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(CNN)   Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-eal American) to Grover Norquist: You've had your 20-year run, asshat, now go the fark away   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 181
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2012-11-23 01:01:41 AM
i1221.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-23 01:21:30 AM
Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.
 
2012-11-23 01:23:21 AM
who swift boated...

*sigh*
 
2012-11-23 01:41:07 AM
Can I drown Grover in a vat of ice cream awready?
 
2012-11-23 02:04:58 AM

Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk who swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.


agreed
 
2012-11-23 02:27:57 AM
You people are weird. I don't get the Grover fanboys. I always preferred Oscar the Grouch.
 
2012-11-23 05:33:28 AM

MorrisBird: You people are weird. I don't get the Grover fanboys. I always preferred Oscar the Grouch.


Lol. I hate both Chambliss and Norquist. I was more of a Count person myself anyhow.ah ah ah
 
2012-11-23 05:42:40 AM
Why voters allow their representatives to sign contracts/pledges that they disagree with is beyond anyone's understanding.
 
2012-11-23 06:51:46 AM
These pledges happen from time to time in the UK... but always on the understanding that it's for the life of the current Parliament (ie 3 to 5 years),

Because... you know... Shiat changes.
 
2012-11-23 06:53:26 AM
Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.
 
2012-11-23 06:54:08 AM
20 years, and thought up by someone who was 13 at the time.

Put away childish things.
 
2012-11-23 06:58:32 AM

randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.


Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.
 
2012-11-23 07:08:52 AM

Bungles: Because... you know... Shiat changes.


Can't be said enough. It really can't.
 
2012-11-23 07:09:23 AM

Bungles: These pledges happen from time to time in the UK... but always on the understanding that it's for the life of the current Parliament (ie 3 to 5 years),

Because... you know... Shiat changes.


Our conservative party just held a mock funeral for traditional America, which was actually a TV show from the 1960's. So we are fighting fantasy wrapped in delusion and held together with stupidity.
 
2012-11-23 07:15:30 AM
Asked if Chambliss is concerned Norquist may use his resources to combat a re-election bid, the senator said, "In all likelihood, yes. But I don't worry about that because I care too much about my country," he said. "I care a lot more about it than I do Grover Norquist." The two-term senator from Georgia added he's "willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves."

You're doing it right.
 
2012-11-23 07:18:24 AM

Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.


He'll try to use Eric Massa as proof, the guy who said that Obama's chief of staff pushed for the investigation of him sexually harassing male pages (following a history of similar complants when he was in the Navy) that lead to him retiring because of his opposition to the president's healthcare bill for being too conservative.

Fox tried to make this a scandal until they had a big primetime interview with him that revealed to everyone that the guy was totally nutburgers. Plus there had to be some cognative dissonance that the man that they claimed was pushing the most radically socialist policy possible of nationalizing 20% of the entire economy (how they characterized "Obamacare") was also pushing that Obama was punishing Democrats who would vote against the bill for not being liberal enough.

Oh, and has been mentioned: Chambliss is an asshole of the highest order for what he did to Max Cleland. Our other Senator Johnny Isakson is actually not bad for a Southern Republican, but Chambliss got into office questioning the patriotism of a triple amputee Vietnam Veteran who was 100% in support of Bush's policies in the War on Terror just because he knew he could get away with it.
 
2012-11-23 07:23:44 AM
I don't what he might have done on any specific day, a loathsome creep like Chambliss should NEVER be given the "Hero" tag. Not Ever. Period.
 
2012-11-23 07:33:53 AM
In a fight between these two, I don't really hope for a winner as much as I hope for a meteor to land and take them both out.
 
2012-11-23 07:34:29 AM
cut spending maybe? just a thought
 
2012-11-23 07:36:28 AM
Whoever loses, we all win.
 
2012-11-23 07:36:37 AM
The only time the word hero should be used anywhere near the name Saxby Chambliss is in the context of the phrase "an hero".
 
2012-11-23 07:47:54 AM

Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.


He did. But he's been very reasonable these last 4 years or so. I want to never forgive, but I'm torn because of the number of actual crazies in Congress today.
 
2012-11-23 07:49:20 AM

Shadowknight: In a fight between these two, I don't really hope for a winner as much as I hope for a meteor to land and take them both out.


I hope that an Ebola infected monkey gets tossed into their fighting arena, but then I'm a little different.
 
2012-11-23 07:50:00 AM

Shadowknight: In a fight between these two, I don't really hope for a winner as much as I hope for a meteor to land and take them both out.


Ah. My dilemma solved.
 
2012-11-23 07:50:11 AM
I'm sorry, but Chambliss tried to destroy the integrity of a crippled Vietnam veteran by questioning his patriotism and insinuating that he was weak on defense by plastering pictures of Osama and Saddam next to his voting record.

A crippled amputee Vietnam vet that earned half a dozen military commendations was weak on national defense.

Chambliss standing up to some free market retard that has way too much political influence isn't heroic. He'll, it doesn't even make up for his idiotic comments related to arresting every Muslim in Georgia.

He needs to go away.
 
2012-11-23 07:51:03 AM
Many conservatives are tired of Grover Norquist....especially since he has ties and links to Islamic Terrorists and groups that support them. He is part of the "Fiscal Conservative" problem of the GOP....Fiscal Conservatives are usually neither.

Although Chambliss has the backbone of an invertibrate at times....the GOP does need to dump Grover Norquist
 
2012-11-23 07:59:24 AM
What kind of name is " Saxby"?
 
2012-11-23 08:05:29 AM

Shirley Ujest: What kind of name is " Saxby"?


In my head, it always calls forth an image of a southern dandy. Like he should be a minor character in "Gone with the Wind."
 
2012-11-23 08:09:18 AM

Shadowknight: Shirley Ujest: What kind of name is " Saxby"?

In my head, it always calls forth an image of a southern dandy. Like he should be a minor character in "Gone with the Wind."


Why Mister Grover, I know nothin' bout birthin' no debt reduction
 
2012-11-23 08:09:35 AM

Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.


^^^ This
 
2012-11-23 08:18:12 AM

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


I just met you, and this is crazy.
 
2012-11-23 08:19:43 AM

Shirley Ujest: What kind of name is " Saxby"?



Heh. Turns out it's a Scandinavian name. Means "Saxon farm."
 
2012-11-23 08:21:21 AM
Poopy-Head!!
 
2012-11-23 08:21:50 AM
The two-term senator from Georgia added he's "willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves."

And this is why the Hero tag was misused. Either raising taxes didn't become "the right thing" until the election revealed a shift in public sentiment to this scumbag or he's admitting that the pledge has always been about political posturing to protect the rich.
 
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2012-11-23 08:22:21 AM

mksmith: I don't what he might have done on any specific day, a loathsome creep like Chambliss should NEVER be given the "Hero" tag. Not Ever. Period.


