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2012-11-24 08:40:14 AM  
Maybe we should just succumb to the next plague?
 
2012-11-24 09:15:11 AM  
"Why did you buy that big TV?"
"I saved $100!"
"But, we live in a trailer."
"But, I saved $100!"

Never underestimate Americans' desire to buy shiat they do not need just because it's marked "on sale."
 
2012-11-24 10:42:26 AM  
fatlip.leoweekly.com
/nice try subbs
 
2012-11-24 10:47:46 AM  
A. Injured lady was a manager, so she probably has fairly good benefits.
B. Was injured at work while on duty, so worker's comp will cover everything anyway
 
2012-11-24 10:51:25 AM  
I worked for Walmart two months in '91. Full time but temporary via Kelly Temps. No bennies. You work at Walmart and your views on things will change...

All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

Troll yourself and go read this
 
2012-11-24 11:01:07 AM  
Don't have much to say about that story, but that technology that steadies videos taken from a phone should be more widely applied.
 
2012-11-24 11:11:12 AM  

Say it with me, TF Bootstrappers:

Well, they work at Wal-Mart, so they deserve it! Get a real job! You knew what you were signing up for!
 
2012-11-24 11:12:17 AM  
Annnnnnnnnnnddd here's this.
 
2012-11-24 11:17:46 AM  
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2012-11-24 11:17:52 AM  

edmo: I worked for Walmart two months in '91. Full time but temporary via Kelly Temps. No bennies. You work at Walmart and your views on things will change...

All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

Troll yourself and go read this


That Walmart uses temps is another problem all by itself.
In union states, Walmart uses temp agencies to staff the distribution centers and they get paid about $10 bucks with no benefits, for instance in Cali and Illinois and witness the resultant recent troubles there.
In non-union states, Walmart distribution center jobs are pretty good ones, starting pay is about $16 per hour with full benefits and regular raises after that.
Note the difference.
 
2012-11-24 11:22:17 AM  
/Worked at a Sam's Club for nine days in 1993.
//Rounding up shopping carts in the snow in November and cleaning the baby diapers out of them?
No thank you.
///Live better by not working to slavers.
 
2012-11-24 11:24:31 AM  
Perhaps I was a bit premature in declaring an early winner in yesterdays Trample Bingo -- after all the injury/fatality was a trample caused by a vehicle. This is the first trample report I saw for Black Friday, so whoever called it get your prize

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2012-11-24 11:24:53 AM  
The black Friday stampedes at Walmart have been well documented over the years, I'd be shocked if her phone wasn't ringing non-stop from lawyers.
 
2012-11-24 11:26:12 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Well, they work at Wal-Mart, so they deserve it! Get a real job! You knew what you were signing up for!


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2012-11-24 11:37:06 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: The black Friday stampedes at Walmart have been well documented over the years, I'd be shocked if her phone wasn't ringing non-stop from lawyers.


I certainly hope not. Effective lawsuits would make stores change how they deal with black friday, and we'd find ourselves without stampede videos (the only worthwhile thing about the day).
 
2012-11-24 11:37:59 AM  
I like to drive by huge lines outside of stores (especially Apple's and Walmart's) and play a soundtrack of cattle being herded and mooing. People sometimes get pretty upset by that. Too bad.
 
2012-11-24 11:45:09 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: The black Friday stampedes at Walmart have been well documented over the years, I'd be shocked if her phone wasn't ringing non-stop from lawyers.


A smart lawyer would know that Wal-Mart's per state Work Comp deductible is probably somewhere between $5-10M and take something decent for them and their client in the way of a settlement and try to fly under the radar. The ambulance chasing schmuck she's probably going to hire will probably multiply his shoe size by 6 and ask for that many millions.
 
2012-11-24 11:59:47 AM  
Wal-Mart should be held criminally liable for the way they run their Black Friday sales. Just look at the video in the article and how they setup the headphone sale display. It's a trampling waiting to happen.

The best system I've seen used, in the few years I participated in Black Friday, was at Best Buy. An associate went down the line, starting at the front, and asked each person what big sale they were there for. The customer got a voucher for that item. They could then take their time getting to the sale display and not have to worry about whether there would be one left when they got there.
 
2012-11-24 12:21:15 PM  
They also point out that at their thousands of stores around the country, it was for the most part an orderly and safe Black Friday, and customers left happy with their purchases

Sure they were, all nice and orderly.
 
2012-11-24 12:24:40 PM  
and that my friends is why i stay home on Black Friday it not worth the effort of getting a black belt/mastery of a martial art.
 
2012-11-24 12:27:34 PM  
I think it's time for the National Guard to work on Black Friday.
 
2012-11-24 12:28:04 PM  

edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.


