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2012-11-24 11:45:07 AM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-11-24 11:45:21 AM

RexTalionis: Go have a bit of a cry, why don'tcha?


www.lifechoice.net.au 

/descendant of Ellis Island immigrants near 1900
//no reason to feel guilty, I wasn't even indirectly involved
 
2012-11-24 11:45:57 AM

Spoon over Marin: No it isn't it's a Methodist Univ. founded in 1923.


Maybe you should read up a little on the first President of the school and get back to me. Yes, I'll wait.
 
2012-11-24 11:47:04 AM
jimmyjackfunk:
/can you imagine the butthurt that would flow though if during the other "history" months if common stereotypes were played out by businesses and in the media? Those places would be shut down even after an apology.

*pouts and puts down the black shoe polish, oversized prosthetic lips, and watermelon*

No fair. What's with all these stick-up-the-butts trying to spoil my having some innocent fun celebrating diversity?

(for reference, yes that was sarcasm.)
 
2012-11-24 11:47:11 AM
fysheroes.files.wordpress.com

When the Victoria Secret is dead, Magua will eat his own heart out. Before it dies, Magua will put its catalog under the mattress, so the Victoria Secret will know Magua's seed is spewed out everywhere.
 
2012-11-24 11:47:25 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com 

Och! Priced so low even a cheap thrifty Scotsman would buy it!

The problem with non-asian minorities is, they seem to think that they're the only ones for whom stereotypes exist.
 
2012-11-24 11:51:56 AM
Gwen Stephani wearing NA clothing in a video =\= racist.

Gwen Stephani wearing NA clothing and the video shows the rest of the band pointing and laughing because she's an "injun" = racist.

Lighten the fark up.
 
2012-11-24 11:54:04 AM

doglover: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

And the traditional Irish green bowler hat, fake red beard, and green dyed beer isn't in the least bit offensive. It's not like the Irish are a proud people who've been oppressed murdered in programs of genocide by English speakers in the past or anything.


FTFY
 
2012-11-24 11:56:11 AM

jedikinkoid: jimmyjackfunk:
/can you imagine the butthurt that would flow though if during the other "history" months if common stereotypes were played out by businesses and in the media? Those places would be shut down even after an apology.

*pouts and puts down the black shoe polish, oversized prosthetic lips, and watermelon*

No fair. What's with all these stick-up-the-butts trying to spoil my having some innocent fun celebrating diversity?

(for reference, yes that was sarcasm.)


well i wasn't thinking along those lines but yeah, come February see what would happen if KFC, Church's or Popeyes ran a month long sale in celebration of Black History month. Or come September when Hispanic History month starts and Taco Bell runs a 2 for 1 special. Or if during Ramadan, a national grocery chain ran a special on all pork products and tied it in to Islam (I know Muslims abstain from pork but you have some idiots who would try and tie it in) If you owned one of those companies, you would have so many people from the media and activist groups crawling up your ass demanding apologies and everything from restructuring your company to the complete dismantling of it.
 
2012-11-24 11:56:17 AM

Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.


Amen, fellow American.
 
2012-11-24 11:56:30 AM
theyre not indian
 
2012-11-24 12:04:20 PM

WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.

No big deal, but look up INNA in American history.

I'm not too sensitive. EVERY culture is a bit F'd up. Get over yourselves.
 
2012-11-24 12:05:57 PM
I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.

There's a myth that's mostly believed by hippies and social justice groups that Native Americans lived in harmony with one another and the "white man" destroyed that. But looking at the history of the world, you know that can't be true. Every other culture had wars. Every culture. You could even go a bit south and see this in the Mesoamerica and South American cultures.
 
2012-11-24 12:07:53 PM
Stereotypes are fun.... especially when they're being witnessed. If you can't laugh at a Dunkin' Donuts parking lot full of cop cars, you have no soul.
 
2012-11-24 12:09:28 PM

Ready-set: By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.

No big deal, but look up INNA in American history.

I'm not too sensitive. EVERY culture is a bit F'd up. Get over yourselves.