Yeah, some things are just too sleazy.

He may be willing to throw Grover under the bus, but he's no hero.
 
2012-11-23 08:22:38 AM

Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.


Yep. Good on him for this, but what he did to Cleland disqualified him from respect.
 
2012-11-23 08:25:32 AM
i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-23 08:27:04 AM

DancingElkCondor: Many conservatives are tired of Grover Norquist....especially since he has ties and links to Islamic Terrorists and groups that support them. He is part of the "Fiscal Conservative" problem of the GOP....Fiscal Conservatives are usually neither.

Although Chambliss has the backbone of an invertibrate at times....the GOP does need to dump Grover Norquist


I hate Grover Norquist more than John Wayne Gacy, but seriously? Do you have any evidence to support this garbage other than the fact that he's married to a Muslim?
 
2012-11-23 08:28:47 AM

bulldg4life: I'm sorry, but Chambliss tried to destroy the integrity of a crippled Vietnam veteran by questioning his patriotism and insinuating that he was weak on defense by plastering pictures of Osama and Saddam next to his voting record.

A crippled amputee Vietnam vet that earned half a dozen military commendations was weak on national defense.


Damn, that's low. That's Joe Walsh levels of low.
Obviously the only proper response by the vet would have been to remove his prosthetic arm, use it to slap this turd across the face and yell "I challenge you to a duel!"
 
2012-11-23 08:34:32 AM

Serious Black: DancingElkCondor: Many conservatives are tired of Grover Norquist....especially since he has ties and links to Islamic Terrorists and groups that support them. He is part of the "Fiscal Conservative" problem of the GOP....Fiscal Conservatives are usually neither.

Although Chambliss has the backbone of an invertibrate at times....the GOP does need to dump Grover Norquist

I hate Grover Norquist more than John Wayne Gacy, but seriously? Do you have any evidence to support this garbage other than the fact that he's married to a Muslim?


Isn't that enough? At least for the constituency of the people who've signed his pledge?
 
2012-11-23 08:39:23 AM

randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.


Do you ever post anything that isnt hateful towards the people to the left of you, or do you just get off being a hatemonger and coward?
 
2012-11-23 08:41:39 AM

Karac: Isn't that enough? At least for the constituency of the people who've signed his pledge?


That IS pretty much the standard used by certain congresspeople to determine who might be in the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
2012-11-23 08:41:51 AM
Suddenly Chambliss is being presented, by both the media and the far right, as moderate. That fark was goosestepping with wild abandon back in the Drydrunk Hillbilly Murder Party days.

Still, if it's a choice between him and some teabagger zealot in 2014, I'd prefer him. He clearly will adapt somewhat, based on prevailing political headwinds.

But if Romney had won, I'm sure he'd be fapping to an Iran Murder Party
 
2012-11-23 08:42:14 AM

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


Yeah military spending can be cut to the bone. Drones are a disruptive technology that make most of the Pentagon obsolete. Most of the Air Force and Navy is now useless, and the need for people and logistics has also vastly fallen.

The sooner we shrink the Pentagon, the safer we will be. But even this won't be enough. The US desperately needs to increase public spending. The place is a mess.
 
2012-11-23 08:43:13 AM
Before election: "We want out country back!"

After election: "You! Norquist! Bus! Under it!"
 
2012-11-23 08:45:35 AM

markfara: After election: "You! Norquist! Bus! Under it!"


While the subbussification of Norquist may be disingenuous at best, at least it's happening. Absolutism doesn't have a place in budget discussions.
 
2012-11-23 08:46:14 AM
Kinda shows you what the word "pledging" means to Republicans.

Contract with America
Read my lips
No taxes for any reason

etc.

Republicans: They all suck. Their policies suck. Their attitude sucks. They can't even keep a promise to themselves let alone anyone else.
 
2012-11-23 08:46:55 AM

Kibbler: That fark was goosestepping with wild abandon back in the Drydrunk Hillbilly Murder Party days.



You had me rolling with that line.


i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-23 08:50:14 AM

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


Hmm - what a brilliant idea. Sounds like something Congress should take up.

Let's see, they have had 4 years to try. I'm not seeing a lot of progress on that front. Could it be that Congress (both houses) don't really have the desire to curb spending?

...and you thought the President controlled the budget.
 
2012-11-23 08:50:36 AM
what chambliss did to max cleland is unconscionable. but i'm glad to hear he's doing this.
 
2012-11-23 08:56:20 AM
 
2012-11-23 08:56:48 AM
Chambliss is now like Tobias Fünke in Doubtfire drag. "When I'm feeling down, I smile and stab at Norqiist, smile and stab at Norquist..."
 
2012-11-23 08:57:31 AM

kregh99: Kinda shows you what the word "pledging" means to Republicans.

Contract with America
Read my lips
No taxes for any reason

etc.

Republicans: They all suck. Their policies suck. Their attitude sucks. They can't even keep a promise to themselves let alone anyone else.


Yeah. Why don't they understand that signing Grover's pledge is like a lifetime commitment, like wedding vows? It's not like situations ever change.
 
2012-11-23 08:58:15 AM
He might be a piece of shiat but isn't he the first actual Senator to actually say no to that prick Norquist after already signing it?
I hope that is the first piece missing on the house of cards that is Norquist's pledge. Now we just need a few more to follow before the GOP leadership pushes that card back in.
 
2012-11-23 08:59:06 AM
Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?
 
2012-11-23 09:00:52 AM

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


We've gone past bone long ago and are now scooping out the marrow.
 
2012-11-23 09:02:45 AM

TV's Vinnie: Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?


A) Morons
B) No
C) yes
 
2012-11-23 09:03:14 AM

TV's Vinnie: Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?


Are... are you actually asking this question? You have watched the news in the last ix years or so, right? These people believe what they're told by Fox News, their preacher of choice (so long as it's about Jesus), and that's all.
 
2012-11-23 09:04:13 AM
That was supposed to be six years, not ix years. Don't know why auto correct didn't catch THAT.
 
Boe
2012-11-23 09:05:58 AM

enry: Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.

^^^ This


Double this. He's just accurately reading the political tea leaves and adjusting his position accordingly. if it was still politically expedient, he'd still be singing the praises of that waste of oxygen.
 
2012-11-23 09:08:44 AM

Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.


True, but dickheads like him hold sway in the party, so if he get's rid of grover, at least he's doing something right for once.
 
2012-11-23 09:19:08 AM
Bucky Katt: Chambliss is a chickenhawk so swift boated a real hero. F*ck him.

He does whatever it takes to take/retain power.
 
2012-11-23 09:20:31 AM
There is talk of Karen Handel going after Chambliss in the primary. When I'm actually rooting for him winning there is something wrong with the world. I'm aware we're going to elect a Republican senator and I'd rather it be Chabliss. Ugh, I just made myself sick.
 
