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(KTAR Phoenix)   Head of a Catholic charity calls a $2,000 donation from Wal-Mart "blood money" and refuses to accept it because of the company's effect on the community's small businesses and its low wages   (ktar.com) divider line 77
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2012-11-23 01:15:07 AM
didn't see that coming
 
2012-11-23 02:23:41 AM
I love Tucson.
 
2012-11-23 02:42:00 AM
1) It is not a Catholic Charity, it is part of the Catholic Worker Movement which is not organized, sponsored, or approved by the Catholic Church.
2) I can't find a 501(c)3 organization with that name or anything even close in Arizona.

That said, it does seem to do good work and they should probably take the money rather than politically posture. The Catholic Worker Movement is a bit socialist, but they do good works. Reading the Wikipedia article will be enlightening.
 
2012-11-23 07:20:35 AM
"Wal-Mart said in a statement that its pay and benefits typically meet or exceed what's offered by its competitors..."

...competitors, such as meth-whoring and sleeping in a cardboard box underneath a bridge.
 
2012-11-23 07:45:57 AM
www.thadguy.com
 
2012-11-23 07:46:00 AM
I'mOkayWithThis.jpg
 
2012-11-23 07:48:55 AM
www.allamericanblogger.com
 
2012-11-23 07:50:36 AM
I don't think there are many small retail businesses that pay their employees very much. At least not those in the same market as Walmart.

/Small business owners do a bit better, though.
 
2012-11-23 07:56:49 AM
They got Dadded.
 
2012-11-23 07:57:07 AM

Snarfangel: I don't think there are many small retail businesses that pay their employees very much. At least not those in the same market as Walmart.

/Small business owners do a bit better, though.


Well, small business has a higher portion of owners, and they are more likely to have their employees be full time. Sure they hire fewer workers (even as a group), but those workers are better off.
 
2012-11-23 07:58:02 AM
WHAR HERO TAG?!? WHAR?
 
2012-11-23 08:02:03 AM
Interesting coming from the world's largest pedophile ring.
 
2012-11-23 08:22:31 AM
Two grand? Pffft.

After the publicity this action generates the charity will rake in ten-times that.
 
2012-11-23 08:29:53 AM
Snarfangel:
I don't think there are many small retail businesses that pay their employees very much. At least not those in the same market as Walmart.

"Damn Wal-Mart for taking those small-retail minimum wage jobs from failing stores and replacing them with large-retail $10 an hour jobs!"
 
2012-11-23 08:44:26 AM
Kiddie fiddlers won't take money from slave drivers.
 
2012-11-23 08:58:26 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: WHAR HERO TAG?!? WHAR?


If it were here there would be dozens of people saying that the Hero tag has been abused yet again... You just can't win here.
 
2012-11-23 10:13:43 AM
Another union hack. At least this one helps by feeding poor people.
 
2012-11-23 10:17:55 AM
Always love to see the beggars getting choosy.
I guess if they turn down donations, they must have all the money they need.
 
2012-11-23 10:19:54 AM

feckingmorons: 1) It is not a Catholic Charity, it is part of the Catholic Worker Movement which is not organized, sponsored, or approved by the Catholic Church.
2) I can't find a 501(c)3 organization with that name or anything even close in Arizona.

That said, it does seem to do good work and they should probably take the money rather than politically posture. The Catholic Worker Movement is a bit socialist, but they do good works. Reading the Wikipedia article will be enlightening.


It's part of the Casa Maria Barrio Preservation Project (Arizona registered trade name) run by Barrios Unidos Land Trust (Arizona registered charitable corporation / IRS registered public charity).
 
2012-11-23 10:20:42 AM

GoldDude: Always love to see the beggars getting choosy.
I guess if they turn down donations, they must have all the money they need.


Or they have standards and principles they're unwilling to compromise.
 
2012-11-23 10:28:37 AM
So wait...does this mean all Catholics are now are left-wing Obama-loving commies or are they still ignorant right-wing bible thumpers who don't want to pay for abortions?
 
