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2012-11-24 08:11:15 AM  
I see no problem with this.
 
2012-11-24 08:19:05 AM  
You should maybe learn what a flu shot does, Subby. Then, you wouldn't look so damn ridiculous.
 
2012-11-24 08:39:42 AM  
but i don't want to be sterilized!
 
2012-11-24 08:40:42 AM  
They're health care workers. Health care workers are required to get certain vaccinations in order to protect the health of the patients (not to mention their own health). I see no issue with this, they're not the only ones that require it. And, according to other stories on this, they received termination notices stating that they had until Dec. 3rd to get their flu shot or they would actually lose their jobs. If I had an autoimmune disorder or was deathly ill to the point that a simple infection might kill me, I'd want to be damn sure the people taking care of me had vaccinations.
 
2012-11-24 08:44:22 AM  

vygramul: I see no problem with this.


My only issue would be whether the burden of paying for the shot fell on the employee.

My company offered flu shots, for one day, but the cost fell to the employee. It wasn't mandatory but participation did fall along the lines of those who had the means and those who did not.
 
2012-11-24 08:54:46 AM  

Bontesla: vygramul: I see no problem with this.

My only issue would be whether the burden of paying for the shot fell on the employee.

My company offered flu shots, for one day, but the cost fell to the employee. It wasn't mandatory but participation did fall along the lines of those who had the means and those who did not.


"Company offered the shots for free"
 
2012-11-24 09:04:38 AM  
Wow, they can get their jobs back after they get the flu shot.

Biggest nonstory ever.
 
2012-11-24 09:14:00 AM  

vygramul: Bontesla: vygramul: I see no problem with this.

My only issue would be whether the burden of paying for the shot fell on the employee.

My company offered flu shots, for one day, but the cost fell to the employee. It wasn't mandatory but participation did fall along the lines of those who had the means and those who did not.

"Company offered the shots for free"


Ah. I skimmed the article but didn't see that.
Thanks.
 
2012-11-24 10:38:49 AM  

vygramul: I see no problem with this.


Other than the "let's guess which strain to vaccinate for" lottery approach, I kind of agree.

What kind of company can dump 150 people? One with A) a lot of fat or B) one that will shortly implode.
 
2012-11-24 10:42:41 AM  
Know what I'd like to see? Better education on what influenza actually IS and does to a human body. We're so accustomed to saying, "Oh, I have the flu" when we're home with a mild fever and some sniffles or diarrhea, and that's not the flu. Not by a long shot. This is why people won't get the shot. They think, "I can handle having the flu for three days." Yeah. Whatever.
 
2012-11-24 10:59:05 AM  
I can garner no sympathy for them.

/you work with sick people
//protect yourself
///protect those you are helping
 
2012-11-24 11:04:09 AM  
Haha! Employers behaving like socialistic fascist dictator liebrals!
 
2012-11-24 11:11:08 AM  
Throwing in my lot with the "I don't see a problem with this" crew.
 
2012-11-24 11:21:06 AM  
The real irony is that after the vaccine turns them autistic they could just quit their jobs and count cards at the nearest casino until they win enough to retire.
 
2012-11-24 11:45:48 AM  
If they had a month to do it, and they were told they had to and still didn't, I see no problem with this. They didn't follow directions.
 
2012-11-24 11:51:37 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Throwing in my lot with the "I don't see a problem with this" crew.



This. Winced at the headline, then saw it was health care workers. Part of your damn job, folks.
 
2012-11-24 11:53:01 AM  
Considering these people work at a chokepoint for sick people, yeah, I'd want them to get immunized too.
 
2012-11-24 12:04:08 PM  

RexTalionis: Wow, they can get their jobs back after they get the flu shot.

Biggest nonstory ever.


They can appeal to be reinstated. It doesn't say that it's a sure thing. Other than that, yeah I agree this is a non-story. If you work in the medical industry, you need a flu shot (or you need a medical reason why you shouldn't get one).
 
