policy, that's dogma.
 
2012-11-24 01:23:06 PM  

whistleridge: You don't get it, do you? Here's what's going to happen:

1. You and your ilk are going to up the derp to 11.
2. Obama is going to say 'fine by me. No deal then' and go play golf.
3. Jan 1 will happen. And he will get the revenue increases he wanted anyway.
4. And YOU will get killed in the next election, not the Democrats.



THIS...the GOP will have to explain to 98% of the country why they let their taxes go up in an effort to protect a tiny minority of people who have been doing just fine (or better) during the recession - whose taxes also went up.

"We were so committed to protecting the most privileged, that we preferred to stick it to everyone to make a point"

That's a hell of a campaign slogan for 2014 and beyond.

Telling Grover to fark off is by far the most sensible route. Then again, "sensible" and "Republican" aren't the best of friends.
 
2012-11-24 01:27:19 PM  

Mangoose: We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american. Or you could pay 40% of your taxes and get the full package. Healthcare, legal representation, free speech and a mint on your pillow delivered by supermodel. Also having a mint put on your pillow by a supermodel should be an inalienable right of the free peoples of the world.

Also the percentage paid for full citizenship should vary by bracket.


This.

And we should be able to drive as fast as we want... always.
 
2012-11-24 01:37:26 PM  
I will piss on Grover's grave.
 
2012-11-24 01:40:12 PM  

dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave.


I want Grover Norquist to live a long, healthy life in a country that's completely rejected his philosophy.
 
2012-11-24 01:41:28 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: whistleridge: You don't get it, do you? Here's what's going to happen:

1. You and your ilk are going to up the derp to 11.
2. Obama is going to say 'fine by me. No deal then' and go play golf.
3. Jan 1 will happen. And he will get the revenue increases he wanted anyway.
4. And YOU will get killed in the next election, not the Democrats.


THIS...the GOP will have to explain to 98% of the country why they let their taxes go up in an effort to protect a tiny minority of people who have been doing just fine (or better) during the recession - whose taxes also went up.

"We were so committed to protecting the most privileged, that we preferred to stick it to everyone to make a point"

That's a hell of a campaign slogan for 2014 and beyond.

Telling Grover to fark off is by far the most sensible route. Then again, "sensible" and "Republican" aren't the best of friends.


Yes, but Republican voters are very stupid, and will use any excuse to blame Obama that they hear.
 
2012-11-24 01:46:45 PM  

whistleridge: GAT_00: WorldCitizen: GAT_00: Variants of the same thing. Conservatives are reactionary. It's inherent in the philosophy of never embracing the new and always pretending things used to be better. That's conservatism.

Not to be That Guy, but they're not the same thing. A conservative wants to keep things as they are, or at most change only slowly. A reactionary wants to actively undo what has been done, and revert to a previous order.

Lenin was a radical: he wanted to completely overthrow the system.
FDR and Johnson were liberals: they wanted to greatly improve the system via progressive changes.
Reagan and Thatcher were conservatives: they wanted to retard change, maintain the status quo, and remove the mechanisms for enabling the changes currently under way.
Metternich was a reactionary: he threw out the whole French Revolution and put the ancien regime back in place, wholesale.

Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

Sounds alot like religion, no?

Norquist has established a religion, and he's captivated as many fools. No reason that should be surprising, millions of fools go to church every week. That he captured supposedly intelligent conservatives and completely drained all the brainpower the right once had is more impressive. Admittedly the brainpower was never all that great to begin with, but still. After all, you don't need to be some kind of genius to say "Let's make everything smaller."

Agreed. Norquist is less about being conservative than he is about selling strict adherence to the doctrine that he's promoting. That's not policy, that's dogma.


I think you're drawing far too fine of a line between Reagan and Metternich. Those two are very nearly the same, Reagan was trying to reinstall an old system. Just because he failed doesn't mean he wasn't a reactionary.

Reactionaries are merely a subset of conservatives.
 
2012-11-24 01:50:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Norquist admits that a few politicians who signed his pledge are now having "impure thoughts"

I have an impure thought, and it involves Grover and a large horny grizzly bear.


Suddenly, Norquist realizes that he isn't the Limbaugh, Beck, or Cheney of the Republican Party. He knows that he underestimated his power. Time to double down with a tempertantrum.
 
2012-11-24 01:56:28 PM  

Weaver95: "For 20 years Democrats have tried over and over to trick Republicans into breaking the pledge. It hasn't happened. This isn't my first rodeo," Norquist told the Journal.

"we are going to win this fight" Norquist continued, "The Lord of Murder demands it. On a throne of Brass atop a mountain of skulls He watches our progress. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow. Know also that our skulls too are welcome atop that mountain."


Blood for The Blood God!
 
2012-11-24 01:57:39 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yes, but Republican voters are very stupid, and will use any excuse to blame Obama that they hear.


Very true, but when they're choosing a Congressman and/or Senator, a great many of them will be more interested in the candidates' stand on this issue than whether they belong to the party of the guy who can't be reelected.
 
2012-11-24 01:58:50 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

Sounds alot like religion, no?


