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2012-11-24 07:55:33 AM  
As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

Nope.
 
2012-11-24 08:17:11 AM  
Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?
 
2012-11-24 08:41:59 AM  
If I want to pretend to run a convenience store I can.
 
2012-11-24 08:48:40 AM  

Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?


Right around the point where reason and logic are taken out of the equation.

Mugato: If I want to pretend to run a convenience store I can.


Feather not dot.
 
2012-11-24 08:55:00 AM  

FriarReb98: Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?

Right around the point where reason and logic are taken out of the equation.



That's not really helpful.
 
2012-11-24 08:57:19 AM  

Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?


This is fine:
www.shoes.com

This is stupid:
24.media.tumblr.com
blogs.ubc.ca

bitchmagazine.org
 
2012-11-24 09:03:02 AM  

Barfmaker: That's not really helpful.


But it is truthful. Unless it's a comedy, it's most likely that a culture's imagery is being used to convey a mood or style that they look up to. And if it's a comedy, it's a farking joke and people like She Who Has Stick Up Her Butt That Has Stick Up Its Butt should just get over it.

\Political Correctness is killing comedy slowly but surely, and comedy should fight back.
\\and for the record, I'm part Mikmaq and I went to a school where the mascot is an Indian.
 
2012-11-24 09:07:11 AM  

FriarReb98: And if it's a comedy, it's a farking joke and people like She Who Has Stick Up Her Butt That Has Stick Up Its Butt should just get over it.


theinvazn.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-24 09:09:21 AM  
You mean the younger generation won't have the fun of playing Cowboys and Casinos?
 
2012-11-24 09:16:27 AM  

Snarfangel: You mean the younger generation won't have the fun of playing Cowboys and Casinos?


that reminded me...

It is still okay to play Cowboys and Redskins...
 
2012-11-24 09:28:24 AM  
FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.

 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.
 
2012-11-24 09:36:56 AM  

dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.


I was taught that the NA cultures were matrilineal. Maybe the violence is a result of placing a group of people in a human petting zoo?
 
2012-11-24 09:41:53 AM  

Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

content.remaxtexas.com

 
2012-11-24 09:48:35 AM  
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2012-11-24 09:51:08 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.


Their heritage. Not somebody else's.
 
2012-11-24 09:51:23 AM  

FriarReb98: Mikmaq


um, paddwhack?

/does this elevator go straight to hell, or do I have to switch in the lobby?
 
2012-11-24 09:57:00 AM  

Babwa Wawa: FriarReb98: Mikmaq

um, paddwhack?

/does this elevator go straight to hell, or do I have to switch in the lobby?


You have screwed the pooch.
 
2012-11-24 09:57:34 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

[content.remaxtexas.com image 500x750]


Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue, and no one has a problem with it. What they have a problem with are people doing the equivalent of wearing blackface. Not cool.
 
2012-11-24 10:03:43 AM  

RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.


Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue


Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.
 
2012-11-24 10:04:37 AM  
Thanksgiving is some Native Americans' 'Day of Mourning'

Not around here.

/but Columbus day is not very celebrated
//it's called Piomingo Day in my area.
 
2012-11-24 10:07:24 AM  
Don't tell him that

nerdbastards.com

Tim Burton didn't even dress him
 
2012-11-24 10:09:01 AM  

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.


Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.
 
2012-11-24 10:09:15 AM  
As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

Does anyone care about these dedicated months they don't get paid vacation for? No.

Get your people together, organize a REAL holiday, and lobby for some time off work. Preferably slave to a Friday so it's a long weekend kickoff every time.

The Native American peoples were on of the foundations of our country. America is more like the Five Nations than England in spirit. We should learn more about the Iroquois. Out west, the Sioux, Comanche, and the rest were instrumental in shaping the country and culture as well. And the languages could be preserved much better if we could get some reason to start using them again. A new national holiday would spark at least some interest, if not generate cash flow, etc.
 
2012-11-24 10:11:39 AM  

WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


And the traditional Irish green bowler hat, fake red beard, and green dyed beer isn't in the least bit offensive. It's not like the Irish are a proud people who've been oppressed by English speakers in the past or anything.
 
2012-11-24 10:12:58 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-24 10:13:51 AM  

dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.


I heard a report on this issue. There's something of a loophole that gets created when the offenders are non-Indian (conflicting legal sovereignties, etc.), so people are working to close that gap.
 
2012-11-24 10:14:01 AM  
So this thread has gone all Indian vs. Irish before hitting the main?
I don't even care for basketball.
 
2012-11-24 10:15:02 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue

Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.


1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?
 
2012-11-24 10:17:29 AM  

WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


Is wearing a green polo somehow Irish now?
 
2012-11-24 10:19:11 AM  

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue

Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.

1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


Did someone mention exploiting and co-opting a culture for financial and social benefits?

blogs.965thebuzz.com
 
2012-11-24 10:23:48 AM  

RexTalionis: How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


Octoberfest is nothing if not exploitation for financial gain. Do you have any idea how much German beers run for the liter!?
 
2012-11-24 10:27:24 AM  

RexTalionis: 1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.


Pardon me. Some people think it's fine to celebrate a heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Better?

RexTalionis: 2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?
 
2012-11-24 10:28:58 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Did someone mention exploiting and co-opting a culture for financial and social benefits?


Okay. I'll admit that I snickered at this.
 
2012-11-24 10:30:38 AM  

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue

Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.

1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


DIA is ALWAYS obtuse. He will never answer your questions. I don't know what it is, but he is simple unable to actually honestly answer a simple question. He always has to slightly change the topic to one that he likes and get all butthurt and self-righteous over very little.

Basically, it's like a high-functioning 4 year old running around.
 
2012-11-24 10:37:37 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?


Well, so we've established that you are obtuse. And you sound awfully butthurt about it in the process.

dancininanson.net
 
2012-11-24 10:46:08 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: 1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

Pardon me. Some people think it's fine to celebrate a heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Better?

RexTalionis: 2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?

How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?


I think one of the big differences is Oktoberfest celebrates the "fun" parts of German culture (drinking, food, and parties). Most of the Native American things I've seen make fun of their religion, paint the Native Americans as uneducated drunks, and celebrate their genocide.

I doubt many Jewish people would think it was funny if the Germans all got together for a fest mocking their religion. They could call it Holofest.
 
2012-11-24 10:47:41 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-24 10:54:41 AM  
What are they gonna do about it, declare war? Worked out well for them last time.
 
2012-11-24 10:55:19 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.


You don't see him wearing a Nazi uniform, do you?

People want to pick the parts of their heritage they celebrate.
 
2012-11-24 10:58:02 AM  
As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

Yes, but like every other month dedicated to certain issues...

We didn't care.

It's not unlike certain holidays. Most people consider Halloween to be a silly holiday where we give candy to children. Some people place some highly personal significance on it... Do you think they care what you think?
 
2012-11-24 10:58:47 AM  

GAT_00: DIA is ALWAYS obtuse. He will never answer your questions. I don't know what it is, but he is simple unable to actually honestly answer a simple question. He always has to slightly change the topic to one that he likes and get all butthurt and self-righteous over very little.


Awwww...Whatsamatta, Pumpkin. No Muppet thread for you to whine in?

RexTalionis: Well, so we've established that you are obtuse. And you sound awfully butthurt about it in the process.


I'm not the one complaining about people dressing up in costumes that are of other cultures. Indeed I'm the one that thinks it can be fun..and is most of the time. But tell me again that makes me "obtuse" and "butthurt".

Ryan2065: I think one of the big differences is Oktoberfest celebrates the "fun" parts of German culture (drinking, food, and parties). Most of the Native American things I've seen make fun of their religion, paint the Native Americans as uneducated drunks, and celebrate their genocide.


Funny you say that. McMurray University was threatened with sanctions by the NCAA unless they dropped their Indian mascot even though the history of the school is steeped in American Indian history. Must have been over my butthurt or something right?
 
2012-11-24 10:59:11 AM  
But little recognition has been paid to the original inhabitants who represent 1% of the U.S. population.

Gee, I wonder why.
 
2012-11-24 10:59:13 AM  

Mugato: If I want to pretend to run a convenience store I can.


The Pakistanis run the convenience stores, the Indians run the hotels. Get your stereotypes adjusted.
 
2012-11-24 10:59:43 AM  

Mugato: Don't tell him that

[nerdbastards.com image 460x307]

Tim Burton didn't even dress him


That's his usual 'runnin' down to the 7/11' look
 
2012-11-24 11:00:24 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: But tell me again that makes me "obtuse" and "butthurt".


Dancin_In_Anson: How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?


dancininanson.net
Go have a bit of a cry, why don'tcha?
 
2012-11-24 11:00:45 AM  

Krieghund: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

You don't see him wearing a Nazi uniform, do you?

People want to pick the parts of their heritage they celebrate.


Prince Harry tried to celebrate his heritage, but people mocked him for it.
 
2012-11-24 11:01:22 AM  

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?

Well, so we've established that you are obtuse. And you sound awfully butthurt about it in the process.

[dancininanson.net image 452x565]


us.123rf.com
 
2012-11-24 11:01:25 AM  
Damn native Americans are worse at assimilating into society than the nubians.

Just look at the reservations.

/I keed?
 
2012-11-24 11:02:20 AM  
People all over the world stick up for their own kind i.e. race. It's no big deal and is completely acceptable on all counts unless you are white. Then you are clearly a bigot, racist, close minded hater, etc.

/sorta think the squaw has a valid point
 
2012-11-24 11:03:23 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson:

Funny you say that. McMurray University was threatened with sanctions by the NCAA unless they dropped their Indian mascot even though the history of the school is steeped in American Indian history. Must have been over my butthurt or something right?


No it isn't it's a Methodist Univ. founded in 1923.
 
2012-11-24 11:03:29 AM  
I wonder how many in here state that those who are offended need to "lighten up" while at the same time get their panties in a twist when anyone attacks Islam.

I'll wait.
 
2012-11-24 11:04:56 AM  
Just make the Battle of Little Big Horn a holiday already. Some people with piss and moan about anything


/Going to pack thepeace pipe and watch Little Big Man later.
 
2012-11-24 11:05:17 AM  

randomjsa: As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

Yes, but like every other month dedicated to certain issues...

We didn't care.

It's not unlike certain holidays. Most people consider Halloween to be a silly holiday where we give candy to children. Some people place some highly personal significance on it... Do you think they care what you think?


My personal favorite story about Victim History Months is at one organization I worked at, Black employees complained in a conference that "Of course Whitey would make Black History Month in February, the shortest month of the year, to oppress us!"

/Increasingly with Non-Asian Minorities, I can't tell if they really mean what they are saying or are just using the threat of smeering people as racist - which has very real professional and legal consequences - to get more goodies
 
2012-11-24 11:06:33 AM  
How about a nice game of Nazis and Jews?
 
2012-11-24 11:08:04 AM  
i1125.photobucket.com
I'm OK with this.

/Get over yourself, Ms. Sandy Vagina.
 
2012-11-24 11:08:50 AM  

Onkel Buck: Just make the Battle of Little Big Horn a holiday already. Some people with piss and moan about anything


/Going to pack thepeace pipe and watch Little Big Man later.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-24 11:08:58 AM  
I've never met a woman named Janet who wasn't a total biatch.
 
2012-11-24 11:10:10 AM  

dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence.


What....

in a row?
 
2012-11-24 11:10:12 AM  
www.chinaenvironmentallaw.com

nobody posted this yet? yes I know I know not a real Native American.
Personally, I didn't know November was Native American History month and I am Choctaw/Cherokee. I didn't know and now that I do know, it doesn't make me get all upset about these advertising and media gaffes that people have pulled compared to if I had known. Sure some people will find it offensive there is always someone who will. There is the whole, "it should be every day not just a month" crowd. I gladly will respect someone else's heritage and culture and I don't need a month out of the year set aside for it.

/can you imagine the butthurt that would flow though if during the other "history" months if common stereotypes were played out by businesses and in the media? Those places would be shut down even after an apology.
 
2012-11-24 11:10:34 AM  
As a white American, I don't take Native American's "rights" seriously, because on average, 9 out of 10 NA's I've dealt with (in Arizona) are less inclined to do something about it than I am. For this French writer chick, It's like trying to play the black card but you have no Jesse Jacksons or Al Sharptons up your sleeve.
 
2012-11-24 11:10:37 AM  
Of course nobody realized it was native american history month. Movember has a lot more hype attached to it.
 
2012-11-24 11:10:48 AM  

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.


i.imgur.com

Ted Sewitski respectfully disagrees.
 
2012-11-24 11:11:49 AM  
When will all these minorities stop biatching that we didn't completely eradicate them? It's by the majorities grace alone that they're even able to take moral high groin on a discrimination issue anyway.
 
2012-11-24 11:17:21 AM  

doglover: RexTalionis: How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?

Octoberfest is nothing if not exploitation for financial gain. Do you have any idea how much German beers run for the liter!?


Total Farkers get a discount?!
 
2012-11-24 11:17:57 AM  
If you really want to be depressed watch this. Link

/lives in SD
//Works with quite a few Native kids
///They got bigger things to worry about than if people "exploit" their culture
 
2012-11-24 11:18:09 AM  
On one hand, I'd love to have a serious talk about cultural appropriation.

On the other hand, I'm willing to wager that most of the people on Fark are more content practicing their subconscious racism. It fits right in with the subconscious misogyny, homophobia, and overt cultural hegemony that is so prevalent here.