Maybe they're the least stick up your ass culture
 
2012-11-24 12:09:46 PM
Once you convince people they should feel guilty for something they didn't do, you've got 'em.
 
2012-11-24 12:10:24 PM
Feathers, beads and turquoise are pretty. Who wouldn't want to wear them?
 
2012-11-24 12:10:35 PM

mekki: I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.


go check out my link about Indian City. You have a tribe almost wiped out by other tribes. Granted they were on different sides during the civil war, but still I don't imagine that was the first instance of one Native American tribe decimating another.
 
2012-11-24 12:12:14 PM
I wonder if you can put on Topsiders, cargo pants, a nice Egyptian cotton shirt and a Tilley hat on the rez during Hallowe'en and say "I'm dressed like a cowboy"?
 
2012-11-24 12:12:34 PM

Ready-set: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson:.

By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.



That must mean that some hillbilly has actually lodged a complaint over Cletus and Brandine.
 
2012-11-24 12:14:44 PM

coscausticevil: i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful.


Or maybe a lot of us are tired of constantly caring about who we might be offended. Maybe some of us want to drink, dress up, have a laugh, watch some sports, and drink some more without giving two shiats about who's feelings get hurt.
 
2012-11-24 12:18:50 PM

moothemagiccow: theyre not indian


I was thinking about that when reading the article.

For someone taking such offense at people wearing headdresses and the like, she sure is throwing the word "Indian" around like a drunken Klansman hurling around attractive and successful epithets.
 
2012-11-24 12:19:14 PM

taurusowner: coscausticevil: i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful.

Or maybe a lot of us are tired of constantly caring about who we might be offended. Maybe some of us want to drink, dress up, have a laugh, watch some sports, and drink some more without giving two shiats about who's feelings get hurt.


I think you've hit the nail on the head. People are getting tired of constantly hearing about how much they suck.
 
2012-11-24 12:19:55 PM
For some reasons, Germans get upset when I celebrate their heritage in an SS uniform.
 
2012-11-24 12:23:10 PM
 
2012-11-24 12:24:30 PM

dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.


Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies (yeah I'm going to sound like that girl) was that the greatest amount of violence inflicted upon NA women is from NA men. Since the whole subjugation of the peoples and being forced into a non-nomadic lifestyle in bad lands started a vicious cycle and inherited culture of NA on NA violence and abuse, almost exclusively among families.

However as someone else has pointed out there is a gross number of offensives that go on unreported because of crappy legal shenanigans when drawing up reservation treaties. That being said I don't believe it's because the white man as fetishized the idea of the "squa". It's because he's an asshole who wants to assert power over another human being and knows that he's likely going to be untouched by the law.
 
2012-11-24 12:28:14 PM
I am not a native but I live in a state with a huge native population (South Dakota/above Nebraska for you coasters) after working in Law Enforcment for 20 years and education for the previous 10 and can tell that the natives absolutely got the shaft from our ancestors but the biggest danger to young native woman now isnt a white guy turned on by a music video or Vicky secret commercial its her uncles and cousins and neighbors who are high on meth and malt liguor and have grown up as victims of their Uncles and cousins and neighbors. How about you figure out how to fix that before worring about music vids you blanking morons.
 
2012-11-24 12:28:54 PM

SuperTramp: This record went platinum in 1971


What about this one?

2.bp.blogspot.com 

Went Gold in 73.
 
2012-11-24 12:29:24 PM
Jenni Monet is a member of Native American Public Telecommunications, and a native of the Laguna Pueblo. Lives in Brooklyn.

Her film work is paid for by ... you guessed it ... rich white guilt riddled liberals otherwise known as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, with tax dollars taken from you against your will.

Speaks English, Spanish and Italian. Does not list Keresan, which would be her native language if Laguna. So, maybe she should cease pretending to be Italian.

This is the Butthurt Report Form in all its glory. (and a sure way to rise in the ranks of CNN ... condemn other Americans for being mean and insensitive)

And no, Braves fans are not going to stop doing the "chop".
 