So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?
 
2012-11-24 12:29:28 PM  

Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?


Wouldn't surprise me. Wal-Mart takes advantage of employees any way they can. If they have managers that are exempt from overtime, better believe they'll be working insane hours.
 
2012-11-24 12:31:43 PM  

Gwendolyn: They also point out that at their thousands of stores around the country, it was for the most part an orderly and safe Black Friday, and customers left happy with their purchases

Sure they were, all nice and orderly.


I couldn't even find any deals I liked online, certainly not on anything I really needed. I'm glad I stayed home.

/Levis at 40% off are still ridiculously overpriced
 
2012-11-24 12:33:33 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: DrewCurtisJr: The black Friday stampedes at Walmart have been well documented over the years, I'd be shocked if her phone wasn't ringing non-stop from lawyers.

A smart lawyer would know that Wal-Mart's per state Work Comp deductible is probably somewhere between $5-10M and take something decent for them and their client in the way of a settlement and try to fly under the radar. The ambulance chasing schmuck she's probably going to hire will probably multiply his shoe size by 6 and ask for that many millions.


This is something I don't quite grok: business screwing workers/employees to make $$$ - good. Lawyers screwing business to make $$$ - bad.

/IOKIYWM?
 
2012-11-24 12:40:40 PM  

whither_apophis: This is something I don't quite grok: business screwing workers/employees to make $$$ - good. Lawyers screwing business to make $$$ - bad.

/IOKIYWM?


Neither side is sanctified here. Those notorious lawyers of Wal-Mart, the ones that are out to gut a plaintiff? You incite them when they see a high dollar amount. When you talk an amount that to them seems like petty cash you tend to get you and your client the money.

/Or at least a settlement the client will probably go out and "sell" for 60 cents on the dollar.
//If they haven't already gone to a payday loan store and borrowed at APR's of over 100%.
 
2012-11-24 12:48:58 PM  

NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?

Wouldn't surprise me. Wal-Mart takes advantage of employees any way they can. If they have managers that are exempt from overtime, better believe they'll be working insane hours.


That was actually calculated with over time. Without overtime it's jumps up to a whopping $3.74 an hour.
 
2012-11-24 01:04:41 PM  
I'll bet the first thing they did was punch her time card out, unless she was salary.
Does WalMart have salary folks? Willing to bet they do, it's easier to exploit salary people.
 
2012-11-24 01:18:58 PM  

cig-mkr: I'll bet the first thing they did was punch her time card out, unless she was salary.
Does WalMart have salary folks? Willing to bet they do, it's easier to exploit salary people.


Store managers and I think department managers are salaried.
 
2012-11-24 01:45:50 PM  
The Manager's job is toast. Not supposed to touch the customers for any reason. And they use it to fight the Worker's Comp claim, too.
 
2012-11-24 02:06:50 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: The ambulance chasing schmuck she's probably going to hire will probably multiply his shoe size by 6 and ask for that many millions.


Well the lawyers could go for the huge punitive damages since a security guard was killed and they have still failed to adequately protect employees from this dangerous environment.
 
2012-11-24 02:09:13 PM  
Why haven't police shut the insane trampling stores down as riots? Hell, they threw out the campers of Occupy but leave the campers of Black Friday alone
 
2012-11-24 02:36:12 PM  

Aar1012: Why haven't police shut the insane trampling stores down as riots? Hell, they threw out the campers of Occupy but leave the campers of Black Friday alone


Generally speaking, the BF campers were legally on private property. Occupiers were, for the most part, on public land.
 
2012-11-24 02:44:56 PM  
According to this the benefits don't look too bad
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2012-11-24 03:12:32 PM  

ArkAngel: A. Injured lady was a manager, so she probably has fairly good benefits.
B. Was injured at work while on duty, so worker's comp will cover everything anyway


In other words, subtard is an inflammatory retard.
 
2012-11-24 03:16:47 PM  
Aggregation of 2012 Black Friday trample videos Nothing too egregious, but still entertaining.

Were the manager of a Best Buy on Black Friday, I'd have a grand plan:

A) push all the shelves/kiosks/display cases up against the walls, so there just a vast, open area
B) suspend all the reasonable size/weight merch 20-30 feet above the floor. High enough so everyone could see what it was and position themselves accordingly.
C) Start admitting customers. Each would be charged a hefty admittance fee (say $150 per person) which would entitle them to ownership of anything they were able to walk out with.
D) Each potential customer would also sign a waiver indemnifying me and Best Buy against any injuries they might suffer, and giving consent to being recording for commercial purposes.
E) Each potential customer would be searched for weapons, but baseball bats would be sold prior to entry for $500
F) Once the building was filled to its legal capacity, the strategically placed cameras would begin recording, an overly excited count-down would take place on the PA system, and the items would all drop.
G) You-tube vid goes up immediately, ad revenue funneled to off-shore account US Courts can't touch.

