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2012-11-24 12:09:23 AM
Wake me when I can buy my self-driving car.

/Actually..... Google Fiber sounds farking cool. Way to go Google!
 
2012-11-24 12:11:17 AM
Needs an "Obvious" tag.
 
2012-11-24 12:17:06 AM
And, when does it get out of Kansas Farking City?

Wake me when it's headed into my neighborhood.
 
2012-11-24 05:24:38 AM
Why did Google select these start cities? MO and KS? One would think that they would start in an area closer to their home base.
 
2012-11-24 06:53:26 AM

cman: Why did Google select these start cities? MO and KS? One would think that they would start in an area closer to their home base.


I grew up in a town of about 100k people and we always had pilot programs going on. It was crazy, recycling, debit cards, credit cards. When I asked a rep about it, he just said that we had the right size and the right demographics.
 
2012-11-24 07:04:23 AM
Really neat. But I have just a hint of "putting all my eggs in one Google basket" skepticism and unease about this.
 
2012-11-24 07:12:54 AM
Free-market competition at work.
 
2012-11-24 07:13:28 AM
Will this bury cable companies?

Please let the answer be yes.
 
2012-11-24 07:23:15 AM
About damn time.

Google, I don't see you as a savior... but anything that curbstomps these regional monopolies is okay in my book. Especially if you are bringing a metric crap ton of bandwidth to my doorstep.

/ Free market Judo Chop!
 
2012-11-24 07:23:23 AM
I wish... our 30mb service seems paltry by comparison. :P
 
2012-11-24 07:28:38 AM
soshable.com
 
2012-11-24 07:30:04 AM

taurusowner: Really neat. But I have just a hint of "putting all my eggs in one Google basket" skepticism and unease about this.


Well, this. I can get a 120mbit line for €70 (includes basic television). Why would I ever want 1gb/s? Sure, I have a gigabit network so technically I could actually use it, but who is offering speeds of 125 megabyte when I'm downloading? And I also wouldn't trust Google not to snoop on my data. It might be anonymous user data but anonymous user data is very easily de-anonymised if you can filter everything that passes though the series of tubes.

/With fiber the internet really is a series of tubes
 
2012-11-24 07:32:17 AM
Things I never thought I'd hear myself say: "I want to live in Kansas City."
 
2012-11-24 07:41:32 AM

cman: Why did Google select these start cities? MO and KS? One would think that they would start in an area closer to their home base.


There was a huge competition several years ago for cities to become the guinea pigs for this project.
 
2012-11-24 07:43:39 AM
My favorite part of that story is that TWC is freaking out, making house calls to be sure customers are "happy." Fark TWC in the ear. I can't wait for the day I have a viable alternative for broadband.
 
2012-11-24 08:28:26 AM
We have cinergy metro net in my town and a few others here in Indiana. My town was a pilot city, and I worked for them as a sort of IT guy when they first started out. If I remember correctly , the state made them come in to smaller cities to expand selection and get broadband and fiber access out. People used to ask if since it was fiber why couldn't they get faster than 10mb. They could , but at the time they just weren't giving it to people. But the ladies in customer service didn't believe me, they would tell people it wasn't technologically possible. I'd call bs and show them that I'd provisioned myself for 80mb at my desk and terminal. Now they sell 100mb, and it's expensive, with no real reason to be. Still much better than the dsl and cable options in town though. I know that verizon and ATT lease the fiber off of cinergy in the area on the way through to their big areas like Bloomington.
 
2012-11-24 08:29:44 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And, when does it get out of Kansas Farking City?

Wake me when it's headed into my neighborhood.


Gmail was in beta for 5 years so.. Have a nice nap
 
2012-11-24 08:57:43 AM
They better get to Lawrence soon. I don't even care about the gigabit speeds...I just want the free cable speed connection.
 
2012-11-24 09:00:18 AM
If this is how the cable companies are reacting, Google needs to start working on air travel and printers.

Any other things which have never worked right for no good reason?
 
2012-11-24 09:16:25 AM

poorjon: If this is how the cable companies are reacting, Google needs to start working on air travel and printers.

