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(Some Guy)   "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened." Sarah Palin has turned up in Subby's family tree   (wargs.com) divider line 30
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2012-11-23 10:31:02 AM
Here's the culprits:

982 (=1014) Benjamin Newcomb, b. Edgartown, Mass., ... [ca. 1700], d. Waterborough [now Canning], Sunbury Co., New Brunswick, Canada, ...
m.
983 (=1015) Hannah Clark, b. ... , d. Waterborough [now Canning], Sunbury Co., New Brunswick, Canada, ...

http://www.wargs.com/political/heath.html

On the plus side, I also found a Governor Walter Clarke of Rhode Island who may or may not be related to Hannah Clark but is the father of another Clark(e) ancestor. He is the son of another Governor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarke_(governor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Clarke_(governor)

The Clark(e)s moved from Rhode Island to Connecticut before the Revolution and then to Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. I wouldn't be surprised if they were Quakers. I have quite a few Quaker ancestors who fled to Nova Scotia rather than violate their conscience by fighting or who became Planters (colonists, settlers) in Nova Scotia well before 1776-1783.

During much of the eighteenth and nineteenth century people moved freely between Eastern Canada, New England and the West. A lot of my cousins ended up in the North West where some of them became wealthy landowners, ranchers, farmers, merchants, etc., because of the many opportunities the rapid growth of the region presented for good hardworking Protestant folk.

Sarah Palin's ancestors, of all the Presidential candidates of recent elections, are the most WASP and the most concentrated in New England (and in this one case, Eastern Canada). Now that's what I call irony!

McCain's ancestors are mostly Irish-Scots from the South. Obama has the most diverse family tree, being part African, part British, and so forth. This is typical of many African Americans who are descended from slaves and masters alike, or from the rare individual who dared to flout racism and snobbery to marry across race lines. I don't know Biden's family background but I do know I have related to 13 American Presidents (which is not unusual if you have colonial ancestors--they are all related to each other except for one outlier President) and Hillary Clinton; Lynden H. Larouche, Jr. the conspiracist; and God only knows how many others if the research were complete.

I was having such a good week, too. I think I have broken through two of my brick walls--I am now satisfied with my work to establish the parents of my 3-great grandmother and I found a probable sister for my 3-great grandfather after spending inordinate amounts of time going over the same ground like a mad fool. Since she has parents, and they are the same parents I have suspected are his, I have a high level of confidence that I have found the right people, just where the facts and instinct told me they should be.

This is a feather in my amateur genealogical cap because nobody else seems to have put all the pieces together. Unfortunately, what I have is a case, not rock solid proof, but it is a plausible and strong case.

Compared to that, adding another American Political Loony to my collection is small potatoes. The real satisfaction is knowing something nobody else knows, and then sharing it. I should probably have become a university professor, but I fell off of my career track along the way through lack of ambition and work.

I'm sure my family will not be delighted with this new discovery but perhaps my genealogist cousin will be interested in my theory and have the resources to dig up a few documents that aren't on line. I'm sure that somebody in the outer reaches of the family must have a Bible or some family memories that could confirm my hypotheses, which I am now reasonably satisfied can be elevated to theories.

It pays to follow the evidence whereever it leads. I found two Governors because I didn't say "to Hell with Sarah Palin" when I ran across her by pure serendippity. And according to Wikipedia, my surmise that the Clarkes were Quakers is correct.

Walter Clarke was succeeded in office by Benedict Arnold. (Not THAT Benedict Arnold. He was the great-grandfather of THAT Benedict Arnold).

This promises to be a lot of fun.

Maybe if I get bored with my family, I can work on cousin Sarah's family. Don't you think it would be a fun project to prove she is descended from (Governor) Benedict Arnold? I know that she can't be descended from the General, although he had a number of sons by two wives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold
 
2012-11-23 10:45:37 AM
Daaaaaammmmnnnnnn, thats extensive. And when I do my ancestry, I can't get beyond my great grandparents :(
 
2012-11-23 12:25:16 PM
Wow. That seriously blows.
 
2012-11-23 12:29:07 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if I found out I am related to Mussolini, Charlemagne, Peter the Great, or even Captain John Smith; go back far enough you find that we are pretty much all related
 
2012-11-23 12:36:08 PM
She's in mine, too. Different path. Gross.
 
2012-11-23 12:45:59 PM
My most recent common ancestor is this guy, so I got some distance.