Oh, and DIA has been pretty racist for pretty much all of the last ten years I've been reading this site, so I'm not sure why people are surprised about what he's saying now.
 
2012-11-24 11:19:06 AM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: As a white American, I don't take Native American's "rights" seriously, because on average, 9 out of 10 NA's I've dealt with (in Arizona) are less inclined to do something about it than I am. For this French writer chick, It's like trying to play the black card but you have no Jesse Jacksons or Al Sharptons up your sleeve.


Actually, according to the tagline, she's a member of the Pueblo nation. Not all Native Americans are named Running Bear or Little Wolf. I'm Jewish but don't have a Jewish last name.
 
2012-11-24 11:20:32 AM  

DubtodaIll: When will all these minorities stop biatching that we didn't completely eradicate them? It's by the majorities grace alone that they're even able to take moral high groin on a discrimination issue anyway.


But there's only a few thousand of them left! Of course, that's a low-ball estimate.
 
2012-11-24 11:20:55 AM  

Spoon over Marin: Dancin_In_Anson:

Funny you say that. McMurray University was threatened with sanctions by the NCAA unless they dropped their Indian mascot even though the history of the school is steeped in American Indian history. Must have been over my butthurt or something right?

No it isn't it's a Methodist Univ. founded in 1923.


And we sent the Five Tribes there before that. Checkmate Lib.
 
2012-11-24 11:21:42 AM  

DubtodaIll: When will all these minorities stop biatching that we didn't completely eradicate them? It's by the majorities grace alone that they're even able to take moral high groin on a discrimination issue anyway.


"Hey! We're not currently committing genocide on your people! You should be grateful we even let you live!"
 
2012-11-24 11:22:31 AM  
Here's what I don't get. Stone Brewery is such a one trick pony that it doesn't make sense that they are as popular as they are. I guess putting a gargoyle on your bottle makes you edgy and cool, or having a CEO that's all vegan and anti-GMO gives you cred, but their beers are just more hop-crazy swill.

I only bring this up because some drunk indian idiot was sitting on a curb imbibing Stone IPA. I got some Four Loco on my way out of the store, because he just seemed to be wasting his time drinking unfortified drinks.
 
2012-11-24 11:22:50 AM  
If they want a celebration of their culture, I'm totally fine with it. If they want it to be popular, well, it needs to involve booze. Look at the major nationality/religion holidays..St. Pat's, Octoberfest, Cinco de Mayo, Mardi Gras, 4th of July....all of them fun. Hell, you could probably add Christmas to that list. Now, look at the ones that aren't fun/popular (I'm looking at you, Kwanzaa). Whats missing?
 
2012-11-24 11:23:20 AM  

Nogale: Actually, according to the tagline, she's a member of the Pueblo nation.


True story, you can order anything from Pueblo, Colorado.
 
2012-11-24 11:23:33 AM  

Spoon over Marin: I was taught that the NA cultures were matrilineal. Maybe the violence is a result of placing a group of people in a human petting zoo?


I think it was more like a few specific NA cultures didn't discriminate against women in politics, and had some women leaders - the Iroquois come to mind. If there were any matriarchal Native societies (not really sure), they definitely weren't the majority.

Nope, I think this is more of the result of the White Man giving them booze which they had never seen the stuff before, and went crazy with it, and it tore apart much of their society, which made them easier to conquer, and easier on the conscience to do so. That's how it went, anyway.
 
2012-11-24 11:25:08 AM  
Oy.

Let me lay out my opinions here, in case anyone cares:

1) Cultures represent our tribal history. Everyone belongs to a tribe. Some are family-esque or bigger, thus giving them an air of permanence, and some are ephemeral (like the fandom of a sports team, for example).

2) Often, cross-cultural interaction carries with it intense baggage related to past and/or current oppression - from mockery up through genocide - of one culture by another.

3) OPINION: Relics of such hostile, domineering interactions should be avoided, or, better yet, addressed in an appropriate forum with due resolution and reverence for the subject matter, where possible.

4) That being said, if we did not periodically "dabble" in each other's cultures, it would be as if to ignore that we're on this planet together. Cross-cultural interaction, complete with "borrowing," happens all the time, literally everywhere. What makes us human is culture, and what makes us vibrant is that those cultures are many and they interact.

5) Ergo: dress-up games are complicated affairs, which depend on context. OPINION: Avoid dressing up like a person from another culture unless invited to do so by that culture's members, because it's waaaaay too easy to screw up (and when you do screw up, those who get offended may very well have a point).

6) OPINION: That being said, see #4. We can't get away from each other, and encouraging everyone to silo their culture isn't just unrealistic, it's actually dangerous. We shouldn't avoid each other - there's too much of that going on already.
 
2012-11-24 11:25:08 AM  

iron_city_ap: If they want a celebration of their culture, I'm totally fine with it. If they want it to be popular, well, it needs to involve booze. Look at the major nationality/religion holidays..St. Pat's, Octoberfest, Cinco de Mayo, Mardi Gras, 4th of July....all of them fun. Hell, you could probably add Christmas to that list. Now, look at the ones that aren't fun/popular (I'm looking at you, Kwanzaa). Whats missing?


You can't invent a holiday?
 
2012-11-24 11:25:29 AM  

Aurric: On one hand, I'd love to have a serious talk about cultural appropriation.

On the other hand, I'm willing to wager that most of the people on Fark are more content practicing their subconscious racism. It fits right in with the subconscious misogyny, homophobia, and overt cultural hegemony that is so prevalent here.

Oh, and DIA has been pretty racist for pretty much all of the last ten years I've been reading this site, so I'm not sure why people are surprised about what he's saying now.


Wow, I never met a super-human who had all their emotions and feelings in such perfect harmony. You should be revered a god on FARK. The rest of as just use common sense but you are something special.
 
2012-11-24 11:26:35 AM  

Dafatone: iron_city_ap: If they want a celebration of their culture, I'm totally fine with it. If they want it to be popular, well, it needs to involve booze. Look at the major nationality/religion holidays..St. Pat's, Octoberfest, Cinco de Mayo, Mardi Gras, 4th of July....all of them fun. Hell, you could probably add Christmas to that list. Now, look at the ones that aren't fun/popular (I'm looking at you, Kwanzaa). Whats missing?

You can't invent a holiday?


Sure you can. If you want people to notice it, you gotta make getting drunk a big part of it.
 
2012-11-24 11:27:30 AM  

Dafatone: iron_city_ap: If they want a celebration of their culture, I'm totally fine with it. If they want it to be popular, well, it needs to involve booze. Look at the major nationality/religion holidays..St. Pat's, Octoberfest, Cinco de Mayo, Mardi Gras, 4th of July....all of them fun. Hell, you could probably add Christmas to that list. Now, look at the ones that aren't fun/popular (I'm looking at you, Kwanzaa). Whats missing?

You can't invent a holiday?


Seriously. MLK Day disapproves of iron_city_ap's shenanigans.
 
2012-11-24 11:28:50 AM  

Aurric: On one hand, I'd love to have a serious talk about cultural appropriation.

On the other hand, I'm willing to wager that most of the people on Fark are more content practicing their subconscious racism. It fits right in with the subconscious misogyny, homophobia, and overt cultural hegemony that is so prevalent here.

Oh, and DIA has been pretty racist for pretty much all of the last ten years I've been reading this site, so I'm not sure why people are surprised about what he's saying now.


Fark has cultural hegemony?
 
2012-11-24 11:29:07 AM  
It sort of weakens her argument, having a picture of a Victoria's Secret model wearing a headdress posted over the article.
 
2012-11-24 11:30:12 AM  

Spoon over Marin: dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.

I was taught that the NA cultures were matrilineal. Maybe the violence is a result of placing a group of people in a human petting zoo?


You call it a human petting zoo. I call it a free range ghetto.

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.


So no toga parties anymore? Boo.
 
2012-11-24 11:30:13 AM  

HeathenHealer: If you really want to be depressed watch this. Link

/lives in SD
//Works with quite a few Native kids
///They got bigger things to worry about than if people "exploit" their culture


stories like that and like the one about the beer and liquor sales on the border with the SD reservation are ones that should be out there letting people know exactly what is happening to Native Americans. But instead the media wants you to get outraged over a model wearing a headdress or some sport team that has a Native American mascot. The point is if it was another ethnicity and something like the link HeathenHealer posted or the alcohol sales were to happen, we would be getting constantly bombarded with outraged "journalists" (i use that term loosely) on why these atrocities should stop, followed up with unnecessary legislation making it a federal crime to do so.
 
2012-11-24 11:31:25 AM  
www.tvworthwatching.com
Where the Hekowi?
 
2012-11-24 11:31:59 AM  

Ryan2065: I think one of the big differences is Oktoberfest celebrates the "fun" parts of German culture (drinking, food, and parties). Most of the Native American things I've seen make fun of their religion, paint the Native Americans as uneducated drunks, and celebrate their genocide.


Really? I've never seen that... I've seen people dress up in feathered headdresses and dance around making nonsensical chants, but that seems about on par with dressing up in leiderhosen and dancing a silly jig as far as offensiveness... It's just drunken people having silly fun... When has anyone ever "celebrate[d] their genocide"? Seriously??

/Part Cherokee...
 
2012-11-24 11:33:50 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Dafatone: iron_city_ap: If they want a celebration of their culture, I'm totally fine with it. If they want it to be popular, well, it needs to involve booze. Look at the major nationality/religion holidays..St. Pat's, Octoberfest, Cinco de Mayo, Mardi Gras, 4th of July....all of them fun. Hell, you could probably add Christmas to that list. Now, look at the ones that aren't fun/popular (I'm looking at you, Kwanzaa). Whats missing?

You can't invent a holiday?

Seriously. MLK Day disapproves of iron_city_ap's shenanigans.


Good point. I forgot all those big MLK day parties and parades and firework displays I've been to over the years. Don't get me wrong though, centering a celebration around getting tanked misses the mark about what you are actually celebrating. It just makes it more widly popular.
 
2012-11-24 11:35:12 AM  
As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.
 
2012-11-24 11:35:46 AM  
Vae Victis.
 
2012-11-24 11:35:51 AM  

Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?


IKEA says go on, exploit Swedish culture all you like, and pick up some meatballs on the way oiy.
 
2012-11-24 11:36:43 AM  

RexTalionis: Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?

This is fine:
[www.shoes.com image 350x350]

This is stupid:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x346]
[blogs.ubc.ca image 640x960]

[biatchmagazine.org image 500x386]


Only really the last one is stupid; those are some badly drawn ugly assed white chicks.
 
2012-11-24 11:37:11 AM  
I like how we've reached a place in post-racial America where it's OK to keep perpetuating stereotypes because we're all equal and it's all just in fun and everything's peachy and OK.
 
2012-11-24 11:37:44 AM  

Make More Hinjews: 5) Ergo: dress-up games are complicated affairs, which depend on context. OPINION: Avoid dressing up like a person from another culture unless invited to do so by that culture's members, because it's waaaaay too easy to screw up (and when you do screw up, those who get offended may very well have a point).


If I was native American I'd be more offended by the ghetto-like state of the reservations than by some idiot that wanted to play dress-up. But no one's going to write an article about that, because that's boring and depressing and apparently not an issue that anyone wants to deal with.

These people need jobs, quality schools and rehab centers, not some patronising token measure of respect.
 
2012-11-24 11:37:59 AM  

Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.


Me, shiny beads, fire water, give you. Land me, you give? Great respect your ancestors. Long live peace my family your family.
 
2012-11-24 11:40:38 AM  

RobSeace: Ryan2065: I think one of the big differences is Oktoberfest celebrates the "fun" parts of German culture (drinking, food, and parties). Most of the Native American things I've seen make fun of their religion, paint the Native Americans as uneducated drunks, and celebrate their genocide.

Really? I've never seen that... I've seen people dress up in feathered headdresses and dance around making nonsensical chants, but that seems about on par with dressing up in leiderhosen and dancing a silly jig as far as offensiveness... It's just drunken people having silly fun... When has anyone ever "celebrate[d] their genocide"? Seriously??

/Part Cherokee...


Indian City

only a few miles from where we live now. I wouldn't call it a celebration of genocide insomuch as you can go and actually learn something about Native American history. True the back story on it is sad, but it gives the uneducated a glimpse into the culture.
 
2012-11-24 11:41:59 AM  

mat catastrophe: I like how we've reached a place in post-racial America where it's OK to keep perpetuating stereotypes because we're all equal and it's all just in fun and everything's peachy and OK.


What is this place you speak of? It's always been strange to me for people to deny their own nature. I you've ever travelled anywhere outside the USA you quickly realize that America is the least racist place on earth. It's in your instincts to distrust those outside your own group. While I'm all legal equality, cultural and emotional equality are unattainable.
 
2012-11-24 11:42:01 AM  
Can we just change the name of Columbus Day to "Tough shiat, You Lost" Day?
 
2012-11-24 11:42:31 AM  
graphics8.nytimes.com

Ashton should have just said no.
 
2012-11-24 11:43:12 AM  
i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful. it really needs to end, but it won't stop unless people do something about it. we would need a lot of people on board to finally stop the disrespect. a large, well trained group of people who can recognize offensive use of native imagery. yeah, like an army. then this "army" could round up all offensive mascots, headdresses, dream catchers, etc and stop ignorant people from dishonoring them. maybe put Native American symbols in their own special place, some place just for them where they could stay apart from the rest of American culture. anybody with me?
 
