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(CNN)   Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-eal American) to Grover Norquist: You've had your 20-year run, asshat, now go the fark away   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 181
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2012-11-23 10:15:48 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign


Norquist decided that no one learned anything about politics after age 21, when he turned 21. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
2012-11-23 10:17:44 AM  
I have a radical idea: if this Norquist guy has so much power as to influence Congresspeople, why doesn't he run for office himself? Otherwise he should STFU and leave lawmaking to those who actually have that authority.
 
2012-11-23 10:18:58 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign


Good lord. The only toys that man must have received as a child were an adding machine and a pencil sharpener shaped like Ayn Rand's head. Almost makes you feel sorry for- nah, I can't finish it.
 
2012-11-23 10:19:18 AM  

bluorangefyre: I have a radical idea: if this Norquist guy has so much power as to influence Congresspeople, why doesn't he run for office himself? Otherwise he should STFU and leave lawmaking to those who actually have that authority.


Because he would only have control over one office then. Now, he controls several.
 
2012-11-23 10:19:18 AM  
One douchebag lambasting another douchebag. Isn't that like a combination of "crossing the streams" and division by zero?
 
2012-11-23 10:21:36 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: And they say "community organizer" is an unacceptable career move.


I'm not implying he hasn't been busy and "productive", but it's basically all centered around his tax idea that he came up with as a child. He hasn't really broken any new ground since he thought to himself "No more taxes ever under any circumstances sounds like the way we should be running things."
 
2012-11-23 10:23:29 AM  
Stupid sexy Chambliss...
 
2012-11-23 10:24:18 AM  

clkeagle: More_Like_A_Stain: When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign

Good lord. The only toys that man must have received as a child were an adding machine and a pencil sharpener shaped like Ayn Rand's head. Almost makes you feel sorry for- nah, I can't finish it.


Yeah. At an age when the burning issues for most boys are "does Cindy like like me, or does she only like me?", and "stand back, we don't know how big it's going to get", this asshole was idolizing Dick Nixon.
 
2012-11-23 10:24:26 AM  

bluorangefyre: I have a radical idea: if this Norquist guy has so much power as to influence Congresspeople, why doesn't he run for office himself? Otherwise he should STFU and leave lawmaking to those who actually have that authority.


Due to the US political systems the people that pay for campaigns are the ones with authority. Since Grover's pledge is extortionary and far more effective than if he, himself, were a representative or even a senator.
 
2012-11-23 10:25:50 AM  

incendi: Pants full of macaroni!!: And they say "community organizer" is an unacceptable career move.

I'm not implying he hasn't been busy and "productive", but it's basically all centered around his tax idea that he came up with as a child. He hasn't really broken any new ground since he thought to himself "No more taxes ever under any circumstances sounds like the way we should be running things Why am I sprouting hair there?."

 
2012-11-23 10:26:04 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign


So he was stupid early, I guess. I mean, it's great that kids want to be politically interested (I saw kids out canvassing for Obama with presumably parents back in 2008), but it's too bad he took that interest and decided to only help himself with it.
 
2012-11-23 10:27:41 AM  

Karac: Serious Black: DancingElkCondor: Many conservatives are tired of Grover Norquist....especially since he has ties and links to Islamic Terrorists and groups that support them. He is part of the "Fiscal Conservative" problem of the GOP....Fiscal Conservatives are usually neither.

Although Chambliss has the backbone of an invertibrate at times....the GOP does need to dump Grover Norquist

I hate Grover Norquist more than John Wayne Gacy, but seriously? Do you have any evidence to support this garbage other than the fact that he's married to a Muslim?

Isn't that enough? At least for the constituency of the people who've signed his pledge?


Who could have imagined that fomenting a culture of reactionary xenophobic nativism could possibly backfire on you.
 
2012-11-23 10:30:48 AM  

Shadowknight: More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign

So he was stupid early, I guess. I mean, it's great that kids want to be politically interested (I saw kids out canvassing for Obama with presumably parents back in 2008), but it's too bad he took that interest and decided to only help himself with it.


He's also precluded himself from changing it. When he was 21 - in 1977 - he decided that no one learns anything about politics after they turn 21, so it's not too surprising that his fiscal policy is stuck in 1968 and his outlook on politics is stuck in 1977.

I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.
 
2012-11-23 10:32:16 AM  

clkeagle: More_Like_A_Stain: When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign

Good lord. The only toys that man must have received as a child were an adding machine and a pencil sharpener shaped like Ayn Rand's head. Almost makes you feel sorry for- nah, I can't finish it.


Reminds me of that kid who spoke at the Republican convention during the 2008 election. At least, he later realized and admitted that he had no idea what he was talking about back then.
 
2012-11-23 10:34:10 AM  

Karac: Damn, that's low. That's Joe Walsh levels of low.


userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-11-23 10:34:34 AM  
i.imgur.com

Good chicken.
 
