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(CNN)   Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-eal American) to Grover Norquist: You've had your 20-year run, asshat, now go the fark away   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 47
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2012-11-23 01:21:30 AM
10 votes:
Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.
2012-11-23 07:23:44 AM
8 votes:
I don't what he might have done on any specific day, a loathsome creep like Chambliss should NEVER be given the "Hero" tag. Not Ever. Period.
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2012-11-23 01:01:41 AM
5 votes:
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2012-11-23 08:42:14 AM
4 votes:

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


Yeah military spending can be cut to the bone. Drones are a disruptive technology that make most of the Pentagon obsolete. Most of the Air Force and Navy is now useless, and the need for people and logistics has also vastly fallen.

The sooner we shrink the Pentagon, the safer we will be. But even this won't be enough. The US desperately needs to increase public spending. The place is a mess.
2012-11-23 07:33:53 AM
4 votes:
In a fight between these two, I don't really hope for a winner as much as I hope for a meteor to land and take them both out.
2012-11-23 07:18:24 AM
4 votes:

Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.


He'll try to use Eric Massa as proof, the guy who said that Obama's chief of staff pushed for the investigation of him sexually harassing male pages (following a history of similar complants when he was in the Navy) that lead to him retiring because of his opposition to the president's healthcare bill for being too conservative.

Fox tried to make this a scandal until they had a big primetime interview with him that revealed to everyone that the guy was totally nutburgers. Plus there had to be some cognative dissonance that the man that they claimed was pushing the most radically socialist policy possible of nationalizing 20% of the entire economy (how they characterized "Obamacare") was also pushing that Obama was punishing Democrats who would vote against the bill for not being liberal enough.

Oh, and has been mentioned: Chambliss is an asshole of the highest order for what he did to Max Cleland. Our other Senator Johnny Isakson is actually not bad for a Southern Republican, but Chambliss got into office questioning the patriotism of a triple amputee Vietnam Veteran who was 100% in support of Bush's policies in the War on Terror just because he knew he could get away with it.
2012-11-23 07:15:30 AM
4 votes:
Asked if Chambliss is concerned Norquist may use his resources to combat a re-election bid, the senator said, "In all likelihood, yes. But I don't worry about that because I care too much about my country," he said. "I care a lot more about it than I do Grover Norquist." The two-term senator from Georgia added he's "willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves."

You're doing it right.
2012-11-23 07:09:23 AM
4 votes:

Bungles: These pledges happen from time to time in the UK... but always on the understanding that it's for the life of the current Parliament (ie 3 to 5 years),

Because... you know... Shiat changes.


Our conservative party just held a mock funeral for traditional America, which was actually a TV show from the 1960's. So we are fighting fantasy wrapped in delusion and held together with stupidity.
2012-11-23 01:29:16 PM
3 votes:
Or, you know, we could just take the caps off Social Security and Medicare taxes and tax capital gains as ordinary income.*
And remove all tax-advantaged deductions for corporations that have their manufacturing plants overseas, and cut out all deductions from artificially-inflated transfer costs in tax shelters.
Include a 200% tax on all executive compensation packages over 54 times the lowest compensation for employees/'contractors'/subcontractors on outsourced functions. (I call it the "Want to make more? Make everybody better off tax, you sociopaths.")

*Unless you can point to real, living-wage American jobs created by a specific "investment".
2012-11-23 08:45:35 AM
3 votes:

markfara: After election: "You! Norquist! Bus! Under it!"


While the subbussification of Norquist may be disingenuous at best, at least it's happening. Absolutism doesn't have a place in budget discussions.
2012-11-23 07:50:11 AM
3 votes:
I'm sorry, but Chambliss tried to destroy the integrity of a crippled Vietnam veteran by questioning his patriotism and insinuating that he was weak on defense by plastering pictures of Osama and Saddam next to his voting record.

A crippled amputee Vietnam vet that earned half a dozen military commendations was weak on national defense.

Chambliss standing up to some free market retard that has way too much political influence isn't heroic. He'll, it doesn't even make up for his idiotic comments related to arresting every Muslim in Georgia.

He needs to go away.
2012-11-23 10:47:41 AM
2 votes:

Jjaro: Loud_Mouth_Soup: Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.


Citations require evidence, not your say-so.

Provide the link. A credible one.

It was a pretty big story during the election. So of course you attack me for your lack of awareness. Anyway...

Here's a thinkprogress link for you about the initial comments http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/20/487391/newark-mayor-cory- booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign/?mobile=nc hope thats liberal enough for you.

