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(Abc.net.au)   Sweden's largest toy chain says its toys are "gender neutral", picturing boys holding baby dolls and girls brandishing toy guns. Not that there's anything wrong with that   (abc.net.au) divider line 122
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2012-11-24 09:31:46 PM

Moonlightfox: This is going to be the US in a few years if we keep giving feminists power. A nanny state where depicting a little girl playing with a doll is "sexist". Where they've gone beyond saying that little boys are allowed to play with dolls, all the way to, "If you don't encourage your son to define his gender role the way we want him to and engage in stereotypically feminine activities you are a bad parent and a misogynist."


The horror, the horror...
It just makes you pee your pants with fear, doesn't it?
 
2012-11-24 09:34:24 PM

Voxper: One thing I have noticed about people like Thaeatetus is, although they talk a good game about letting kids choose their own identities and not force kids into 'gender boxes', they nonetheless have a very strong distaste for rough masculinity and the whole point of their supposed gender neutrality is to get boys as far away from 'bad' masculinity as possible. In fact, they go out of their way to put dolls into boys' hands particularly.


One thing I have noticed about people who complain about people like Thaeatetus is, they love to make up crap and put it in other people's mouths.
 
2012-11-24 09:41:11 PM

Voxper: What a farce.

 

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2012-11-24 09:48:35 PM

Voxper: GF named my left testicle thundercles: I once remember seeing a tv interview with some parents who were raising their kid so 'gender neutral' that they were keeping their child's sex a big mystery from everybody. Supposedly, this would help the kid avoid the dreaded 'gender boxes' and develop their own healthy gender identity and so on, et cetera. Their kid was flouncing-around on the lawn in a pink dress the whole while. (It was predictably a boy. As I said: they go out of their way to do this to boys.)

Then, at one point, the interviewer asked if there were any toys or clothes the parents did not allow?

The parents replied: "Yes, we don't allow hypermasculine stuff."

Uh huh, right. So the kid can freely choose whatever gender identity he wants, so long as he gets as far away as possible from that evil 'hypermasculine' end of the spectrum. Sure, mommy smiles a lot more when he wears that pink dress and acts like a princess, but he's totally free to choose whatever gender identity he wants!

What a farce.

A good question for the parents is: How can this boy freely choose a gender identity for himself if you're jerking him around like that?

Screw the kid, though. The parents want to show how progressive they are! That's what truly matters.


there was a kid who had his penis cut off during a botched circumcision. the parents decided to just give him a vagina and call him a girl. he never fit in with the girls and ended up living a hellish life as an outcast. Eventually he was told about what happened. he decided to get surgery to have his penis reconstructed and lived his life as a man until he understandably committed suicide.

the brain is a sex organ. the reason feminists resist the idea so much is because they have built an entire ivory tower religion on a foundation of shiat.
 
2012-11-24 09:55:10 PM

Tax Boy: A doll!

A doll!

William wants a doll!

/not obscure to gen-x kids with liberal parents


William definitely scored in the end, much like the smart boys in high school that take home ec
 
2012-11-24 10:33:27 PM
NetOwl: I assume you're addressing me.

"Obviously, you disike the parents' decision because you think a boy wearing a dress is somehow worse than a boy being violent."

You presume a lot. My brother is gay and we're very close friends. I was one of the first people he came-out to. It's a little moronic for anyone to assume that boys are going to be violent homophobes unless they wear a dress.

The parents are sending that boy the message that the masculinity within him is de facto undesirable and he should avoid it if he wants parental love. That honestly doesn't seem like a great lesson.
 
2012-11-24 10:34:34 PM
www.thetick.ws 

'It's OK to play with dolls!'
 
2012-11-24 10:51:07 PM

Voxper: One thing I have noticed about people like Thaeatetus is, although they talk a good game about letting kids choose their own identities and not force kids into 'gender boxes', they nonetheless have a very strong distaste for rough masculinity and the whole point of their supposed gender neutrality is to get boys as far away from 'bad' masculinity as possible. In fact, they go out of their way to put dolls into boys' hands particularly.


[Citation needed]

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen your handle on Fark before. Sure, your profile says you've been here a year, but I have no idea who you are. I don't think we've ever posted in the same thread, previously. So, for you to be all "gosh, the derp I hurr de durr about Theatetus is wharrgarrbl de furp be durp" is pretty ridiculous.

/And really, I doubt you'd actually say that if you met me. I'm 6'5" and into heavy lifting.
 
2012-11-24 11:11:14 PM
Theaetetus: In that case, I got you pegged wrong. Apologies for jumping the gun.

I'm 6'5" and into heavy lifting.

