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(Reuters)   The actual number of Walmart associates who participated in the Black Friday walkout? Less than 50   (reuters.com) divider line 264
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2012-11-23 12:18:25 PM  
What they lacked in sheer numbers they more than made up for in lack of influence.
 
2012-11-23 12:26:08 PM  
Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?
 
2012-11-23 12:46:45 PM  
Well, given that those associates are working at Walmart, they do have to consider how limited their options are once they're fired.
 
2012-11-23 12:51:14 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?


In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).
 
2012-11-23 01:26:28 PM  

kid_icarus: Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?

In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).


As opposed to a union job, where they can't fire you without you violating major rules or laws, several times usually.

Most of the articles I've seen on this point out how horrifying it is that Wal-Mart employees often start at close to minimum wage, and receive pay raises of only 40 to 60 cents per year after that, with a cap around $15 or so.

The union that covers this industry, for the most part, the UFCW, let me tell you about their contracts:

Everyone starts at minimum wage. Pay raises are 5c a year for the first 4 years, then 10c a year for several more years. Maximum pay is typically around $12 or so, unless you have 20+ years in, then the maxes go up.

At least, this was the agreement that the last grocery store I was in had. It was about as close to slave labor as you can get in this country without actually working at an Amazon warehouse.
 
2012-11-23 01:28:11 PM  

kid_icarus: Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?

In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).


Please learn the difference between "at will" and "right to work" before posting.
 
2012-11-23 01:30:42 PM  

kid_icarus: Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?

In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).


No. No they can't.

There are specific reasons they CANT fire you. Religion, Sex, Age... But they can fire you because you're ugly and your mom dresses you funny. Especially if one of the reasons they WANT to fire you is one of the reasons they can't use... they will just right-size your department.
 
2012-11-23 01:35:40 PM  

ekdikeo4: kid_icarus: Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?

In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).

As opposed to a union job, where they can't fire you without you violating major rules or laws, several times usually.

Most of the articles I've seen on this point out how horrifying it is that Wal-Mart employees often start at close to minimum wage, and receive pay raises of only 40 to 60 cents per year after that, with a cap around $15 or so.

The union that covers this industry, for the most part, the UFCW, let me tell you about their contracts:

Everyone starts at minimum wage. Pay raises are 5c a year for the first 4 years, then 10c a year for several more years. Maximum pay is typically around $12 or so, unless you have 20+ years in, then the maxes go up.

At least, this was the agreement that the last grocery store I was in had. It was about as close to slave labor as you can get in this country without actually working at an Amazon warehouse.


And there are really either two ways to resolve the employee crisis:

1). Force the employers to compete for the employee either using government regulation or consumer boycotts
2). Allocate more power to the employee by either collectively supporting the unionization of Walmart or by endorsing lawsuits by employees for things like an employer not adequately compensating for services rendered.

We, as a society, have to determine what values we want our society to reflect and then agree that even if it takes more effort on our part, it's worth making that transformation.
 
2012-11-23 01:39:33 PM  
The point's been made. Walmart, as big and monolithic as it may be, doesn't like bad press. This could lead to second thoughts on management's part when dealing with employees. If they were to blatantly mistreat an employee now, it's more likely to have light shone on it.
 
2012-11-23 02:19:52 PM  
To be fair, I'd rather be outside than in the hellish innards of a Black Friday sale.
 
2012-11-23 02:20:57 PM  
Subby: The actual number of Walmart associates who participated in the Black Friday walkout? Less than 50

The actual number of Walmart walkout participants who will now find themselves jobless? Probably identical.
 
2012-11-23 02:21:36 PM  

olddeegee: The point's been made. Walmart, as big and monolithic as it may be, doesn't like bad press. This could lead to second thoughts on management's part when dealing with employees. If they were to blatantly mistreat an employee now, it's more likely to have light shone on it.


Right. Because before this lame stunt - not a single article has ever been written on the labor practices of Walmart. Evar.
 
2012-11-23 02:23:47 PM  
Well, that'll show 'em!
 
2012-11-23 02:23:57 PM  
Josue Mata, a 28-year-old employee of a south Dallas store, ...raises four kids, pays child support and lives with his parents.

Making smart choices in life is not one of his strong points.

/Refused to go to any stores that ran 'Black Friday' sales on Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-23 02:23:57 PM  
Shame more people didn't take part. The only way to make a change is for most of the employees to make a stand, yet I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.
 
2012-11-23 02:24:13 PM  
... according to Walmart.

Maybe Walmart has an incentive to lie about the number of its workers who are on strike?
 