2012-11-23 10:34:06 AM
But the church will happy accept a donation from JC Penney's,
where little boys pants are half off this Black Friday . . .
 
2012-11-23 10:52:31 AM
wow, 2000 bucks?

MaoMart really went out on a limb with that kind of money.
 
2012-11-23 11:03:18 AM
Linux_Yes:
wow, 2000 bucks?

MaoMart really went out on a limb with that kind of money.


Other than the fact it was part of a combined $15,000 they donated to various charities for their grand opening celebration of that one store?

Last year, Wal-Mart gave just short of $1 billion to charity, in cash and donated items (food, mostly).
 
2012-11-23 11:07:18 AM
Or how about the fact that Wal-Mart shovels money to Communist China, who forcibly abort babies (at term while crowning) in the enforcement of their one child policy. And that's just when they are not busy persecuting, jailing and executing Christians.

Fark Wal-Mart
Fark China

You want to know who put America here? The Waltons did.
 
2012-11-23 11:10:28 AM

cirby: Linux_Yes:
wow, 2000 bucks?

MaoMart really went out on a limb with that kind of money.

Other than the fact it was part of a combined $15,000 they donated to various charities for their grand opening celebration of that one store?

Last year, Wal-Mart gave just short of $1 billion to charity, in cash and donated items (food, mostly).


I wonder how much of that food eventually goes to their own workers who can't afford to eat.
 
2012-11-23 11:13:42 AM

cirby: Last year, Wal-Mart gave just short of $1 billion to charity, in cash and donated items (food, mostly).


If you donate food to your employees because you don't pay them enough to afford their own food, It' s hardly charity.
 
2012-11-23 11:16:02 AM

Buffalo77: Another union hack. At least this one helps by feeding poor people.


So.. did you just feel like saying something hateful?
 
2012-11-23 11:16:32 AM

CPennypacker: I wonder how much of that food eventually goes to their own workers who can't afford to eat.


A lot. I knew a girl who worked at walmart. Barely paid minium wage, gave her 1 hour less then needed to require giving her health insurance.

I ended up paying for her wisdom teeth removal because I could no longer stand to see her barely capable of eating and in pain all the time, and there was no way she was going to be able to afford it on her own.
 
2012-11-23 11:29:15 AM
CPennypacker:
I wonder how much of that food eventually goes to their own workers who can't afford to eat.

Considering that Wal-Mart is pretty much average for pay scales compared to other companies with similar workforces, not as much as you seem to think. For hiring mostly unskilled workers, they actually pay a decent amount. Certainly more than the little mom-and-pop stores they supposedly replace.

A lot of the people who work the low-dollar jobs at Wal-Mart aren't exactly up for those $100,000/year professional jobs - or even the $50,000 manufacturing jobs the unions are trying to compare them to. Eight to ten bucks an hour to swipe things over a cash register scanner? Pretty good, overall. They also pay more in areas that cost more - $8 an hour in a smaller town, ten or more in the bigger cities. 

Yeah's it's not great pay - but it's also about as far down the "needed" list as you can go. It's literally so low-priority that a lot of stores are putting in self-service lines. Yes, it's more cost-effective to trust people not to steal than to have someone ring up their purchases.  That's how little the job is worth in the real world.
 
2012-11-23 11:33:05 AM

cirby: CPennypacker:
I wonder how much of that food eventually goes to their own workers who can't afford to eat.

Considering that Wal-Mart is pretty much average for pay scales compared to other companies with similar workforces, not as much as you seem to think. For hiring mostly unskilled workers, they actually pay a decent amount. Certainly more than the little mom-and-pop stores they supposedly replace.

A lot of the people who work the low-dollar jobs at Wal-Mart aren't exactly up for those $100,000/year professional jobs - or even the $50,000 manufacturing jobs the unions are trying to compare them to. Eight to ten bucks an hour to swipe things over a cash register scanner? Pretty good, overall. They also pay more in areas that cost more - $8 an hour in a smaller town, ten or more in the bigger cities. 