And here are Washington Post and Huff Po articles about the aftermath

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/david-axelrod-scolds - cory-booker-on-bain-capital/2012/05/21/gIQAQbJwfU_blog.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/cory-booker-bain-capital_n_1 7 75427.html


When you link to something in the future, you should try to link something that supports your point.
2012-11-23 09:53:06 AM
2 votes:
The anti-tax crusader has said he predicts congressional Republicans will stand firm and negotiate a deal that excludes tax hikes.

Guess we'll fall off the fiscal cliff then. I notice that he still talks as though Republicans are running everything, and that Obama will lie down and "compromise" again.

Mr. Obama, the people who voted for you are asking you again--STOP farkING GIVING THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT.
2012-11-23 09:50:14 AM
2 votes:
fark him and his sleazy ass campaign he ran back in 2002 against Max Cleland. This man should never be considered a hero for anything.
2012-11-23 09:43:30 AM
2 votes:

Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.



Citations require evidence, not your say-so.

Provide the link. A credible one.
2012-11-23 08:59:06 AM
2 votes:
Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?
2012-11-23 06:54:08 AM
2 votes:
20 years, and thought up by someone who was 13 at the time.

Put away childish things.
2012-11-23 04:09:48 PM
1 votes:

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


Has been done. To the bone.

/Well, except in the Department of Defense.
//Should slice up the Defense budget like a roast turkey on Thanksgiving
2012-11-23 02:18:38 PM
1 votes:

globalwarmingpraiser: I plan on it. Like I said, I am looking for something that works better. It is why I kind of like the Fair Tax. It also completely detaxes the Poor. But really it is a search.


Apart from the tax we'll all pay on everything. So, for example, a mortgage for $150,000 will cost $195,000. And then we'll be paying the 30% on the interest too.

You'll notice I said 30% instead of 23%. That's because the 'Fair' Tax is stated as being 23% of the post-tax price.

So if something cost $100 after the 'Fair Tax' was added, that's because it was $77 before the tax, then $23 on for the tax...

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...which, as a sales tax (because it's a tax on things you buy) makes it close enough to 30% to use that percentage.

When an idea has to hide how much it would actually cost people in weasel math, I have a problem with it.
2012-11-23 12:02:23 PM
1 votes:
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They had their chance. His name was Huntsman. They blew it.
2012-11-23 11:56:10 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: TV's Vinnie: Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?

Are... are you actually asking this question? You have watched the news in the last ix years or so, right? These people believe what they're told by Fox News, their preacher of choice (so long as it's about Jesus), and that's all.


You know that picture with the Fox News logo, and something about "the first thing a cult does is tell you everybody else is lying to you"...?

It's true. And this is what it leads to.

i.imgur.com 

"Dammit, the other places aren't running our conspiracy theory, I'm going to be snarky about a story with real emotion beyond hate and fear, waaah!"

There should be something where such active shunning of knowledge kills off the stupid and delusional. A disease with a cure, but a counter-message that the cure is government plot to do something, I'm sure they could come up with a plausible-to-them reason not to fall for the government doctor's talking points or something.
2012-11-23 11:38:32 AM
1 votes:

globalwarmingpraiser: mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.

Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.


The main reason I dislike the FairTax (and why I suspect most people on Fark do too) is because supporters want it to be the ONLY federal tax. That will almost certainly turn it into a wildly regressive tax since the rich consume far less of their income than the poor and middle classes do. A progressive consumption tax like the X-tax would be very workable and fair.
2012-11-23 11:33:07 AM
1 votes:

globalwarmingpraiser: Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.


No because the Canadian GST supplements the regular, progressive income tax system. Does not seek to replace it in anyway.
2012-11-23 11:29:25 AM
1 votes:
Saxby Chambliss will have to do alot more than this to deserve the "HERO" tag. He is scum personified for the way he smeared Max Cleland.
2012-11-23 11:13:37 AM
1 votes:

incendi: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

That would piss off some banks and stockbrokers for sure.


I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

"So?"
2012-11-23 11:02:53 AM
1 votes:

Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.


A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.
2012-11-23 10:36:46 AM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.



Srsly? All of it. Hes a farkin' throwback.

When Shrub was a candidate I did not like it; I knew he represented the remains of the Watergate era idiots who made a farking mess of things. And look at how good he was at Presidentin'.

i find it very sad that folks don't seem to recall just how crappy the GOP has been for over 40 years, and that they can be made to feel so afraid they will vote against their own interests time and time again.