2012-11-23 09:20:41 AM
Saxby? You mean the guy who said that Georgia would be safer if every Muslim was arrested? The guy who avoided going to Vietnam on an injury and then runs a political ad saying his opponent (who had served in Vietnam) was linked to terrorists?

Yeah, no, that guy isn't a hero, subs.
 
2012-11-23 09:22:42 AM

BlueSouth: There is talk of Karen Handel going after Chambliss in the primary. When I'm actually rooting for him winning there is something wrong with the world. I'm aware we're going to elect a Republican senator and I'd rather it be Chabliss. Ugh, I just made myself sick.


To be clear I'm voting for anyone else in the general, but might register Republican so I can vote against Handel in the primary.
 
2012-11-23 09:24:00 AM
It used to be that senators could get away with this. He is at least taking an unpopular position because it is the right thing. Ga. senators can do that from time to time.
 
2012-11-23 09:24:25 AM
max needs to run again....saxby is a true piece of chickenhawk trash
 
2012-11-23 09:26:04 AM

Shirley Ujest: What kind of name is " Saxby"?


Bert Saxby? Tell him he's fired!
 
2012-11-23 09:27:00 AM
At least Chambliss can admit to himself that the republican defeat was fatal to the republican platform.
Which means Norquist is a zombie.
 
2012-11-23 09:27:06 AM
oh also, from Wiki:

Cleland then served in the United States Army during the Vietnam War, attaining the rank of Captain. He was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous action in combat, including during the Battle of Khe Sanh on April 4, 1968.
On April 8, 1968, Captain Cleland was the Battalion Signal Officer for the 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division during the Battle of Khe Sanh.[3]


Fark Chambliss in the ass with a broken Coke bottle. And Fark Norquist too, I dont get why idiots listen to him, but they are idiots.
 
2012-11-23 09:31:19 AM
What the fark kind of name is Saxby?
 
2012-11-23 09:34:42 AM

mksmith: I don't what he might have done on any specific day, a loathsome creep like Chambliss should NEVER be given the "Hero" tag. Not Ever. Period.


What if he saved a bus full of nuns from a taliban re-education camp for homosexual terrorists?
 
2012-11-23 09:35:54 AM

Jaws_Victim: mksmith: I don't what he might have done on any specific day, a loathsome creep like Chambliss should NEVER be given the "Hero" tag. Not Ever. Period.

What if he saved a bus full of nuns from a taliban re-education camp for homosexual terrorists?


"Scumbag performs heroic act; details at 11!"
 
2012-11-23 09:36:48 AM

Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.


I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.
 
2012-11-23 09:37:17 AM
This isn't going to change the fact that he'll fight any tax increases on the 1%.

He just doesn't want to be seen as taking orders from Norquist.
 
2012-11-23 09:39:16 AM
Maybe Grover and the Taxed Enough Already party can eliminate this fine senator in the primary with an extremist and a moderate progressive in independent's clothing can win the general.

Being Georgia, my cunning plan would backfire and the Senate would get another teatarded extremist .
 
2012-11-23 09:43:30 AM

Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.



Citations require evidence, not your say-so.

Provide the link. A credible one.
 
2012-11-23 09:43:55 AM

hinten: Why voters allow their representatives to sign contracts/pledges that they disagree with is beyond anyone's understanding.


If voters allow people to do that, then a lot of basic things are beyond their understanding. Like magnets, for example.
 
2012-11-23 09:45:02 AM

nobodyUwannaknow: Being Georgia, my cunning plan would backfire and the Senate would get another teatarded extremist .


Whoever gets the (R) next to their name on the ballot is getting the seat. That's just the fact of the matter. You could put Barack Hussein Obama on the ballot as a Republican and he'd win handily. A primary challenge is the only reason for him to fear losing his seat... and if there's a challenge, it's gonna be a Norquist-approved tea-party turd.
 
2012-11-23 09:48:20 AM
The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.
 
2012-11-23 09:50:14 AM
fark him and his sleazy ass campaign he ran back in 2002 against Max Cleland. This man should never be considered a hero for anything.
 
2012-11-23 09:53:06 AM
The anti-tax crusader has said he predicts congressional Republicans will stand firm and negotiate a deal that excludes tax hikes.

Guess we'll fall off the fiscal cliff then. I notice that he still talks as though Republicans are running everything, and that Obama will lie down and "compromise" again.

Mr. Obama, the people who voted for you are asking you again--STOP farkING GIVING THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT.
 
2012-11-23 09:56:14 AM

KWess: The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.


Not only are they artificial, they are also based on lies. The 'debt ceiling' is positioned as not increasing spending when it reality it is paying for stuff already spent. The tax pledge is based on the insane notion that higher taxes are bad for the economy.
 
2012-11-23 09:56:19 AM
Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?

Like, held any political office? Headed some sort of organization? Been a high-level campaign advisor, even?

/too lazy to wikipedia
 
2012-11-23 10:01:30 AM

mrshowrules: KWess: The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.

Not only are they artificial, they are also based on lies. The 'debt ceiling' is positioned as not increasing spending when it reality it is paying for stuff already spent. The tax pledge is based on the insane notion that higher taxes are always bad for the economy.


FTFY. There are definitely situations where cutting taxes can be the right policy.
 
2012-11-23 10:02:29 AM

LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?

Like, held any political office? Headed some sort of organization? Been a high-level campaign advisor, even?

/too lazy to wikipedia


Early career

Early in his career, Norquist was executive director of both the National Taxpayers Union and the national College Republicans, holding both positions until 1983. Afterward, he served as Economist and Chief Speechwriter at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce from 1983 to 1984.[15]

Norquist traveled to several war zones to help support anti-Soviet guerrilla armies in the second half of the 1980s. He worked with a support network for Oliver North's efforts with the Nicaraguan Contras and other insurgencies, in addition to promoting U.S. support for groups including Mozambique's RENAMO and Jonas Savimbi's UNITA in Angola and helping to organize anti-Soviet forces in Laos.

Americans for Tax Reform

Norquist is best known for founding Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) in 1985, which he says was done at the request of then-President Ronald Reagan.[16] Referring to Norquist's activities as head of ATR, Steve Kroft, in a 60 Minutes episode that aired on November 20, 2011, claimed that "Norquist has been responsible, more than anyone else, for rewriting the dogma of the Republican Party."[17]

The primary policy goal of Americans for Tax Reform is to reduce government revenues as a percentage of the GDP.[18][19] ATR states that it "opposes all tax increases as a matter of principle."[20] Americans for Tax Reform has supported Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) legislation[21] and transparency initiatives,[22] while opposing cap-and-trade legislation[23] and Democratic efforts to overhaul health care.[24]

In 1993, Norquist launched his Wednesday Meetings series at ATR headquarters, initially to help fight President Clinton's healthcare plan and eventually becoming one of the most significant institutions in American conservative political organizing.[12] The meetings have been called "a must-attend event for Republican operatives fortunate enough to get an invitation", and "the Grand Central station of the conservative movement."[3]

As a nonprofit organization, Americans for Tax Reform is not required to disclose the identity of its contributors. Critics, such as Sen. Alan Simpson, have asked Norquist to disclose his contributors; he has declined but has said that ATR is financed by direct mail and other grassroots fundraising efforts. According to CBS News, "a significant portion appears to come from wealthy individuals, foundations and corporate interests."
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2012-11-23 10:03:28 AM

LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?