Yeah's it's not great pay - but it's also about as far down the "needed" list as you can go. It's literally so low-priority that a lot of stores are putting in self-service lines. Yes, it's more cost-effective to trust people not to steal than to have someone ring up their purchases.  That's how little the job is worth in the real world.


$8.27 an hour in large cities, not $10. That is a livable wage only if you have roommates, no insurance, and no dependents.
 
2012-11-23 11:34:12 AM

feckingmorons: 1) It is not a Catholic Charity, it is part of the Catholic Worker Movement which is not organized, sponsored, or approved by the Catholic Church.


Neither is the Catholic League, officially, but you seem to take Bill Donohue's word as gospel.
 
2012-11-23 11:34:45 AM

cirby: Snarfangel:
I don't think there are many small retail businesses that pay their employees very much. At least not those in the same market as Walmart.

"Damn Wal-Mart for taking those small-retail minimum wage jobs from failing stores and replacing them with large-retail $10 an hour jobs!"


Exactly.

Look, Wal-Mart is pretty evil. They've done more to drive down wages (or at leas, prevent them from even keeping up with inflation) in this country than any other company, probably.

But those "mom & pop" stores everyone likes to defend? They pay even less, and have no benefits, and worse, if "mom & pop" are nuts, you don't have any kind of corporate HR policies in place to protect you from their nuttiness.

Basically "mom & pop" tend to be petty tyrants, and the only people making a decent living from that "mom & pop" store are mom & pop. Their employees are even WORSE off than Wal-Mart employees.

I've lived in Iowa my whole life, and I've worked for "mom & pop" a few times. They're dirtbags. Wal-Mart treats their employees VASTLY better. Which is pitiful and ridiculous, but true.
 
2012-11-23 11:37:57 AM

cirby: CPennypacker:
I wonder how much of that food eventually goes to their own workers who can't afford to eat.

Considering that Wal-Mart is pretty much average for pay scales compared to other companies with similar workforces, not as much as you seem to think. For hiring mostly unskilled workers, they actually pay a decent amount. Certainly more than the little mom-and-pop stores they supposedly replace.

A lot of the people who work the low-dollar jobs at Wal-Mart aren't exactly up for those $100,000/year professional jobs - or even the $50,000 manufacturing jobs the unions are trying to compare them to. Eight to ten bucks an hour to swipe things over a cash register scanner? Pretty good, overall. They also pay more in areas that cost more - $8 an hour in a smaller town, ten or more in the bigger cities. 

Yeah's it's not great pay - but it's also about as far down the "needed" list as you can go. It's literally so low-priority that a lot of stores are putting in self-service lines. Yes, it's more cost-effective to trust people not to steal than to have someone ring up their purchases.  That's how little the job is worth in the real world.


It doesn't matter. When you are the largest private employer in the world you have a responsibility to the communities you enter. If Wal Mart is the only job these people can get then Wal Mart needs to pay them enough to exist because if they don't, the American tax payer has to pony up the difference. Maybe not a big deal for a Mom and Pop store who has 3 workers, but when you come in and literally shut down every other business in the area because they can't compete, there is no "go get a better job somewhere else." Please excuse me if I can't shed a tear for a company posting almost 7 Billion dollars in profits.
 
2012-11-23 11:38:54 AM
fluffy2097:
If you donate food to your employees because you don't pay them enough to afford their own food, It' s hardly charity.

That's also not what they do.

It's funny - the people who complain the most about Wal-Mart's low pay - are the people who don't work there, and never did. Or, of course, the ones who were fired because they couldn't even manage THAT level of work...

I knew a girl who worked at walmart. Barely paid minium wage, gave her 1 hour less then needed to require giving her health insurance.

...at least, that's what she told you to get you to give her money.
 
2012-11-23 11:41:41 AM

realmolo: But those "mom & pop" stores everyone likes to defend? They pay even less, and have no benefits, and worse, if "mom & pop" are nuts, you don't have any kind of corporate HR policies in place to protect you from their nuttiness.