2012-11-23 10:35:28 AM  

qorkfiend: He's also precluded himself from changing it. When he was 21 - in 1977 - he decided that no one learns anything about politics after they turn 21, so it's not too surprising that his fiscal policy is stuck in 1968 and his outlook on politics is stuck in 1977.

I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.


That's true. Decided that the Liberals must pay for what they did to his childhood hero Nixon. By which I mean "held him to the standard of average citizen and didn't let him break the law without consequences." Ford did that, anyway.
 
2012-11-23 10:36:46 AM  

qorkfiend: I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.



Srsly? All of it. Hes a farkin' throwback.

When Shrub was a candidate I did not like it; I knew he represented the remains of the Watergate era idiots who made a farking mess of things. And look at how good he was at Presidentin'.

i find it very sad that folks don't seem to recall just how crappy the GOP has been for over 40 years, and that they can be made to feel so afraid they will vote against their own interests time and time again.

The salt of the Earth....You know, morons.
 
2012-11-23 10:39:03 AM  

Serious Black: mrshowrules: KWess: The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.

Not only are they artificial, they are also based on lies. The 'debt ceiling' is positioned as not increasing spending when it reality it is paying for stuff already spent. The tax pledge is based on the insane notion that higher taxes are always bad for the economy.

FTFY. There are definitely situations where cutting taxes can be the right policy.


www.aceshowbiz.com

I prefer my way. Let's just say there hasn't been a situation in our lifetimes where tax cuts were a good idea for the economy. Certainly not in the lifetime of the pledge.
 
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2012-11-23 10:39:59 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign




huh. when he was 12. the same year he came up with his dumbass tax policy ideas. 12.
 
2012-11-23 10:41:40 AM  

BlueSouth: BlueSouth: There is talk of Karen Handel going after Chambliss in the primary. When I'm actually rooting for him winning there is something wrong with the world. I'm aware we're going to elect a Republican senator and I'd rather it be Chabliss. Ugh, I just made myself sick.

To be clear I'm voting for anyone else in the general, but might register Republican so I can vote against Handel in the primary.


You don't register republican in GA, you just ask the election official for a republican primary ballot.
 
2012-11-23 10:44:32 AM  
old mother hubbard
went to the cup board
to get her poor dog a bone
when she bent over
Grover took over
cause he had a bone of his own.
 
2012-11-23 10:44:57 AM  

Alphax: 20 years, and thought up by someone who was 13 at the time.

Put away childish things.


You're saying that hairy jowlbag is only 33? Get the hell out.
 
2012-11-23 10:47:41 AM  

Jjaro: Loud_Mouth_Soup: Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.


Citations require evidence, not your say-so.

Provide the link. A credible one.

It was a pretty big story during the election. So of course you attack me for your lack of awareness. Anyway...

Here's a thinkprogress link for you about the initial comments http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/20/487391/newark-mayor-cory- booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign/?mobile=nc hope thats liberal enough for you.

And here are Washington Post and Huff Po articles about the aftermath

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/david-axelrod-scolds - cory-booker-on-bain-capital/2012/05/21/gIQAQbJwfU_blog.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/cory-booker-bain-capital_n_1 7 75427.html


When you link to something in the future, you should try to link something that supports your point.
 
2012-11-23 10:49:28 AM  

mrshowrules: Serious Black: mrshowrules: KWess: The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.

Not only are they artificial, they are also based on lies. The 'debt ceiling' is positioned as not increasing spending when it reality it is paying for stuff already spent. The tax pledge is based on the insane notion that higher taxes are always bad for the economy.

FTFY. There are definitely situations where cutting taxes can be the right policy.

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I prefer my way. Let's just say there hasn't been a situation in our lifetimes where tax cuts were a good idea for the economy. Certainly not in the lifetime of the pledge.


Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.
 
2012-11-23 10:56:50 AM  

Fear the Clam: Alphax: 20 years, and thought up by someone who was 13 at the time.

Put away childish things.

You're saying that hairy jowlbag is only 33? Get the hell out.


No. His "policy" was created when he was 12, but it has only enjoyed widespread support for around 20 years. Prior to that it was considered to be equal to any other tax policy that was conceived by a sheltered adolescent.
 
2012-11-23 11:02:53 AM  

Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.


A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.
 
2012-11-23 11:08:19 AM  
Both Chumply Suxass and Gruber Numbskull can DIAF
 
2012-11-23 11:09:16 AM  

mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.


I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.
 
2012-11-23 11:11:14 AM  

Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.


That would piss off some banks and stockbrokers for sure.
 
2012-11-23 11:13:37 AM  

incendi: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

That would piss off some banks and stockbrokers for sure.


I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

"So?"
 
2012-11-23 11:14:02 AM  

mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.