Like, held any political office? Headed some sort of organization? Been a high-level campaign advisor, even?

/too lazy to wikipedia


He heads Americans For Tax Reform, or at least he founded the group.

He's one of those Harvard-educated snobs. I also found this gem: "When I became 21, I decided that nobody learned anything about politics after the age of 21." This would explain a great deal.

I like this one, too: "He worked with a support network for Oliver North's efforts with the Nicaraguan Contras and other insurgencies"
 
2012-11-23 10:03:48 AM

LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?


Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956) is an American lobbyist, conservative activist,[3] and founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

So... essentially, no.
 
2012-11-23 10:04:58 AM

LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?

Like, held any political office? Headed some sort of organization? Been a high-level campaign advisor, even?

/too lazy to wikipedia


He's an Ivy League graduate that has primarily been a lobbyist his whole life (i.e., he wouldn't know what a hard day's work would consist of). Also, he co-authored the "Contract with America" with Newt Ginrich.
 
2012-11-23 10:05:44 AM

Kittypie070: Can I drown Grover in a vat of ice cream awready?


KFC gravy would also be an acceptable subsititute.
/get the big containers
 
2012-11-23 10:06:49 AM
Sounds like somebody is facing re-election, lol.

Fark you Saxby.

RINO!

If Grover Norquist is bad for the GOP then I am a Grover Norquist fan.
 
2012-11-23 10:07:43 AM

LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?

Like, held any political office? Headed some sort of organization? Been a high-level campaign advisor, even?

/too lazy to wikipedia


Far as I understand it, he's a trust fund kid. His dad was VP of Polaroid, back when it was an actual company.

He went to college, volunteered with Nixon, and got heavy into various LIbertarian groups until he finally started his "American's for Tax Reform" lobbying group.

The rest is history. Stupid, stupid history.
 
2012-11-23 10:09:37 AM
Well, I guess my rough synopsis was unnecessary.
 
2012-11-23 10:10:22 AM

LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?

Like, held any political office? Headed some sort of organization? Been a high-level campaign advisor, even?

/too lazy to wikipedia


There are unconfirmed reports that he was class President in the sixth grade.
 
2012-11-23 10:10:53 AM

incendi: LiberalWeenie: Has Norquist ever done anything except come up with this mandatory tax pledge?

Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956) is an American lobbyist, conservative activist,[3] and founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

So... essentially, no.


And they say "community organizer" is an unacceptable career move.
 
2012-11-23 10:11:17 AM
I still dislike Chambliss, but when someone decides to do the right thing, I'll give him his due.

Bravo, sir... on this particular issue.
 
2012-11-23 10:12:45 AM
Grover's tear catcher

ak1.ostkcdn.com
 
2012-11-23 10:13:34 AM

Loud_Mouth_Soup: Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.


Citations require evidence, not your say-so.

Provide the link. A credible one.


It was a pretty big story during the election. So of course you attack me for your lack of awareness. Anyway...

Here's a thinkprogress link for you about the initial comments http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/20/487391/newark-mayor-cory- booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign/?mobile=nc hope thats liberal enough for you.

And here are Washington Post and Huff Po articles about the aftermath

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/david-axelrod-scolds - cory-booker-on-bain-capital/2012/05/21/gIQAQbJwfU_blog.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/cory-booker-bain-capital_n_1 7 75427.html
 
2012-11-23 10:14:08 AM

roadkillontheweb: He might be a piece of shiat but isn't he the first actual Senator to actually say no to that prick Norquist after already signing it?
I hope that is the first piece missing on the house of cards that is Norquist's pledge. Now we just need a few more to follow before the GOP leadership pushes that card back in.


I think the GOP needs more than a few. Norquist has the funds to run a primary against one senator. Or three senators. Or 5-10 Congressmen. But if 30 or 40 decide to go against the "pledge" and vote for tax hikes? Let him bankrupt himself and his billionaire friends trying to fight them.

In fact, let them fight the dirtiest fights possible. It will only lead to that many more "undecideds" staying home or voting Democrat.
 
2012-11-23 10:14:16 AM

Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon


When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign
 
2012-11-23 10:15:48 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign


Norquist decided that no one learned anything about politics after age 21, when he turned 21. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
2012-11-23 10:17:44 AM
I have a radical idea: if this Norquist guy has so much power as to influence Congresspeople, why doesn't he run for office himself? Otherwise he should STFU and leave lawmaking to those who actually have that authority.
 
2012-11-23 10:18:58 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign


Good lord. The only toys that man must have received as a child were an adding machine and a pencil sharpener shaped like Ayn Rand's head. Almost makes you feel sorry for- nah, I can't finish it.
 
2012-11-23 10:19:18 AM

bluorangefyre: I have a radical idea: if this Norquist guy has so much power as to influence Congresspeople, why doesn't he run for office himself? Otherwise he should STFU and leave lawmaking to those who actually have that authority.


Because he would only have control over one office then. Now, he controls several.
 
2012-11-23 10:19:18 AM
One douchebag lambasting another douchebag. Isn't that like a combination of "crossing the streams" and division by zero?
 
2012-11-23 10:21:36 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: And they say "community organizer" is an unacceptable career move.


I'm not implying he hasn't been busy and "productive", but it's basically all centered around his tax idea that he came up with as a child. He hasn't really broken any new ground since he thought to himself "No more taxes ever under any circumstances sounds like the way we should be running things."
 
2012-11-23 10:23:29 AM
Stupid sexy Chambliss...
 
2012-11-23 10:24:18 AM

clkeagle: More_Like_A_Stain: When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign

Good lord. The only toys that man must have received as a child were an adding machine and a pencil sharpener shaped like Ayn Rand's head. Almost makes you feel sorry for- nah, I can't finish it.


Yeah. At an age when the burning issues for most boys are "does Cindy like like me, or does she only like me?", and "stand back, we don't know how big it's going to get", this asshole was idolizing Dick Nixon.
 
2012-11-23 10:24:26 AM

bluorangefyre: I have a radical idea: if this Norquist guy has so much power as to influence Congresspeople, why doesn't he run for office himself? Otherwise he should STFU and leave lawmaking to those who actually have that authority.


