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(The New York Times)   Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, you've just negotiated a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. What are you going to do next? "I'm going to ... give myself dictatorial powers"   (nytimes.com) divider line 53
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2012-11-23 09:53:04 AM
Jeez, I bet nobody saw THAT coming.

/for large values of nobody
 
2012-11-23 10:27:47 AM
Aboslute power corrupts absolutely?
 
2012-11-23 10:34:31 AM
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
2012-11-23 10:35:25 AM
Brotherhood is Arabic for our way or the firing squad
 
2012-11-23 10:42:32 AM
I guess his CIA handlers want to make things less complicated. Team America F yeah! The US has always been a Faux Tahririst Sympathizer. Gaza has caught out most western governments as lackies and hypocrites. To think of the heavy price America has paid so a bunch of Jewish religious fanatics can be as racist as they want is maddening.
 
2012-11-23 10:42:42 AM
I'm shocked, shocked to learn that the man whose party lied about not running for the presidency and lied about democratic values has declared himself above review.

Wait, this is the Middle East. Film at 11.
 
2012-11-23 10:43:39 AM

Mahhughes: I guess his CIA handlers


Everything's a conspiracy, eh?
 
2012-11-23 10:43:51 AM
LOL, typical histrionic NYT headline.

Arab Spring a failure, therefore Charles Krauthammer is automatically President of Egypt and Israel gets the Sinai.

/yawn
 
2012-11-23 10:44:14 AM
i253.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-23 10:47:06 AM
I think the problem is that constitutionally-bound democracy is intended to produce deadlock between powers, and to generally get in the way of getting things done. Mainly to avoid things getting done to people, and especially to the people who get in the way. In practice democracies like Canada, for example, are essentially dictatorships because what mainly gets done is the house-keeping. It breaks down when there's an argument over whose turn it is to pay the bill though, or basically anything else that isn't so simple or straightforward that reasonable people can't reasonable disagree on it. .
 
2012-11-23 10:47:07 AM
The more things change the more theystay the same.
 
2012-11-23 10:47:31 AM
I dunno, I'd still rather go to Disney World.
 
2012-11-23 10:49:00 AM
Sounds like Morsi can do as he pleases now that the State Department owes him their support as payback for the Gaza deal.
 
2012-11-23 10:52:34 AM
What a dict.
 
2012-11-23 10:52:39 AM
Lets just take all our bombs, duct tape them together, and just get rid of that whole region already. Just end it.
 
2012-11-23 10:53:51 AM
Another ME despot.... who'd of thunk
 
2012-11-23 10:54:44 AM
There's more than one way to restore the Caliphate.
 
2012-11-23 10:54:54 AM

Nurglitch: I think the problem is that constitutionally-bound democracy is intended to produce deadlock between powers, and to generally get in the way of getting things done. Mainly to avoid things getting done to people, and especially to the people who get in the way.


Up until this point, I agree with you, but see it as a feature, not a bug. That said...

In practice democracies like Canada, for example, are essentially dictatorships because what mainly gets done is the house-keeping. It breaks down when there's an argument over whose turn it is to pay the bill though, or basically anything else that isn't so simple or straightforward that reasonable people can't reasonable disagree on it. .

I'm not sure how you get from deadlock to dictatorship. It's true that "the housekeeping" is most of what democracies do, but it's not hard to argue that this is most (if not all) of what democracies should do. Why is that "essentially dictatorship"?
 
2012-11-23 10:55:58 AM

Nurglitch: ...In practice democracies like Canada, for example, are essentially dictatorships...


You're an utter moron. You're from Nova Scotia, and you have no idea how our government works?
Only goes to prove the stereotype about Maritimers, I suppose.
 
2012-11-23 10:57:05 AM

LemSkroob: Lets just take all our bombs, duct tape them together, and just get rid of that whole region already. Just end it.


The aliens are going to that.

Except it wont just be Egypt.
 