2012-11-24 11:43:31 AM  

Make More Hinjews: Oy.

Let me lay out my opinions here, in case anyone cares:

1) Cultures represent our tribal history. Everyone belongs to a tribe. Some are family-esque or bigger, thus giving them an air of permanence, and some are ephemeral (like the fandom of a sports team, for example).

2) Often, cross-cultural interaction carries with it intense baggage related to past and/or current oppression - from mockery up through genocide - of one culture by another.

3) OPINION: Relics of such hostile, domineering interactions should be avoided, or, better yet, addressed in an appropriate forum with due resolution and reverence for the subject matter, where possible.

4) That being said, if we did not periodically "dabble" in each other's cultures, it would be as if to ignore that we're on this planet together. Cross-cultural interaction, complete with "borrowing," happens all the time, literally everywhere. What makes us human is culture, and what makes us vibrant is that those cultures are many and they interact.

5) Ergo: dress-up games are complicated affairs, which depend on context. OPINION: Avoid dressing up like a person from another culture unless invited to do so by that culture's members, because it's waaaaay too easy to screw up (and when you do screw up, those who get offended may very well have a point).

6) OPINION: That being said, see #4. We can't get away from each other, and encouraging everyone to silo their culture isn't just unrealistic, it's actually dangerous. We shouldn't avoid each other - there's too much of that going on already.


I'm not in the least bit offended by Stefani's video or Victoria's Secret's headdress. Stefani is, in fact, part of a multi-racial/cultural band, and I seriously doubt the intent was racist. But that keyhole dress thing was hideous. She should've apologized for whatever the hell that thing was supposed to be instead of the rest of the video. Ugh.

As for the Victoria's Secret show... first, VS models are among the most tasteful in the business for underwear models. The fact that they are required to maintain a healthy body weight rather than be anorexic is a point in their favor. I thought the headdress was tasteful and attractive and just as many American Indians shop at Victoria's Secret as non American Indians, so I fail to see the problem except for a bunch of jackasses getting their knickers in a twist over "zomg! A headdress associated with American Indians! It must be racist!" farkwits. If it had been an American Indian model, would there still have been such an outcry, I wonder?
 
2012-11-24 11:43:37 AM  
I learned a new term today: Non-asian minorities.
 
2012-11-24 11:45:07 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-11-24 11:45:21 AM  

RexTalionis: Go have a bit of a cry, why don'tcha?


www.lifechoice.net.au 

/descendant of Ellis Island immigrants near 1900
//no reason to feel guilty, I wasn't even indirectly involved
 
2012-11-24 11:45:57 AM  

Spoon over Marin: No it isn't it's a Methodist Univ. founded in 1923.


Maybe you should read up a little on the first President of the school and get back to me. Yes, I'll wait.
 
2012-11-24 11:47:04 AM  
jimmyjackfunk:
/can you imagine the butthurt that would flow though if during the other "history" months if common stereotypes were played out by businesses and in the media? Those places would be shut down even after an apology.

*pouts and puts down the black shoe polish, oversized prosthetic lips, and watermelon*

No fair. What's with all these stick-up-the-butts trying to spoil my having some innocent fun celebrating diversity?

(for reference, yes that was sarcasm.)
 
2012-11-24 11:47:11 AM  
fysheroes.files.wordpress.com

When the Victoria Secret is dead, Magua will eat his own heart out. Before it dies, Magua will put its catalog under the mattress, so the Victoria Secret will know Magua's seed is spewed out everywhere.
 
2012-11-24 11:47:25 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com 

Och! Priced so low even a cheap thrifty Scotsman would buy it!

The problem with non-asian minorities is, they seem to think that they're the only ones for whom stereotypes exist.
 
2012-11-24 11:51:56 AM  
Gwen Stephani wearing NA clothing in a video =\= racist.

Gwen Stephani wearing NA clothing and the video shows the rest of the band pointing and laughing because she's an "injun" = racist.

Lighten the fark up.
 
2012-11-24 11:54:04 AM  

doglover: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

And the traditional Irish green bowler hat, fake red beard, and green dyed beer isn't in the least bit offensive. It's not like the Irish are a proud people who've been oppressed murdered in programs of genocide by English speakers in the past or anything.


FTFY
 
2012-11-24 11:56:11 AM  

jedikinkoid: jimmyjackfunk:
/can you imagine the butthurt that would flow though if during the other "history" months if common stereotypes were played out by businesses and in the media? Those places would be shut down even after an apology.

*pouts and puts down the black shoe polish, oversized prosthetic lips, and watermelon*

No fair. What's with all these stick-up-the-butts trying to spoil my having some innocent fun celebrating diversity?

(for reference, yes that was sarcasm.)


well i wasn't thinking along those lines but yeah, come February see what would happen if KFC, Church's or Popeyes ran a month long sale in celebration of Black History month. Or come September when Hispanic History month starts and Taco Bell runs a 2 for 1 special. Or if during Ramadan, a national grocery chain ran a special on all pork products and tied it in to Islam (I know Muslims abstain from pork but you have some idiots who would try and tie it in) If you owned one of those companies, you would have so many people from the media and activist groups crawling up your ass demanding apologies and everything from restructuring your company to the complete dismantling of it.
 
2012-11-24 11:56:17 AM  

Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.


Amen, fellow American.
 
2012-11-24 11:56:30 AM  
theyre not indian
 
2012-11-24 12:04:20 PM  

WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.

No big deal, but look up INNA in American history.

I'm not too sensitive. EVERY culture is a bit F'd up. Get over yourselves.
 
2012-11-24 12:05:57 PM  
I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.

There's a myth that's mostly believed by hippies and social justice groups that Native Americans lived in harmony with one another and the "white man" destroyed that. But looking at the history of the world, you know that can't be true. Every other culture had wars. Every culture. You could even go a bit south and see this in the Mesoamerica and South American cultures.
 
2012-11-24 12:07:53 PM  
Stereotypes are fun.... especially when they're being witnessed. If you can't laugh at a Dunkin' Donuts parking lot full of cop cars, you have no soul.
 
2012-11-24 12:09:28 PM  

Ready-set: By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.

No big deal, but look up INNA in American history.

I'm not too sensitive. EVERY culture is a bit F'd up. Get over yourselves.


Maybe they're the least stick up your ass culture
 
2012-11-24 12:09:46 PM  
Once you convince people they should feel guilty for something they didn't do, you've got 'em.
 
2012-11-24 12:10:24 PM  
Feathers, beads and turquoise are pretty. Who wouldn't want to wear them?
 
2012-11-24 12:10:35 PM  

mekki: I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.


go check out my link about Indian City. You have a tribe almost wiped out by other tribes. Granted they were on different sides during the civil war, but still I don't imagine that was the first instance of one Native American tribe decimating another.
 
2012-11-24 12:12:14 PM  
I wonder if you can put on Topsiders, cargo pants, a nice Egyptian cotton shirt and a Tilley hat on the rez during Hallowe'en and say "I'm dressed like a cowboy"?
 
2012-11-24 12:12:34 PM  

Ready-set: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson:.

By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.



That must mean that some hillbilly has actually lodged a complaint over Cletus and Brandine.
 
2012-11-24 12:14:44 PM  

coscausticevil: i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful.


Or maybe a lot of us are tired of constantly caring about who we might be offended. Maybe some of us want to drink, dress up, have a laugh, watch some sports, and drink some more without giving two shiats about who's feelings get hurt.
 
2012-11-24 12:18:50 PM  

moothemagiccow: theyre not indian


I was thinking about that when reading the article.

For someone taking such offense at people wearing headdresses and the like, she sure is throwing the word "Indian" around like a drunken Klansman hurling around attractive and successful epithets.
 
2012-11-24 12:19:14 PM  

taurusowner: coscausticevil: i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful.

Or maybe a lot of us are tired of constantly caring about who we might be offended. Maybe some of us want to drink, dress up, have a laugh, watch some sports, and drink some more without giving two shiats about who's feelings get hurt.


I think you've hit the nail on the head. People are getting tired of constantly hearing about how much they suck.
 
2012-11-24 12:19:55 PM  
For some reasons, Germans get upset when I celebrate their heritage in an SS uniform.
 
2012-11-24 12:23:10 PM  
 
2012-11-24 12:24:30 PM  

dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.


Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies (yeah I'm going to sound like that girl) was that the greatest amount of violence inflicted upon NA women is from NA men. Since the whole subjugation of the peoples and being forced into a non-nomadic lifestyle in bad lands started a vicious cycle and inherited culture of NA on NA violence and abuse, almost exclusively among families.

However as someone else has pointed out there is a gross number of offensives that go on unreported because of crappy legal shenanigans when drawing up reservation treaties. That being said I don't believe it's because the white man as fetishized the idea of the "squa". It's because he's an asshole who wants to assert power over another human being and knows that he's likely going to be untouched by the law.
 
2012-11-24 12:28:14 PM  
I am not a native but I live in a state with a huge native population (South Dakota/above Nebraska for you coasters) after working in Law Enforcment for 20 years and education for the previous 10 and can tell that the natives absolutely got the shaft from our ancestors but the biggest danger to young native woman now isnt a white guy turned on by a music video or Vicky secret commercial its her uncles and cousins and neighbors who are high on meth and malt liguor and have grown up as victims of their Uncles and cousins and neighbors. How about you figure out how to fix that before worring about music vids you blanking morons.
 
2012-11-24 12:28:54 PM  

SuperTramp: This record went platinum in 1971


What about this one?

2.bp.blogspot.com 

Went Gold in 73.
 
2012-11-24 12:29:24 PM  
Jenni Monet is a member of Native American Public Telecommunications, and a native of the Laguna Pueblo. Lives in Brooklyn.

Her film work is paid for by ... you guessed it ... rich white guilt riddled liberals otherwise known as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, with tax dollars taken from you against your will.

Speaks English, Spanish and Italian. Does not list Keresan, which would be her native language if Laguna. So, maybe she should cease pretending to be Italian.

This is the Butthurt Report Form in all its glory. (and a sure way to rise in the ranks of CNN ... condemn other Americans for being mean and insensitive)

And no, Braves fans are not going to stop doing the "chop".
 
2012-11-24 12:29:26 PM  

GAT_00: Spoon over Marin: Dancin_In_Anson:

Funny you say that. McMurray University was threatened with sanctions by the NCAA unless they dropped their Indian mascot even though the history of the school is steeped in American Indian history. Must have been over my butthurt or something right?

No it isn't it's a Methodist Univ. founded in 1923.

And we sent the Five Tribes there before that. Checkmate Lib.


I'm confused. What's wrong with this picture?
 
2012-11-24 12:29:47 PM  
www.emilystoybox.com
 
2012-11-24 12:30:55 PM  
My wife and I were talking about natives when while driving to turkey day dinner. I realized I profoundly don't give a fark. Like, at all. There wasn't some great Native American ideal. They were a bunch of different people with a bunch of different ideas. They were mostly wiped out by imported European disease long before anyone thought to kill them on purpose. Sorry. History is full of examples of people being dicks.
 
2012-11-24 12:31:34 PM  

Ready-set: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.

No big deal, but look up INNA in American history.

I'm not too sensitive. EVERY culture is a bit F'd up. Get over yourselves.


You mean NINA and that has largely been shown to be a virtual myth in America.

Yes, someone on here is going to chime in they have a relative that remembers seeing a sign in a shop window in New York. I have friends that swear up and down that Star Wars had the subtitle "A New Hope" way back in 1977. Doesn't make them right either.
 
2012-11-24 12:31:45 PM  

MagicPlasticTreeFrog: Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.

Amen, fellow American.


Holy shiat, someone that actually gets it.

If only Native Americans stop living in Native American-only designation area out west, their heritage would actually live on. Nope, apparently self-imposed alienation is a great idea and keeping the whites and darkies out. Because it worked out so well for the Jews in Europe.

My uncle visiting a tribal area back in the late 70s, said the worst act of discrimination he ever say was done by Native Americans against a black.

Talk about being your own worst enemy.
 
2012-11-24 12:32:38 PM  
Here's my two cents.

On the one hand, the native tribes of America had it (some still do) pretty rough early on, and we still kind of poke fun of them.

On the other, we poke fun of everyone, and I think this rant was a bit over the top.

Also, while Victoria's Secret may have done a dick move, Ubisoft did something cool.
 
2012-11-24 12:35:05 PM  

DubtodaIll: When will all these minorities stop biatching that we didn't completely eradicate them? It's by the majorities grace alone that they're even able to take moral high groin on a discrimination issue anyway.


Do not want to even take the "moral high groin".
 
2012-11-24 12:35:16 PM  
Seems relevant... 

