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(Huffington Post Canada)   Canada undergoing the largest meat recall in Canadian history. The Canadian governments natural course of action now is to: c) Fire the very kind of inspectors that spotted the problem in the first place   (huffingtonpost.ca) divider line 77
    More: Scary, Canadian History, Beyond the Border, XL Foods, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Canadians, farming, Wally Piatkowski, food recalls  
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2012-11-24 01:44:50 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: TFA: Under the "Beyond The Border" deal announced by both countries in December, duplicate inspections will be phased out to improve the flow of meat and poultry across the border. A pilot project moving toward a streamlined inspection regimen began this week.


*looks at today's date*


I'm hoping you're claiming this is old news instead of being confused by how last year had a month named "December" in it.
 
2012-11-24 01:45:14 PM  
Old article is old.
 
2012-11-24 01:52:09 PM  
In before the "HAHA! That is how zoshalsm werks!" comments
 
2012-11-24 01:54:30 PM  
How many governments does Canada have, subby?
 
2012-11-24 02:06:14 PM  
Its the invisible hand of the market.

1. Meat industry gives money to politicians who are appointed to oversee the regulators charged with keeping people from being poisoned by food sold by said meat industry.

2. If regulators find something bad AND report it, they are subject to retaliation.

3. Because no one actually sees the hand that hands the money to the politicians, said hand is invisible to the unwashed masses who will be poisoned by the food.

Rinse and repeat.
 
2012-11-24 02:10:12 PM  

Malcolm_Sex: Canada used to look so promising. We're going to be hurting for a long time after Stephens done with us



But how could you not trust a nice looking fellow like this?:

www.vancouverobserver.com

He's even holding a cat and wearing an old man sweater. That proves he's a nice, gentle man who is not beholdent to money given to him by multinational conglomerates.
 
2012-11-24 02:22:33 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: UNC_Samurai: Canadian Meat Recall is going on the band name list.

I'm pretty sure it's a sexual position.


I've actually seen this one done. You don't wanna know. And here I thought Canadians were fundamentally nice people.

/still not as bad as the French Guyana Field Goal
 
2012-11-24 02:47:15 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Canada will not allow poor or middlexclsss blacks or Hispanics in. Period.


You're kidding right? *looks around* He's kidding right guys??

Get back to Da Beach. *rolls eyes*
 
2012-11-24 02:48:35 PM  

Mikey1969: How many governments does Canada have, subby?


Federal, Provincial and Municipal.
 
2012-11-24 02:56:18 PM  

Nemo's Brother: beta_plus: mrshowrules: beta_plus: Nurglitch: They were going to fire the inspectors before the recall was a twinkle in the Industry Minister's eye. It was a dumb idea then, and it just makes the Harper Government^tm look even less competent. Mind you, they're also firing statisticians, scientists, and so on. It's going to be years before Canada recovers from their short-sighted policies.

Anyhow, on with distracting people from real problems by discussing Prime Minister Sweater-vest's helmet hair.

If you spent less money on entitlement programs for poor people to have children they can't afford and retirements they refuse to save for you would be able to keep them.

You made your bed NDerPer, now you have to lie in it.

We are forecasting a balanced budget by 2016 and are ranked as having a freer economy than the US despite having free health care, well regulated banks and higher taxes.

Yet you still have to fire all of your statisticians and meat inspectors because the NDerP insists that lazy Canadians should not have to deal with the consequences of their bad decisions. Nice ad hominem that in no way refutes my argument.

I also love whenever we propose to make our economy more free and regulate our banks properly you NDerPers call us racists, despite Canada being lily white (Sorry - Chinese engineers and Indian computer programmers don't count as diversity- get rid of those and Canada is 95% white).

Canada will not allow poor or middlexclsss blacks or Hispanics in. Period.


Oh shiat, it's you again. One of the days, you're going to have to give a citation for your assumptions.
 
2012-11-24 03:19:21 PM  
So to sum up here... Canadian and American meat industry folk somehow convince people in power that they've come up with a nifty way to cut costs in the form of eliminating the secondary inspections that occur when meat crosses borders. They called this "streamlining".

Critics contended at the time that this was the industry blatantly sacrificing safety to fatten their bottom line.

As if right on cue one of Canada's biggest meat recalls occurs and was only detected by said secondary inspectors in the States.

