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2012-11-23 09:06:41 AM
lol. that's funny.
 
2012-11-23 09:25:51 AM
But just think, she's now with her child in heaven and...ah wait, they're from India. Never mind.

/Christian logic
 
2012-11-23 09:30:26 AM
I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."
 
2012-11-23 09:33:00 AM

ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."


Your argument is invalidated because Jesus.
 
2012-11-23 09:47:08 AM

ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."


Conservatives haven't gotten abortion banned yet, so we're still good to mock.
 
2012-11-23 09:47:20 AM

kid_icarus: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

Your argument is invalidated because Jesus.


I always forget Jesus.
 
2012-11-23 09:54:26 AM

kid_icarus: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

Your argument is invalidated because Jesus.


star.psy.ohio-state.edu
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-23 10:09:52 AM
Well, when you decide to settle in a backwards country run by theocrats who think it's still the middle ages that's the risk you take.
 
2012-11-23 10:58:03 AM
And yet another story dealing with Christians that has pissed me off. I need more pie!!
 
2012-11-23 11:01:44 AM

ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."


In the U.S. there are more women having babies when they're older, and more diabetic/obese women having babies.
 
2012-11-23 11:09:30 AM
When I read a story like that it makes me want to cry and/or stab somebody.
 
2012-11-23 11:10:24 AM

vpb: Well, when you decide to settle in a backwards country run by theocrats who think it's still the middle ages that's the risk you take.


I guess y'all are just taking a slightly lower risk by staying in the US.
 
2012-11-23 11:15:32 AM

Fark It: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

In the U.S. there are more women having babies when they're older, and more diabetic/obese women having babies.


"The usual suspects--poverty, pre-existing conditions, obesity, teen pregnancy and lack of prenatal care--are most likely NOT completely responsible for the number of women who leave hospitals in coffins rather than walking out with their newborns in their arms."

You should educate yourself on women's health issues in this country before blaming them for dying while pregnant at the highest rate of any developed nation.

"...the maternal deaths in New York City were not correlated with poverty, education, obesity, lack of prenatal care or pre-existing conditions. One statistic in the study does stand out though: Of those mothers who died of embolisms, 82 percent were African American, 0 percent were white. Disturbing racial disparities also occurred in the other major causes of maternal death: hemorrhage, infection and pregnancy-induced hypertension. Embolisms are widely considered preventable."

Link
 
2012-11-23 11:17:02 AM

mrshowrules: vpb: Well, when you decide to settle in a backwards country run by theocrats who think it's still the middle ages that's the risk you take.

I guess y'all are just taking a slightly lower risk by staying in the US.


Maternal mortality is actually a higher risk in the US.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-23 11:20:25 AM

mrshowrules: vpb: Well, when you decide to settle in a backwards country run by theocrats who think it's still the middle ages that's the risk you take.

I guess y'all are just taking a slightly lower risk by staying in the US.


It depends on which one of the United States you are talking about.
 
2012-11-23 11:37:53 AM

vpb: mrshowrules: vpb: Well, when you decide to settle in a backwards country run by theocrats who think it's still the middle ages that's the risk you take.

I guess y'all are just taking a slightly lower risk by staying in the US.

It depends on which one of the United States you are talking about.


I guess the ones where corn chips is considered a vegetable and a beautiful pick-up truck is what the bride and groom rent for their big day.
 
2012-11-23 11:50:45 AM

ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."


I wonder what that rate is by U.S. state?
 
2012-11-23 12:22:42 PM

make me some tea: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

I wonder what that rate is by U.S. state?


Link. Nearly twice as high in the District, surprisingly low in Alaska.
 
2012-11-23 12:50:22 PM

GAT_00: make me some tea: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

I wonder what that rate is by U.S. state?

Link. Nearly twice as high in the District, surprisingly low in Alaska.


Wow.

According to this, D.C. is so high because too many women don't have health insurance, hence they don't get prenatal care, which increases their likelihood of dying during childbirth by 4x.

Damn. That sucks.
 
2012-11-23 01:03:57 PM

GAT_00: make me some tea: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

I wonder what that rate is by U.S. state?

Link. Nearly twice as high in the District, surprisingly low in Alaska.


We can't actually measure it accurately. Only 21 states track maternal mortality rates. The CDC suspended reporting several years ago. The CIA and most international health organizations consider the US to be widely under-reporting the crisis. The one thing everyone agrees on is that it has at least tripled in the last couple of decades.
 
2012-11-23 01:09:57 PM
It's time for the Irish to take this shiat to the streets. A couple of months back the conservative government in Turkey tried to severely restrict abortion and women (and men) took to the streets in massive numbers. Eventually the government backed down.
 