Basically "mom & pop" tend to be petty tyrants, and the only people making a decent living from that "mom & pop" store are mom & pop. Their employees are even WORSE off than Wal-Mart employees.


It was not legally possible for the Walmart I knew people in to pay them less. Nobody but management had benefits, and when management was nuts, you better suck their dicks if you wanted your hours.

Corporate gave no shiats about what went on because they never found out. Troublemakers were fired on the spot before they could go to anyone. Most of the employees there were simply beaten down people with no will left to fight management because getting fired meant being homeless in a matter of days/weeks.

Walmart treats employees no better then a shiatty mom and pop.
 
2012-11-23 11:43:18 AM

cirby: fluffy2097:
If you donate food to your employees because you don't pay them enough to afford their own food, It' s hardly charity.

That's also not what they do.

It's funny - the people who complain the most about Wal-Mart's low pay - are the people who don't work there, and never did. Or, of course, the ones who were fired because they couldn't even manage THAT level of work...

I knew a girl who worked at walmart. Barely paid minium wage, gave her 1 hour less then needed to require giving her health insurance.

...at least, that's what she told you to get you to give her money.


Your username should have a Florida tag next to it.
 
2012-11-23 11:45:04 AM
machdonkeywrestler:
$8.27 an hour in large cities, not $10. That is a livable wage only if you have roommates, no insurance, and no dependents.

Nope - you're using the "national average" figure - which includes all of those small-town cases (where yes, you can live on minimum wage, or where they have a lot of high school kids with part-time jobs, or a lot of college students).

It's such a hellish existence to be a low-wage worker who has to (dramatic music) HAVE ROOMMATES!

What you're basically saying is "yes, those people have almost no job skills, so everyone else should have to pay higher prices to give them more money to support their lifestyles and dependents."

Meanwhile, the actual working (and non-working) poor who depend on Wal-Mart's lower prices? Screw them, their monthly costs just went up ten percent to fund the people who can't get a real job...
 
2012-11-23 11:47:58 AM

cirby: machdonkeywrestler:
$8.27 an hour in large cities, not $10. That is a livable wage only if you have roommates, no insurance, and no dependents.

Nope - you're using the "national average" figure - which includes all of those small-town cases (where yes, you can live on minimum wage, or where they have a lot of high school kids with part-time jobs, or a lot of college students).

It's such a hellish existence to be a low-wage worker who has to (dramatic music) HAVE ROOMMATES!

What you're basically saying is "yes, those people have almost no job skills, so everyone else should have to pay higher prices to give them more money to support their lifestyles and dependents."

Meanwhile, the actual working (and non-working) poor who depend on Wal-Mart's lower prices? Screw them, their monthly costs just went up ten percent to fund the people who can't get a real job...


Link

Yeah that $12.50 a year average per shopper price increase would really kill them.
 
2012-11-23 12:05:16 PM
There will always be a job sector that doesn't pay enough. Be glad that it is currently unskilled retail work and not something hard.
 
2012-11-23 12:05:55 PM
I remember a few years back the job I had gave me a $300 bonus, i was pissed and wanted to give it back, really wish they just gave me nothing... wonder if Wal-Mart gave them 100K, would they have morals to turn it down then?...
 
2012-11-23 12:11:24 PM
Charity head: "It is about the principle," Flagg said, "but it'd be harder to resist $200,000 (donation from Walmart). I'm just being real with you."

Props for honesty! :-)
 
2012-11-23 12:26:35 PM

feckingmorons: 1) It is not a Catholic Charity, it is part of the Catholic Worker Movement which is not organized, sponsored, or approved by the Catholic Church.
2) I can't find a 501(c)3 organization with that name or anything even close in Arizona.

That said, it does seem to do good work and they should probably take the money rather than politically posture. The Catholic Worker Movement is a bit socialist, but they do good works. Reading the Wikipedia article will be enlightening.