CFIA says Nu-Uh, we detected it first!

"Streamlining" continues apace.

That about it?

*shakes hairy fist in Harper's direction continues eating BLT*
 
2012-11-24 03:25:03 PM  

neenerist: Malcolm_Sex: Canada used to look so promising. We're going to be hurting for a long time after Stephens done with us

Once the taxpayer is forced to cover the inevitable housing correction it'll demolish social services for the better part of a generation, if not longer. Almost as if planned. Worst PM in Canadian history.


We feel your pain...
 
2012-11-24 03:37:00 PM  

mrshowrules: Malcolm_Sex: Canada used to look so promising. We're going to be hurting for a long time after Stephens done with us

Harper's on a short leash. Anytime we choose to merge our two left parties, he is done in the next election.


We don't have two left-wing parties. We have:
- a neo-liberal on trade, mixed-on-social values centrist absolute federalist party that has abandoned its pre-recession focus on green energy;
- a populist and newly centrist left-wing party moving towards asymmetrical federalism;
- a green party

They are competing for some of the same demographics, and have overlapping policy outlooks in some respects, and widely different ones in others. They are all also competing with the Conservatives in other demographics - the Liberals in the cultural community-dominated ridings that used to be their strongholds, the NDP in the west, the Greens in all kinds of places where a libertarian or progressive outlook meshes with a distaste for the Tories' willingness to sacrifice any part of the environment.

It's never been a more interesting and fluid time in Canadian party politics, that's for sure.

The farther the Liberal party moves over to the right and the more the NDP inhabits the centre, the more skeptical I am that these parties are on any merger course.
 
2012-11-24 04:53:20 PM  
"All the allegations and contentions that [inspections] are impeding trade are nonsensical. Food safety should not be trumped by trade."

It's not about one trumping the other, but in striking the right balance between safety and trade.

You could mandate that every individual package of meat sold to consumers be independently tested by three different labs, and you'd catch things that might be otherwise missed - but the cost would be astronomical.

There will always be some amount of risk in contaminated food. There is also always going to be some cost associated with reducing that risk. The question is a matter of degree - where is the appropriate balance between cost and safety?

Of course any additional inspection is going to improve food safety - the question is whether the degree of improvement is worth the cost of inspection. And an anecdote, however appropriately timed, really isn't data - we'd need to see statistics on the cost versus benefit of the program.
 
2012-11-24 05:21:00 PM  
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SOON
 
2012-11-24 05:30:49 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: UNC_Samurai: Canadian Meat Recall is going on the band name list.

I'm pretty sure it's a sexual position.


It's where you have to wipe your unit before your partner will do oral... You know, tainted meat.
 
2012-11-24 05:33:48 PM  

sheep snorter: //Ecoli: It cleans out your guts just like draino.


But leaves you feeling hollow inside?
 
2012-11-24 05:44:33 PM  

beta_plus: mrshowrules: beta_plus: Nurglitch: They were going to fire the inspectors before the recall was a twinkle in the Industry Minister's eye. It was a dumb idea then, and it just makes the Harper Government^tm look even less competent. Mind you, they're also firing statisticians, scientists, and so on. It's going to be years before Canada recovers from their short-sighted policies.

Anyhow, on with distracting people from real problems by discussing Prime Minister Sweater-vest's helmet hair.

If you spent less money on entitlement programs for poor people to have children they can't afford and retirements they refuse to save for you would be able to keep them.

You made your bed NDerPer, now you have to lie in it.

We are forecasting a balanced budget by 2016 and are ranked as having a freer economy than the US despite having free health care, well regulated banks and higher taxes.

Yet you still have to fire all of your statisticians and meat inspectors because the NDerP insists that lazy Canadians should not have to deal with the consequences of their bad decisions. Nice ad hominem that in no way refutes my argument.

I also love whenever we propose to make our economy more free and regulate our banks properly you NDerPers call us racists, despite Canada being lily white (Sorry - Chinese engineers and Indian computer programmers don't count as diversity- get rid of those and Canada is 95% white).