"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)
 
2012-11-23 11:14:22 AM  
Begun, the tax wars have.
 
2012-11-23 11:15:37 AM  

Tigger: I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

"So?"


That wasn't sympathy. It'll just be politically impossible because the people with the money won't let it happen.
 
2012-11-23 11:17:13 AM  

incendi: Tigger: I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

"So?"

That wasn't sympathy. It'll just be politically impossible because the people with the money won't let it happen.


Indeed.
 
2012-11-23 11:23:03 AM  

nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)


I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.
 
2012-11-23 11:24:38 AM  

Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.


Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.
 
2012-11-23 11:29:11 AM  

mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.


Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.
 
2012-11-23 11:29:25 AM  
Saxby Chambliss will have to do alot more than this to deserve the "HERO" tag. He is scum personified for the way he smeared Max Cleland.
 
2012-11-23 11:31:27 AM  

mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.


Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.
 
2012-11-23 11:33:07 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.


No because the Canadian GST supplements the regular, progressive income tax system. Does not seek to replace it in anyway.
 
2012-11-23 11:35:32 AM  

Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.


I honestly don't know enough about his subject to know if this could work. In any case, it sounds like something that would have to be implemented incrementally.
 
2012-11-23 11:37:45 AM  

Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.


You know, I kind of like this idea. How would it effect debit cards though? It would lead to people carrying cash more to avoid the deposit, withdrawal, and point of service tax. As well as the deposit tax that would be built into the pricing of retail goods. Effectively taxing everything at 28%.
 
2012-11-23 11:38:32 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.

Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.


The main reason I dislike the FairTax (and why I suspect most people on Fark do too) is because supporters want it to be the ONLY federal tax. That will almost certainly turn it into a wildly regressive tax since the rich consume far less of their income than the poor and middle classes do. A progressive consumption tax like the X-tax would be very workable and fair.
 
2012-11-23 11:53:42 AM  

FlashHarry: what chambliss did to max cleland is unconscionable. but i'm glad to hear he's doing this.


Yes, but it's just more of Chambliss' desperate opportunism. Chambliss is a weathervane and he's willing to side with anyone or stab anyone in the back so long as it advances his own career. Chambliss needs to go just as much as Norquist.
 
2012-11-23 11:53:46 AM  

mrshowrules: Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.

I honestly don't know enough about his subject to know if this could work. In any case, it sounds like something that would have to be implemented incrementally.


I think it could be implemented pretty easily. I mean, how do you think credit cards, debit cards, bank transfers, etc. work already? It's on a computer system. All you'd need to do is add a program that takes X% of the amount transferred every single time. You'd probably have to implement it as X/2% on each end to handle the cases where money gets sent overseas or comes back from overseas, but that's hardly a major problem. I think you'd want to test it out with a small set of taxes getting replaced at first, but if that test case worked, you could use it to replace all state and local taxes eventually.

globalwarmingpraiser: You know, I kind of like this idea. How would it effect debit cards though? It would lead to people carrying cash more to avoid the deposit, withdrawal, and point of service tax. As well as the deposit tax that would be built into the pricing of retail goods. Effectively taxing everything at 28%.


Unless people and businesses en masse shifted entirely to using cash and never having any credit cards, debit cards, checking accounts, savings accounts, or really any accounts with any financial institutions, I don't think you'd have a problem with this. And such an en masse shift would be almost impossible without expanding the monetary base by absolutely monstrous margins. People like the convenience of using cards. Losing 0.5% of each transaction would be a very small price to pay for not having the hassle of filling out income tax returns.
 
2012-11-23 11:56:10 AM  

Shadowknight: TV's Vinnie: Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?

Are... are you actually asking this question? You have watched the news in the last ix years or so, right? These people believe what they're told by Fox News, their preacher of choice (so long as it's about Jesus), and that's all.


You know that picture with the Fox News logo, and something about "the first thing a cult does is tell you everybody else is lying to you"...?

It's true. And this is what it leads to.

i.imgur.com 

"Dammit, the other places aren't running our conspiracy theory, I'm going to be snarky about a story with real emotion beyond hate and fear, waaah!"

There should be something where such active shunning of knowledge kills off the stupid and delusional. A disease with a cure, but a counter-message that the cure is government plot to do something, I'm sure they could come up with a plausible-to-them reason not to fall for the government doctor's talking points or something.
 
2012-11-23 11:56:57 AM  
BTW, if you guys are interested, this paper discusses a lot of the details and the distribution of the tax across the income spectrum.
 
2012-11-23 11:57:15 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.

Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.

economists.
 
2012-11-23 12:01:28 PM  

Serious Black: I think it could be implemented pretty easily. I mean, how do you think credit cards, debit cards, bank transfers, etc. work already? It's on a computer system. All you'd need to do is add a program that takes X% of the amount transferred every single time.


On the case.

cf.drafthouse.com
 
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