So, it's not the Catholic church versus Walmart. I suppose, there'll be no cage fight then?
 
2012-11-23 12:27:34 PM

cirby: Snarfangel:
I don't think there are many small retail businesses that pay their employees very much. At least not those in the same market as Walmart.

"Damn Wal-Mart for taking those small-retail minimum wage jobs from failing stores and replacing them with large-retail $10 an hour jobs!"


you are completely farking delusional if you think that's what Wal-mart does. Frist Wal-mart barely pays minimum wage. Anything you read from them to the contrary is a lie. They claim thier AVERAGE wage is $12, but that throws every store worker, every manager, regional manager, VPO, executive and even the CEO into a single pot and then divides evenly. In other words a way to make math lie.

I used to work for the SBA and after a while the "cause of business failure" reports we got from lenders seeking payment on a loan gaurantee went from three to four page economic alayses of the local market to one word: "Wal-mart"

Wal-Mart kills local businesses. period. It is an essential part of their business strategy ("We want the only competitor to a Wal-mart store to be the next Wal-Mort store one town over". And they ahve anihiliated jobs of local pharmacists, hardware store owners, local grocery chains etc. Worse yet, because they rarely if ever advertise in local newpapers they killed local journalism because they wipe out the small business whose advertising dollars used to support hometown papers, and then they don't replace them with anything comparable because they really don't HAVE to advertise when they are the only store of significance in town
 
2012-11-23 12:45:36 PM
I have never stepped foot in a Wal-Mart in my life and I will happily continue that policy. I don't even know if there is a Wal-Mart within 50 miles of me and I have no desire to find out. The more I hear about that company, the more I despise them.
 
2012-11-23 12:45:37 PM

Lunaville: feckingmorons: 1) It is not a Catholic Charity, it is part of the Catholic Worker Movement which is not organized, sponsored, or approved by the Catholic Church.
2) I can't find a 501(c)3 organization with that name or anything even close in Arizona.

That said, it does seem to do good work and they should probably take the money rather than politically posture. The Catholic Worker Movement is a bit socialist, but they do good works. Reading the Wikipedia article will be enlightening.

So, it's not the Catholic church versus Walmart. I suppose, there'll be no cage fight then?


In this corner "Super Walmart" and in the opposing corner "Little boy's pants half off"
 
2012-11-23 01:04:57 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Snarfangel: I don't think there are many small retail businesses that pay their employees very much. At least not those in the same market as Walmart.

/Small business owners do a bit better, though.

Well, small business has a higher portion of owners, and they are more likely to have their employees be full time. Sure they hire fewer workers (even as a group), but those workers are better off.


i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-23 02:13:32 PM

feckingmorons: 1) It is not a Catholic Charity, it is part of the Catholic Worker Movement which is not organized, sponsored, or approved by the Catholic Church.
2) I can't find a 501(c)3 organization with that name or anything even close in Arizona.

That said, it does seem to do good work and they should probably take the money rather than politically posture. The Catholic Worker Movement is a bit socialist, but they do good works. Reading the Wikipedia article will be enlightening.



subby probably knew that but she wanted to twist things around in a lame attempt to make a point.

She failed.
 
2012-11-23 02:20:20 PM
Wow. Talk about the rock and the hard place - whom do you side with in a case like this?
 
2012-11-23 02:25:45 PM
I'd be curious to learn how much tax money was given to Wal-Mart in Walton-heir-welfareincentives from the gubmint? Did they at least give a good % of their state welfare check back?

Nope.

Wal-Mart in Arizona
■At least 6 Wal-Mart locations have received subsidies worth about $33 million in Arizona.
■At least 12 Wal-Mart locations in Arizona have challenged their property tax assessment, recouping about $657,000.
■Wal-Mart was found to have more workers than any other employer in the state relying on publicly-funded health insurance. This shows how taxpayers end up subsidizing Wal-Mart's policy of providing low wages and inadequate benefits.
http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/states/arizona 

/thank god for job-creators
 
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