Lyrics



I like sports
There are some things I force myself to miss
like I never met an athlete I like in hockey
in Texas when it comes to native American nickname teams
Even within the contents of sports it's awful and mean

and you'll go wah wah wah you're so PC
and i will say hey wait my my my how have the table turns to be a farking prick is a desirable trait
while we're on the subject of changing team names there's no jazz in Utah
and few lakes in LA just this once give me the
benefit of the doubt the Bullets became the Wizards to pilots get out
and you'll go wa wa wa you're so PC
and i will say hey wait remind me again how it came to be
that being a stupid american is a desirable trait
wouldn't that be offensive if we cheered
"rah rah rah for the Carolina negroes with a beat box cheer and a big foam afro"
the Minnesota Vikings became the New York kikes with dollar bills on their helmets
cause thats what they're like ya know

Atom: What about the Saints, Angels, Padres, you ain't got the same thing for Christians that's offending you
When there's a Jesus Christ mascot dog shooting crucifixes
they nail to a cross dying to save the team
you'll be right, you'll be right but until then you're not right
so what's your take on Washington redskins
what's your take on the Cleveland Indians
what's your take on Washington redskins
what's your take on the Cleveland Indians 

/funny CD
 
2012-11-24 12:36:16 PM  

KatjaMouse: Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies


And that's where everyone stopped reading and tagged you as "person whose opinion is meaningless".
 
2012-11-24 12:36:22 PM  
This guy knows: Link
 
2012-11-24 12:36:26 PM  
just because...

www.tampabay.com
 
2012-11-24 12:38:54 PM  

Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.


I grew up a few miles from the Blackfeet reservation and now live near the Flathead reservation and your post pretty well reflects the attitude of the Indians I've known over the years. They're proud of their heritage and don't seem to indulge in the butthurt in TFA.
 
2012-11-24 12:42:44 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: moothemagiccow: theyre not indian

I was thinking about that when reading the article.

For someone taking such offense at people wearing headdresses and the like, she sure is throwing the word "Indian" around like a drunken Klansman hurling around attractive and successful epithets.


I'm noticing less and less use of the nomenclature of Indian in describing Native Canadians. The american "indians" should you know, maybe stop calling themselves that.

/I wonder if it bothers Indians that actually are from India?
 
2012-11-24 12:43:27 PM  
In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.
 
2012-11-24 12:45:31 PM  

WhippingBoy: KatjaMouse: Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies

And that's where everyone stopped reading and tagged you as "person whose opinion is meaningless".


Which was immediately followed by (yeah, i'm going to sound like that girl) because my opinion is meaningless as that's all I got my context from. I'm not from Oklahoma or the Dakotas. I've never worked in law enforcement in the west. I never directly worked for a human rights organization but I've given a lot of money to them over the years. However I've worked for/with a women's shelters on and off for the better part of the last decade through soliciting donations or volunteering for some events to include a reading of the all rapey reading of The Vagina Monologues. Boy did I need a prozac after that.
 
2012-11-24 12:46:05 PM  

Dafatone: In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.


Yeah, that's terrible. I mean, it's not like they were advertising a casino or anything.
 
2012-11-24 12:46:29 PM  

mekki: I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.

There's a myth that's mostly believed by hippies and social justice groups that Native Americans lived in harmony with one another and the "white man" destroyed that. But looking at the history of the world, you know that can't be true. Every other culture had wars. Every culture. You could even go a bit south and see this in the Mesoamerica and South American cultures.


It turns out that cultures that don't have standing armies have different definitions of war. Sure, there was war in pre-white-man America. But generally, you'd have a few handfuls of young men on each side who starting hitting each other with axes and firing arrows or something, and maybe a dozen or so people would die. The same thing was true in pre-white-man Africa.

Of course, it helped that these places had TINY populations compared to Europe at the time.
 
xcv
2012-11-24 12:47:03 PM  
The Skidi Pawnee practiced child sacrifice, specifically of captive girls, in the "Morning Star ritual". They continued this practice regularly through the 1810s and possibly after 1838, the last reported sacrifice.

With help from others, the warrior would capture a young unmarried girl from an enemy tribe. The Pawnee kept the girl and cared for her over the winter, taking her with them as they made their buffalo hunt. They arranged her sacrifice in the spring, in relation to the rising of the Morning Star. She was well treated and fed throughout this period.[12]

A procession of all the men, boys and male infants accompanied the girl out of the village to the scaffold. Together they awaited the morning star. When the star was due to rise, the girl was placed and tied on the scaffold. At the moment the star appeared above the horizon, the girl was killed with an arrow, then the priest cut the skin of her chest to bleed. She was quickly shot with arrows by all the participating men and boys to hasten her death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee_people#The_Morning_Star_ritual
 
2012-11-24 12:48:01 PM  

WhippingBoy: Dafatone: In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.

Yeah, that's terrible. I mean, it's not like they were advertising a casino or anything.


If people want to pimp out their own culture for profit, at least it belongs to them. It still sucks, but that's their right or something.
 
2012-11-24 12:48:52 PM  

WhippingBoy: KatjaMouse: Actually from my understanding, especially from a lot of reading in Women's Studies

 
And that's where everyone stopped reading and tagged you as "person whose opinion is meaningless".
 
Speak for yourself, paleface. I asked a question, and she answered it giving context to her familiarity with the subject(with qualified self-deprecating humor). That's kinda what we do on discussion forums in adultland.
 
2012-11-24 12:49:45 PM  

WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-24 12:50:37 PM  
Is it OK to play cowboys and anything anymore?
Cowboys and Terrorist doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
2012-11-24 12:52:52 PM  

diaphoresis: Onkel Buck: Just make the Battle of Little Big Horn a holiday already. Some people with piss and moan about anything


/Going to pack thepeace pipe and watch Little Big Man later.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 320x240]


Little Horse: "You look tired Little Big Man. Would you like to come in my teepee and rest on soft furs? Come and live with me and I'll be your wife! "
s9.postimage.org
 
2012-11-24 12:53:29 PM  

cig-mkr: Is it OK to play cowboys and anything anymore?
Cowboys and Terrorist doesn't have the same ring to it.


How about Cowboys and Guantanamo bay officers?.
 
2012-11-24 12:53:31 PM  

cig-mkr: Is it OK to play cowboys and anything anymore?
Cowboys and Terrorist doesn't have the same ring to it.


Basically cops and robbers. But god forbid you cast your token black friend as the robber.
 
2012-11-24 12:53:47 PM  

Ryan2065: I think one of the big differences is Oktoberfest celebrates the "fun" parts of German culture (drinking, food, and parties). Most of the Native American things I've seen make fun of their religion, paint the Native Americans as uneducated drunks, and celebrate their genocide.

I doubt many Jewish people would think it was funny if the Germans all got together for a fest mocking their religion. They could call it Holofest.


But mocking the pope hat is cool. England was doing it on TV since Black Adder and before I'm sure.

But let's not mention that much of NA's problems come from not even a good old fashioned mocking, but just a borrowing of style and imagery. Apparently someone thinking a head dress looks cool, is offensive. Last I heard imitation in that style is a form of flattery.

Native Americans that are up in arms over this are only campaigning so that they remain relevant in some pathetic way. The worst offenders at being easily offended are creationists from the word go(Ie do NOT want migration taught, they can't even approach evolution), their populace is rife with same race abuse(in contrast to their pursuits to punish the white man), alcoholism, all that in a bundle and the kids grow up as damaged goods. In order to keep up appearances(or rather, delusion), they teach that it's the white man's fault, that it's part of their DNA to remember the hurt(they can't be blamed for acting out with "red rage"[their term] and even justify it..), and the hole in the o-zone is somehow related to their religious burning of buffalo dung.

Now, I'm not talking about the stereo-typical drunks, but against the successful leaders and teachers. More of the stereotypical ones are a bit less racist and cool with.

The scenario that would be fitting is if the Black Panthers were the successful blacks, and led the race as a people. Fortunately, the BP is largely ignored except to be mocked when they speak publicly, even by their own people.

/live in NA central
//work and party with them

IMO, We're America. Native, African, Polish, Japanese, whatever. We're all just Americans. Teaching righteous pride only fosters Racism and hate.

If you want to be American, you should give up some of that pompousness about your genes, and just work on getting along with everyone, shun the individual assholes and get on with your day. Seeking out strife, and pretending the problem isn't largely your own, is not helping anyone.

Tired of seeing drunks or people on welfare, or worse, the pettiness of your appearance based on similar people in such situations? Work in a direction to directly change what results in that situation. Work for the betterment of those you identify as "your" people, not telling those who are NOT "your" people what to do, say, and dress like, where to live, and what oven to get incinerated in.
 
2012-11-24 12:54:19 PM  

RexTalionis: Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?

This is fine:


This is stupid:


That last one is racist by the fact that the graphics creator (and anyone posting it) is making the asshole assumption that either the girls DEFINITELY had ancestors who killed them or that ALL white people are responsible for their deaths.

What happened to a group of people in the long past, by another group in the long past didn't happen to anyone living today, nor is it the fault of anyone today.
I refuse to give in to racist blaming and condemn people today for the crimes of other people long since gone.
Neither being a victim nor being a perpetual translate to ancestors, let alone anyone of similar looking skin/race.
 
2012-11-24 12:54:52 PM  
RexTalionis:
bitchmagazine.org


Yeah, but cigarette smoking causes about 1 of every 5 deaths in the United States. That's 443,000 deaths annually.

Who's killing who now?
 
2012-11-24 12:55:06 PM  
You know, it's partly my own fault, but this could have been a thread of hot chicks in Indian bikinis. I will know try to pay reparations.

www.southdreamz.com

/yeah, I know she's 7-11 not Casino Indian
//if you really care that much you're either gay or need to serious adjust your priorities.
 
2012-11-24 12:55:29 PM  
KatjaMouse

What about this one?
Went Gold in 73.


I just threw up a little in my mouth.
 
2012-11-24 12:56:20 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I'm confused. What's wrong with this picture?


I'm still waiting for GAT_00 to point out Abilene, Oklahoma and for Spoon over Marin to explain how McMurray University came up with the Indian mascot via their association with the Methodist church.
 
2012-11-24 12:59:43 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.


I think this is one topic that you, me and Snoop Dogg can agree on.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-24 01:01:30 PM  
Oblig

Me and the great man had a beer together once, it is sad that he is gone now.
 
2012-11-24 01:03:01 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

This is basically what I pictured while reading this article. It was a farking fashion show, who gives a shiat?
 
2012-11-24 01:04:24 PM  
dready zim
Oblig
Me and the great man had a beer together once, it is sad that he is gone now.


Two tomahawks up!
 
2012-11-24 01:04:45 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Jenni Monet is a member of Native American Public Telecommunications, and a native of the Laguna Pueblo. Lives in Brooklyn.

Her film work is paid for by ... you guessed it ... rich white guilt riddled liberals otherwise known as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, with tax dollars taken from you against your will.

Speaks English, Spanish and Italian. Does not list Keresan, which would be her native language if Laguna. So, maybe she should cease pretending to be Italian.

This is the Butthurt Report Form in all its glory. (and a sure way to rise in the ranks of CNN ... condemn other Americans for being mean and insensitive)

And no, Braves fans are not going to stop doing the "chop".


Come on. What percentage of Native Americans - especially her generation - speak more than a few words of their nation's language?
 
2012-11-24 01:06:09 PM  
 
2012-11-24 01:06:44 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x500]


Whilst on the topic, if you were born in Ireland, you are Irish. If you were born in America, you are American and if you were born in England you are English.

You are not Irish if you were born in America.

Get over it or move back.
 
2012-11-24 01:07:46 PM  

Dafatone: mekki: I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.

There's a myth that's mostly believed by hippies and social justice groups that Native Americans lived in harmony with one another and the "white man" destroyed that. But looking at the history of the world, you know that can't be true. Every other culture had wars. Every culture. You could even go a bit south and see this in the Mesoamerica and South American cultures.

It turns out that cultures that don't have standing armies have different definitions of war. Sure, there was war in pre-white-man America. But generally, you'd have a few handfuls of young men on each side who starting hitting each other with axes and firing arrows or something, and maybe a dozen or so people would die. The same thing was true in pre-white-man Africa.

Of course, it helped that these places had TINY populations compared to Europe at the time.


But most of what we know about past Native Americans comes from three sources; oral tradition, which is very sketchy at best, European/Colonial written word, which only covers a fraction of a fraction of Native American history and archeological digs. What we don't have are written records. One of the reasons we know how destructive the Romans were was because they wrote everything down like a fifteen year old on Facebook. The population of Pre-Columbian America could have been huge with many cities all lost or yet undiscovered. But we have no idea where to look because nothing was written down. It's easy to say that you were always the peaceful good guys when you have no record to contradict this. What if there are no great numbers of bodies because they were all destroyed in some ritual. Rather than burial you have cremation. But, again, we don't know because no one bothered to write it down. It's all guess work.
 
2012-11-24 01:14:59 PM  

CygnusDarius: cig-mkr: Is it OK to play cowboys and anything anymore?
Cowboys and Terrorist doesn't have the same ring to it.

How about Cowboys and Guantanamo bay officers?.


KatjaMouse: cig-mkr: Is it OK to play cowboys and anything anymore?
Cowboys and Terrorist doesn't have the same ring to it.

Basically cops and robbers. But god forbid you cast your token black friend as the robber.


I'm sorry, I've got to take my comment back.
I forgot that kids don't play outside anymore, if it isn't on a screen they aren't going to play it.
My bad.
 
2012-11-24 01:16:30 PM  
It's pretty cool how many people in this thread are telling others what heritage or culture they belong to. It's nice to finally meet the people who have that power.
 
2012-11-24 01:18:38 PM  

farked3ways2sunday: MagicPlasticTreeFrog: Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.

Amen, fellow American.

Holy shiat, someone that actually gets it.

If only Native Americans stop living in Native American-only designation area out west, their heritage would actually live on. Nope, apparently self-imposed alienation is a great idea and keeping the whites and darkies out. Because it worked out so well for the Jews in Europe.