Due to the US political systems the people that pay for campaigns are the ones with authority. Since Grover's pledge is extortionary and far more effective than if he, himself, were a representative or even a senator.
 
2012-11-23 10:25:50 AM

incendi: Pants full of macaroni!!: And they say "community organizer" is an unacceptable career move.

I'm not implying he hasn't been busy and "productive", but it's basically all centered around his tax idea that he came up with as a child. He hasn't really broken any new ground since he thought to himself "No more taxes ever under any circumstances sounds like the way we should be running things Why am I sprouting hair there?."

 
2012-11-23 10:26:04 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign


So he was stupid early, I guess. I mean, it's great that kids want to be politically interested (I saw kids out canvassing for Obama with presumably parents back in 2008), but it's too bad he took that interest and decided to only help himself with it.
 
2012-11-23 10:27:41 AM

Karac: Serious Black: DancingElkCondor: Many conservatives are tired of Grover Norquist....especially since he has ties and links to Islamic Terrorists and groups that support them. He is part of the "Fiscal Conservative" problem of the GOP....Fiscal Conservatives are usually neither.

Although Chambliss has the backbone of an invertibrate at times....the GOP does need to dump Grover Norquist

I hate Grover Norquist more than John Wayne Gacy, but seriously? Do you have any evidence to support this garbage other than the fact that he's married to a Muslim?

Isn't that enough? At least for the constituency of the people who've signed his pledge?


Who could have imagined that fomenting a culture of reactionary xenophobic nativism could possibly backfire on you.
 
2012-11-23 10:30:48 AM

Shadowknight: More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign

So he was stupid early, I guess. I mean, it's great that kids want to be politically interested (I saw kids out canvassing for Obama with presumably parents back in 2008), but it's too bad he took that interest and decided to only help himself with it.


He's also precluded himself from changing it. When he was 21 - in 1977 - he decided that no one learns anything about politics after they turn 21, so it's not too surprising that his fiscal policy is stuck in 1968 and his outlook on politics is stuck in 1977.

I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.
 
2012-11-23 10:32:16 AM

clkeagle: More_Like_A_Stain: When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign

Good lord. The only toys that man must have received as a child were an adding machine and a pencil sharpener shaped like Ayn Rand's head. Almost makes you feel sorry for- nah, I can't finish it.


Reminds me of that kid who spoke at the Republican convention during the 2008 election. At least, he later realized and admitted that he had no idea what he was talking about back then.
 
2012-11-23 10:34:10 AM

Karac: Damn, that's low. That's Joe Walsh levels of low.


userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-11-23 10:34:34 AM
i.imgur.com

Good chicken.
 
2012-11-23 10:35:28 AM

qorkfiend: He's also precluded himself from changing it. When he was 21 - in 1977 - he decided that no one learns anything about politics after they turn 21, so it's not too surprising that his fiscal policy is stuck in 1968 and his outlook on politics is stuck in 1977.

I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.


That's true. Decided that the Liberals must pay for what they did to his childhood hero Nixon. By which I mean "held him to the standard of average citizen and didn't let him break the law without consequences." Ford did that, anyway.
 
2012-11-23 10:36:46 AM

qorkfiend: I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.



Srsly? All of it. Hes a farkin' throwback.

When Shrub was a candidate I did not like it; I knew he represented the remains of the Watergate era idiots who made a farking mess of things. And look at how good he was at Presidentin'.

i find it very sad that folks don't seem to recall just how crappy the GOP has been for over 40 years, and that they can be made to feel so afraid they will vote against their own interests time and time again.

The salt of the Earth....You know, morons.
 
2012-11-23 10:39:03 AM

Serious Black: mrshowrules: KWess: The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.

Not only are they artificial, they are also based on lies. The 'debt ceiling' is positioned as not increasing spending when it reality it is paying for stuff already spent. The tax pledge is based on the insane notion that higher taxes are always bad for the economy.

FTFY. There are definitely situations where cutting taxes can be the right policy.


www.aceshowbiz.com

I prefer my way. Let's just say there hasn't been a situation in our lifetimes where tax cuts were a good idea for the economy. Certainly not in the lifetime of the pledge.
 
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2012-11-23 10:39:59 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Shadowknight: volunteered with Nixon

When he was 12 years old.

From Wiki: Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956)
Norquist became involved with politics at an early age when he volunteered for the 1968 Nixon campaign




huh. when he was 12. the same year he came up with his dumbass tax policy ideas. 12.
 
2012-11-23 10:41:40 AM

BlueSouth: BlueSouth: There is talk of Karen Handel going after Chambliss in the primary. When I'm actually rooting for him winning there is something wrong with the world. I'm aware we're going to elect a Republican senator and I'd rather it be Chabliss. Ugh, I just made myself sick.

To be clear I'm voting for anyone else in the general, but might register Republican so I can vote against Handel in the primary.


You don't register republican in GA, you just ask the election official for a republican primary ballot.
 
2012-11-23 10:44:32 AM
old mother hubbard
went to the cup board
to get her poor dog a bone
when she bent over
Grover took over
cause he had a bone of his own.
 
2012-11-23 10:44:57 AM

Alphax: 20 years, and thought up by someone who was 13 at the time.

Put away childish things.


You're saying that hairy jowlbag is only 33? Get the hell out.
 
2012-11-23 10:47:41 AM

Jjaro: Loud_Mouth_Soup: Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.


Citations require evidence, not your say-so.

Provide the link. A credible one.

It was a pretty big story during the election. So of course you attack me for your lack of awareness. Anyway...

Here's a thinkprogress link for you about the initial comments http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/20/487391/newark-mayor-cory- booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign/?mobile=nc hope thats liberal enough for you.

And here are Washington Post and Huff Po articles about the aftermath

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/david-axelrod-scolds - cory-booker-on-bain-capital/2012/05/21/gIQAQbJwfU_blog.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/cory-booker-bain-capital_n_1 7 75427.html


When you link to something in the future, you should try to link something that supports your point.
 
2012-11-23 10:49:28 AM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: mrshowrules: KWess: The 'debt ceiling,' and Grover Norquist's pledge...two artificial constructs hamstringing America's recovery.

Might as well be leprechauns...they have the same basis in the real world.

Not only are they artificial, they are also based on lies. The 'debt ceiling' is positioned as not increasing spending when it reality it is paying for stuff already spent. The tax pledge is based on the insane notion that higher taxes are always bad for the economy.

FTFY. There are definitely situations where cutting taxes can be the right policy.

[www.aceshowbiz.com image 700x465]

I prefer my way. Let's just say there hasn't been a situation in our lifetimes where tax cuts were a good idea for the economy. Certainly not in the lifetime of the pledge.


Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.
 