Any other things which have never worked right for no good reason?


Gas prices, most Hollywood movies and Congress immediately spring to mind.
 
2012-11-24 09:36:58 AM
Poorjon is on to something.

Dear Google, please get into the airline business.

Also, King Something is on the right path.
 
2012-11-24 09:38:34 AM

DerAppie: taurusowner: Really neat. But I have just a hint of "putting all my eggs in one Google basket" skepticism and unease about this.

Well, this. I can get a 120mbit line for €70 (includes basic television). Why would I ever want 1gb/s? Sure, I have a gigabit network so technically I could actually use it, but who is offering speeds of 125 megabyte when I'm downloading? And I also wouldn't trust Google not to snoop on my data. It might be anonymous user data but anonymous user data is very easily de-anonymised if you can filter everything that passes though the series of tubes.

/With fiber the internet really is a series of tubes


The incumbent cable company in KC, TWC, sells 50 megabyte service (no TV) for $100 a month, $10 more a month than what your service costs.

If Google can provide 1GB fibery goodness for $30 less a month than TWC sells 50MB service, that is proof that TWC is overpriced.

The telcos and cablecos should be running scared. Their duopoly is being broken.
 
2012-11-24 09:40:54 AM
I wouldn't care if Google Fiber was missing channels like HBO, because I'll rent the discs anyways. I currently have Comcast Internet only, which cost 62/month. I'll take Google's higher speed plus the channels and a Nexus 7 thrown in over Comcast's ripoff offerings.
 
2012-11-24 09:42:09 AM
I hereby offer up my local TW office to be "freaked out" next... please?

/pretty please?
 
2012-11-24 09:55:37 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Wake me when I can buy my self-driving car.

/Actually..... Google Fiber sounds farking cool. Way to go Google!


Funny you should mention that, they're working on it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdgQpa1pUUE
 
2012-11-24 09:56:33 AM

dustman81: DerAppie: taurusowner: Really neat. But I have just a hint of "putting all my eggs in one Google basket" skepticism and unease about this.

Well, this. I can get a 120mbit line for €70 (includes basic television). Why would I ever want 1gb/s? Sure, I have a gigabit network so technically I could actually use it, but who is offering speeds of 125 megabyte when I'm downloading? And I also wouldn't trust Google not to snoop on my data. It might be anonymous user data but anonymous user data is very easily de-anonymised if you can filter everything that passes though the series of tubes.

/With fiber the internet really is a series of tubes

The incumbent cable company in KC, TWC, sells 50 megabyte service (no TV) for $100 a month, $10 more a month than what your service costs.

If Google can provide 1GB fibery goodness for $30 less a month than TWC sells 50MB service, that is proof that TWC is overpriced.

The telcos and cablecos should be running scared. Their duopoly is being broken.


The packet I mentioned is more expensive than the Google package. This hould have been an indication that I was talking about getting Google internet in general, not in specific cases. In countries with decent infrastructure (just about any developed country but not the US) Google has no added benefits. The purported advantages (speed) do not weigh up to the downside of allowing Google access to everything you do.

/Except for google, which will get much more in depth consumer information
 
2012-11-24 10:04:29 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And, when does it get out of Kansas Farking City?

Wake me when it's headed into my neighborhood.


I've checked their schedule and your town is at the very end , sometime about 2042.
 
2012-11-24 10:06:16 AM

DerAppie: taurusowner: Really neat. But I have just a hint of "putting all my eggs in one Google basket" skepticism and unease about this.

Well, this. I can get a 120mbit line for €70 (includes basic television). Why would I ever want 1gb/s? Sure, I have a gigabit network so technically I could actually use it, but who is offering speeds of 125 megabyte when I'm downloading? And I also wouldn't trust Google not to snoop on my data. It might be anonymous user data but anonymous user data is very easily de-anonymised if you can filter everything that passes though the series of tubes.

/With fiber the internet really is a series of tubes


Google wouldn't be doing this if even 120mbit for 100 bucks were the norm here.
 