/Yeah, I'd be fired the next day, but what a way to get fired from a shiatty Best Buy manager jorb?
 
2012-11-24 03:44:33 PM  

Honest Bender: NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?

Wouldn't surprise me. Wal-Mart takes advantage of employees any way they can. If they have managers that are exempt from overtime, better believe they'll be working insane hours.

That was actually calculated with over time. Without overtime it's jumps up to a whopping $3.74 an hour.


I worked at WalMart for a few years; a few girls my age came into be assistant managers, and, yes, they get paid quite shiattiliy. I don't know if it was as bad as this example, but I clearly remember they made less than 25k, before taxes and benefits. They were also expected to work a MINIMUM of 48 hours a week.

This is why most WalMart managers are absolute dicks. They're just regular WalMart folks who bought into the system, tried to climb the ladder, and found out it was shiatty at the top, too.
 
2012-11-24 03:46:11 PM  

Funbags: Aggregation of 2012 Black Friday trample videos Nothing too egregious, but still entertaining.

Were the manager of a Best Buy on Black Friday, I'd have a grand plan:

A) push all the shelves/kiosks/display cases up against the walls, so there just a vast, open area
B) suspend all the reasonable size/weight merch 20-30 feet above the floor. High enough so everyone could see what it was and position themselves accordingly.
C) Start admitting customers. Each would be charged a hefty admittance fee (say $150 per person) which would entitle them to ownership of anything they were able to walk out with.
D) Each potential customer would also sign a waiver indemnifying me and Best Buy against any injuries they might suffer, and giving consent to being recording for commercial purposes.
E) Each potential customer would be searched for weapons, but baseball bats would be sold prior to entry for $500
F) Once the building was filled to its legal capacity, the strategically placed cameras would begin recording, an overly excited count-down would take place on the PA system, and the items would all drop.
G) You-tube vid goes up immediately, ad revenue funneled to off-shore account US Courts can't touch.

/Yeah, I'd be fired the next day, but what a way to get fired from a shiatty Best Buy manager jorb?


You'd be sued into oblivion, you idiot. Even with your little waiver.
 
2012-11-24 04:23:30 PM  
A $1,000 investment in Wal-Mart the day it went public would be worth $1,220,000 right now.
 
2012-11-24 05:01:42 PM  

Honest Bender: NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?

Wouldn't surprise me. Wal-Mart takes advantage of employees any way they can. If they have managers that are exempt from overtime, better believe they'll be working insane hours.

That was actually calculated with over time. Without overtime it's jumps up to a whopping $3.74 an hour.


well, the 1992 minimum wage at 70 hours a week makes 15k.
 
2012-11-24 05:08:12 PM  

links136: Honest Bender: NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?

Wouldn't surprise me. Wal-Mart takes advantage of employees any way they can. If they have managers that are exempt from overtime, better believe they'll be working insane hours.

That was actually calculated with over time. Without overtime it's jumps up to a whopping $3.74 an hour.

well, the 1992 minimum wage at 70 hours a week makes 15k.


$18,785 actually. 70 hours becomes 40 + 45 = 85 hours of regular pay (calculating overtime at 1.5). At 52 weeks a year, fed minimum wage was $4.25.

Honest question, can someone be salaried below minimum wage? If so, that seems wrong.
 
2012-11-24 05:27:51 PM  

Honest Bender: links136: Honest Bender: NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?

Wouldn't surprise me. Wal-Mart takes advantage of employees any way they can. If they have managers that are exempt from overtime, better believe they'll be working insane hours.

That was actually calculated with over time. Without overtime it's jumps up to a whopping $3.74 an hour.

well, the 1992 minimum wage at 70 hours a week makes 15k.

$18,785 actually. 70 hours becomes 40 + 45 = 85 hours of regular pay (calculating overtime at 1.5). At 52 weeks a year, fed minimum wage was $4.25.

Honest question, can someone be salaried below minimum wage? If so, that seems wrong.


You can be salaried at minimum wage for a 40 hour week, but be made to work more than 40 hours.
 
2012-11-24 05:40:13 PM  

taxandspend: The biggest retailer in the world, one that could easily pay all their full-time employees a living wage and still rake in billions of dollars in profits, hates unions and job security? Color me shocked.


That's not really the point of seeing what they're doing there.
 
2012-11-24 05:41:26 PM  

Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?


Salaried employees, not hourly.

Herpaderpa.
 