Wow you're dumb. You DO know that austerity has NEVER been shown to succeed in any fashion other than to increase the income and wealth gaps Canada has a revenue problem, not a spending problem, you incredible nitwit. Enjoy as your benefis are cut and your wage stagnates because of the very neoliebral policies that you endorse. lol a "balanced budget" doesnt mean fark-all if no one is investing in production, unemployment stays high, wages remains too low to support a consumer society, and we all ahve to work until were 70. Again it amazes me to no end how short conservative memories are - they pretend as if A) The Great Depression and recovery never happened; or B) they make laughable attempts to take credit for the Keynsian pollicies that generated the longest and most prospoerous period in western history. There, my friend, is the real DERP.
 
2012-11-24 05:52:22 PM  

mrshowrules: Malcolm_Sex: Canada used to look so promising. We're going to be hurting for a long time after Stephens done with us

Harper's on a short leash. Anytime we choose to merge our two left parties, he is done in the next election.


... Yeah no. Not with Jack Layton dead and Justin Trudeau a major contender for the Liberal party leadership. The Liberals and NDP aren't going to put aside a half century of major differences (chief among them that the NDP are actually liberal, and the Liberals are centrists whose main political strategy is to let the winds blow them into and out of power) to merge into a single party. That's just not going to happen.

Most likely scenario: Liberals lose ground in Ontario due to Dalton McGuinty's shenanigans tainting the brand name. Former Liberal supporters choose to support the NDP as a protest vote against both the Liberals and Conservatives, and the NDP becomes far more powerful. (Which it in turn goes and pisses away by pandering to the extreme portion of the party.) Conservatives see this potential and exploit it via the politics of fear and division with things like "Those SOCIALISTS are going to take your money away!" which will be enough to keep most disillusioned Conservative voters from switching parties. (at worst, they just won't come out to vote.) And we get another 4 years of Harper's idiocy and ideology.
 
2012-11-24 07:14:43 PM  
The largest meat recall is when I pull out.
 
2012-11-24 09:01:30 PM  

lj1330: Question: Why are we importing beef from Canada? Don't we have enough of our own?


Never! Never enough beef! Shut yo' Commie mouth, buoy or the Texas Cattlemen will sue you for slandering a food product!

But seriously, meat goes back and forth across the border every which way. Some calves are born in one country and cross the border three or four times before they are slaughtered and then maybe a couple more times. That's business. Meat is a commodity. Buy low, sell high. Any number can play.

Meat is even a commodity when it is no longer fit for human consumption and has to be made into dog for or rendered or dumped. If the meat ends up being junked in Ontario, it may end up in a landfill in Michegan, and vice versa in some other place.

It's called Free Trade. Even before NAFTA, about 95% of goods crossed the Canada-USA border without a tariff. North America is a giant highly competitive market that makes Europe look like Mr. Milquetoast. Remember Mr. Milquetoast? He was once a famous eponym--came from a newspaper cartoon. Newspaper cartoons were these pictures that told a story on a piece of folded paper which could be used to wrap garbage or line birdcages the next day.

Birds liked the color funnies. They made them feel at home in the jungle.
 
2012-11-24 09:35:06 PM  
What confuses me is that I post something critical of the Harper Government (they branded it that, not me, and I'm not inclined to simply call it the Federal Government) and some retard calls me a shill for the NDP. Yeah, Harper is bad, but the Moustache would have been worse. Anyone questioning that assertion from head to his old ward in Toronto and check out the fiasco with the suicide-prevention nets on the Bloor Viaduct.

My point was simply that, contrary to the limited understanding of so many, the Harper Government was not gutting the inspection agency as a result of the recall, but were going to do it anyways, and have proceeded in spite of evidence that they both need the agency, and needed to beef it up.
 
2012-11-24 09:37:53 PM  

beta_plus: Nurglitch: They were going to fire the inspectors before the recall was a twinkle in the Industry Minister's eye. It was a dumb idea then, and it just makes the Harper Government^tm look even less competent. Mind you, they're also firing statisticians, scientists, and so on. It's going to be years before Canada recovers from their short-sighted policies.

Anyhow, on with distracting people from real problems by discussing Prime Minister Sweater-vest's helmet hair.

If you spent less money on entitlement programs for poor people to have children they can't afford and retirements they refuse to save for you would be able to keep them.

You made your bed NDerPer, now you have to lie in it.