2012-11-24 12:29:26 PM

GAT_00: Spoon over Marin: Dancin_In_Anson:

Funny you say that. McMurray University was threatened with sanctions by the NCAA unless they dropped their Indian mascot even though the history of the school is steeped in American Indian history. Must have been over my butthurt or something right?

No it isn't it's a Methodist Univ. founded in 1923.

And we sent the Five Tribes there before that. Checkmate Lib.


I'm confused. What's wrong with this picture?
 
2012-11-24 12:29:47 PM
www.emilystoybox.com
 
2012-11-24 12:30:55 PM
My wife and I were talking about natives when while driving to turkey day dinner. I realized I profoundly don't give a fark. Like, at all. There wasn't some great Native American ideal. They were a bunch of different people with a bunch of different ideas. They were mostly wiped out by imported European disease long before anyone thought to kill them on purpose. Sorry. History is full of examples of people being dicks.
 
2012-11-24 12:31:34 PM

Ready-set: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.

No big deal, but look up INNA in American history.

I'm not too sensitive. EVERY culture is a bit F'd up. Get over yourselves.


You mean NINA and that has largely been shown to be a virtual myth in America.

Yes, someone on here is going to chime in they have a relative that remembers seeing a sign in a shop window in New York. I have friends that swear up and down that Star Wars had the subtitle "A New Hope" way back in 1977. Doesn't make them right either.
 
2012-11-24 12:31:45 PM

MagicPlasticTreeFrog: Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.

Amen, fellow American.


Holy shiat, someone that actually gets it.

If only Native Americans stop living in Native American-only designation area out west, their heritage would actually live on. Nope, apparently self-imposed alienation is a great idea and keeping the whites and darkies out. Because it worked out so well for the Jews in Europe.

My uncle visiting a tribal area back in the late 70s, said the worst act of discrimination he ever say was done by Native Americans against a black.

Talk about being your own worst enemy.
 
2012-11-24 12:32:38 PM
Here's my two cents.

On the one hand, the native tribes of America had it (some still do) pretty rough early on, and we still kind of poke fun of them.

On the other, we poke fun of everyone, and I think this rant was a bit over the top.

Also, while Victoria's Secret may have done a dick move, Ubisoft did something cool.
 
2012-11-24 12:35:05 PM

DubtodaIll: When will all these minorities stop biatching that we didn't completely eradicate them? It's by the majorities grace alone that they're even able to take moral high groin on a discrimination issue anyway.


Do not want to even take the "moral high groin".
 
2012-11-24 12:35:16 PM
Seems relevant... 

Lyrics


I like sports
There are some things I force myself to miss
like I never met an athlete I like in hockey
in Texas when it comes to native American nickname teams
Even within the contents of sports it's awful and mean

and you'll go wah wah wah you're so PC
and i will say hey wait my my my how have the table turns to be a farking prick is a desirable trait
while we're on the subject of changing team names there's no jazz in Utah
and few lakes in LA just this once give me the
benefit of the doubt the Bullets became the Wizards to pilots get out
and you'll go wa wa wa you're so PC
and i will say hey wait remind me again how it came to be
that being a stupid american is a desirable trait
wouldn't that be offensive if we cheered
"rah rah rah for the Carolina negroes with a beat box cheer and a big foam afro"
the Minnesota Vikings became the New York kikes with dollar bills on their helmets
cause thats what they're like ya know

Atom: What about the Saints, Angels, Padres, you ain't got the same thing for Christians that's offending you
When there's a Jesus Christ mascot dog shooting crucifixes
they nail to a cross dying to save the team
you'll be right, you'll be right but until then you're not right
so what's your take on Washington redskins
what's your take on the Cleveland Indians
what's your take on Washington redskins
what's your take on the Cleveland Indians 

/funny CD
 
2012-11-24 12:36:16 PM

KatjaMouse: Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies


And that's where everyone stopped reading and tagged you as "person whose opinion is meaningless".
 