2012-11-24 05:49:31 PM  

Honest Bender: links136: Honest Bender: NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: edmo: All the assistant managers worked six days a week, 12+ hours per day hoping they would one day get their own store and make a decent living. They made about $14K then, all college grads.

So they only got paid about $3.45/hour?

Wouldn't surprise me. Wal-Mart takes advantage of employees any way they can. If they have managers that are exempt from overtime, better believe they'll be working insane hours.

That was actually calculated with over time. Without overtime it's jumps up to a whopping $3.74 an hour.

well, the 1992 minimum wage at 70 hours a week makes 15k.

$18,785 actually. 70 hours becomes 40 + 45 = 85 hours of regular pay (calculating overtime at 1.5). At 52 weeks a year, fed minimum wage was $4.25.

Honest question, can someone be salaried below minimum wage? If so, that seems wrong.


On another point, we're a couple dollars under the 1968 minimum wage when adjusted for inflation. But poor people are given handouts?
 
2012-11-24 06:34:59 PM  

Jerseysteve22: Funbags: Aggregation of 2012 Black Friday trample videos Nothing too egregious, but still entertaining.

Were the manager of a Best Buy on Black Friday, I'd have a grand plan:

A) push all the shelves/kiosks/display cases up against the walls, so there just a vast, open area
B) suspend all the reasonable size/weight merch 20-30 feet above the floor. High enough so everyone could see what it was and position themselves accordingly.
C) Start admitting customers. Each would be charged a hefty admittance fee (say $150 per person) which would entitle them to ownership of anything they were able to walk out with.
D) Each potential customer would also sign a waiver indemnifying me and Best Buy against any injuries they might suffer, and giving consent to being recording for commercial purposes.
E) Each potential customer would be searched for weapons, but baseball bats would be sold prior to entry for $500
F) Once the building was filled to its legal capacity, the strategically placed cameras would begin recording, an overly excited count-down would take place on the PA system, and the items would all drop.
G) You-tube vid goes up immediately, ad revenue funneled to off-shore account US Courts can't touch.

/Yeah, I'd be fired the next day, but what a way to get fired from a shiatty Best Buy manager jorb?

You'd be sued into oblivion, you idiot. Even with your little waiver.


Pray-tell, soon-to-be dropout freshman law student: as I didn't mention what state I live in, name the federal statute have I have transgressed that I could face a lawsuit over? Oh, that's right, your full-of-shiat troll account that should have been banned years ago for pretending not to be a full of shiat troll account.

Also, explain how its any different from the waiver signed by those who choose to jump from a plane into a parachute must sign, indemnifying the skydiving school from death/damage/suffering by its willing participants?

Pretty sure any reply made by "Jerseysteve22" will be its last, but it would be fun to see a troll's account being discovered and terminated. Sadly, it probably doesn't have the courage to reply.
 
2012-11-24 06:56:14 PM  
Ugh. Why would anyone go shopping on Black "Friday"? I'm going to break off Thanksgiving early so I can get punched in the head by some troglodyte over a $5 pair of headphones? Fark that.
 
2012-11-24 07:03:22 PM  
This happened at a Wal-Mart I once worked at. Somehow we ended up with a shipment of Tickle-Me Elmos, which were sold out all over the continent. Word of mouth got around and sure enough it ended up on the evening news that the Wal-Mart in Fredericton had Tickle-Me Elmos in stock. People were calling the store offering hundreds, even thousands of dollars for one. The manager had the bright idea of putting them onsale at 3AM. When I left work that night, the plan was called for putting them up on a high riser where nobody could reach them, letting customers in small groups, and selling them 1 per customer.
Management hadn't thought about what closes at 2 AM. The bars. The doors were rushed by drunks who stampeded the people inside, including a small girl, and the poor sap who was handing the dolls down from the riser. He was knocked from a ladder and trampled, and ended up in the hospital with a severe concussion (and broken ribs, IIRC).
 
2012-11-24 09:23:32 PM  

taxandspend: HotIgneous Intruder: taxandspend: The biggest retailer in the world, one that could easily pay all their full-time employees a living wage and still rake in billions of dollars in profits, hates unions and job security? Color me shocked.

That's not really the point of seeing what they're doing there.

I assumed the point was that WalMart refuses to work with Unions to provide the type of job security that we as Americans should be entitled to. Am I missing something? 

I'm not super pro-union, I worked for a grocery store in So Cal and the union sucks, but at least if grocery worker was all that I was good at I know that I would be taken care of when I became a 65 year old checker.


Subjects you have no understanding of: Economics.

Go spend some quality time off Internet message boards and learning what jobs will better position you for retirement than unskilled labor.
 
2012-11-24 11:10:44 PM  
MaoMart - looking out for the Party Line.
 
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