Every religion has a version of the golden rule. So no.
 
2012-11-24 02:02:55 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Benevolent Misanthrope: GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

Sounds alot like religion, no?

Every religion has a version of the golden rule. So no.


Cut taxes for others so they will cut taxes for you.
 
2012-11-24 02:05:10 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Weaver95: "For 20 years Democrats have tried over and over to trick Republicans into breaking the pledge. It hasn't happened. This isn't my first rodeo," Norquist told the Journal.

"we are going to win this fight" Norquist continued, "The Lord of Murder demands it. On a throne of Brass atop a mountain of skulls He watches our progress. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow. Know also that our skulls too are welcome atop that mountain."

Blood for The Blood God!


Norquest is the polite and well mannered follower of Khorne.
 
2012-11-24 02:08:47 PM  

dudemanbro: I will piss on Grover's grave face.


FIFY
 
2012-11-24 02:10:15 PM  

Weaver95: i'm expecting fear/anger and conspiracy to be the Weenerss followed by the elite inner circle sacrificing someone as a scapegoat.


This would be a "rational" decision. They will never do this. It would require admitting that a mistake was made. Rove/Newt/Limbo/Grover/Palin/Bachmann? Not a chance in hell. These are the spiritual leaders, they can't kill their prophets. Rmoney/Bush? Sure, they have no value to the party anymore, but sacrificing them accomplishes nothing.

In order to fix any of the problems, they would need to get rid of the people who "let" them be so blind to the defeat in the first place. Broken primary system, broken polling system. Without fixing those problems, they will continue to be shocked and surprised!!

TBH, all they need to do is follow 538 and they dont even need to do their own polling.
 
2012-11-24 02:10:59 PM  
Watching this morally bankrupt subhuman's disgusting ideology die a public death is going to be beautiful.

We can only hope he does the decent thing and self-immolates.
 
2012-11-24 02:18:09 PM  

GAT_00:
I think you're drawing far too fine of a line between Reagan and Metternich. Those two are very nearly the same, Reagan was trying to reinstall an old system. Just because he failed doesn't mean he wasn't a reactionary.

Reactionaries are merely a subset of conservatives.


I can see how you would say that. But I would argue that Reagan himself was relatively moderate - in fact, according to today's spectrum he would be solidly in the Democratic fold. It was the whole slew of people riding in on his coattails like William F. Buckley who were more conservative and even reactionary. Especially those who were basically trying to undo the Civil Rights Act, social security, and Johnson's Great Society. I would say Reagan didn't actually try to undo those things.

I hate to sound pedantic, but I think saying reactionaries are a subset of conservatives is like saying Nazis are a subset of socialists: yes, they look a lot alike on the surface, but the differences are real, substantive, and irreconcilable.
 
2012-11-24 02:19:05 PM  

namatad: Weaver95: i'm expecting fear/anger and conspiracy to be the Weenerss followed by the elite inner circle sacrificing someone as a scapegoat.

This would be a "rational" decision. They will never do this. It would require admitting that a mistake was made. Rove/Newt/Limbo/Grover/Palin/Bachmann? Not a chance in hell. These are the spiritual leaders, they can't kill their prophets. Rmoney/Bush? Sure, they have no value to the party anymore, but sacrificing them accomplishes nothing.

In order to fix any of the problems, they would need to get rid of the people who "let" them be so blind to the defeat in the first place. Broken primary system, broken polling system. Without fixing those problems, they will continue to be shocked and surprised!!

TBH, all they need to do is follow 538 and they dont even need to do their own polling.


yeah, but the GOP has to know something went wrong. it's the sort of thing they can't ignore no matter how much they try. they HAVE to accept Romney lost...which means someone has to be blamed for that loss.
 
2012-11-24 02:19:51 PM  

Tigger: Watching this morally bankrupt subhuman's disgusting ideology die a public death is going to be beautiful.

We can only hope he does the decent thing and self-immolates.


Why? He's not going away. Saxby Chambliss will blown out in his next primary, assuming he doesn't decide to "retire" before that. You notice nobody has followed him.

The GOP will remain resolutely anti-tax. Conservatives are not abandoning the anti-tax mantra.
 
2012-11-24 02:24:34 PM  

whistleridge: GAT_00:
I think you're drawing far too fine of a line between Reagan and Metternich. Those two are very nearly the same, Reagan was trying to reinstall an old system. Just because he failed doesn't mean he wasn't a reactionary.

Reactionaries are merely a subset of conservatives.

I can see how you would say that. But I would argue that Reagan himself was relatively moderate - in fact, according to today's spectrum he would be solidly in the Democratic fold. It was the whole slew of people riding in on his coattails like William F. Buckley who were more conservative and even reactionary. Especially those who were basically trying to undo the Civil Rights Act, social security, and Johnson's Great Society. I would say Reagan didn't actually try to undo those things.

I hate to sound pedantic, but I think saying reactionaries are a subset of conservatives is like saying Nazis are a subset of socialists: yes, they look a lot alike on the surface, but the differences are real, substantive, and irreconcilable.