2012-11-24 10:11:41 AM
Google picked KC KS because most of our utilities are up on poles and easy to work with. Also, we streamlined our city/county government and learned some lessons through recent development that eliminated lots of red tape. Damn, I sound like I'm from the chamber of commerce. Anyway, the rollout gets to my neighborhood this summer.
KC MO got added later. They must have made some awesome concessions.
The rich bastards in Johnson County KS get nothing. Nothing!
 
2012-11-24 10:22:09 AM

Dear Jerk: Google picked KC KS because most of our utilities are up on poles and easy to work with. Also, we streamlined our city/county government and learned some lessons through recent development that eliminated lots of red tape. Damn, I sound like I'm from the chamber of commerce. Anyway, the rollout gets to my neighborhood this summer.
KC MO got added later. They must have made some awesome concessions.
The rich bastards in Johnson County KS get nothing. Nothing!


Any empty houses?
 
2012-11-24 10:31:39 AM
In Lafayette, Louisiana we have a locally owned utility company which ran fiber to the home in the entire city, after farking Cox cable and Bellsouth sued extensively to stop it. We get 100 Megs up and down for a great rate, plus tv and telephone. Fiber to the home is fabulous. Of course Cocks and Bellsouth had no intention of upgrading their crap system. Their only strategy was to sue and try to ram bills through the Legislature to obstruct Lafayette Utilities.
 
2012-11-24 11:03:09 AM
Sounds great, except for you to get any benefit out of the service capacity, every sever out on the net also needs to be on a 1Gbt pipe. I'm on a "low tier" 25/25 up/down plan with FiOS. I love it. However, the times i connect to a service and actually even use 25mb is rare.

Going from shiatty time warner with its 384k upload to FiOS was a big step. I just dont see the need, with the way the rest of the network is, for much higher. FiOS has nicely priced plans for say 50/50 for not much more, but i dont think i would see much benefit.
 
2012-11-24 11:06:33 AM
Google needs Microsoft and other high profile tech companies to fight the giant telcos and cablecos. At&t, Verizon, TWC, and Comcast are farking nuts deep in lobbyist. Not to mention these telecoms own a shiat load of this nations backbone.
/The reason I mention Microsoft is that they have alot of lobbyist of their own right now that Google can't compare with.
 
2012-11-24 11:32:21 AM

dustman81: The telcos and cablecos should be running scared. Their duopoly is being broken.


Tru dat, but I'm still not cheering for any company who's motto is "Always do Evil".
 
2012-11-24 11:37:53 AM

DerAppie: The packet I mentioned is more expensive than the Google package. This hould have been an indication that I was talking about getting Google internet in general, not in specific cases. In countries with decent infrastructure (just about any developed country but not the US) Google has no added benefits. The purported advantages (speed) do not weigh up to the downside of allowing Google access to everything you do.


Memo to you - the US is a big place (really! look at it on a map!). Infrastructure varies widely depending on state, county, and even city. Just like Europe or really any other place in the world. I've been to parts of Europe in the last few years where dialup was barely an option.

/but you already killed your credibility when you asked "why would I ever need 1Gb" - really forward thinking there ...
 
Zel
2012-11-24 11:40:34 AM
Meanwhile in wisconsin, time warner thinks 15/1 mbit for $45 is a good deal.
my friend's 4G phone is faster...
 
2012-11-24 11:43:57 AM

LemSkroob: Sounds great, except for you to get any benefit out of the service capacity, every sever out on the net also needs to be on a 1Gbt pipe. I'm on a "low tier" 25/25 up/down plan with FiOS. I love it. However, the times i connect to a service and actually even use 25mb is rare.

Going from shiatty time warner with its 384k upload to FiOS was a big step. I just dont see the need, with the way the rest of the network is, for much higher. FiOS has nicely priced plans for say 50/50 for not much more, but i dont think i would see much benefit.


I think google's plan is that when people have 1 gig connections, people will start providing content, and it will be so farking cool that suddenly no one can live without it.
 