My uncle visiting a tribal area back in the late 70s, said the worst act of discrimination he ever say was done by Native Americans against a black.

Talk about being your own worst enemy.


By the time World War II rolled around, most of Europe's Jews were living modern lives alongside their contemporaries. Yes, certain Ultra-Orthodox sects kept themselves apart, but they did not represent the Jewish population as a whole. Austria's Jews in particular were ardent patriots and completely thrown for a loop when the Nazis gained power.

Also, don't forget that the Nuremberg Laws determined that anyone with ONE Jewish grandparent - on either side - was a Jew. So even second-generation children of mixed marriages were rounded up, deported, and killed.

I'm certain you didn't mean to imply that that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves.
 
2012-11-24 01:19:16 PM  

dready zim: i upped my meds-up yours: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x500]

Whilst on the topic, if you were born in Ireland, you are Irish. If you were born in America, you are American and if you were born in England you are English.

You are not Irish if you were born in America.

Get over it or move back.


dual citizenship ftw
 
2012-11-24 01:23:30 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I'm confused. What's wrong with this picture?

I'm still waiting for GAT_00 to point out Abilene, Oklahoma and for Spoon over Marin to explain how McMurray University came up with the Indian mascot via their association with the Methodist church.


From Wikipedia:
The Indians nickname was chosen as a tribute to the University's first president, J.W. Hunt, who grew up on an Indian Reservation in the Indian Territory.

Dude, I was just pointing out that "steeped in Indian" history as you put it, McMurray is NOT. Just because the first president grew up on a res does not mean they are "steeped" in Native American history. Those kids are as white as the driven snow.
Perhaps it is you who sits on the stick.
 
2012-11-24 01:24:02 PM  

Dafatone: WhippingBoy: Dafatone: In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.

Yeah, that's terrible. I mean, it's not like they were advertising a casino or anything.

If people want to pimp out their own culture for profit, at least it belongs to them. It still sucks, but that's their right or something.



What you call "pimping out" is called "pride in heritage" by others.

Note Red Man Pipe and Supply:

"The name of this company stands as a symbol of pride both in heritage and bootstrap achievement.
Founder Lew Ketchum was a Native American and former chief of the Delaware tribe for a dozen years. According to his son and current Red Man President Craig Ketchum, one of his father's proudest achievements was regaining federal recognition of the Delaware as a sovereign tribe at that time apart from the Cherokee nation, with which it had been lumped. Lew Ketchum chose to name his company Red Man Pipe & Supply Co. out of pride in heritage, and nobody in the company talks of changing it." 

Isn't red man an offensive term?
 
2012-11-24 01:27:05 PM  

Dafatone: mekki: I've always wondered how many cultures were lost or wiped out by other Native American tribes before the Europeans came.

There's a myth that's mostly believed by hippies and social justice groups that Native Americans lived in harmony with one another and the "white man" destroyed that. But looking at the history of the world, you know that can't be true. Every other culture had wars. Every culture. You could even go a bit south and see this in the Mesoamerica and South American cultures.

It turns out that cultures that don't have standing armies have different definitions of war. Sure, there was war in pre-white-man America. But generally, you'd have a few handfuls of young men on each side who starting hitting each other with axes and firing arrows or something, and maybe a dozen or so people would die. The same thing was true in pre-white-man Africa.

Of course, it helped that these places had TINY populations compared to Europe at the time.


Population estimates for pre-Columbian North America range as high as 25 million. Not exactly tiny.
 
2012-11-24 01:27:25 PM  
Why, in every discussion by whites about American Indians, are the U.S. Immigrants of European ancestry always collectively referred to as 'the white man?" I see it online and hear it in conversations. And always by whites.

They make it sound as though there was one single white man ... the white man, in fact ... who went around causing all the problems of all the Indian nations. It makes me think, why didn't somebody just shoot the sumbiatch so the rest of us could start getting along already?

Indians don't, for the most part (unless they're pulling your leg) talk like the ones in the old cowboy movies. No one 'speaks with forked tongue'- they lie through their teeth. Something isn't 'heap big', it's farkin' huge or a metric buttload. They have wives and girlfriends, not "squaws"; kids, not "papooses." At least among all the various Indians I've met. They pretty much talk like everyone else.
 
2012-11-24 01:28:31 PM  

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.


I am part Irish and part Cherokee. Feel free to get drunk and run around a fire whooping it up. I could not care less. It does not insult me or my ancestors for you to dress up or act like me/them. I am really sick of this victim mentality that almost every race and culture clings to. And don't feign outrage on my behalf either.
 
2012-11-24 01:29:27 PM  

vinniethepoo: Why, in every discussion by whites about American Indians, are the U.S. Immigrants of European ancestry always collectively referred to as 'the white man?" I see it online and hear it in conversations. And always by whites.

They make it sound as though there was one single white man ... the white man, in fact ... who went around causing all the problems of all the Indian nations. It makes me think, why didn't somebody just shoot the sumbiatch so the rest of us could start getting along already?


The ManTM
 
2012-11-24 01:29:50 PM  

Spoon over Marin: From Wikipedia:
The Indians nickname was chosen as a tribute to the University's first president, J.W. Hunt, who grew up on an Indian Reservation in the Indian Territory.

Dude, I was just pointing out that "steeped in Indian" history as you put it, McMurray is NOT.



Perhaps you can explain their Homecoming festivities to the class seeing as you are such an expert. One can only assume that you live in Abilene or attended McMurry...You have the floor.

Spoon over Marin: Those kids are as white as the driven snow.


Which means what? That white people can't embrace American Indian cultures? That's quite a racist attitude there.

Spoon over Marin: Perhaps it is you who sits on the stick


You betcha.
 
2012-11-24 01:31:43 PM  

farked3ways2sunday: MagicPlasticTreeFrog: Aigoo: As an American Indian, I read the first sentence and said three things:

1 - Shut the fark up, you dumb biatch. You don't speak for me or anyone else in my family.

2 - If you were born in this country, you are a "native" American, so knock off that PC bullshiat - it's offensive to me. I'm both a "native" American and an American Indian of the Creek and Lakota tribes.

3 - My grandmother would slap your arrogant, disrespectful face if she were still alive and tell you to look to your own backyard before blaming someone else for the condition of theirs--and she called herself a "squaw" unapologetically and was not only not insulted by the term, but damned proud of her heritage, which she could trace beyond the Trail of Tears and the Dawes and Oakes Rolls. You should be too. Instead, you're so ashamed of who and what you are, you blame the children of immigrants (which I am also - my father was of Scottish descent) for your own low self-worth.


/farking whiny brats looking to take racist offense in everything. This country has moved beyond the 1700's and 1800s, maybe they should too.

Amen, fellow American.

Holy shiat, someone that actually gets it.

If only Native Americans stop living in Native American-only designation area out west, their heritage would actually live on. Nope, apparently self-imposed alienation is a great idea and keeping the whites and darkies out. Because it worked out so well for the Jews in Europe.

My uncle visiting a tribal area back in the late 70s, said the worst act of discrimination he ever say was done by Native Americans against a black.

Talk about being your own worst enemy.


What. Do you think people wanna live in concentrations camps with no running wanter, education, healthcare or economy, while being forced to survive by boiling water and hunting every day of your life?
 
2012-11-24 01:33:45 PM  
How about you quit farking around with the NA nations. Or if you're going to just do it in one of their bars, and see how well it goes.
 
2012-11-24 01:34:04 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Spoon over Marin: From Wikipedia:
The Indians nickname was chosen as a tribute to the University's first president, J.W. Hunt, who grew up on an Indian Reservation in the Indian Territory.

Dude, I was just pointing out that "steeped in Indian" history as you put it, McMurray is NOT.


Perhaps you can explain their Homecoming festivities to the class seeing as you are such an expert. One can only assume that you live in Abilene or attended McMurry...You have the floor.

Spoon over Marin: Those kids are as white as the driven snow.

Which means what? That white people can't embrace American Indian cultures? That's quite a racist attitude there.

Spoon over Marin: Perhaps it is you who sits on the stick

You betcha.


How about no. You can just argue with yourself, now.
 
2012-11-24 01:35:25 PM  
gopher321

As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

Nope.


Probably because it wasn't yammered about by the media and schools like Black History Month is, complete with little infomercials informing everyone about what Great Things assorted Black People have accomplished and nearly every city in the US has a Martin Luther King street. Nor do they have an obscure, 'native' holiday dug up and shoved on the people like 'Kwanzaa' was nor educated professors pushing for folks to learn and speak 'Ebonics' -- becuz their kidz kan't talk nutthin' but Ghetto.

Also, they haven't sued Congress into making the majority of the signage into dual language -- like Spanish and English -- because so many illegals can't speak English, show no desire to learn it and have begun spreading their culture across the states. Miami, Florida. The corner store now becoming the corner Bodega. Restaurants popping up serving Hispanic based foods. The increasing food aisles in stores selling Hispanic foods and snacks.

It's in the history books that Christopher Columbus, upon sighting his first American Indians, was impressed by how handsome and beautiful they looked.

I don't know where he landed, but the majority of Native Americans I've seen tend to be squat, broad faced and plump. (There's a couple of Tribes around where I live. The Mickasukee (sp) and the Seminoles.) Yes, I actually went to school with a 'Red man'. He was a Seminole Indian whose skin was a reddish hue, like a case of sunburn.

Assorted clubs and organizations have copied or adopted Native American traditions, skills and dress out of admiration. The Boy Scouts are big on this. My high school has the Fighting Indians football team. There are Tribal Meetings here in Florida that draw hundreds of non-Native Americans to experience and look at the Native way, learn Native skills, find out about Native Herbs and admire colorful Native American ceremonial dress. Ancient Native American dwelling places are often on the Protected list. (You can't go treasure hunting in the long abandoned Pueblo Cliff Dwellings and you can't dynamite them and put in an condo.)

Ancient arrowheads, still occasionally found in Florida and other states are treasured and often valuable.

Racism and discrimination is apparently part of the human condition, having apparently started when we were living in trees and throwing rotten fruit and feces at each other.

It makes little difference as to skin color or Ethnic bodily variances. Ever since we started keeping records, there are reports of discrimination, usually among folks of not only the same race, but same nationality.

Every race not only took slaves but had been enslaved themselves. Including the American Indians.

During and after WW2, when nearly every nation on Earth was united against Hitler and Japan, they poked discriminatory 'fun' at each other. Especially the Polish. Later, it was the Italians.

Every foreign immigrant to the US was discriminated against at one time or another, especially the Chinese, the Irish and the Italians.

On another level, people from different states discriminated against each other and, after the Civil War, the South was virtually demonized. However, the South did the same thing to the North -- and this still goes on to this day.

Currently, in major cities, residential areas discriminate against other residential areas -- especially those of the same skin hue. Then you can even break it down by blocks.

I won't even get started on religion. ANY religion.

Solution? The entire species has to mature for another thousand years or so.

After all, not until the late 50's were laws passed that made it illegal for a husband to beat his wife or his kids so badly they wound up in the hospital. Congress had to pass laws protecting the average citizen from the mega-rich. Later it had to pass laws protecting kids from being forced to work in hideously dangerous jobs and apply age limits.

There are 4 nationalities in my heritage and all 4 have been discriminated against at one time or another.

Yours probably have been also. Actually, there's a 99% chance of it.
 
2012-11-24 01:35:59 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: Dafatone: WhippingBoy: Dafatone: In the case of say, Victoria's Secret, it's less "OMG that's offensive!" and more "hey look, white people boiling down a culture (that was pretty much stomped out by them 150 years ago) in order to sell crap."

The "sell crap" is an important part of why this is kinda uncool.

And yes, improving reservation life is more important than getting rid of stereotypes in advertising. But it turns out, one of those requires a lot of money, time, and effort put into social change, and one requires three or four articles calling Victoria's Secret dicks.

Yeah, that's terrible. I mean, it's not like they were advertising a casino or anything.

If people want to pimp out their own culture for profit, at least it belongs to them. It still sucks, but that's their right or something.


What you call "pimping out" is called "pride in heritage" by others.

Note Red Man Pipe and Supply:

"The name of this company stands as a symbol of pride both in heritage and bootstrap achievement.
Founder Lew Ketchum was a Native American and former chief of the Delaware tribe for a dozen years. According to his son and current Red Man President Craig Ketchum, one of his father's proudest achievements was regaining federal recognition of the Delaware as a sovereign tribe at that time apart from the Cherokee nation, with which it had been lumped. Lew Ketchum chose to name his company Red Man Pipe & Supply Co. out of pride in heritage, and nobody in the company talks of changing it." 

Isn't red man an offensive term?


Offensive, sure, but it's pretty much their right to use it. "Pimp out" was a little extreme on my part, or at least, it's extreme to apply that to all cases of branding a product with culture. There are some cases where it's fitting, though. Particularly in stereotype-filled casino advertising.
 
2012-11-24 01:42:01 PM  
I've been snow skiing in some of the best places in America...

BUT, this place has its sh*t together. Link

They have changed their opinions of whitey and Mexicans in the last couple of decades...thankfully.

And Indians that ski/board are amazing athletes of the highest caliber.
 
2012-11-24 01:43:06 PM  

Spoon over Marin: How about no



Fair 'nuff.
 
2012-11-24 01:43:21 PM  

dopekitty74: FirstNationalBastard: moothemagiccow: theyre not indian

I was thinking about that when reading the article.