Like the jobs made by business thanks to government grants, most of those poor people were going to have those damned starving kids any way and just weren't stupid enough to say no to the monthly cheque. A lot of them are Irish Catholics where I come from, or White Trash, or both. No birth control is a more proximate cause of any breeding they may accidentally do, as is the foolish need of horny young dumbass girls to get some sort of respect, i.e., the old-fashioned way, by becoming mothers and hopefully wives if they are lucky. I am sure that teaching them not to do this would help.

There's a cheap simple method for avoiding population growth (if Canada's population growth were high enough to be a problem, which it isn't--we have some, which is more than some European countries have, but not nearly as much as the US)--it's call government-funded medicare abortions.

There's your real solution: free abortions for some, small canadian flags for others!

Being human, our governments* are as stupid as bricks. We need some of those alien reptiloids that everybody is talking about. All the best-run countries have them.

*Not Subby. But for the record, we have one federal, 13 provincial and two territorial governments, plus a heap of municipalities, indian bands, etc. We've got more governments than we've got Indians. And yes, some of our people of colour are native and not engineers or doctors. About 1.5 million natives in fact (who are responsible for about 95% of the welfare funded children, by the by, thanks to TREATY RIGHTS and high poverty on reservations where you can't get a FARKING bank loan because Indians can't mortgage property--its SOVEREIGN PROPERTY guaranteed by the Constitution in exchange for a perpetual grant of the other 99.9% of the country's land, mineral rights, hunting and fishing and so forth.

In addition to the natives, who are outbreeding us at Palestinian versus Israeli rates, we have a few blacks who were bought and sold prior to the abolition of the slave trade in 1833, who fled the USA until 1865, or who were Black Loyalists or slaves or bonded servants prior to 1784 or thereabouts. And Chinese who arrived when the railroads were built, not to mention fifth generation Lebanese and old established Irish, German, Ukranian, Dutch, French, Spanish, Russian, American, etc., families.

One of my ancestors, Louis Hébert, was friends with the first known black man to visit Canada (Mattheu da Costa, a Portuguese navigator).

His son-in-law, Guillaume Couillard was given the second known black man in Canadian history, one Olivier Lejeune (named after the priest who baptized him). Lejeune was about ten-years-old when he was plucked from his native Madigascar (he may be part Indian of India, which would make him the first illegal Indian immigrant, sort of) by bucanneers (the Kirke Brothers, IIRC) and brought to Canada.

The man who owned him had to leave for France in a hurry due to some court problems (they chucked him out of the country) and gave him to Couillard, who raised him with his children. So that ended more or less well, although Olivier seems to have been a bit of handful as a youth and ended up in court for drunkeness or some other minor breaking-the-peace offence. I believe he settled down a bit after he married.

Another Great French Canadian Family vignette, like the Johnsons and the Ouaites (formerly Whites) of New England, whose ancestor was purchased from the Indians and baptized. They baptized a lot of slaves in those days, especially white one.
 
2012-11-24 09:41:31 PM  
Nope. Wikpedia says "no" on the marriage. Also, he was eight when he was captured (I'm sure other places say ten) and was named after the colony's chief clerk, Olivier Letardiff as well as Father Lejeune. He died as a free domestic it is believed. But I believe my point is made. Many non-white Canadians have deep roots in Canada, and if you haven't seen any of them, you must be from Calgary.
 
2012-11-24 10:10:48 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Canada will not allow poor or middlexclsss blacks or Hispanics in. Period.


That chick who sold me my Note 2 last week much have been a Sofia Vergara impersonator. Amazing at it.
 
2012-11-25 06:46:29 AM  
In an ideal world, meat is processed by nation of nonunionized meat packers who make $6 an hour, undistracted by soshulist "inspectors", and when they are poisoned by the meat, 1) they already have so many health issues that they barely notice and 2) they're so broke and powerless that they represent no threat to the job creatin' job creators, whose own meat is inspected by a private team of chauffeur/accountannt/meat inspectors.

It's well known that the digestive tracts of the job creatin' class are civilized and in need of protection.
 
2012-11-25 08:16:23 PM  

lj1330: Question: Why are we importing beef from Canada? Don't we have enough of our own?


Good question. I believe the US imports steel these days as well - which I was under the impression you had quite a lot of your own.

Who knows, before long you'll end up importing fancy foreign morons despite your vast pool of 21st century Republicans.
 
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