And you completely lost my attention with the Nazi/Socialist thing. Just because the word is in their name doesn't mean they are. See also the relationship between the words "People's," "Democratic," and "Republic" as compared with how free the country is. The more of those in the name, the closer it is to a dictatorship.
 
2012-11-24 02:24:52 PM  

whistleridge: "Even more than getting more revenues, (Democrats) want Republican fingerprints on tax increases so they can smash Republicans in the next series of elections."

No you blithering farkwad, they want to fix our broken finances. But your side is so caught up in the looting and pillaging that they just can't understand that. But the voters do. This past election showed that. And the coming election will show it even more.

You don't get it, do you? Here's what's going to happen:

1. You and your ilk are going to up the derp to 11.
2. Obama is going to say 'fine by me. No deal then' and go play golf.
3. Jan 1 will happen. And he will get the revenue increases he wanted anyway.
4. And YOU will get killed in the next election, not the Democrats.

Remember 1998? Remember how you were just sure your impeaching of Clinton was going to win you all the things? Remember how bad it backfired? Voters can be dumb, but they're not that dumb. They know who is at fault here, and they know what the country needs.

These next two years are going to be derpy, but beautiful. I love watching hated idiots commit suicide publicly. It brings a warm glow to my heart.


It's...it's beautiful.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-24 02:25:09 PM  

Weaver95: yeah, but the GOP has to know something went wrong. it's the sort of thing they can't ignore no matter how much they try. they HAVE to accept Romney lost...which means someone has to be blamed for that loss.


Probably the saddest part of this statement is "that someone has to be blamed."
I agree that this is exactly what the GOP will do. Blame someone.
But most adults and many children learn very early in life, sometimes you have to blame yourself.
Be responsible for your own bad choices.

If there is one thing which properly defines the GOP it is that they are unable to do this.
 
2012-11-24 02:28:37 PM  

GAT_00: whistleridge: GAT_00:
I think you're drawing far too fine of a line between Reagan and Metternich. Those two are very nearly the same, Reagan was trying to reinstall an old system. Just because he failed doesn't mean he wasn't a reactionary.

Reactionaries are merely a subset of conservatives.

I can see how you would say that. But I would argue that Reagan himself was relatively moderate - in fact, according to today's spectrum he would be solidly in the Democratic fold. It was the whole slew of people riding in on his coattails like William F. Buckley who were more conservative and even reactionary. Especially those who were basically trying to undo the Civil Rights Act, social security, and Johnson's Great Society. I would say Reagan didn't actually try to undo those things.

I hate to sound pedantic, but I think saying reactionaries are a subset of conservatives is like saying Nazis are a subset of socialists: yes, they look a lot alike on the surface, but the differences are real, substantive, and irreconcilable.

And you completely lost my attention with the Nazi/Socialist thing. Just because the word is in their name doesn't mean they are. See also the relationship between the words "People's," "Democratic," and "Republic" as compared with how free the country is. The more of those in the name, the closer it is to a dictatorship.


That was my point :p

Just because a lot of reactionaries call themselves conservatives and even think of themselves as conservatives doesn't mean they are conservatives. Obama's not a liberal. He's a center-right moderate. Norquist isn't a conservative. He's a piece of shiat racist reactionary. A conservative would someone more like Olympia Snowe.
 
2012-11-24 02:29:55 PM  
I hope I see the day when this asshole swings from a crane on the national mall. He is essentially wrecking my country during the prime of my life.
 
2012-11-24 02:30:27 PM  

namatad: Weaver95: yeah, but the GOP has to know something went wrong. it's the sort of thing they can't ignore no matter how much they try. they HAVE to accept Romney lost...which means someone has to be blamed for that loss.

Probably the saddest part of this statement is "that someone has to be blamed."
I agree that this is exactly what the GOP will do. Blame someone.
But most adults and many children learn very early in life, sometimes you have to blame yourself.
Be responsible for your own bad choices.

If there is one thing which properly defines the GOP it is that they are unable to do this.


Republicans are authoritarian. in authoritarian belief systems, if/when something goes wrong someone HAS to be at fault. you find out who's to blame and then you hurt them. the idea is that by hurting whomever is to blame that it will serve as an example to the others about the costs involved with failure. it motivates people to stay in line, work harder and not ask questions.

what's really weird is that authoritarian Republicans believe this will somehow enhance 'freedom'.
 
2012-11-24 02:32:40 PM  
In what farking universe is Saxby Chambliss a RINO?
 
2012-11-24 02:39:01 PM  
I love you subby. lmfao.
 
2012-11-24 02:39:05 PM  

MFAWG: In what farking universe is Saxby Chambliss a RINO?


You know who else is considered a RINO by the Tea Party?
 
2012-11-24 02:39:46 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: MFAWG: In what farking universe is Saxby Chambliss a RINO?

You know who else is considered a RINO by the Tea Party?


Grover Norquist?
 
2012-11-24 02:40:10 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: MFAWG: In what farking universe is Saxby Chambliss a RINO?

You know who else is considered a RINO by the Tea Party?


Anyone in the South with an IQ above 110?
 
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