For someone taking such offense at people wearing headdresses and the like, she sure is throwing the word "Indian" around like a drunken Klansman hurling around attractive and successful epithets.

I'm noticing less and less use of the nomenclature of Indian in describing Native Canadians. The american "indians" should you know, maybe stop calling themselves that.

/I wonder if it bothers Indians that actually are from India?


I've asked a few Indians I know from India, and no, it does not.

Also you ignorant PC loving bastards. Native American is a horrible horrible term to call people. You do not come in to a land wipe out the populous with diseased blankets and firearms, push them farther and farther off their own land, throw them into segregated free range ghettos*, and to top it all off, name them after the land you just renamed to be your own. George Carlin had a wonderful speech about this. Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God". It is a wonderful, respectful term, unlike Native American, you ignorant PC bastards. If you don't like Indian, then take the time to find out and call them Lakota, Cherokee, or whatever their tribe actually is, it'll show a hell of a lot more respect than labeling them "Natives" in your country.

For the record, anyone being to uptight and not wanting sports teams or logos or American tribal art... get over it. The Fighting Irish don't have an issue with it, neither should you.

*I just saw that term earlier up above... I like it.
 
2012-11-24 01:50:13 PM  

Spoon over Marin: vinniethepoo: Why, in every discussion by whites about American Indians, are the U.S. Immigrants of European ancestry always collectively referred to as 'the white man?" I see it online and hear it in conversations. And always by whites.

They make it sound as though there was one single white man ... the white man, in fact ... who went around causing all the problems of all the Indian nations. It makes me think, why didn't somebody just shoot the sumbiatch so the rest of us could start getting along already?


The ManTM


well, the white man meant the US government, which had declared war on all native american tribes, and who were all white, being that blacks were slaves and all. Whether you like it or not, it WAS a white government that took land for white people only. Happened to my family too, just over a hundred years ago in Manitoba, for no reason that because we weren't white, and good land HAD to be owned by white people, so it was takin Nazi style. Big lawsuit going on about it now. It's not any persons fault today, they were just settlers from europe looking for a good life, but it IS the governments.

If the government wasn't white what was it? Blacks were slaves, natives in concentration camps, there wasn't a significant asian population on the west coast yet, and weren't part of the US then.

It would at least be a start if Native Americans at LEAST had the same health codes as the rest of the country. Alot today still don't have running water, while living in -40 weather half the year. You do that and see how happy you are.
 
2012-11-24 01:54:49 PM  

Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".


I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.
 
2012-11-24 01:59:35 PM  

FriarReb98: Barfmaker: That's not really helpful.

But it is truthful. Unless it's a comedy, it's most likely that a culture's imagery is being used to convey a mood or style that they look up to. And if it's a comedy, it's a farking joke and people like She Who Has Stick Up Her Butt That Has Stick Up Its Butt should just get over it.

\Political Correctness is killing comedy slowly but surely, and comedy should fight back.
\\and for the record, I'm part Mikmaq and I went to a school where the mascot is an Indian.


Political Correctness is killing your lack of context since the earth was born. I want to punch anybody who thinks that PC is a new thing, or is changing things. Not pissing off people is ok. Say it with me.
 
2012-11-24 02:00:07 PM  

Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".

I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.


Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.
 
2012-11-24 02:02:50 PM  
Wait.... There's a Hispanic month?
 
2012-11-24 02:03:47 PM  

dugitman: Speak for yourself, paleface. I asked a question, and she answered it giving context to her familiarity with the subject(with qualified self-deprecating humor). That's kinda what we do on discussion forums in adultland.


BTW: Thanks for the month of TF.
 
2012-11-24 02:04:42 PM  

howdoibegin: Not pissing off people is ok. Say it with me.


I had something snarky lined up, but we have more than enough snark here.

Not pissing off people is OK.
 
2012-11-24 02:08:58 PM  
What's to celebrate? Being thousands of years behind on wheel technology?
 
2012-11-24 02:09:58 PM  

Quantumbunny: Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.

When he landed in the Antilles, Columbus referred to the resident peoples he encountered there as "Indians" in the mistaken belief that he had reached the Indian Ocean.[3] Although Columbus' mistake was soon recognized, the name stuck; for centuries the native people of the Americas were collectively called "Indians." This misnomer was perpetuated in place naming; the islands of the Caribbean were named, and are still known as, the West Indies.


Wiki pops
 
2012-11-24 02:10:45 PM  
Came for the fake Indian outrage, leaving surprised she's an actual Injun. And atleast she didn't throw out that "don't say 'Indian' it's offensive" canard.

Seriously who gives a shiat.
 
2012-11-24 02:12:11 PM  

Quantumbunny:
I've asked a few Indians I know from India, and no, it does not.

Also you ignorant PC loving bastards. Native American is a horrible horrible term to call people. You do not come in to a land wipe out the populous with diseased blankets and firearms, push them farther and farther off their own land, throw them into segregated free range ghettos*, and to top it all off, name them after the land you just renamed to be your own. George Carlin had a wonderful speech about this. Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God". It is a wonderful, respectful term, unlike Native American, you ignorant PC bastards. If you don't like Indian, then take the time to find out and call them Lakota, Cherokee, or whatever their tribe actually is, it'll show a hell of a lot more respect than labeling them "Natives" in your country.


You and Carlin are both full of shiat. Indian, meaning they thought they were in farking India.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1966/does-indian-derive-fro m- columbuss-description-of-native-americans-as-una-gente-in-dios

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Indian&allowed_in_frame=0

Now stop spreading this nonsense.
 
2012-11-24 02:14:02 PM  

Snowflake Tubbybottom: What's to celebrate? Being thousands of years behind on wheel technology?


Whoa, that's racist.
 
2012-11-24 02:18:27 PM  
It's called a costume.

They're used to dress up and play make believe.

Playing dress up and make believe is a way to indulge yourself in fantasies that are not available to you in real life.

This is a good thing.
 
2012-11-24 02:22:31 PM  

moothemagiccow: Quantumbunny:
I've asked a few Indians I know from India, and no, it does not.

Also you ignorant PC loving bastards. Native American is a horrible horrible term to call people. You do not come in to a land wipe out the populous with diseased blankets and firearms, push them farther and farther off their own land, throw them into segregated free range ghettos*, and to top it all off, name them after the land you just renamed to be your own. George Carlin had a wonderful speech about this. Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God". It is a wonderful, respectful term, unlike Native American, you ignorant PC bastards. If you don't like Indian, then take the time to find out and call them Lakota, Cherokee, or whatever their tribe actually is, it'll show a hell of a lot more respect than labeling them "Natives" in your country.


You and Carlin are both full of shiat. Indian, meaning they thought they were in farking India.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1966/does-indian-derive-fro m- columbuss-description-of-native-americans-as-una-gente-in-dios

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Indian&allowed_in_frame=0

Now stop spreading this nonsense.


Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.

When he landed in the Antilles, Columbus referred to the resident peoples he encountered there as "Indians" in the mistaken belief that he had reached the Indian Ocean.[3] Although Columbus' mistake was soon recognized, the name stuck; for centuries the native people of the Americas were collectively called "Indians." This misnomer was perpetuated in place naming; the islands of the Caribbean were named, and are still known as, the West Indies.

Wiki pops


Should I concede that point, you'd still be factually wrong, as Columbus was not first. It's know the Vikings did by a few hundreds years, perhaps the Chinese, Polynesians, and I've seen a few less substantiated theories about Africans.
 
2012-11-24 02:23:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: "indian" doesn't mean "in dios"

Now stop spreading this nonsense.


A Cherokee elder (I'm not with the tribe, just visiting) got up and told us this before a dance once. It's not just an outsider's nonsense.
 
2012-11-24 02:25:21 PM  

Rik01: gopher321

As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

Nope.

Probably because it wasn't yammered about by the media and schools like Black History Month is, complete with little infomercials informing everyone about what Great Things assorted Black People have accomplished and nearly every city in the US has a Martin Luther King street. Nor do they have an obscure, 'native' holiday dug up and shoved on the people like 'Kwanzaa' was nor educated professors ...


Find me some non-native's living without water, education, economies, healthcare and hundreds of miles from civilization today in america. Find me a treaty the natives have broken with the US government.

i'll be waiting.

It's not the past, as bad as it was, it's the fact the present hasn't really changed from the past, It's 2012 and there's Canadian and American born and raised citizen's have to boil water just to survive. Of course, this isn't the general populations fault, they're just living their lives. This articles just farking stupid though.
 
2012-11-24 02:27:20 PM  

Posh Naranek: Came for the fake Indian outrage, leaving surprised she's an actual Injun. And atleast she didn't throw out that "don't say 'Indian' it's offensive" canard.

Seriously who gives a shiat.


The proper nomenclature is "Wagon Burner", or "Cowboy Killer". "Blanket-Ass" is unacceptable.
 
2012-11-24 02:36:53 PM  

Posh Naranek: moothemagiccow: "indian" doesn't mean "in dios"

Now stop spreading this nonsense.

A Cherokee elder (I'm not with the tribe, just visiting) got up and told us this before a dance once. It's not just an outsider's nonsense.


It's horseshiat masquerading as "the truth" like conspiracy theories. No one said it was exclusive horseshiat. The heathen natives who they killed or converted to christianity were obviously not god's people. That doesn't even make sense. Columbus's first letters refer to the "las Indias," the Indies. "In" is not even a Spanish preposition.
 
2012-11-24 02:58:48 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: "Blanket-Ass" is unacceptable.


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IIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiii can't hear you... bring me more white women scalps Tonto!
 
2012-11-24 03:02:00 PM  

coco ebert: dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.

I heard a report on this issue. There's something of a loophole that gets created when the offenders are non-Indian (conflicting legal sovereignties, etc.), so people are working to close that gap.


Just a thought on my part, but I wonder if that report directly ties it to the poverty that many NA's live in, considering that poverty is often a direct cause of a lot of those issues? (Am in between chores right now so I don't really have time to read the whole thing)
 
2012-11-24 03:05:51 PM  

gopher321: As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

Nope.


As the make up less than 1% of the population do they even rate a whole month.

Is it not culturally insenstive to lump all American Indian tribes into one group? There are major differencies between them just as there are differencies between Swedes and Greeks (white people) or Koreans and Japanese (Asians).
 
2012-11-24 03:10:24 PM  

taliesinwi: Ready-set: WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

By blood is mostly Irish. I noticed in the commentaries for one of the best satirical tv shows ever, The Simpsons, the writers said the Irish were the easiest to make fun of. Nobody stands up.

No big deal, but look up INNA in American history.

I'm not too sensitive. EVERY culture is a bit F'd up. Get over yourselves.

You mean NINA and that has largely been shown to be a virtual myth in America.

Yes, someone on here is going to chime in they have a relative that remembers seeing a sign in a shop window in New York. I have friends that swear up and down that Star Wars had the subtitle "A New Hope" way back in 1977. Doesn't make them right either.


Ok. So the degree to which Americans discriminated against Irish people is questionable. I'm sure you don't know the actual number of signs that were hung either. How about anti-Catholic feelings then? It was an issue for Kennedy.

Point is: know your history, and call it history.
 
2012-11-24 03:13:23 PM  

Snowflake Tubbybottom: What's to celebrate? Being thousands of years behind on wheel technology?


But they totally nailed that whole bead making thing.
 
2012-11-24 03:32:15 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Nogale: Actually, according to the tagline, she's a member of the Pueblo nation.

True story, you can order anything from Pueblo, Colorado.


But does she know what the queers are doing to the soil?

/better not be obscure
 
2012-11-24 03:36:02 PM  

Posh Naranek: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: "Blanket-Ass" is unacceptable.

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IIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiii can't hear you... bring me more white women scalps Tonto!


You see them? They darker than US!!

Only Mel Brooks could get away with this shiat. The day someone protests *Blazing Saddles* will be a sad day, my friend, but it's bound to happen.
 
2012-11-24 03:38:27 PM  
CH-21 Shawnee

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H-34 Choctaw

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H-37 Mojave

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CH-54 Tarhe

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UH-1 Iroquois (Huey)

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OH-6 Cayuse

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OH-58 Kiowa

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AH-1 Apache

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2012-11-24 03:43:10 PM  

hasty ambush: CH-21 Shawnee

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H-34 Choctaw

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H-37 Mojave

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CH-54 Tarhe

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OH-6 Cayuse

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OH-58 Kiowa

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Hey! Don't forget the CH-47 Chinook!

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2012-11-24 04:07:55 PM  
2nd ID

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36th ID

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45 ID

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98th Infantry Division 

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179 Infantry Reg 

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2012-11-24 04:07:58 PM  

coscausticevil: i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful. it really needs to end, but it won't stop unless people do something about it. we would need a lot of people on board to finally stop the disrespect. a large, well trained group of people who can recognize offensive use of native imagery. yeah, like an army. then this "army" could round up all offensive mascots, headdresses, dream catchers, etc and stop ignorant people from dishonoring them. maybe put Native American symbols in their own special place, some place just for them where they could stay apart from the rest of American culture. anybody with me?


If you're American Indian, by all means, get your knickers in a twist if, for some reason, you feel offended or disrespected.