But wasn't this interest artificially implanted into your mind, though? I mean, seeing as how you were socialized by your toys and by the TV to enjoy physical activities, it probably doesn't come from any genuine interests that you have.
 
2012-11-24 11:13:47 PM

Theaetetus: Voxper: One thing I have noticed about people like Thaeatetus is, although they talk a good game about letting kids choose their own identities and not force kids into 'gender boxes', they nonetheless have a very strong distaste for rough masculinity and the whole point of their supposed gender neutrality is to get boys as far away from 'bad' masculinity as possible. In fact, they go out of their way to put dolls into boys' hands particularly.

[Citation needed]

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen your handle on Fark before. Sure, your profile says you've been here a year, but I have no idea who you are. I don't think we've ever posted in the same thread, previously. So, for you to be all "gosh, the derp I hurr de durr about Theatetus is wharrgarrbl de furp be durp" is pretty ridiculous.

/And really, I doubt you'd actually say that if you met me. I'm 6'5" and into heavy lifting.


And you need to get to the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2012-11-24 11:18:02 PM

wildcardjack: cretinbob: so... real dolls and fake penises?

If you go through the gallery you'll find Real Dolls with fake penises.


Yes, I did catch that
 
2012-11-24 11:56:46 PM

RandomAxe: Anyway, buy kids Legos, not lame dolls or sad little plastic guns. With good toys, they can make their own dolls and guns.


True.

My wife took the toy guns away from my boys. They just started using pieces of GeoTrax as guns.

I have to say my oldest boy is pretty creative in finding loopholes.

Mrs Clyph: Stop playing guns with the GeoTrax.
Clyph Jr: It's not a gun, it's a solar collector
Mrs Clyph: Then why are you pointing it your little brother and making gun noises?
Clyph Jr: Ummm... because we're playing robot and he needs to be charged up.

If we let him live to maturity he's got quite a future.
 
2012-11-25 01:03:31 AM
I can never decide whether to be amused or depressed by the fact that almost everyone treats "society" or "culture" as some magical thing which is utterly independent of biology, rather than something which stems directly from biology.

Many animal species have societies/cultures. Those cultures have variations based on geographic regions, but each one is still an example of a chimpanzee culture, or a humpback whale culture, or a penguin culture, etc.

Humans have human cultures and while there are many differences between the various ones, it's all a matter of details and really are more similar than dissimilar. This is why (well, one reason why) the feminist dogma of the amazing Patriarchy(tm) founded by evil men magically in secret behind the backs of all the women all across the world in every culture long before the written word is so laughable.

Men are bad, m'kay?
 
2012-11-25 02:37:10 AM

pseudowho: I can never decide whether to be amused or depressed by the fact that almost everyone treats "society" or "culture" as some magical thing which is utterly independent of biology, rather than something which stems directly from biology.

Many animal species have societies/cultures. Those cultures have variations based on geographic regions, but each one is still an example of a chimpanzee culture, or a humpback whale culture, or a penguin culture, etc.

Humans have human cultures and while there are many differences between the various ones, it's all a matter of details and really are more similar than dissimilar. This is why (well, one reason why) the feminist dogma of the amazing Patriarchy(tm) founded by evil men magically in secret behind the backs of all the women all across the world in every culture long before the written word is so laughable.

Men are bad, m'kay?




I get the feeling it's more that when women move further away from their natal group for mating, their new men have greater opportunity for being complete shiatheads without the threat of fathers, brothers, and uncles raining down hate and discontent on their ass.

As humans move further away from their birthplaces and home families. we act worse to outsiders. Because granny and gramps can't see us be assholes.
 
2012-11-25 03:55:10 AM
What next? Boys liking My Little Pony?

i.imgur.com

lol j/k can you imagine?
 
2012-11-25 04:34:32 AM
pseudowho: I can never decide whether to be amused or depressed by the fact that almost everyone treats "society" or "culture" as some magical thing which is utterly independent of biology, rather than something which stems directly from biology.

It's worse than that. A lot of people who take the whole "girls are given dolls and boys are given trucks and the man-o-centrick male-archy results" don't even seem to get the process by which toys are typically bought and sold.

Toy manufacturers are very keen on understanding what boys and girls want to play with. Every parent that I know, when they get a toy for their kid, carefully considers what the kid wants to play with. They ask the kid outright. I'm in the process of getting toys for my niece and nephew. What do I do? I ask the parents what they want for Christmas. There's nothing more annoying than getting a toy for your kid and not having the kid like it.

So the parent, after much frustrating consideration, gets the kid a toy in hopes of pleasing the kid.