2012-11-23 10:56:50 AM

Fear the Clam: Alphax: 20 years, and thought up by someone who was 13 at the time.

Put away childish things.

You're saying that hairy jowlbag is only 33? Get the hell out.


No. His "policy" was created when he was 12, but it has only enjoyed widespread support for around 20 years. Prior to that it was considered to be equal to any other tax policy that was conceived by a sheltered adolescent.
 
2012-11-23 11:02:53 AM

Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.


A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.
 
2012-11-23 11:08:19 AM
Both Chumply Suxass and Gruber Numbskull can DIAF
 
2012-11-23 11:09:16 AM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.


I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.
 
2012-11-23 11:11:14 AM

Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.


That would piss off some banks and stockbrokers for sure.
 
2012-11-23 11:13:37 AM

incendi: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

That would piss off some banks and stockbrokers for sure.


I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

"So?"
 
2012-11-23 11:14:02 AM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.


"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)
 
2012-11-23 11:14:22 AM
Begun, the tax wars have.
 
2012-11-23 11:15:37 AM

Tigger: I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

"So?"


That wasn't sympathy. It'll just be politically impossible because the people with the money won't let it happen.
 
2012-11-23 11:17:13 AM

incendi: Tigger: I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

"So?"

That wasn't sympathy. It'll just be politically impossible because the people with the money won't let it happen.


Indeed.
 
2012-11-23 11:23:03 AM

nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)


I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.
 
2012-11-23 11:24:38 AM

Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.


Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.
 
2012-11-23 11:29:11 AM

mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.


Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.
 
2012-11-23 11:29:25 AM
Saxby Chambliss will have to do alot more than this to deserve the "HERO" tag. He is scum personified for the way he smeared Max Cleland.
 
2012-11-23 11:31:27 AM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.


Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.
 
2012-11-23 11:33:07 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.


No because the Canadian GST supplements the regular, progressive income tax system. Does not seek to replace it in anyway.
 
2012-11-23 11:35:32 AM

Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.


I honestly don't know enough about his subject to know if this could work. In any case, it sounds like something that would have to be implemented incrementally.
 
2012-11-23 11:37:45 AM

Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.


You know, I kind of like this idea. How would it effect debit cards though? It would lead to people carrying cash more to avoid the deposit, withdrawal, and point of service tax. As well as the deposit tax that would be built into the pricing of retail goods. Effectively taxing everything at 28%.
 
2012-11-23 11:38:32 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.

Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.


The main reason I dislike the FairTax (and why I suspect most people on Fark do too) is because supporters want it to be the ONLY federal tax. That will almost certainly turn it into a wildly regressive tax since the rich consume far less of their income than the poor and middle classes do. A progressive consumption tax like the X-tax would be very workable and fair.
 
2012-11-23 11:53:42 AM

FlashHarry: what chambliss did to max cleland is unconscionable. but i'm glad to hear he's doing this.


Yes, but it's just more of Chambliss' desperate opportunism. Chambliss is a weathervane and he's willing to side with anyone or stab anyone in the back so long as it advances his own career. Chambliss needs to go just as much as Norquist.
 
2012-11-23 11:53:46 AM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.

I honestly don't know enough about his subject to know if this could work. In any case, it sounds like something that would have to be implemented incrementally.


I think it could be implemented pretty easily. I mean, how do you think credit cards, debit cards, bank transfers, etc. work already? It's on a computer system. All you'd need to do is add a program that takes X% of the amount transferred every single time. You'd probably have to implement it as X/2% on each end to handle the cases where money gets sent overseas or comes back from overseas, but that's hardly a major problem. I think you'd want to test it out with a small set of taxes getting replaced at first, but if that test case worked, you could use it to replace all state and local taxes eventually.

globalwarmingpraiser: You know, I kind of like this idea. How would it effect debit cards though? It would lead to people carrying cash more to avoid the deposit, withdrawal, and point of service tax. As well as the deposit tax that would be built into the pricing of retail goods. Effectively taxing everything at 28%.


Unless people and businesses en masse shifted entirely to using cash and never having any credit cards, debit cards, checking accounts, savings accounts, or really any accounts with any financial institutions, I don't think you'd have a problem with this. And such an en masse shift would be almost impossible without expanding the monetary base by absolutely monstrous margins. People like the convenience of using cards. Losing 0.5% of each transaction would be a very small price to pay for not having the hassle of filling out income tax returns.
 
2012-11-23 11:56:10 AM

Shadowknight: TV's Vinnie: Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?

Are... are you actually asking this question? You have watched the news in the last ix years or so, right? These people believe what they're told by Fox News, their preacher of choice (so long as it's about Jesus), and that's all.


You know that picture with the Fox News logo, and something about "the first thing a cult does is tell you everybody else is lying to you"...?

It's true. And this is what it leads to.

i.imgur.com 

"Dammit, the other places aren't running our conspiracy theory, I'm going to be snarky about a story with real emotion beyond hate and fear, waaah!"

There should be something where such active shunning of knowledge kills off the stupid and delusional. A disease with a cure, but a counter-message that the cure is government plot to do something, I'm sure they could come up with a plausible-to-them reason not to fall for the government doctor's talking points or something.
 
2012-11-23 11:56:57 AM
BTW, if you guys are interested, this paper discusses a lot of the details and the distribution of the tax across the income spectrum.
 
2012-11-23 11:57:15 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.

Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.

economists.
 
2012-11-23 12:01:28 PM

Serious Black: I think it could be implemented pretty easily. I mean, how do you think credit cards, debit cards, bank transfers, etc. work already? It's on a computer system. All you'd need to do is add a program that takes X% of the amount transferred every single time.


On the case.

cf.drafthouse.com
 
2012-11-23 12:02:23 PM
i301.photobucket.com

They had their chance. His name was Huntsman. They blew it.
 
2012-11-23 12:05:00 PM

Tigger: globalwarmingpraiser: mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.

Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark. economists.


I figured the people that would despise the FAir Tax the most as written would be lobbyists. I am really up for any new ideas though. I try to be open minded and our current system seems to be filled with fail.
 
2012-11-23 12:09:17 PM

MorrisBird: You people are weird. I don't get the Grover fanboys. I always preferred Oscar the Grouch.


Grover sounds like Yoda.

/Also prefers Oscar.
//It's the green olives.
 
2012-11-23 12:12:33 PM
Raharu:

Cut it out, jackass.
 
2012-11-23 12:19:51 PM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.


Short term pain? You're prescribing an aggressively regressive national sales tax for a country which, unlike Canada, has weak unions, banana-republic income and wealth disparity, no universal health care, an eroding social safety net, and an inverse yield curve on tax rates for the ultra-wealthy?

Why do you hate us so much?

/It's not my fault my sister's in-laws have 50 acres of sugar maples.
 
2012-11-23 12:24:56 PM

Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.