2012-11-24 12:05:41 PM  

edmo: What kind of company can dump 150 people? One with A) a lot of fat or B) one that will shortly implode.


Sounded like a rather convenient excuse to get rid of 150 people to me. I'm shocked that more armchair MBAs on FARK didn't see that.

/have no problem with the vaccination requirement if you are dealing with patients.
 
2012-11-24 12:11:38 PM  

vygramul: I see no problem with this.


I also see no problem with this, as they were health professionals, had a month to do so, and can get their jobs back once they received their flu shot. Takes just a couple of minutes, doesn't hurt (hell, you'll be lucky to even notice the shot, never mind actually feel pain from it), and they're offered for free by their employer.
 
2012-11-24 12:14:47 PM  
I got a flu shot for the first time this year. I can almost guarantee that I'll get the flu this year now
 
2012-11-24 12:20:03 PM  
There is a major issue here with the requirement and as it is not covered in the article I shall point it out :

1. some people have allergies that prevent them from getting a flu shot.

2.some people ( like my self) react poorly to flu shots and get quite ill from them .

Neither should be forced to get a flue shot and i hope the company in question has an exemption policy to cover for both situations.

I agree with the immunizations save for people who work purely in administration and have zero contact with patients.
 
2012-11-24 12:20:32 PM  
I get sick every time I have the flu shot, and it knocked
me for a loop having to get the pneumonia shot as well.
Never get both at once...
 
2012-11-24 12:21:08 PM  

gingerjet: edmo: What kind of company can dump 150 people? One with A) a lot of fat or B) one that will shortly implode.

Sounded like a rather convenient excuse to get rid of 150 people to me. I'm shocked that more armchair MBAs on FARK didn't see that.

/have no problem with the vaccination requirement if you are dealing with patients.


Caretakers interact with non-caretakers and can pass along flu virus acquired from the latter.
 
2012-11-24 12:23:11 PM  
There is no evidence flu shots work.

The long term effects of the H1N1 are unknown.

If you get a polio vaccine, its good for your entire life. If you get a flu vaccine, its only good for 12 months.
 
2012-11-24 12:28:05 PM  

edmo: vygramul: I see no problem with this.

Other than the "let's guess which strain to vaccinate for" lottery approach, I kind of agree.

What kind of company can dump 150 people? One with A) a lot of fat or B) one that will shortly implode.


That is not how it's done. I worked for two years the diadgostics section for flu at CDC and there are many hours of work and analysis that go into the decision each year. Thousands of samples received in a given year are grown up then compared against twelve or so vaccine candidates. The vaccine candidates that three candidates that jointly offer the greatest coverage against strains projected to be circulating when the vaccine is release are chosen

Global circulation trends, strain prevalence, etc are all tracked and monitored across the globe to better model world circulation.

Lottery my ass
 
2012-11-24 12:28:25 PM  

grimlock1972: There is a major issue here with the requirement and as it is not covered in the article I shall point it out :

1. some people have allergies that prevent them from getting a flu shot.

2.some people ( like my self) react poorly to flu shots and get quite ill from them .


Neither should be forced to get a flue shot and i hope the company in question has an exemption policy to cover for both situations.

I agree with the immunizations save for people who work purely in administration and have zero contact with patients.


1. There are medical waivers.
2. Any illness for non allergic is not due to the shot, there is no live culture. Rather, you were either already about to get sick, or it is psychosomatic.
 
2012-11-24 12:28:37 PM  

HempHead: There is no evidence flu shots work.


Except the scientific evidence.

The long term effects of the H1N1 are unknown.

Neither are the long term effects of having an anvil dropped on your head.

If you get a polio vaccine, its good for your entire life. If you get a flu vaccine, its only good for 12 months.

*facepalm*

If you get a gallon of milk, it's good for a month. If you get a bottle of vodka, it's good for YEARS! And they're BOTH food!
 
2012-11-24 12:32:27 PM  

HempHead: There is no evidence flu shots work.

The long term effects of the H1N1 are unknown.