But the whole "patriarchy" crowd seems to think that toy manufacturers somehow coerce girls into playing with dolls that they do not want. And then the girls become bad at math and grow-up to be Stepford Wives and get chained to the stove.

Sweet Jesus, give children some credit. It isn't so difficult for a kid to ignore a toy they aren't enthusiastic about.
 
2012-11-25 05:04:52 AM

Theaetetus: Moosecakes: It's one thing to make gender neutral catalogues. It's another thing entirely to actively encourage boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys. Add this together with the weird stories about using new gender-neutral pronouns, and childcare centers encouraging children to play house in combos of boy-boy, girl-girl, boy-boy-girl and other weird stuff, Sweden is going to have an extremely confused generation of children soon who have no idea what the hell they are.

... or an extremely empowered generation of children who understand that they can do anything they want, regardless of what some uptight jackoff with a holy book thinks.


Derp de derp
 
2012-11-25 05:07:52 AM

KatieH24: GORDON: Theaetetus: Moosecakes: It's one thing to make gender neutral catalogues. It's another thing entirely to actively encourage boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys. Add this together with the weird stories about using new gender-neutral pronouns, and childcare centers encouraging children to play house in combos of boy-boy, girl-girl, boy-boy-girl and other weird stuff, Sweden is going to have an extremely confused generation of children soon who have no idea what the hell they are.

... or an extremely empowered generation of children who understand that they can do anything they want, regardless of what some uptight jackoff with a holy book thinks.

Yeah, because people today have real hard time right understanding they can do anything they want, don't they Ru Paul.

Just another solution lacking a real problem. I bet there's a wrist band for it.

Know how I know you don't have kids?

I was lucky enough to be raised by hippy, PhD wielding teachers, who fully embraced a gender neutral upbringing for me and my sisters. I've followed in the same fashion with my children and this solution that lacks a problem only yields compassionate and confident children. Without worrying about how others perceive you, especially during the hormonally tumultuous time of adolescents my self, my siblings and my children were/are able to cut though the bullshiat of how people perceive and judge you based on your appearance and societal expectations and instead focus on school and extracurriculars. I can honestly say I had a blast being a dorky, one of the guys girls in high school, I wouldn't change it for the world.

Mind you children will socialize in-spite of your best efforts, but when they come home and aren't pressured to be masculine or feminine and can talk about how ridiculous it all is, and laugh at how seriously their peers take fitting into preconceived boxes I will never regret the decision my husband and I made for our children.


Lmao
 
Ehh
2012-11-25 11:40:34 AM

crispyone: This is nothing but a bunch of BS generated by liberals and GLBT types.

Case in point. Sarah Palin is ridiculed for being a beauty pagent contestant...she's ridiculed for knowing how to shoot a gun...she's ridiculed for knowing how to skin a deer. She's a perfect example of having no gender bias.

But she's conservative...so let's bash her!!!!!


This liberal saw Sarah Palin's gun handling abilities on her reality show and was very unimpressed. I ridicule her for character and intelligence, not for having been in a beauty contest.
 
2012-11-25 03:17:56 PM
How about we stop trying to force others into being what we think they should be and live over own lives?
 
2012-11-26 12:38:22 AM

crispyone: This is nothing but a bunch of BS generated by liberals and GLBT types.

Case in point. Sarah Palin is ridiculed for being a beauty pagent contestant...she's ridiculed for knowing how to shoot a gun...she's ridiculed for knowing how to skin a deer. She's a perfect example of having no gender bias.

But she's conservative...so let's bash her!!!!!


Actually, she was specifically ridiculed for playing at being the great huntress, yet the much bally-hooed video showed she couldn't work a damn bolt action. If you believe she can skin a deer, you're a naïf.
 
2012-11-27 05:32:24 AM
I grew up with two older sisters, so tended to act a bit feminine. When I was a teen, it made me seem "safe" to some girls, so I ended up getting laid a lot, so there's that. I also grew up to have healthy respect for women, and it turns out that isn't common in my industry, so it inadvertently worked to my advantage for business success. Let kids be who they are, and focus less on gender roles and more on fundamentals like respect, patience, and practical skills (like cooking and money management.)

Also, if your son or daughter wants to play with guns, do what I did with mine: teach them proper gun control and insist they handle their play guns safely. They still play with guns, but they never point them at someone else; they use 'em for fake target practice, or to shoot imaginary things.

I may not be father of the year, but I have grade-school kids who understand and have no issue with same-sex or opposite-sex relationships, or with different religious beliefs (they go to a unitarian church, one believes in god and the other does not), or with understanding that it isn't what you do but how you do it that matters.

Worth a shot, anyway.
 
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