I honestly don't know enough about his subject to know if this could work. In any case, it sounds like something that would have to be implemented incrementally.

I think it could be implemented pretty easily. I mean, how do you think credit cards, debit cards, bank transfers, etc. work already? It's on a computer system. All you'd need to do is add a program that takes X% of the amount transferred every single time. You'd probably have to implement it as X/2% on each end to handle the cases where money gets sent overseas or comes back from overseas, but that's hardly a major problem. I think you'd want to test it out with a small set of taxes getting replaced at first, but if that test case worked, you could use it to replace all state and local taxes eventually.

globalwarmingpraiser: You know, I kind of like this idea. How would it effect debit cards though? It would lead to people carrying cash more to avoid the deposit, withdrawal, and point of service tax. As well as the deposit tax that would be buil ...


You said a rate of 7% on every transaction. You deposit the money, 7%, You perform a debit card transaction,7% for withdrawal abd 7% for purchase, You add in the 7% the corporation will tack on for the company to cover their tax and you will have a total of 28% increase. Also are you calculating this as inclusive or exclusive because the Fair Tax and the Income tax are setup as inclusive taxes with sets them at a lower quotable rate than an exclusive rate, which is how Sales taxes are normally calculated'.
 
2012-11-23 12:26:35 PM

Mercutio74: Due to the US political systems the people that pay for campaigns are the ones with authority. Since Grover's pledge is extortionary and far more effective than if he, himself, were a representative or even a senator.


THIS. Recently a Farker astutely pointed out that the Republican Party doesn't have any leaders, they have owners.

In the Republican Party there are the politicians and there are the money men. Money men like Norquist run the show. They can replace the politicians whenever they don't do as they are told. The politicians themselves have little to no recourse if they don't like the money men.

Chambliss can do as he is ordered to do by Norquist or he can be replaced with a more obedient politician.
 
2012-11-23 12:37:50 PM

Wasteland: Shirley Ujest: What kind of name is " Saxby"?


Heh. Turns out it's a Scandinavian name. Means "Saxon farm."


Hmm, there are 26 people in Sweden named Saxby. And it translates to: "Scissor Village".
 
2012-11-23 12:42:35 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.

I honestly don't know enough about his subject to know if this could work. In any case, it sounds like something that would have to be implemented incrementally.

I think it could be implemented pretty easily. I mean, how do you think credit cards, debit cards, bank transfers, etc. work already? It's on a computer system. All you'd need to do is add a program that takes X% of the amount transferred every single time. You'd probably have to implement it as X/2% on each end to handle the cases where money gets sent overseas or comes back from overseas, but that's hardly a major problem. I think you'd want to test it out with a small set of taxes getting replaced at first, but if that test case worked, you could use it to replace all state and local taxes eventually.

globalwarmingpraiser: You know, I kind of like this idea. How would it effect debit cards though? It would lead to people carrying cash more to avoid the deposit, withdrawal, and point of service tax. As well as the deposit tax tha ...


I didn't say 7%. That was mrshowrules. I said 0.5%. It's hard to keep track with all the quote trains, but I'm positive I said 0.5%.

The tax rate I mentioned is an inclusive rate, but the difference between the inclusive and exclusive rates at this small level is almost completely negigible. The exclusive rate would be approximately 0.5025%, or 1/40000th larger than the inclusive rate. In comparison, the exclusive rate of the FairTax is almost a third larger than the inclusive rate.
 
2012-11-23 12:47:29 PM

alienated: MorrisBird: You people are weird. I don't get the Grover fanboys. I always preferred Oscar the Grouch.

Lol. I hate both Chambliss and Norquist. I was more of a Count person myself anyhow.ah ah ah


I dislike Norquist a bit more. Also, I'm an Ernie girl. "Rubber Duckie you're the one, you make bath time lots of fun, Rubber Duckie I'm awfully fond of you ..."
 
2012-11-23 12:52:35 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.

Short term pain? You're prescribing an aggressively regressive national sales tax for a country which, unlike Canada, has weak unions, banana-republic income and wealth disparity, no universal health care, an eroding social safety net, and an inverse yield curve on tax rates for the ultra-wealthy?

Why do you hate us so much?

/It's not my fault my sister's in-laws have 50 acres of sugar maples.


I didn't explain it properly. I meant "tax" pain. Not austerity on those already suffering. I mean windfall profit tax increases on the rich to fund infrastructure and education spending. Let the rich profit from a rich country but let them invest in it first. I don't have a problem with Conservatives being advocates of the rich, I just wish they were thinking further ahead.
 
2012-11-23 12:55:18 PM

Serious Black: globalwarmingpraiser: Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: mrshowrules: Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

Makes sense. Also, you should just cancel the Capital Gains deduction/loophole on any income above $250K.

Well, the idea would be if you implemented that tax that you would basically wipe out the rest of the tax code, so there wouldn't be any loopholes. The only thing the guy that initially designed this could think of was people who stuck to all cash to avoid the automated tax, and that could be solved pretty well with a double or triple transaction tax when you took money out of a bank or deposited it back into a bank.

I honestly don't know enough about his subject to know if this could work. In any case, it sounds like something that would have to be implemented incrementally.

I think it could be implemented pretty easily. I mean, how do you think credit cards, debit cards, bank transfers, etc. work already? It's on a computer system. All you'd need to do is add a program that takes X% of the amount transferred every single time. You'd probably have to implement it as X/2% on each end to handle the cases where money gets sent overseas or comes back from overseas, but that's hardly a major problem. I think you'd want to test it out with a small set of taxes getting replaced at first, but if that test case worked, you could use it to replace all state and local taxes eventually.

globalwarmingpraiser: You know, I kind of like this idea. How would it effect debit cards though? It would lead to people carrying cash more to avoid the deposit, withdrawal, and point of service tax. As well ...


That is good to know. Done right anything would work better. Our current system seems designed to keep lobbyists working, not fund the government. I just want a tax system designed for that. It should have as little impact as possible and not tryto engineer behavior. It should generate revenue that is neccessary for the government. Also we should make some major government cuts and start in foreign military operations and bases. The navy is the only place that should have overseas operations when we are not involved in an active declared war. I know legally an AUMF is the same, but WAR has a psychological impact that makes people think and sacrifice more.
 
2012-11-23 01:07:47 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: That is good to know. Done right anything would work better. Our current system seems designed to keep lobbyists working, not fund the government. I just want a tax system designed for that. It should have as little impact as possible and not tryto engineer behavior. It should generate revenue that is neccessary for the government.


Well, that's basically all this tax would do. Definitely take a look at the paper I posted earlier in the thread.
 