If you're not American Indian, do not speak for me. Do not get offended on my behalf or that of my family or tribes. Do not tell me I should feel disrespected or angry on behalf of my family, tribes, or ancestors. My grandmother was a full-blooded American Indian who married a white man. My mother is half who also married a white man. I am one-fourth and I also married a white man (who I divorced because he was an asshole, not because he was white). All of my sisters married white men, and one of my brothers married a Puerto Rican woman. Several of my cousins married black men. I have dated Latinos, black men, and Asian men, as well as an Indian man (from India).

I was raised to believe it is a person's character, not their skin color, that attracts or repels people. It is a person's words and actions that offend and a person's words and actions that are disrespectful. To call a sports team "Chiefs" or "Indians" or "Redskins" (which happens to be my favorite football team) is neither offensive nor disrespectful to me as an American Indian... but then, I do not look for reasons to be offended.

What is offensive and disrespectful was what happened to American Indians in the 1800s. It is no less offensive and disrespectful than what happened to the blacks in much of the world throughout the 1700s and 1800s, what happened to the Jews in Europe and the Japanese Americans (though it doesn't even come close to a comparison to what the Jews suffered) in the 1940s, what is happening to Christians in parts of the world today, what is happening to women in parts of Africa today, what is happening to gays and lesbians in parts of the world today...the list goes on. The difference is that we don't live in the 1800s anymore, the Federal Government of the United States of America has recognized the grievous wrong committed against the American Indian, and has restored some areas of land - however small in comparison to the size of the areas the tribes once controlled - to sovereign control of the tribes and has made monetary reparations - however small - to the descendants of those whose names are on the Dawes and Oakes Rolls (census taken before and after the Trail of Tears). The US Government has paid - as best they could - for their crimes. It is well past time we let history BE history; learn from it so that it can never be repeated, but recognize that this is America - a place where many cultures come together and, hopefully, we take the best of all of them to become something new.

Pretty hard to be an American from the United States when everyone's so busy biatching and being offended over something they never suffered while pointing the finger at someone who never farking oppressed them.
 
2012-11-24 04:10:34 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: hasty ambush: CH-21 Shawnee

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H-34 Choctaw

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H-37 Mojave

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CH-54 Tarhe

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UH-1 Iroquois (Huey)

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OH-6 Cayuse

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OH-58 Kiowa

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AH-1 Apache

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Hey! Don't forget the CH-47 Chinook!

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oops
 
2012-11-24 04:12:17 PM  

RexTalionis: FriarReb98: And if it's a comedy, it's a farking joke and people like She Who Has Stick Up Her Butt That Has Stick Up Its Butt should just get over it.

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Yeah, that's horribly racist but this

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

is just fine.

Actually, it is fine. Get over it.people. Stereotypes can be funny. There's no need to get offended at every little thing.
 
2012-11-24 04:23:00 PM  
Freedom of Expression and the alledged right to not be offended cannot coexist.
 
2012-11-24 04:29:09 PM  

coco ebert: dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.

I heard a report on this issue. There's something of a loophole that gets created when the offenders are non-Indian (conflicting legal sovereignties, etc.), so people are working to close that gap.


So you're saying it's legal to rape NA women? Or just that you cannot be prosecuted for it?

Somehow I find that impossible to believe.
 
2012-11-24 04:31:45 PM  

Aigoo: coscausticevil: i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful. it really needs to end, but it won't stop unless people do something about it. we would need a lot of people on board to finally stop the disrespect. a large, well trained group of people who can recognize offensive use of native imagery. yeah, like an army. then this "army" could round up all offensive mascots, headdresses, dream catchers, etc and stop ignorant people from dishonoring them. maybe put Native American symbols in their own special place, some place just for them where they could stay apart from the rest of American culture. anybody with me?

If you're American Indian, by all means, get your knickers in a twist if, for some reason, you feel offended or disrespected.

If you're not American Indian, do not speak for me. Do not get offended on my behalf or that of my family or tribes. Do not tell me I should feel disrespected or angry on behalf of my family, tribes, or ancestors. My grandmother was a full-blooded American Indian who married a white man. My mother is half who also married a white man. I am one-fourth and I also married a white man (who I divorced because he was an asshole, not because he was white). All of my sisters married white men, and one of my brothers married a Puerto Rican woman. Several of my cousins married black men. I have dated Latinos, black men, and Asian men, as well as an Indian man (from India).

I was raised to believe it is a person's character, not their skin color, that attracts or repels people. It is a person's words and actions that offend and a person's words and actions that are disrespectful. To call a sports team "Chiefs" or "Indians" or "Redskins" (which happens to be my favorite football team) is neither offensive nor disrespectful to me as an American Indian... but then, I do not look for reasons to be offended.

What is offensive and disrespectful was what happened to American Indians in the 1800s. It is ...


Well said.  Now, serious question.  Not trying to get off topic, but I always like to hear from Native  Americans on it.  How do you personally feel about Native American sports mascots like the Redskins, Chiefs, Indians, etc.
 
2012-11-24 04:34:53 PM  
I don't want my fake children "playing indian" mainly because I think letting them pretend to be jobless, alcoholic women-beaters sends kind of a bad message.
 
2012-11-24 04:43:04 PM  

Aigoo: coscausticevil: i can't believe people still think this kind of thing isn't offensive and disrespectful. it really needs to end, but it won't stop unless people do something about it. we would need a lot of people on board to finally stop the disrespect. a large, well trained group of people who can recognize offensive use of native imagery. yeah, like an army. then this "army" could round up all offensive mascots, headdresses, dream catchers, etc and stop ignorant people from dishonoring them. maybe put Native American symbols in their own special place, some place just for them where they could stay apart from the rest of American culture. anybody with me?

If you're American Indian, by all means, get your knickers in a twist if, for some reason, you feel offended or disrespected.

If you're not American Indian, do not speak for me. Do not get offended on my behalf or that of my family or tribes. Do not tell me I should feel disrespected or angry on behalf of my family, tribes, or ancestors. My grandmother was a full-blooded American Indian who married a white man. My mother is half who also married a white man. I am one-fourth and I also married a white man (who I divorced because he was an asshole, not because he was white). All of my sisters married white men, and one of my brothers married a Puerto Rican woman. Several of my cousins married black men. I have dated Latinos, black men, and Asian men, as well as an Indian man (from India).

I was raised to believe it is a person's character, not their skin color, that attracts or repels people. It is a person's words and actions that offend and a person's words and actions that are disrespectful. To call a sports team "Chiefs" or "Indians" or "Redskins" (which happens to be my favorite football team) is neither offensive nor disrespectful to me as an American Indian... but then, I do not look for reasons to be offended.

What is offensive and disrespectful was what happened to American Indians in the 1800s. It is ...


THIS.
AND... the article states "In addition, what lies at the core of these sexually charged fetishizations of Native women is an ongoing fight to protect the safety of Native women."
First of all, there is an on-going fight to protect all women, everywhere, throughout history.
Second, as a women of Native American AND European genetics, I would like to ask where is the month that also honors my Caucasian heritage?
Third, I also agree with the previous poster and if you insist on removing all improper vestiges of your culture, then I concur and formally request that the traditional ceremony 'garb' of our European cultural and religious leaders (i.e. robes, princesses, tiaras, pageants, precious stones & metals, carriages, the colours of purple, red, white, and green, all slippers, sceptors, art, music, kissing cousins marriages, and throne-like furniture) be respected as our cultural heritage & halted in all parody forms of Halloween costumes, movies, cartoons, commercials, ads, toys, teams, Insert-Rightious-Indignation-HERE, etc.
AND 4th, may I point out, that no other archtype of women has been more subjected to "sexually charged fetishizations" and exploitations than we, the blonde hair & blue eyed ladies of Caucasian descent...
Are you prepared to defend us, too?

/put that in their collective pipes & sm0ke it...
 
2012-11-24 04:44:34 PM  

downstairs: Well said. Now, serious question. Not trying to get off topic, but I always like to hear from Native Americans on it. How do you personally feel about Native American sports mascots like the Redskins, Chiefs, Indians, etc


Since my post was a bit on the TL;DR side, I copypasta'd the relevant part: To call a sports team "Chiefs" or "Indians" or "Redskins" (which happens to be my favorite football team) is neither offensive nor disrespectful to me as an American Indian.

If the team is Redskins, Chiefs, Indians, the mascot will reflect that.

Redskins mascot:

www.footballbabble.com

Not an issue for me, but neither was the Victoria's Secret or No Doubt things, either. Difference is, the 'Skins mascot (and logo, which is an Indian in profile) is actually relevant, the underwear model in a headdress and music video weren't, but neither were they offensive to me. Imitation is one of the most sincere forms of flattery (and VS models and Stefani look good in anything they wear - it's not like it was Rosie O'Donnell or Raseanne Barr FFS, so WTF is the problem?
 
2012-11-24 04:45:29 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-24 04:51:45 PM  

Quantumbunny: Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".

I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.

Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.


So I'm Norwegian, actually, and recently wondered how cardamom got to be such a big part of traditional Scandinavian cooking. It's an Indian spice, after all, and it needs a lot of light and heat to grow.

Turns out the Vikings established trade with India via the Silk Road possibly before 1000 and certainly by 1156.

The stereotype of Vikings as horn-helmeted stupid barbarians is cute and all but in the real world they were clever tradesmen and explorers.

And while Columbus learned of his mistake in his lifetime, he truly believed he had made it to India when he reached North America. The appellation stuck, unfortunately.
 
2012-11-24 05:14:41 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Quantumbunny: Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".

I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.

Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.

So I'm Norwegian, actually, and recently wondered how cardamom got to be such a big part of traditional Scandinavian cooking. It's an Indian spice, after all, and it needs a lot of light and heat to grow.

Turns out the Vikings established trade with India via the Silk Road possibly before 1000 and certainly by 1156.

The stereotype of Vikings as horn-helmeted stupid barbarians is cute and all but in the real world they were clever tradesmen and explorers.

And while Columbus learned of his mistake in his lifetime, he truly believed he had made it to India when he reached North America. The appellation stuck, unfortunately.


LOL! He thought he landed in the West Indies, not India.
 
2012-11-24 05:21:41 PM  

Nogale: Clemkadidlefark: Jenni Monet is a member of Native American Public Telecommunications, and a native of the Laguna Pueblo. Lives in Brooklyn.

Her film work is paid for by ... you guessed it ... rich white guilt riddled liberals otherwise known as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, with tax dollars taken from you against your will.

Speaks English, Spanish and Italian. Does not list Keresan, which would be her native language if Laguna. So, maybe she should cease pretending to be Italian.

This is the Butthurt Report Form in all its glory. (and a sure way to rise in the ranks of CNN ... condemn other Americans for being mean and insensitive)

And no, Braves fans are not going to stop doing the "chop".

Come on. What percentage of Native Americans - especially her generation - speak more than a few words of their nation's language?


But you see ... if she wants to dabble in Italian/Spanish culture, live in Brooklyn, take up Western Civilization, suckle the teats of the Yankee White Man's culture and make her money off the white guilt of liberals and gather unto herself the tax dollars many of us resent the hell out of being used to shift the culture away from the Constitution, the least the woman could do is be honest about her intentions.

As in being a tick.

Living off her host. Then scolding the host which feeds her with my tax dollars.

Is that clearer?
 
2012-11-24 05:27:46 PM  
Is fapping to Jeanette Littledove videos still okay? This article doesn't make this point clear to me at all...
 
2012-11-24 05:34:35 PM  

24.media.tumblr.com

Cry for the Indians



(Went gold in 1987)

Also...

Link

Just in case you want to emulate / mock any of my heritage(s) I'm half Scottish and half French. The French half is also Jewish.

/That's right, Scottish and Jewish
//I should be the cheapest person in the world
///Or, as father would say, "Verra thrifty!"
 
2012-11-24 05:48:13 PM  

wallywam1: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Quantumbunny: Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".

I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.

Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.

So I'm Norwegian, actually, and recently wondered how cardamom got to be such a big part of traditional Scandinavian cooking. It's an Indian spice, after all, and it needs a lot of light and heat to grow.

Turns out the Vikings established trade with India via the Silk Road possibly before 1000 and certainly by 1156.

The stereotype of Vikings as horn-helmeted stupid barbarians is cute and all but in the real world they were clever tradesmen and explorers.

And while Columbus learned of his mistake in his lifetime, he truly believed he had made it to India when he reached North America. The appellation stuck, unfortunately.

LOL! He thought he landed in the West Indies, not India.


12/10. Maybe 13. This is brilliant.
 
2012-11-24 06:06:41 PM  

dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.


Shockingly, Native women are being raped and killed by Native men. Kind of like black women are raped and killed by black men, white women by white men, etc. Crimes of violence are predominantly crimes of opportunity.

The high rates on reservations are due in large part to the appallingly high rates of poverty and alcoholism on the reservation, compounded by the low rate of law enforcement, and the closed society that refuses to cooperate with outside authorities.
 
2012-11-24 06:24:36 PM  

DubtodaIll: What is this place you speak of? It's always been strange to me for people to deny their own nature. I you've ever travelled anywhere outside the USA you quickly realize that America is the least racist place on earth.


And yet to an outsider, Americans seem spectacularly obsessed with race. That's not just skin colour; it's people claiming to be Scottish because their great great grandfather came from Dundee, or counting the number of Indian tribes they belong too. It's as if race so permeates the national consciousness that without racial affiliation, and preferably multiple racial affiliations you're a lesser person.

The idea that universities could even ask about racial affiliation on applications forms, let alone act on it to decide what grades you need to get admitted is completely alien - and for that matter completely illegal - in Europe.
 