378 Silas Sears, b. Yarmouth, Mass., 11 Feb. 1719/20, d. Greenwich, Mass., 29 Feb. 1780
m. Harwich, Mass., 9 June 1743
 
2012-11-23 12:51:04 PM

brantgoose: Here's the culprits:

982 (=1014) Benjamin Newcomb, b. Edgartown, Mass., ... [ca. 1700], d. Waterborough [now Canning], Sunbury Co., New Brunswick, Canada, ...
m.
983 (=1015) Hannah Clark, b. ... , d. Waterborough [now Canning], Sunbury Co., New Brunswick, Canada, ...

http://www.wargs.com/political/heath.html

On the plus side, I also found a Governor Walter Clarke of Rhode Island who may or may not be related to Hannah Clark but is the father of another Clark(e) ancestor. He is the son of another Governor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarke_(governor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Clarke_(governor)

The Clark(e)s moved from Rhode Island to Connecticut before the Revolution and then to Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. I wouldn't be surprised if they were Quakers. I have quite a few Quaker ancestors who fled to Nova Scotia rather than violate their conscience by fighting or who became Planters (colonists, settlers) in Nova Scotia well before 1776-1783.

During much of the eighteenth and nineteenth century people moved freely between Eastern Canada, New England and the West. A lot of my cousins ended up in the North West where some of them became wealthy landowners, ranchers, farmers, merchants, etc., because of the many opportunities the rapid growth of the region presented for good hardworking Protestant folk.

Sarah Palin's ancestors, of all the Presidential candidates of recent elections, are the most WASP and the most concentrated in New England (and in this one case, Eastern Canada). Now that's what I call irony!

McCain's ancestors are mostly Irish-Scots from the South. Obama has the most diverse family tree, being part African, part British, and so forth. This is typical of many African Americans who are descended from slaves and masters alike, or from the rare individual who dared to flout racism and snobbery to marry across race lines. I don't know Biden's family background but I do know I have related to 13 American Presidents (which is not ...


I just want to know one thing: why does it bother people to find out that they are distantly related to politicians they abhor? Why should it matter if Palin is a 13th cousin 8 times removed? Why does something like that sicken you? Do you not know that pretty much we humans all have one common ancestor, right? We are all related.
 
2012-11-23 12:59:04 PM

raerae1980: Daaaaaammmmnnnnnn, thats extensive. And when I do my ancestry, I can't get beyond my great grandparents :(


Yeah I'm sort of the same. I'm fortunate to have information on a great great grandfather to begin with and work my way back to present times with, but starting from there I can only find as far back as his father. I don't know how everyone finds all this stuff.

Brantgoose, how do you do it?
 
2012-11-23 12:59:32 PM

raerae1980: Daaaaaammmmnnnnnn, thats extensive. And when I do my ancestry, I can't get beyond my great grandparents :(


I played around a little between ancestry.com & genealogy.com and got as far as great-great-grandparents on my father's side. I only got as far as great grandparents on my mother's side and, even then, very sporadic info.
 
2012-11-23 12:59:36 PM
I would feel the same if I found out I was distantly related to Nickelback.
 
2012-11-23 12:59:56 PM
Everyone on Earth is at most a 50th cousin or so, and it's more like 30th or so within ethnic groups.

Do the math:

According to Google, there were currently 6,974,000,000 people on Earth last year, give or take.

It takes 2 people to have a baby, so each person's family tree = 2^n, where n = the generation. You have 2 grandparents, and they're the second generation back, so 2^2 = 4. Simple. How many 7-great grandparents did you have? 2^7 = 128. And so on.

2^33 = 8,589,934,592

If you go back 33 generations, you have 8,589,934,592 33-great grandparents.

A generation averages somewhere between 15-25 years, depending on the culture. Let's call it 20, for easy math.

20 x 33 = 660. 30 x 33 = 990. So somewhere between let's call it 650 and 900 years ago, each and every one of us has 8,589,934,592 relations.

But, since the population of the world in 1400 was only about 375,000,000, there obviously has to be considerable overlap (and inbreeding), especially if you're pretty solidly one ethnicity.

Let's say you're an Irishman's Irishman: got the pale skin, the red hair, and you're named Paddy O'Houlihan. Well, Paddy...since the population of Ireland is only 4,500,000 and even at it's pre-potato famine peak was only 8,000,000or so...you have a lot of kissing cousins in your family tree.

Maybe even Sarah Palin. Or if you're luckier, Joe Biden.
 
2012-11-23 01:00:20 PM
So how many degrees of seperation are between you and Kevin Bacon, Submitter?
 
2012-11-23 01:01:06 PM

cman: I just want to know one thing: why does it bother people to find out that they are distantly related to politicians they abhor? Why should it matter if Palin is a 13th cousin 8 times removed? Why does something like that sicken you? Do you not know that pretty much we humans all have one common ancestor, right? We are all related.