2012-11-23 01:16:35 PM

coco ebert: It's time for the Irish to take this shiat to the streets. A couple of months back the conservative government in Turkey tried to severely restrict abortion and women (and men) took to the streets in massive numbers. Eventually the government backed down.


Women should just lock that shiat up until they get what they want. No pussy until you tell me its my pussy.
 
2012-11-23 02:20:20 PM

mrshowrules: coco ebert: It's time for the Irish to take this shiat to the streets. A couple of months back the conservative government in Turkey tried to severely restrict abortion and women (and men) took to the streets in massive numbers. Eventually the government backed down.

Women should just lock that shiat up until they get what they want. No pussy until you tell me its my pussy.


Wut
 
2012-11-23 02:26:54 PM
Now that's some PRO-LIFE shiat right there!

PRAISE JESUS!!
 
2012-11-23 02:41:51 PM
What a chintzy moneygrubbing tight-ass cheapskate. Would it have killed his pocketbook to fly to France or Italy or Mexico or Mississippi to get a legal abortion to save the life of his wife? It's not like they don't ban pregnant women from flying to prevent abortions?
 
2012-11-23 02:48:17 PM
Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.
 
2012-11-23 02:49:29 PM

coco ebert: mrshowrules: coco ebert: It's time for the Irish to take this shiat to the streets. A couple of months back the conservative government in Turkey tried to severely restrict abortion and women (and men) took to the streets in massive numbers. Eventually the government backed down.

Women should just lock that shiat up until they get what they want. No pussy until you tell me its my pussy.

Wut


Irish women should have a sex strike until Irish society agrees that women should have control of their own reproductive rights.
 
2012-11-23 02:51:39 PM

Kevin72: What a chintzy moneygrubbing tight-ass cheapskate. Would it have killed his pocketbook to fly to France or Italy or Mexico or Mississippi to get a legal abortion to save the life of his wife? It's not like they don't ban pregnant women from flying to prevent abortions?


Don't know if you are trolling or skipped the article, but they weren't planning on an abortion until they went to the hospital and encountered problems.
 
2012-11-23 02:56:15 PM

SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.


...and Switzerland, as a neutral country, is also a third-world nation?
 
2012-11-23 02:57:27 PM

coco ebert: It's time for the Irish to take this shiat to the streets. A couple of months back the conservative government in Turkey tried to severely restrict abortion and women (and men) took to the streets in massive numbers. Eventually the government backed down.


When Turkey makes you look bad, it's time to reevaluate things.
Ireland, get your shiat together and allow abortions, and of course the right for abortion protestors to get abortions and lie about it.
 
2012-11-23 02:58:58 PM

make me some tea: I wonder what that rate is by U.S. state?


State Data

As always, New England is Best England America.
1. Maine (lowest)
2. Vermont
5. Massachusetts
7. Rhode Island
 
2012-11-23 03:00:47 PM

FarkTorrance: SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.

...and Switzerland, as a neutral country, is also a third-world nation?


Yes.

People erroneously say "third world" when what they mean is "developing nation"
 
2012-11-23 03:03:47 PM
kid_icarus: But just think, she's now with her child in heaven and...ah wait, they're from India. Never mind.

/Christian logic


Is Christian logic a lot like strawman logic?
 
2012-11-23 03:05:09 PM
ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."


Strange...this article is about Indians living in Ireland. How does the United States figure?
 
2012-11-23 03:11:36 PM

liam76: Kevin72: What a chintzy moneygrubbing tight-ass cheapskate. Would it have killed his pocketbook to fly to France or Italy or Mexico or Mississippi to get a legal abortion to save the life of his wife? It's not like they don't ban pregnant women from flying to prevent abortions?

Don't know if you are trolling or skipped the article, but they weren't planning on an abortion until they went to the hospital and encountered problems.


I was a bit tough on him. But to save the life of his wife, couldn't they have done some kind of emergency trip to Scotland or England at whatever the cost? He's an engineer and she was a dentist, income-wise. Lifesaving, my son, lifesaving.
 
2012-11-23 03:15:44 PM

SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their communist allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.


Thank you.
 
2012-11-23 03:21:36 PM

Cubicle Jockey: make me some tea: I wonder what that rate is by U.S. state?

State Data

As always, New England is Best England America.
1. Maine (lowest)
2. Vermont
5. Massachusetts
7. Rhode Island


He said "States". I'm pretty sure those are Canadian Provinces.
 
2012-11-23 03:29:34 PM

SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.


Ireland is a US ally? This will come as a surprise to them.
 
2012-11-23 03:32:30 PM

Kevin72: liam76: Kevin72: What a chintzy moneygrubbing tight-ass cheapskate. Would it have killed his pocketbook to fly to France or Italy or Mexico or Mississippi to get a legal abortion to save the life of his wife? It's not like they don't ban pregnant women from flying to prevent abortions?

