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(CNN)   Ireland is being pressured to leave the ranks of third world nations   (cnn.com) divider line 10
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2012-11-23 04:16:50 PM  
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spawn73: People are morons though. But morons thankfully don't get to define a definition still used today in political science.


Actually, they do. That is how English works. Common usage has always been what defined the English language. The term may have different meanings in some circumstances, but in most usage "third world" is a synonym to the "developing world" and trying to be a pedantic ass doesn't change anything.
2012-11-23 03:32:30 PM  
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Kevin72: liam76: Kevin72: What a chintzy moneygrubbing tight-ass cheapskate. Would it have killed his pocketbook to fly to France or Italy or Mexico or Mississippi to get a legal abortion to save the life of his wife? It's not like they don't ban pregnant women from flying to prevent abortions?

Don't know if you are trolling or skipped the article, but they weren't planning on an abortion until they went to the hospital and encountered problems.

I was a bit tough on him. But to save the life of his wife, couldn't they have done some kind of emergency trip to Scotland or England at whatever the cost? He's an engineer and she was a dentist, income-wise. Lifesaving, my son, lifesaving.


In one of the instant red-lit links I submitted on this (not that I'm bitter), her condition degraded so quickly she couldn't travel.

Also, not defending Ireland on this, but the blame lies totally on the cowardly doctors who refused to perform the abortion. The laws were declared unconstitutional, the gov't had just been stalling in writing new ones. They had the legal right to do it, but chose not to.
2012-11-23 01:16:35 PM  
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coco ebert: It's time for the Irish to take this shiat to the streets. A couple of months back the conservative government in Turkey tried to severely restrict abortion and women (and men) took to the streets in massive numbers. Eventually the government backed down.


Women should just lock that shiat up until they get what they want. No pussy until you tell me its my pussy.
2012-11-23 11:15:32 AM  
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Fark It: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

In the U.S. there are more women having babies when they're older, and more diabetic/obese women having babies.


"The usual suspects--poverty, pre-existing conditions, obesity, teen pregnancy and lack of prenatal care--are most likely NOT completely responsible for the number of women who leave hospitals in coffins rather than walking out with their newborns in their arms."

You should educate yourself on women's health issues in this country before blaming them for dying while pregnant at the highest rate of any developed nation.

"...the maternal deaths in New York City were not correlated with poverty, education, obesity, lack of prenatal care or pre-existing conditions. One statistic in the study does stand out though: Of those mothers who died of embolisms, 82 percent were African American, 0 percent were white. Disturbing racial disparities also occurred in the other major causes of maternal death: hemorrhage, infection and pregnancy-induced hypertension. Embolisms are widely considered preventable."

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2012-11-23 09:30:26 AM  
2 votes:
I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."
2012-11-23 10:18:50 PM  
1 votes:

spawn73:
Nope. It's a definition used in political science, and it is clearly defined as having a specific meaning in relation to the cold war. Common usage won't ever change /that/ definition.


Actually given that it's former meaning is now of nothing more than historical interest, and its vernacular meaning is universal in both use and meaning, it is arguable that the primary meaning has completely changed. When someone says that Detroit resembles a third-world shiathole there is not one person reading who is confused, or who thinks 'why indeed, Detroit does appear to be politically unaligned vis-a-vis the former power blocs of the post-war period'.

You lose, you get nothing, good day to you sir.
2012-11-23 08:58:11 PM  
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Kibbler: mrshowrules: ginandbacon: Hunter_Worthington: ginandbacon: Why not? And what's arbitrary about the science of fetal brain development?

I'm not a neuro-scientist, so I can't answer that question. I can tell you, form a logical standpoint, liberals shouldn't be deciding something is/isn't a human being, if they're arguing elsewhere that Human Rights are universal.

Here sweetie. Get a little science in your worldview. When you have figured out the difference between an adult woman and a collection of cells that recognizes light, get back to me.

Part of me wishes he had a daughter in that type of circumstance so he could have some informed perspective but then I think it is just generally better that he doesn't reproduce.

I don't. He might consign her to a horrible death while smugly lecturing her about libby libs and their stupid libby lib human rights. LIBBY LIBS.

Wouldn't be her fault dad is an ass.


But it would be her fault for being a whore.

//chicks dig dicks.
2012-11-23 01:03:57 PM  
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GAT_00: make me some tea: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

I wonder what that rate is by U.S. state?

Link. Nearly twice as high in the District, surprisingly low in Alaska.


We can't actually measure it accurately. Only 21 states track maternal mortality rates. The CDC suspended reporting several years ago. The CIA and most international health organizations consider the US to be widely under-reporting the crisis. The one thing everyone agrees on is that it has at least tripled in the last couple of decades.
2012-11-23 11:09:30 AM  
1 votes:
When I read a story like that it makes me want to cry and/or stab somebody.
2012-11-23 09:25:51 AM  
1 votes:
But just think, she's now with her child in heaven and...ah wait, they're from India. Never mind.

/Christian logic
 
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