If you get a polio vaccine, its good for your entire life. If you get a flu vaccine, its only good for 12 months.


If you knew anything about virology you would see how much of a tool that post just made you. Polio is an incredibly stable DNA virus that has an extremely low rate of mutation. Flu, in direct contrast is incredibly unstable, has many natural hosts which greatly increase reassortment, and is also much, much, much, much more contagious and prevalent which again increases the rate of mutation.
It's concrete vs playdoh
 
2012-11-24 12:32:31 PM  
I like healthcare workers who get immunized. Unfortunately, I'm in the non-clinical side of healthcare and can not take vaccines. Although I eat eggs with impunity, something happens when vaccines are cultured in eggs. So, no vac for me, if I want to keep breathing. Fortunately, my employer understands and we each sign a waiver, releasing the other from liability.
 
2012-11-24 12:33:11 PM  
Anyone know if these people had actual contact with patients or if they were non-medical workers?
 
2012-11-24 12:33:23 PM  
 
2012-11-24 12:34:27 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: edmo: vygramul: I see no problem with this.

Other than the "let's guess which strain to vaccinate for" lottery approach, I kind of agree.

What kind of company can dump 150 people? One with A) a lot of fat or B) one that will shortly implode.

That is not how it's done. I worked for two years the diadgostics section for flu at CDC and there are many hours of work and analysis that go into the decision each year. Thousands of samples received in a given year are grown up then compared against twelve or so vaccine candidates. The vaccine candidates that three candidates that jointly offer the greatest coverage against strains projected to be circulating when the vaccine is release are chosen

Global circulation trends, strain prevalence, etc are all tracked and monitored across the globe to better model world circulation.

Lottery my ass


Which campus?
 
2012-11-24 12:37:20 PM  

cmunic8r99: Anyone know if these people had actual contact with patients or if they were non-medical workers?


I had thought this too, but on the other hand if these people have regular contact with the people who have regular contact with patients, it would be advisable for them to get the flu shot as well.
 
2012-11-24 12:43:28 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: cmunic8r99: Anyone know if these people had actual contact with patients or if they were non-medical workers?

I had thought this too, but on the other hand if these people have regular contact with the people who have regular contact with patients, it would be advisable for them to get the flu shot as well.


I don't disagree, but a system admin or someone working accounts receivable is probably three or four degrees of separation from patients.
 
2012-11-24 12:56:07 PM  
Well, now he can't afford it. Good plan.
 
2012-11-24 12:56:54 PM  
I'm assuming this is a large company. That means many of the employees have nothing to do with directly providing health care. Some, if not most of those, may work at some office facility where there is no patient care.

For example, Kaiser Permanente at one time (and perhaps still, for all I know), leased office space from Oracle (the old Peoplesoft headquarters).

If the employees work in some place like that, there's no reason to make them get a flu shot. I'd bet most of those refusing the shot fall in to this category. Its pretty lousy if the firm is applying to this to employees who will never be in the same buildiing as patients.

Though the bearded Spock in me thinks it is a rather efficient way to get rid of employees: toss those who believe crazy things about vaccines (any real allergies, you could get a waiver from your doctor). And perhaps those with a general "fark authority" streak. Cull the herd down to thosewho accept science and/or are easy to domesticate.

Either way,you end up with a healthy herd.
 
2012-11-24 12:57:14 PM  

LoneWolf343: Well, now he can't afford it. Good plan.


TFA: Company offered the shots for free

D'oh!
 
2012-11-24 12:57:24 PM  

ToxicMunkee: Know what I'd like to see? Better education on what influenza actually IS and does to a human body. We're so accustomed to saying, "Oh, I have the flu" when we're home with a mild fever and some sniffles or diarrhea, and that's not the flu. Not by a long shot. This is why people won't get the shot. They think, "I can handle having the flu for three days." Yeah. Whatever.


I used to say the same until I actually had the flu (Dec 1999-fortunately the only time). I will never make that mistake again, and I now always get my shot. I didn't realize it was possible to feel that crappy. I was totally out of it.
 