Biv
2012-11-23 10:58:19 AM

starsrift: Nurglitch: ...In practice democracies like Canada, for example, are essentially dictatorships...

You're an utter moron. You're from Nova Scotia, and you have no idea how our government works?
Only goes to prove the stereotype about Maritimers, I suppose.


And today I learned Canadians have stereotypes about Maritimers.
 
2012-11-23 11:00:55 AM

Valiente: There's more than one way to restore the Caliphate.


That would probably require the Sunnis and the Shias to get along. Don't see that happening anytime soon.
 
2012-11-23 11:02:22 AM

Nurglitch: In practice democracies like Canada, for example, are essentially dictatorships because what mainly gets done is the house-keeping.


i1151.photobucket.com
Hello unwashed masses. Supreme leader Steve Harper here - putting the dick in dictator.
Sometimes I command my minions to goose-step on the arena ice before hockey games just to see them fall on their asses.
Majority leadership has its privileges.
 
2012-11-23 11:02:52 AM

Cpl.D: Valiente: There's more than one way to restore the Caliphate.

That would probably require the Sunnis and the Shias to get along. Don't see that happening anytime soon.


Why not? They're all Arabs, right?
 
2012-11-23 11:04:36 AM

Biv: And today I learned Canadians have stereotypes about Maritimers.


We have stereotypes for just about every part of this huge-ass nation. It's really the only way the human mind can conceptualize the bizarre mish-mash of near-isolated cultures we have.
 
2012-11-23 11:08:27 AM
Now that Hamas/Islamic Terrorists are again firing into Israel....and Israel is firing back....Morsi may not want to spike that Dictator Football yet. Ol' NeckBeard's Cease Fire is no Cease and all Fire
 
2012-11-23 11:19:42 AM
Why do Middle Eastern people hate democracy so much? Are they allergic or something?
 
2012-11-23 11:23:20 AM

Nurglitch: I think the problem is that constitutionally-bound democracy is intended to produce deadlock between powers, and to generally get in the way of getting things done. Mainly to avoid things getting done to people, and especially to the people who get in the way.


This reasonably explains why within few months Japan will likely run by a political party with policies that are against the whole idea of liberal democracy. And this also explains why South Korea is in bigger trouble thanks to the white-collar criminal president, Lee Myung-bak and the daughter of the anti-democratic dictator, Park Geun-hye.

We are living in a scary moment of history where democracy of any kind has become a huge and annoying burden. It seems that the only two systems that can sustain our civilized world are capitalism and laws.
 
2012-11-23 11:26:32 AM

hundreddollarman: Why do Middle Eastern people hate democracy so much? Are they allergic or something?


Chapters of the Koran are devoted to the ideal theocracy. It's actually fairly benign and tolerant if you read through it, but it is a theocracy. Generally, it's "let the infidels go to hell if they so choose, but once they're one of us, we've got them by the balls".

Christianity was a religion born under Roman occupation, hence, "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's", making a secular government a religious dictate.
 
2012-11-23 11:27:32 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Cpl.D: Valiente: There's more than one way to restore the Caliphate.

That would probably require the Sunnis and the Shias to get along. Don't see that happening anytime soon.

Why not? They're all Arabs, right?


Eh... the Sunnis and Shia tend to fight over religious things. The divide between these two is largely on the successor to their prophet muhammad. One group thinks the best man should be the successor, the other thinks it should be his eldest son. I forget which group prefers which. The fact that all parties are well dead and gone is surprisingly moot.
 
2012-11-23 11:28:13 AM
The 'pharaoh'. What a joke.

How long ago was the Arab spring? Last spring (derp)? This won't last. And if it does, the Egyptian people get what they deserve.

Too many muslims want a caliphate. Burroughs said 'democracy is the door through which the unworthy enter'.
 
2012-11-23 11:35:37 AM
The way I understand it, is that this decree only applies to the commission in charge of writing the constitution, and isn't indefinite, giving them only an additional 2 months to work. Whether or not he has the legal right to do that, I don't know, but it sounded to me like he was more or less just extending the deadline because the assembly needed more time to work out the details.
 