2012-11-23 01:29:16 PM
Or, you know, we could just take the caps off Social Security and Medicare taxes and tax capital gains as ordinary income.*
And remove all tax-advantaged deductions for corporations that have their manufacturing plants overseas, and cut out all deductions from artificially-inflated transfer costs in tax shelters.
Include a 200% tax on all executive compensation packages over 54 times the lowest compensation for employees/'contractors'/subcontractors on outsourced functions. (I call it the "Want to make more? Make everybody better off tax, you sociopaths.")

*Unless you can point to real, living-wage American jobs created by a specific "investment".
 
2012-11-23 01:29:16 PM

Serious Black: globalwarmingpraiser: That is good to know. Done right anything would work better. Our current system seems designed to keep lobbyists working, not fund the government. I just want a tax system designed for that. It should have as little impact as possible and not tryto engineer behavior. It should generate revenue that is neccessary for the government.

Well, that's basically all this tax would do. Definitely take a look at the paper I posted earlier in the thread.


I plan on it. Like I said, I am looking for something that works better. It is why I kind of like the Fair Tax. It also completely detaxes the Poor. But really it is a search.
 
2012-11-23 01:48:37 PM

Bungles: These pledges happen from time to time in the UK... but always on the understanding that it's for the life of the current Parliament (ie 3 to 5 years),

Because... you know... Shiat changes.


Ah, but, you see, this tax pledge came to Grover Norquist in a vision when he was a twelve-year-old. We have a lot of people who will follow a vision off a cliff.
 
2012-11-23 02:01:31 PM
I'm not a Norquist fan, but using the hero tag for someone who questioned the patriotism of a guy who got three limbs blown off in Vietnam is a waste.
 
2012-11-23 02:18:38 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: I plan on it. Like I said, I am looking for something that works better. It is why I kind of like the Fair Tax. It also completely detaxes the Poor. But really it is a search.


Apart from the tax we'll all pay on everything. So, for example, a mortgage for $150,000 will cost $195,000. And then we'll be paying the 30% on the interest too.

You'll notice I said 30% instead of 23%. That's because the 'Fair' Tax is stated as being 23% of the post-tax price.

So if something cost $100 after the 'Fair Tax' was added, that's because it was $77 before the tax, then $23 on for the tax...

upload.wikimedia.org

...which, as a sales tax (because it's a tax on things you buy) makes it close enough to 30% to use that percentage.

When an idea has to hide how much it would actually cost people in weasel math, I have a problem with it.
 
2012-11-23 02:19:00 PM

mksmith: I don't what he might have done on any specific day, a loathsome creep like Chambliss should NEVER be given the "Hero" tag. Not Ever. Period.


It just goes to show how utterly loathsome today's GOP is when it can make CHAMBLISS look good in comparison.

/we are through the looking-glass, people
 
2012-11-23 04:06:57 PM
He'll be primaried out just like Dick Lugar in Indiana, and then the Tea Party primary winner will lose to a Democrat. Win-Win!! Kill to a-hole GOP candidates in one election. How cool is that.

/Thanks Saxby for sticking your neck out.
 
2012-11-23 04:09:48 PM

SevenizGud: cut spending maybe? just a thought


Has been done. To the bone.

/Well, except in the Department of Defense.
//Should slice up the Defense budget like a roast turkey on Thanksgiving
 
2012-11-23 04:13:02 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: The two-term senator from Georgia added he's "willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves."

And this is why the Hero tag was misused. Either raising taxes didn't become "the right thing" until the election revealed a shift in public sentiment to this scumbag or he's admitting that the pledge has always been about political posturing to protect the rich.


Yeah, this. Why wasn't it the right thing to do on day one, you Grovercock sucking politiwhore.
 
2012-11-23 04:16:46 PM

Kibbler: Suddenly Chambliss is being presented, by both the media and the far right, as moderate. That fark was goosestepping with wild abandon back in the Drydrunk Hillbilly Murder Party days.

Still, if it's a choice between him and some teabagger zealot in 2014, I'd prefer him. He clearly will adapt somewhat, based on prevailing political headwinds.

But if Romney had won, I'm sure he'd be fapping to an Iran Murder Party


Are you kidding? If there's a primary between him and some Teabagging nut case, we should do all we can to get the nuttiest nutbag to run and have that person win the primary. Look what happened to Akin in Missouri and Mourdock in Indiana (and McMahon in NH/CT/VE/wherever). That was just beautiful.
 
2012-11-23 04:33:01 PM

Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.


Only to realize that they were right and Corey was wrong. Bain is evil.

/"rein" is correct
//"reign" is incorrect
 
2012-11-23 05:20:40 PM
Good for Chambliss. It takes real courage to stand up to bullies like him.
 
2012-11-23 07:13:31 PM
FLIP FLOPPER!
 
2012-11-23 08:06:10 PM

Kibbler: Suddenly Chambliss is being presented, by both the media and the far right, as moderate. That fark was goosestepping with wild abandon back in the Drydrunk Hillbilly Murder Party days.

Still, if it's a choice between him and some teabagger zealot in 2014, I'd prefer him. He clearly will adapt somewhat, based on prevailing political headwinds.

But if Romney had won, I'm sure he'd be fapping to an Iran Murder Party


If Karen Handel tries to primary him, I will have to vote for Saxby. Witch made me vote for Nathan Deal, too. How does Georgia keep growing such slime mold?
 
2012-11-23 08:17:05 PM

zenobia: Kibbler: Suddenly Chambliss is being presented, by both the media and the far right, as moderate. That fark was goosestepping with wild abandon back in the Drydrunk Hillbilly Murder Party days.

Still, if it's a choice between him and some teabagger zealot in 2014, I'd prefer him. He clearly will adapt somewhat, based on prevailing political headwinds.

But if Romney had won, I'm sure he'd be fapping to an Iran Murder Party

If Karen Handel tries to primary him, I will have to vote for Saxby. Witch made me vote for Nathan Deal, too. How does Georgia keep growing such slime mold?


If Tom Price were to decide to leave the House for the Senate, I would have to vote for Saxby. Tom Price makes me shudder.
 
2012-11-23 09:52:24 PM

somedude210: Shadowknight: Shirley Ujest: What kind of name is " Saxby"?

In my head, it always calls forth an image of a southern dandy. Like he should be a minor character in "Gone with the Wind."

Why Mister Grover, I know nothin' bout birthin' no debt reduction


Inherit the wind?
 
2012-11-24 01:25:35 AM

randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any DemocratRush Limbaugh does to any Republican going against the party line on anything at any time.


Fixed.
 
2012-11-24 11:11:34 PM

mksmith: I don't what he might have done on any specific day, a loathsome creep like Chambliss should NEVER be given the "Hero" tag. Not Ever. Period.


Agreed. Congress is full of loonies, liars and scumbags, but Chambliss is the lowest of the low.

His ad against wounded veteran (and actual hero) Senator Cleland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKFYpd0q9nE
 
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