Don't know if you are trolling or skipped the article, but they weren't planning on an abortion until they went to the hospital and encountered problems.

I was a bit tough on him. But to save the life of his wife, couldn't they have done some kind of emergency trip to Scotland or England at whatever the cost? He's an engineer and she was a dentist, income-wise. Lifesaving, my son, lifesaving.


In one of the instant red-lit links I submitted on this (not that I'm bitter), her condition degraded so quickly she couldn't travel.

Also, not defending Ireland on this, but the blame lies totally on the cowardly doctors who refused to perform the abortion. The laws were declared unconstitutional, the gov't had just been stalling in writing new ones. They had the legal right to do it, but chose not to.
 
2012-11-23 03:37:22 PM

ComicBookGuy: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

Strange...this article is about Indians living in Ireland. How does the United States figure?


Everything is about the United States.
 
2012-11-23 03:38:09 PM

SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.


Unfortunately the meaning of terms change and "Third World" has become synonymous with "Developing nations"
 
2012-11-23 04:09:31 PM

FarkTorrance: SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.

...and Switzerland, as a neutral country, is also a third-world nation?


Are you trolling?

Yes, Switzerland, Sweden and Finland was 3rd world. You understood that, so why did you ask?
 
2012-11-23 04:11:30 PM

Kevin72: I was a bit tough on him. But to save the life of his wife, couldn't they have done some kind of emergency trip to Scotland or England at whatever the cost? He's an engineer and she was a dentist, income-wise. Lifesaving, my son, lifesaving.


She died from infection caused by her cervix being open during the miscarriage. She probably wasn't judged to be in danger until the infection set in, after the termination was no longer necessary. We only know that the termination would be lifesaving with the benefit of hindsight, so cut the guy some slack.
 
2012-11-23 04:11:43 PM

dywed88: SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.

Unfortunately the meaning of terms change and "Third World" has become synonymous with "Developing nations"


No it hasn't.

People are morons though. But morons thankfully don't get to define a definition still used today in political science.
 
2012-11-23 04:16:49 PM

SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.


You are correct.

Re Switzerland - it was aligned in terms of economic philosophy.

HOWEVER, the original meaning has been lost. Ask someone on the street the definition of a second world country, and they will have no clue.

/subby
 
2012-11-23 04:16:50 PM

spawn73: People are morons though. But morons thankfully don't get to define a definition still used today in political science.


Actually, they do. That is how English works. Common usage has always been what defined the English language. The term may have different meanings in some circumstances, but in most usage "third world" is a synonym to the "developing world" and trying to be a pedantic ass doesn't change anything.
 
2012-11-23 04:32:08 PM

Fark It: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

In the U.S. there are more women having babies when they're older, and more diabetic/obese women having babies.


So your point is, "If we ignore THESE dead infants, we are not doing badly!"

We have high infant mortality and lower life expectancy in the US. Period

We have a crappy health care system, considering we spend twice as much per person as normal countries.
 
2012-11-23 04:32:12 PM

dywed88: spawn73: People are morons though. But morons thankfully don't get to define a definition still used today in political science.

Actually, they do. That is how English works. Common usage has always been what defined the English language. The term may have different meanings in some circumstances, but in most usage "third world" is a synonym to the "developing world" and trying to be a pedantic ass doesn't change anything.


^ This. The REAL meaning of English is embodied in your average Wal*Mart shopper. Go ask them what a third world county is, and what it means these days.

Hint: Most of them couldn't tell you what "political science" was if their lives depended on it AND they had a lifeline.
 
2012-11-23 04:39:34 PM

Fark It: ginandbacon: I don't think we in this country should be gloating: "In 2010, countries with highest maternal mortality were: Chad (1,100), Somalia (1,000), Central African Republic, (890), Sierra Leone (890) and Burundi (800).[11]
Lowest rates included Estonia at 2 per 100,000 and Singapore at 3 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010."

In the U.S. there are more women having babies when they're older, and more diabetic/obese women having babies.


Low income, non-english speaking, and minorities. Afro-american women 3 times as likely to die then their white counterparts during labor. - CDC in Atlanta Georgia

CNN Health
 
2012-11-23 04:47:36 PM

spawn73: dywed88: SomeAmerican: Third world doesn't mean what subby thinks it means. It's a cold war term.

First world: the US and its allies.
Second world: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies.
Third world: unaligned states.

So Ireland is 1st world.

Unfortunately the meaning of terms change and "Third World" has become synonymous with "Developing nations"

No it hasn't.

People are morons though. But morons thankfully don't get to define a definition still used today in political science.


Happens all the time, sorry about your luck. Ask any old school coder about hackers. Funniest part to me is that I'm familiar with the definitions you're using but use the more common developing nation meaning unless I'm talking to political types.

Cheers

//script-kiddies are not hackers
 
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