2012-11-24 11:54:29 AM

Hollie Maea: I think google's plan is that when people have 1 gig connections, people will start providing content, and it will be so farking cool that suddenly no one can live without it.


Back in like 1997, when StarNet in Tucson started offering xDSL the one thing in the user agreement that made a lot of geeks refuse to purchase it was a requirement that you NOT run any servers/services on your connection.

Never understood that.
 
2012-11-24 12:00:24 PM

gingerjet: /but you already killed your credibility when you asked "why would I ever need 1Gb" - really forward thinking there ...


Indeed, why would I ever need more than 640k of RAM?

/hopefully not too obscure
 
2012-11-24 12:10:51 PM

Pontious Pilates: cman: Why did Google select these start cities? MO and KS? One would think that they would start in an area closer to their home base.

There was a huge competition several years ago for cities to become the guinea pigs for this project.


Our local government refused to put in a bid for the service calling it the worse excesses of socialism out to destroy America and it had nothing to do with the big donations to their election campaigns by Time Warner and AT&T.
 
2012-11-24 12:26:25 PM

CujoQuarrel: Benevolent Misanthrope: And, when does it get out of Kansas Farking City?

Wake me when it's headed into my neighborhood.

I've checked their schedule and your town is at the very end , sometime about 2042.


Just my luck. Tacoma always gets shafted.
 
2012-11-24 12:29:56 PM
But will it make me regular?
 
2012-11-24 12:35:08 PM

cman: Why did Google select these start cities? MO and KS? One would think that they would start in an area closer to their home base.


Google held a competition to see which city wanted Google Fiber the most. KC won. The KC neighborhoods that wanted it most are getting it first.
 
2012-11-24 12:37:52 PM

poorjon: If this is how the cable companies are reacting, Google needs to start working on air travel and printers.

Any other things which have never worked right for no good reason?


Government?
 
2012-11-24 12:42:19 PM
cman: Why did Google select these start cities? MO and KS? One would think that they would start in an area closer to their home base.

They have data centers there. So when you have Google fiber, the cost for them to deliver services from their data center to you is much cheaper when they essentially own the pipes.
 
2012-11-24 12:47:13 PM

dustman81:

If Google can provide 1GB fibery goodness for $30 less a month than TWC sells 50MB service, that is proof that TWC is overpriced.

 

Unless Google is providing 1GB at a loss, for other business purposes.
 
2012-11-24 01:07:47 PM

cman: Why did Google select these start cities? MO and KS? One would think that they would start in an area closer to their home base.


Aside from the aforementioned reasons that Dear Jerk mentioned, I think there is also the advantage of it being a bit of a warning shot to ISP's across the nation. If they chose some place closer to home, mid-American ISP's could go on sleeping, thinking "Yeah, Silicon Valley has it, but we don't need to worry about competition for awhile." This way, any ISP manager within driving distance of Kansas City has to be looking over their shoulder.
 
2012-11-24 01:12:30 PM

dustman81: If Google can provide 1GB fibery goodness for $30 less a month than TWC sells 50MB service, that is proof that TWC is overpriced.


But not necessarily proof that TWC can afford to provide it's service any cheaper. The cost of laying copper and the cost of laying fiber is probably similar (spinning glass is a little cheaper than digging metal, but stringing wire is stringing wire). If TWC is still amortizing the cost of it's network, the cost of delivery is probably pretty similar for the two services.
 
2012-11-24 01:13:45 PM

Stone Meadow: gingerjet: /but you already killed your credibility when you asked "why would I ever need 1Gb" - really forward thinking there ...

Indeed, why would I ever need more than 640k of RAM?

/hopefully not too obscure


No just complete bullshiat. Repeating it doesn't make it true.

Link
 
2012-11-24 01:18:56 PM

APE992: Stone Meadow: gingerjet: /but you already killed your credibility when you asked "why would I ever need 1Gb" - really forward thinking there ...

Indeed, why would I ever need more than 640k of RAM?

/hopefully not too obscure

No just complete bullshiat. Repeating it doesn't make it true.

Link


Somebody sounds concerned...

/btw, your blogLink sucks
 
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