2012-11-23 11:37:23 AM

Shakespeare's Monkey: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


The Final boss
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-23 11:38:09 AM
Morsi, Morsi, Morsi. Morsi, MOR-S-I.

Who knows what I'm talking about?
 
2012-11-23 11:38:23 AM
If he declares himself Pharaoh, can they bring back those cool headdresses and rebuild new pyramids? With modern technology and current safety guidelines, a pyramid could be built in about 4-5 years as opposed to 20.
 
2012-11-23 11:39:05 AM
Take a US-friendly dictator who managed to keep a lid on the Muslim Brotherhood and enforced the peace treaty with Israel and replace him with a dictator from the Muslim Brotherhood.

Bask in the awesomeness of Smart Diplomacy. Take a bow Preezy.
 
2012-11-23 11:39:09 AM
Democracy is messy, dictatorships are efficient, please send more tear gas, kthnxbai.
 
2012-11-23 11:43:41 AM

hundreddollarman: Why do Middle Eastern people hate democracy so much? Are they allergic or something?


In a democracy, rules can be amended by the people, in a Muslim world, Sharia rules are completely inflexible and never change with the times.
 
2012-11-23 11:46:29 AM

SithLord: If he declares himself Pharaoh, can they bring back those cool headdresses and rebuild new pyramids? With modern technology and current safety guidelines, a pyramid could be built in about 4-5 years as opposed to 20.


Problem: He wants to bulldoze the pyramids and the Sphinx.
 
2012-11-23 11:47:01 AM

Mahhughes: I guess his CIA handlers want to make things less complicated. Team America F yeah! The US has always been a Faux Tahririst Sympathizer. Gaza has caught out most western governments as lackies and hypocrites. To think of the heavy price America has paid so a bunch of Jewish religious fanatics can be as racist as they want is maddening.


What are you talking about?

/lay off the booze this early, m'kay?
 
2012-11-23 11:52:47 AM
Uh-oh the Toll price probably will go up on the Suez Canal.

The price of your Chinese made sneakers are about to go up
 
2012-11-23 11:55:21 AM
Better than going to Disneyland. I facking hate that place.
 
2012-11-23 12:06:08 PM
Arab spring chess. http://karlremarks.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/arab-spring-chess.html?m=1 (sorry, no link magic via phone)
 
2012-11-23 12:10:51 PM

netcentric: Uh-oh the Toll price probably will go up on the Suez Canal.

The price of your Chinese made sneakers are about to go up


Nah, just get Moses to come out of retirement and fix it.
 
2012-11-23 12:19:04 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: SithLord: If he declares himself Pharaoh, can they bring back those cool headdresses and rebuild new pyramids? With modern technology and current safety guidelines, a pyramid could be built in about 4-5 years as opposed to 20.

Problem: He wants to bulldoze the pyramids and the Sphinx.


Well he's going to need bigger bulldozers. I hear Israel has some pretty nice ones.
 
2012-11-23 12:31:56 PM
In Texas Glenn Beck dances with glee that he was right. He dances the jig of mocking.
 
2012-11-23 12:34:50 PM

Valiente: There's more than one way to restore the Caliphate.


The sharif don't like it.

/somebody had to do it.
 
2012-11-23 12:35:50 PM
Did he disband the Senate and put the regional governors in direct control?
 
2012-11-23 12:39:06 PM
Valiente: There's more than one way to restore the Caliphate.

Cpl.D: That would probably require the Sunnis and the Shias to get along. Don't see that happening anytime soon.


There is one way.
 
2012-11-23 01:47:51 PM

hundreddollarman: Why do Middle Eastern people hate democracy so much? Are they allergic or something?


I blame Islam. When worldly authority comes from Divine mandate rather than from the will of the people, "democracy" simply means asking whom God picked out as your overlord.
 
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