Because it means the DNA is lurking in your body somewhere, just waiting to be passed onto the next pants-on-head retarded politician wannabe.
 
2012-11-23 01:04:26 PM
Everyone's related to those guys in the Rift Valley; 1 in 11 of you is related to Ghengis Kahn.

And some mormon somewhere probably already baptized your great great grandparents.
 
2012-11-23 01:21:29 PM
I can trace mine all the way back to Adam and Eve. We are all some part Jewish evidently.
 
2012-11-23 01:58:50 PM

PreMortem: I can trace mine all the way back to Adam and Eve.


Considering there was a time when we were down to about 100,000 or so -- almost --

click for graph -- COLORS! --> 

/pre-mortem nice
 
2012-11-23 02:04:05 PM
I'm *hoping* that one of my xmas gifts is a DNA testing kit from the National Geographic. I want to find out my deep ancestry, in part because I've has so much difficulty finding anything out about my relatives who remained on mainland Europe.
 
2012-11-23 03:29:53 PM
gods dammit so much

It HAS to be my teabagger Ma who has been trackin' the genealogical infos on our family and I will be damned as to how the blue hell I'm gonna pry it outta her elephantine ass.

I want my father's information if she has it!!

He had Danish ancestry and I WANT TO KNOW.
 
2012-11-23 04:06:00 PM
Subby's related to Sarah Palin?

You'll get over it.
 
2012-11-23 05:08:40 PM
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2012-11-23 06:30:07 PM
cman if we are all related, does that lend more creedence to big bang theory or bible stories?
 
2012-11-23 07:07:52 PM
Don't worry, subby, she'll fall off pretty soon.
 
2012-11-23 11:17:22 PM
whistleridge:...A generation averages somewhere between 15-25 years, depending on the culture...

I know there are exceptions to every 'rule', but this one fascinates me. For instance, my wife's grandfather (That's correct, grandfather), was born in 1867; the wife's not quite 50... yet. Whereas my mother's sister was a great grandmother when she was @50.

I rented a room from a nice old lady in the Binghampton, NY area (Johnson CIty) back in the early '80's. I got her talking about a picture in the 'sitting room': it was of a one room school house, a rather severe-looking woman, and maybe 15 or so children - I'd guess ranging in age from about 7 to 14, (she was one of the children).

I remember asking her about the older gentleman sitting in a rocking chair behind them, and she said:
"Oh, He was a Civil War Veteran. He used to come once a week and tell us stories about the War..."

/Stuff that seems far back in time... isn't.
//My own grandfather was riding his bicycle back from a neighbor's farm one night after doing chores, saw a bright light and heard a horrible racket, ran and hid behind a tree - it was the first car he'd ever seen... and he lived to see the moon landing - not that he believed it.
///he was in SF during the '06 quake, and caught a steamer up to Alaska (gold rush) before returning to scratch out a living on a small farm; and spent almost a third of his life working to pay off his wife's cancer bills - iirc he sent the last check to the hospital 25 years after she died...
 
2012-11-24 12:24:20 AM
I'm happy with whom I've found I'm descended from so far, and I can't imagine being that upset by a current cousin so far distant. I'm happy getting to the mid 1600s with two ancestors in America...and one of them, to my surprise, did not require a boat ride!
 
2012-11-24 12:29:30 AM
I love some of the names they came up with during colonial times. Some are obviously biblical in nature but there are some where I cannot figure the origin. For example, I was reading through some of my grandfather's genealogy books on my mother's side of the family. I have an ancestor whose first name is Zadok.

I scanned through your info briefly but even though we had ancestors from Plymouth, I didn't seen any familiar surnames.
 
2012-11-24 01:12:35 AM
Ahhh shes a Brewster. Im a Alden/Mullens/Bradford
 
2012-11-24 05:20:10 AM
I went through my family history on my mother's and father's sides, and... I'm thinking "slightly wacko boozer asshole" is genetic. A bunch of rich people who have nothing now and nothing to show for it.
 
2012-11-24 01:22:41 PM
I'm stuck with my great grandparents, since much of the records on my mom's side were destroyed by the Turks during the Armenian and Greek genocides, and my dad's family is a mess as well. Census and immigration documents don't match as far as ethnicity, country of origin, etc. Add to that the family story that my great grandfather was a Russian general who fled prior to the fall of the Romanovs, and it's harder to find truth about the family history than to get agreement in Congress.
 
2012-11-25 12:23:51 PM
Who cares? They are all dead. Focus on the moving forward, not living in the past.
 
2012-11-25 01:24:42 PM
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