2012-11-24 12:36:22 PM
This guy knows: Link
 
2012-11-24 12:36:26 PM
just because...

www.tampabay.com
 
2012-11-24 12:38:54 PM

Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.


I grew up a few miles from the Blackfeet reservation and now live near the Flathead reservation and your post pretty well reflects the attitude of the Indians I've known over the years. They're proud of their heritage and don't seem to indulge in the butthurt in TFA.
 
2012-11-24 12:42:44 PM

FirstNationalBastard: moothemagiccow: theyre not indian

I was thinking about that when reading the article.

For someone taking such offense at people wearing headdresses and the like, she sure is throwing the word "Indian" around like a drunken Klansman hurling around attractive and successful epithets.


I'm noticing less and less use of the nomenclature of Indian in describing Native Canadians. The american "indians" should you know, maybe stop calling themselves that.

/I wonder if it bothers Indians that actually are from India?
 
2012-11-24 12:43:27 PM
In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.
 
2012-11-24 12:45:31 PM

WhippingBoy: KatjaMouse: Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies

And that's where everyone stopped reading and tagged you as "person whose opinion is meaningless".


Which was immediately followed by (yeah, i'm going to sound like that girl) because my opinion is meaningless as that's all I got my context from. I'm not from Oklahoma or the Dakotas. I've never worked in law enforcement in the west. I never directly worked for a human rights organization but I've given a lot of money to them over the years. However I've worked for/with a women's shelters on and off for the better part of the last decade through soliciting donations or volunteering for some events to include a reading of the all rapey reading of The Vagina Monologues. Boy did I need a prozac after that.
 
2012-11-24 12:46:05 PM

Dafatone: In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.


Yeah, that's terrible. I mean, it's not like they were advertising a casino or anything.
 
2012-11-24 12:46:29 PM

mekki: I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.

There's a myth that's mostly believed by hippies and social justice groups that Native Americans lived in harmony with one another and the "white man" destroyed that. But looking at the history of the world, you know that can't be true. Every other culture had wars. Every culture. You could even go a bit south and see this in the Mesoamerica and South American cultures.


It turns out that cultures that don't have standing armies have different definitions of war. Sure, there was war in pre-white-man America. But generally, you'd have a few handfuls of young men on each side who starting hitting each other with axes and firing arrows or something, and maybe a dozen or so people would die. The same thing was true in pre-white-man Africa.

Of course, it helped that these places had TINY populations compared to Europe at the time.
 
xcv
2012-11-24 12:47:03 PM
The Skidi Pawnee practiced child sacrifice, specifically of captive girls, in the "Morning Star ritual". They continued this practice regularly through the 1810s and possibly after 1838, the last reported sacrifice.

With help from others, the warrior would capture a young unmarried girl from an enemy tribe. The Pawnee kept the girl and cared for her over the winter, taking her with them as they made their buffalo hunt. They arranged her sacrifice in the spring, in relation to the rising of the Morning Star. She was well treated and fed throughout this period.[12]

A procession of all the men, boys and male infants accompanied the girl out of the village to the scaffold. Together they awaited the morning star. When the star was due to rise, the girl was placed and tied on the scaffold. At the moment the star appeared above the horizon, the girl was killed with an arrow, then the priest cut the skin of her chest to bleed. She was quickly shot with arrows by all the participating men and boys to hasten her death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee_people#The_Morning_Star_ritual
 
2012-11-24 12:48:01 PM

WhippingBoy: Dafatone: In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.

Yeah, that's terrible. I mean, it's not like they were advertising a casino or anything.


If people want to pimp out their own culture for profit, at least it belongs to them. It still sucks, but that's their right or something.
 
2012-11-24 12:48:52 PM

WhippingBoy: KatjaMouse: Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies

 
And that's where everyone stopped reading and tagged you as "person whose opinion is meaningless".
 
Speak for yourself, paleface. I asked a question, and she answered it giving context to her familiarity with the subject(with qualified self-deprecating humor). That's kinda what we do on discussion forums in adultland.
 
2012-11-24 12:49:45 PM

WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
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