2012-11-24 12:59:59 PM  
Your Honor, Seems that some people have died from the flu shot. Therefor my client refuses to take the shot based on it being attempted murder by their employer.

/Same goes for those shots to cure you of pussy cancer rot.
 
2012-11-24 01:05:41 PM  

edmo: vygramul: I see no problem with this.

Other than the "let's guess which strain to vaccinate for" lottery approach, I kind of agree.

What kind of company can dump 150 people? One with A) a lot of fat or B) one that will shortly implode.


I suspect that 90% of them were rehired within a day or two, after getting inoculated. This move sounds like it was just to motivate them. Next year, I'd put my money on 99.9% compliance.
 
2012-11-24 01:07:08 PM  
While it seems kind of harsh, I assume there were some anti-vaxers in the group. Sticking it to the willfully ignorant is always worthwhile.
 
2012-11-24 01:07:43 PM  

sheep snorter: Your Honor, Seems that some people have died from the flu shot. Therefor my client refuses to take the shot based on it being attempted murder by their employer.

/Same goes for those shots to cure you of pussy cancer rot.


"Your client is absolutely within his rights to refuse. His employer is likewise absolutely within its rights to can his ass. "
 
2012-11-24 01:11:44 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Throwing in my lot with the "I don't see a problem with this" crew.


Ditto

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2012-11-24 01:27:48 PM  

Bontesla: vygramul: I see no problem with this.

My only issue would be whether the burden of paying for the shot fell on the employee.

My company offered flu shots, for one day, but the cost fell to the employee. It wasn't mandatory but participation did fall along the lines of those who had the means and those who did not.


FTA...TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots.

And right below the headline the article also states the flu shots are free.
 
2012-11-24 01:34:52 PM  
I don't worry about getting a flu shot.

I just keep away from crowds and children.
 
2012-11-24 01:38:12 PM  

sheep snorter: Your Honor, Seems that some people have died from the flu shot. Therefor my client refuses to take the shot based on it being attempted murder by their employer.

/Same goes for those shots to cure you of pussy cancer rot.


Your client is well within his rights to refuse to obtain a flu shot because of his fear that he'll be one of the 0.000001% who die of an Allergic Reaction or suffer GBS from a flu vaccination. Likewise, his employer - who made vaccination unless there is a legitimate medical reason not to - mandatory, is well within his rights to fire your client's ass.
 
2012-11-24 01:39:57 PM  

BronyMedic: HempHead: There is no evidence flu shots work.

The long term effects of the H1N1 are unknown.

If you get a polio vaccine, its good for your entire life. If you get a flu vaccine, its only good for 12 months.

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Why Do I Need a Flu Vaccine Every Year?
A flu vaccine is needed every year because flu viruses are constantly changing. It's not unusual for new flu viruses to appear each year. The flu vaccine is formulated each year to keep up with the flu viruses as they change.
Also, multiple studies conducted over different seasons and across vaccine types and influenza virus subtypes have shown that the body's immunity to influenza viruses (acquired either through natural infection or vaccination) declines over time.
Getting vaccinated each year provides the best protection against influenza throughout flu season.




Is it appropriate to refer to it as a "vaccine" if it is neither specific nor permanent? Seems more like a preventative.

/pedant
 
2012-11-24 01:41:42 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Bontesla: vygramul: I see no problem with this.

My only issue would be whether the burden of paying for the shot fell on the employee.

My company offered flu shots, for one day, but the cost fell to the employee. It wasn't mandatory but participation did fall along the lines of those who had the means and those who did not.

FTA...TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots.

And right below the headline the article also states the flu shots are free.


See my reply to Vygramul.
 
2012-11-24 02:04:15 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If they had a month to do it, and they were told they had to and still didn't, I see no problem with this. They didn't follow directions.


If you're too stupid and/or lazy to do this, then I don't think I want you involved in my health care.
 
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