2012-11-23 02:25:06 PM  

WizardofToast: To be fair, I'd rather be outside than in the hellish innards of a Black Friday sale.


^^^^^

There are things I need to purchase, completely unrelated to christmas or any occasion. However, today, the whole Black Friday thing and the fact the windchill is about 22F, I'm good staying in and drinking early. I can go early tomorrow morning, be home in time to make snacks and restock the bar for tree trimming party later tomorrow afternoon.

Yes, I'm fine with that.

/still in her awesome leopard print flannel jammies, drinking a nice unfiltered wheat beer.
//splurging on heat, have it turned up to 67, nice and toasty.
 
2012-11-23 02:25:38 PM  

Raw_fishFood: Shame more people didn't take part. The only way to make a change is for most of the employees to make a stand, yet I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.


hard to take a stand when you really need the money. This is, of course, why the "free market" thing is complete hooey, but whatever...
 
2012-11-23 02:26:28 PM  
UNION! UNION! UNION!

The good for nothing phuqs. I bet the Walmart employees, with what little money they earn, don't feel like giving some of it to what appears to be clearly, ineffective union representation.
 
2012-11-23 02:27:12 PM  
How much do the unions pay the people they have protesting? If I recall it's usually homeless people working for minimum wage or less.
 
2012-11-23 02:27:41 PM  
Bontesla:

We, as a society, have to determine what values we want our society to reflect and then agree that even if it takes more effort on our part, it's worth making that transformation.

Haha, yeah.  If it requires more effort on the part of the general population, it isn't going to become a part of our society.
 
2012-11-23 02:28:24 PM  

olddeegee: The point's been made. Walmart, as big and monolithic as it may be, doesn't like bad press. This could lead to second thoughts on management's part when dealing with employees. If they were to blatantly mistreat an employee now, it's more likely to have light shone on it.

 
2012-11-23 02:28:27 PM  
I have an old acquaintance who has worked at Walmart for about 20 years I think. Ran into him the other day when I went there and after the pleasantries, I asked him about the protest. He told me that word had been passed around in an unofficial way that if anyone at that location walked off of a scheduled work day, they would more than likely lose their job soon after. Personally I don't give a shiat. If someone works there, they choose to work there knowing how that company is.
 
2012-11-23 02:29:56 PM  

ekdikeo4: kid_icarus: Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?

In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).

As opposed to a union job, where they can't fire you without you violating major rules or laws, several times usually.

Most of the articles I've seen on this point out how horrifying it is that Wal-Mart employees often start at close to minimum wage, and receive pay raises of only 40 to 60 cents per year after that, with a cap around $15 or so.

The union that covers this industry, for the most part, the UFCW, let me tell you about their contracts:

Everyone starts at minimum wage. Pay raises are 5c a year for the first 4 years, then 10c a year for several more years. Maximum pay is typically around $12 or so, unless you have 20+ years in, then the maxes go up.

At least, this was the agreement that the last grocery store I was in had. It was about as close to slave labor as you can get in this country without actually working at an Amazon warehouse.


I'm glad to live in a state (WA) where grocery workers aren't treated like total garbage because my company's union doesn't allow it. I'm maxed out at almost $20/hr with decent benefits in a stocking job. When the wife and I researched job opportunities in her home state of Florida, we found that in a similar job there you'd be lucky to make $10/hr.
 
2012-11-23 02:30:03 PM  

iccky: ... according to Walmart.

Maybe Walmart has an incentive to lie about the number of its workers who are on strike?


Ya think? came here to say basically the same thing.
 
2012-11-23 02:30:20 PM  

A Shambling Mound: olddeegee: The point's been made. Walmart, as big and monolithic as it may be, doesn't like bad press. This could lead to second thoughts on management's part when dealing with employees. If they were to blatantly mistreat an employee now, it's more likely to have light shone on it.


Oops. 2nd attempt:

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Snark is rarely as effective if it's screwed up the first time, I admit.
 
2012-11-23 02:31:07 PM  
The few, the proud.
 
2012-11-23 02:31:17 PM  

ekdikeo4: kid_icarus: Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?

In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).

As opposed to a union job, where they can't fire you without you violating major rules or laws, several times usually.



Dream your dream there, buddy.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-11-23 02:31:23 PM  
"Welcome to Walmart. Please take me with you."
 
2012-11-23 02:31:26 PM  
Not at all surprising, given that most of them, if asked, would say:


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2012-11-23 02:33:14 PM  
Well, technically, there were no WalMart associates who participated since they are no longer employed by the company... soooo...

/we have always been at war with Target
 
2012-11-23 02:33:18 PM  

ekdikeo4: At least, this was the agreement that the last grocery store I was in had. It was about as close to slave labor as you can get in this country without actually working at an Amazon warehouse.