The salt of the Earth....You know, morons.
2012-11-23 10:11:17 AM
1 votes:
I still dislike Chambliss, but when someone decides to do the right thing, I'll give him his due.

Bravo, sir... on this particular issue.
2012-11-23 10:03:48 AM
1 votes:

LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?


Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956) is an American lobbyist, conservative activist,[3] and founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

So... essentially, no.
2012-11-23 09:48:20 AM
1 votes:
The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.
2012-11-23 09:45:02 AM
1 votes:

nobodyUwannaknow: Being Georgia, my cunning plan would backfire and the Senate would get another teatarded extremist .


Whoever gets the (R) next to their name on the ballot is getting the seat. That's just the fact of the matter. You could put Barack Hussein Obama on the ballot as a Republican and he'd win handily. A primary challenge is the only reason for him to fear losing his seat... and if there's a challenge, it's gonna be a Norquist-approved tea-party turd.
2012-11-23 09:22:42 AM
1 votes:

BlueSouth: There is talk of Karen Handel going after Chambliss in the primary. When I'm actually rooting for him winning there is something wrong with the world. I'm aware we're going to elect a Republican senator and I'd rather it be Chabliss. Ugh, I just made myself sick.


To be clear I'm voting for anyone else in the general, but might register Republican so I can vote against Handel in the primary.
2012-11-23 09:02:45 AM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?


A) Morons
B) No
C) yes
2012-11-23 09:00:52 AM
1 votes:

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


We've gone past bone long ago and are now scooping out the marrow.
2012-11-23 08:50:14 AM
1 votes:

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


Hmm - what a brilliant idea. Sounds like something Congress should take up.

Let's see, they have had 4 years to try. I'm not seeing a lot of progress on that front. Could it be that Congress (both houses) don't really have the desire to curb spending?

...and you thought the President controlled the budget.
2012-11-23 08:46:14 AM
1 votes:
Kinda shows you what the word "pledging" means to Republicans.

Contract with America
Read my lips
No taxes for any reason

etc.

Republicans: They all suck. Their policies suck. Their attitude sucks. They can't even keep a promise to themselves let alone anyone else.
2012-11-23 08:41:51 AM
1 votes:
Suddenly Chambliss is being presented, by both the media and the far right, as moderate. That fark was goosestepping with wild abandon back in the Drydrunk Hillbilly Murder Party days.

Still, if it's a choice between him and some teabagger zealot in 2014, I'd prefer him. He clearly will adapt somewhat, based on prevailing political headwinds.

But if Romney had won, I'm sure he'd be fapping to an Iran Murder Party
2012-11-23 08:39:23 AM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.


Do you ever post anything that isnt hateful towards the people to the left of you, or do you just get off being a hatemonger and coward?
2012-11-23 08:27:04 AM
1 votes:

DancingElkCondor: Many conservatives are tired of Grover Norquist....especially since he has ties and links to Islamic Terrorists and groups that support them. He is part of the "Fiscal Conservative" problem of the GOP....Fiscal Conservatives are usually neither.

Although Chambliss has the backbone of an invertibrate at times....the GOP does need to dump Grover Norquist


I hate Grover Norquist more than John Wayne Gacy, but seriously? Do you have any evidence to support this garbage other than the fact that he's married to a Muslim?
2012-11-23 08:22:38 AM
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.


Yep. Good on him for this, but what he did to Cleland disqualified him from respect.
2012-11-23 08:21:50 AM
1 votes:
The two-term senator from Georgia added he's "willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves."

And this is why the Hero tag was misused. Either raising taxes didn't become "the right thing" until the election revealed a shift in public sentiment to this scumbag or he's admitting that the pledge has always been about political posturing to protect the rich.
2012-11-23 08:18:12 AM
1 votes:

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


I just met you, and this is crazy.
2012-11-23 07:36:37 AM
1 votes:
The only time the word hero should be used anywhere near the name Saxby Chambliss is in the context of the phrase "an hero".
2012-11-23 06:58:32 AM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.


Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.
2012-11-23 05:42:40 AM
1 votes:
Why voters allow their representatives to sign contracts/pledges that they disagree with is beyond anyone's understanding.
2012-11-23 05:33:28 AM
1 votes:

MorrisBird: You people are weird. I don't get the Grover fanboys. I always preferred Oscar the Grouch.


Lol. I hate both Chambliss and Norquist. I was more of a Count person myself anyhow.ah ah ah
2012-11-23 02:04:58 AM
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk who swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.


agreed
 
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