2012-11-24 06:36:37 PM  

dready zim: Whilst on the topic, if you were born in Ireland, you are Irish. If you were born in America, you are American and if you were born in England you are English.

You are not Irish if you were born in America.


Even if you subsequently moved to Ireland? With your Irish parents? Two weeks after you were born in America while they were on holiday?
 
2012-11-24 06:39:29 PM  

vinniethepoo: Why, in every discussion by whites about American Indians, are the U.S. Immigrants of European ancestry always collectively referred to as 'the white man?" I see it online and hear it in conversations.


Shouldn't the destruction of Central and Southern American peoples and cultures be blamed in The Hispanic Man?
 
2012-11-24 06:58:46 PM  

hasty ambush: 2nd ID

[www.perretsarmysurplus.com image 300x348]

36th ID

[www.medalsofamerica.com image 300x300]

45 ID

[www.ushmm.org image 320x209] 

98th Infantry Division 

[d2qss72tiioiku.cloudfront.net image 458x595]

179 Infantry Reg 

[www.45thdivision.org image 104x153]

180th Infantry Reg.

[www.45thdivision.org image 104x119] 

182nd Infantry Reg

[www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil image 133x150]


I don't know anything about the other patches, but my beloved 98th (before most of us got switched to Ft. Lewis command) is because the Iroquois nation was mostly centered in this area. As far as I know, that choice for our patch was intended as an honor.
 
2012-11-24 07:35:58 PM  

Rincewind53: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

[content.remaxtexas.com image 500x750]

Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue, and no one has a problem with it. What they have a problem with are people doing the equivalent of wearing blackface. Not cool.


Just like plastic paddies pretending to be Irish on St Parick's Day?
 
2012-11-24 07:41:52 PM  

Dafatone: wallywam1: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Quantumbunny: Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".

I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.

Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.

So I'm Norwegian, actually, and recently wondered how cardamom got to be such a big part of traditional Scandinavian cooking. It's an Indian spice, after all, and it needs a lot of light and heat to grow.

Turns out the Vikings established trade with India via the Silk Road possibly before 1000 and certainly by 1156.

The stereotype of Vikings as horn-helmeted stupid barbarians is cute and all but in the real world they were clever tradesmen and explorers.

And while Columbus learned of his mistake in his lifetime, he truly believed he had made it to India when he reached North America. The appellation stuck, unfortunately.

LOL! He thought he landed in the West Indies, not India.

12/10. Maybe 13. This is brilliant.


My first thought was Indiana but that was just too ham handed. Sometimes you have to put in the extra effort.
 
2012-11-24 07:43:52 PM  

illannoyin: [24.media.tumblr.com image 347x646]

Cry for the Indians

(Went gold in 1987)

Also...

Link

Just in case you want to emulate / mock any of my heritage(s) I'm half Scottish and half French. The French half is also Jewish.

/That's right, Scottish and Jewish
//I should be the cheapest person in the world
///Or, as father would say, "Verra thrifty!"


upload.wikimedia.org
'82
 
2012-11-24 08:50:44 PM  

Happy Hours: coco ebert: dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
 
I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.

I heard a report on this issue. There's something of a loophole that gets created when the offenders are non-Indian (conflicting legal sovereignties, etc.), so people are working to close that gap.

So you're saying it's legal to rape NA women? Or just that you cannot be prosecuted for it?

Somehow I find that impossible to believe.


Link
 
2012-11-24 10:39:44 PM  

orbister: vinniethepoo: Why, in every discussion by whites about American Indians, are the U.S. Immigrants of European ancestry always collectively referred to as 'the white man?" I see it online and hear it in conversations.

Shouldn't the destruction of Central and Southern American peoples and cultures be blamed in The Hispanic Man?


Spaniards from Europe are white, yo. Especially then.
 
2012-11-24 10:41:56 PM  

wallywam1: Dafatone: wallywam1: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Quantumbunny: Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".

I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.

Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.

So I'm Norwegian, actually, and recently wondered how cardamom got to be such a big part of traditional Scandinavian cooking. It's an Indian spice, after all, and it needs a lot of light and heat to grow.

Turns out the Vikings established trade with India via the Silk Road possibly before 1000 and certainly by 1156.

The stereotype of Vikings as horn-helmeted stupid barbarians is cute and all but in the real world they were clever tradesmen and explorers.

And while Columbus learned of his mistake in his lifetime, he truly believed he had made it to India when he reached North America. The appellation stuck, unfortunately.

LOL! He thought he landed in the West Indies, not India.

12/10. Maybe 13. This is brilliant.

My first thought was Indiana but that was just too ham handed. Sometimes you have to put in the extra effort.


You had me THIS close to biting on it.
 
2012-11-25 12:01:39 AM  

beta_plus: You know, it's partly my own fault, but this could have been a thread of hot chicks in Indian bikinis. I will know try to pay reparations.

[www.southdreamz.com image 586x825]

/yeah, I know she's 7-11 not Casino Indian
//if you really care that much you're either gay or need to serious adjust your priorities.



Dayana Mendoza is "7-11 Indian"?
 
2012-11-25 12:14:00 AM  
If she is hot and the outfit is sexy then let them borrow from every culture!
 
2012-11-25 12:22:46 AM  
img.photobucket.com

I do not care if it is politically incorrect or culturally insensitive or anything else, I will gladly run smoke the peace pipe with her!
 
2012-11-25 12:24:37 AM  
er, run her through with my sabre or smoke the peace pipe with her.
 
2012-11-25 12:28:33 AM  
favim.com
 
2012-11-25 01:01:20 AM  

coco ebert: So you're saying it's legal to rape NA women? Or just that you cannot be prosecuted for it?

Somehow I find that impossible to believe.

Link


So the problem is that if it didn't happen on a reservation and/or was't committed by a member of the tribe it cannot be prosecuted in their tribal courts?

Where's the part that says it cannot be prosecuted in state or federal court even if it happened on tribal land by a tribe member?
 
2012-11-25 02:15:31 AM  

Happy Hours: coco ebert: So you're saying it's legal to rape NA women? Or just that you cannot be prosecuted for it?

Somehow I find that impossible to believe.

Link

So the problem is that if it didn't happen on a reservation and/or was't committed by a member of the tribe it cannot be prosecuted in their tribal courts?

Where's the part that says it cannot be prosecuted in state or federal court even if it happened on tribal land by a tribe member?


It must be prosecutable by state or federal courts; because there are plenty of Natives in state and federal courts for crimes committed on tribal lands.
 
2012-11-25 02:42:42 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Happy Hours: coco ebert: So you're saying it's legal to rape NA women? Or just that you cannot be prosecuted for it?

Somehow I find that impossible to believe.

Link

So the problem is that if it didn't happen on a reservation and/or was't committed by a member of the tribe it cannot be prosecuted in their tribal courts?

Where's the part that says it cannot be prosecuted in state or federal court even if it happened on tribal land by a tribe member?

It must be prosecutable by state or federal courts; because there are plenty of Natives in state and federal courts for crimes committed on tribal lands.


Land of the free, home of the brave; except where applicable by law.

/what a country
 
2012-11-25 02:54:47 AM  
Wait, we beat them in a war fair and square and they still get their own month?

Seriously though, I didn't know November was Native American Month.
 
2012-11-25 03:07:41 AM  

HoratioGates: Wait, we beat them in a war fair and square and they still get their own month?

Seriously though, I didn't know November was Native American Month.


blarg.hexplosion.com 

/cleverly obscure
//muahahahahahahahahaha
 
2012-11-25 04:17:09 AM  

coco ebert: So you're saying it's legal to rape NA women? Or just that you cannot be prosecuted for it?

Somehow I find that impossible to believe.

Link


You cannot be prosecuted under tribal law if you are not part of the tribe, or district, or whatever you want to call it.

Say, for example, if the perpetrator of ANY crime is an average white man and a US citizen. US and state laws and procedures still apply if that guy commits a crime, no matter who the victim is.

What they're striving for is more akin to Sharia Law, above and beyond Federal/State law, and why it's pretty much ignored by any one with an IQ over 70 and not some hate mongering zealot.
 
2012-11-25 04:45:37 AM  

omeganuepsilon: coco ebert: So you're saying it's legal to rape NA women? Or just that you cannot be prosecuted for it?

Somehow I find that impossible to believe.

Link

You cannot be prosecuted under tribal law if you are not part of the tribe, or district, or whatever you want to call it.

Say, for example, if the perpetrator of ANY crime is an average white man and a US citizen. US and state laws and procedures still apply if that guy commits a crime, no matter who the victim is.

What they're striving for is more akin to Sharia Law, above and beyond Federal/State law, and why it's pretty much ignored by any one with an IQ over 70 and not some hate mongering zealot.


Hindu is not Muslim.
 
2012-11-25 04:46:52 AM  
and hamburgers are awesome.

/Glad I was born at The Vatican.
 
2012-11-25 05:51:16 AM  

Dafatone: orbister: Shouldn't the destruction of Central and Southern American peoples and cultures be blamed in The Hispanic Man?

Spaniards from Europe are white, yo. Especially then.


Spaniards from Europe are darker than Germans from Europe, on average. Yo.
 
2012-11-25 08:53:09 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Quantumbunny: Barfmaker: Quantumbunny: Historically, the term Indian when referring to the tribes of NA comes from the Spanish "In Dios", or "In God".

I read that it was because the first people who landed here thought they were in India.

Let's see... the Vikings predated him by hundreds of years, but they had no concept of India. The Chinese may have made it, though the evidence backing that isn't very extensive... and Columbus knew quite well he was not in India, so I wonder to whom you would be referring.

So I'm Norwegian, actually, and recently wondered how cardamom got to be such a big part of traditional Scandinavian cooking. It's an Indian spice, after all, and it needs a lot of light and heat to grow.

Turns out the Vikings established trade with India via the Silk Road possibly before 1000 and certainly by 1156.

The stereotype of Vikings as horn-helmeted stupid barbarians is cute and all but in the real world they were clever tradesmen and explorers.

And while Columbus learned of his mistake in his lifetime, he truly believed he had made it to India when he reached North America. The appellation stuck, unfortunately.


I will have to look into that. Go VIkings, I suppose.
 
2012-11-25 11:06:48 AM  

orbister: Dafatone: orbister: Shouldn't the destruction of Central and Southern American peoples and cultures be blamed in The Hispanic Man?

Spaniards from Europe are white, yo. Especially then.

Spaniards from Europe are darker than Germans from Europe, on average. Yo.


Uh, yes? So are Italians. Doesn't mean either of them are hispanic.
 
2012-11-25 11:52:11 AM  

ladyfortuna: hasty ambush: 2nd ID

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36th ID

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45 ID

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98th Infantry Division 

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179 Infantry Reg 

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180th Infantry Reg.

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182nd Infantry Reg

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I don't know anything about the other patches, but my beloved 98th (before most of us got switched to Ft. Lewis command) is because the Iroquois nation was mostly centered in this area. As far as I know, that choice for our patch was intended as an honor.


Most are. I do not believe the military's line of thought was to ridicule a group by naming a military unit or a weapon system after them. If I were an American Indian tribe with a warrior tradition I might want to know why my tribe had not yet been so honored like others.
 
2012-11-25 12:00:33 PM  
Oh Indians, why don't you just sit back and have a a few drinks and relax. I'll see that you get back to your Teepee and make sure that you get a nice warm blanket.
 
2012-11-25 12:25:40 PM  
What the stats about non-native men attacking women isn't telling you is that the non-native men committing the majority of these attacks are the dregs of any society be they white black or Hispanic but also that they are their mothers live in boyfriends who are hiding on the reservation to avoid law enforcement or paying child support on their many children sired where they come from. Pedophiles find a way to get invited in the door and when one gets busted it comes out that the mother knew but didn't want to the boyfriend's money to go away. When these activists start screaming about non-native men getting away with crimes what they aren't saying is that they are getting away because it's not reported or the mother calls their children liars.
 
2012-11-25 02:22:08 PM  
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2012-11-25 03:31:20 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: HoratioGates: Wait, we beat them in a war fair and square and they still get their own month?

Seriously though, I didn't know November was Native American Month.

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//muahahahahahahahahaha


A German woman was walked through a dark alley when twelve Polish men jumped out, grabbed her, and started to rape her. She started screaming, "Nein! Nein! Nein!" So three of the guys left.
 
2012-11-25 06:19:41 PM  
Reminds me of a comedian at the Cherokee National Holiday a couple years ago. "You might be surprised to know I'm Cherokee...yeah, I know, I don't have my casino shirt on."
 
2012-11-27 03:45:06 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Reminds me of a comedian at the Cherokee National Holiday a couple years ago. "You might be surprised to know I'm Cherokee...yeah, I know, I don't have my casino shirt on."


I read a couple of years back that at least one tribe out in the SW is taking the casino money, buying back their old land, and reverting it to wetland and/or whatever the natural ecosystem was 100+ years ago. As a certified treehugger, I have no problem with that. Stupid people let their gambling addictions get the better of them, previous residents of said land take money and restore that land...

/carry on
//Salute
 
2012-11-27 09:23:15 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Her film work is paid for by ... you guessed it ... rich white guilt riddled liberals otherwise known as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, with tax dollars taken from you against your will.


If you really think public broadcasting isn't neutral, then compared to your world view, reality has a liberal bias.
 
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