How odd... When I was 19, I worked for a grocery store in Az(Right to work state), and we had benefits I STILL haven't seen(Such as double pay for holidays, plus the paid day off if you work. In other words, triple pay), thanks to the fact that it was easier to standardize pay rates and bennies based on their union states, rather than have multiple pay schedules across the country to try and keep straight. Considering this was back in 1990, it's still amazing how many benefits I got. Definitely not even close to "slave labor".
 
2012-11-23 02:34:23 PM  
Imagine that. Some people like having a job.
 
2012-11-23 02:34:35 PM  

Raw_fishFood: Shame more people didn't take part. The only way to make a change is for most of the employees to make a stand, yet I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.


If the employees aren't willing to fight for themselves, why should I fight for them?
 
2012-11-23 02:34:38 PM  
They can't afford it. I get paid less than a lot of Wal-Mart employees, but unemployment is so bad in my area that my job would be filled in two days if I went on strike or walked out.
 
2012-11-23 02:34:57 PM  
www.adbusters.org

Why do you think we want you to have families? There's already too many people as it is.
 
2012-11-23 02:35:07 PM  
Will someone PLZ think of The Walmart?!
 
2012-11-23 02:35:18 PM  
olddeegee: The point's been made. Walmart, as big and monolithic as it may be, doesn't like bad press. This could lead to second thoughts on management's part when dealing with employees. If they were to blatantly mistreat an employee now, it's more likely to have light shone on it.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-23 02:35:26 PM  
"We estimate that less than 50 associates participated in the protest nationwide. In fact, this year, roughly the same number of associates missed their scheduled shift as last year," Walmart U.S. Chief Executive Bill Simon said in a statement."

Yeah, subby, take the Walton cock out of your mouth long enough to post, but fail to mention the source. Of course the company would downplay the protests. Sheesh.
 
2012-11-23 02:35:47 PM  
Don't you mean waddled out subby?
 
2012-11-23 02:35:58 PM  

Tumunga: ekdikeo4: kid_icarus: Arthur Jumbles: Walking off your shift is grounds for a firing, right?

In a 'right to work' state, they can fire you whenever they want to for any reason they damn please (up to, and including, no reason at all).

As opposed to a union job, where they can't fire you without you violating major rules or laws, several times usually.


Dream your dream there, buddy.

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I'm not arguing with you, but isn't that not so much 'fired' as 'close the plant so they have no jobs to go to?'

Or am I mistaken?
 
2012-11-23 02:36:35 PM  
The moron at the end of the article who makes 8.70 an hour---YEAH if you would have taken your butt into work at 8PM you would have made time and a half. But you go out there and protest..Figure out why you live in your parents basement..
So only 50 employees protested vs how many ACTUAL busloads of random people showed up.. Is what I really want to know.
 
2012-11-23 02:36:59 PM  

zamboni: Well, technically, there were no WalMart associates who participated since they are no longer employed by the company... soooo...

/we have always been at war with Target


With a name like that, they're kind of asking for it.
 
2012-11-23 02:37:25 PM  
fewer than 50, even.
 
2012-11-23 02:38:03 PM  
Marx tells us that racism is a tool of the capitalists allowing them to pursue a divide-and-rule policy against the workers.
 
2012-11-23 02:38:16 PM  
RTFA, subby. Sources claim thousands of protesters and strikes at a hundred stores. Walmart says those claims are exaggerated and maintains that less than 50 Walmart employees went on strike.
 
2012-11-23 02:40:14 PM  
This controversy seems to me like another example of the Right's schizophrenic nature. They claim to be the Party of family values, yet they think workers should be happy to be drug away from their families in order to allow frenzied mobs to trample them even earlier. Hell, according to the 'Obama didn't thank God in his Thanksgiving speech' story, Thanksgiving is now a "religious" holiday, so they're also supporting making these people work on one of God's(supposed) holidays too, and they also claim that they are the 'Party of God'.

So I guess the Right's religious and family values get easily trumped by the common dollar...
 
2012-11-23 02:40:50 PM  
I did a silent protest. I won't get anywhere near a fargin' Wal-Mart this weekend.
 
2012-11-23 02:40:57 PM  
/the only pic i could find from the commie episode
//lol, workers unite
 
2012-11-23 02:41:25 PM  
Sadly, if your only resort is to work at WalMart, the likelihood of your finding a job elsewhere is slim to none. The poor folk can't afford to picket because there's no job elsewhere to take them if/when they're fired. .

/It's a rigged game, but it's the only one in town.
 
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