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(Daily Mail)   Beatles' fans get an early Christmas present as the holy grail of Beatles tapes has been found   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 107
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2012-11-22 03:25:17 PM  
From TFA:

But the band failed to impress Decca executive Dick Rowe who turned them down, believing 'guitar groups' are on the way out


But the band failed to impress soon to be fired Decca executive Dick Rowe who turned them down, believing 'guitar groups' are on the way out.

There you go, fixed it for you.
 
2012-11-22 03:35:22 PM  
HUGE Beatles fan here, but I am only interested in this in a historical sense. All cover songs, most of which we heard some version of on Anthology.
 
2012-11-22 03:58:12 PM  
Yes, the songs were all covered later on other releases

Also a huge Beatles fan, but any early unreleased musical snapshots of the group still hold a tremendous historic interest, primarily to show the huge growth and maturity in their playing and (later) songwriting ability.
 
2012-11-22 04:27:55 PM  
Dear Beatles Fans

Not every song the Beatles ever recorded were as good and enjoyable as Hey Jude and I want to hold your hand.


Realist
 
2012-11-22 04:30:05 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: HUGE Beatles fan here, but I am only interested in this in a historical sense. All cover songs, most of which we heard some version of on Anthology.


So you're saying it's not the real Grail?

Oh wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot! Oh, she is a naughty person, and she must pay the penalty...
 
2012-11-22 05:13:42 PM  

DownDaRiver: Not every song the Beatles ever recorded were as good and enjoyable as Hey Jude and I want to hold your hand.


And those aren't even their best songs....
 
2012-11-22 05:14:35 PM  
The Beatles are overrated
 
2012-11-22 05:14:49 PM  
I thought all of the fans of the Beatles had died of old age by now.


Sorry for the error.
 
2012-11-22 05:17:28 PM  
Serious question. It has always been said that magnetic tape has a relatively short life expectancy. Yet, here we have a roll of it and "and the sound quality on it is said to be pristine".. I just did some Google-Fu and while no official test has ever been done the general thought it 30 years is the very upper limit of the life expectancy of magnetic tape.

This isn't the first time I've ever read about old as shiat magnetic tape still being pristine and playable.. Are all the experts wrong or is something else missing from the equation here that this shiat seems to last a lot longer than anyone will actually tell you?
 
2012-11-22 05:18:10 PM  
If they had signed with another label things could have been drastically different for them. They may not have become the global sensations they did become if this bumbling farknut had had anything to do with it. Think about it. If you have lackluster management that doesn't believe in the product, how hard are they going to work to make it successful? I bet in that case the Beatles could've been around a few years tops and then fizzled out quickly.
 
2012-11-22 05:18:21 PM  

DownDaRiver: Dear Beatles Fans

Not every song the Beatles ever recorded were as good and enjoyable as Hey Jude and I want to hold your hand.


Realist

 

fwooshflix.com
 
2012-11-22 05:19:05 PM  

PowerSlacker: I thought all of the fans of the Beatles had died of old age by now.


Sorry for the error.


I'm a Stones fan
Wanna start something?
 
2012-11-22 05:24:26 PM  

styckx: Serious question. It has always been said that magnetic tape has a relatively short life expectancy. Yet, here we have a roll of it and "and the sound quality on it is said to be pristine".. I just did some Google-Fu and while no official test has ever been done the general thought it 30 years is the very upper limit of the life expectancy of magnetic tape.

This isn't the first time I've ever read about old as shiat magnetic tape still being pristine and playable.. Are all the experts wrong or is something else missing from the equation here that this shiat seems to last a lot longer than anyone will actually tell you?



Spotted your problem right there. Heard it was generally the opposite. Look after it well - cool, dark environment - and it'll last for several decades. I still have vhs tapes from the 80s that play as well as the last day I recorded shiat on it. 

I'd be more comfortable putting my precious materials on tape if possible. Dvds are always a disaster waiting to happen.
 
2012-11-22 05:27:49 PM  

FloydA: Oh wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot! Oh, she is a naughty person, and she must pay the penalty...


I'm not spanking you.
 
2012-11-22 05:30:26 PM  

DownDaRiver: PowerSlacker: I thought all of the fans of the Beatles had died of old age by now.


Sorry for the error.

I'm a Stones fan
Wanna start something?


If you think that Mick Jagger will still be doing the whole rock star thing at age fifty, well, then, you are sorely, sorely mistaken.
 
2012-11-22 05:31:13 PM  
Meh.

The "Decca Audition Tape" has been available on bootlegs for decades.

Old news is old.
 
2012-11-22 05:31:17 PM  
www.feelnumb.com

Pete approves of official release and platinum sales numbers.
 
2012-11-22 05:31:48 PM  

SilentStrider: FloydA: Oh wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot! Oh, she is a naughty person, and she must pay the penalty...

I'm not spanking you.


Yes, yes, you must give us all a good spanking! And after the spanking, the oral sex.
 
2012-11-22 05:32:01 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If they had signed with another label things could have been drastically different for them. They may not have become the global sensations they did become if this bumbling farknut had had anything to do with it. Think about it. If you have lackluster management that doesn't believe in the product, how hard are they going to work to make it successful? I bet in that case the Beatles could've been around a few years tops and then fizzled out quickly.


Dick Rowe was just a record company wonk. They still had Brian Epstein as their manager and he is the one that got them going. He got tons of rejections for them but still kept pushing until he got them a deal. It is no coincidence that their first project after Epstein died was underwhelming (for them, anyway. For anyone else it would have been probably the greatest thing they ever did, but for The Beatles, the Magical Mystery Tour film was a disappointment.)
 
2012-11-22 05:35:37 PM  

Aar1012: The Beatles are overrated


Agreed. No matter how terrible the tape is, there will still be a mass creaming of the jeans by their fans.
 
2012-11-22 05:39:03 PM  

FloydA: So you're saying it's not the real Grail?.


The real holy grail would be a heretofore unknown album of original material.
 
2012-11-22 05:43:05 PM  

gunsmack: Aar1012: The Beatles are overrated

Agreed. No matter how terrible the tape is, there will still be a mass creaming of the jeans by their fans.


All of which coined the expression "Beat the Meatles".
 
2012-11-22 05:45:39 PM  

Aar1012: The Beatles are overrated


edgy
 
2012-11-22 05:48:34 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Aar1012: The Beatles are overrated

edgy


scruffy
 
2012-11-22 05:49:33 PM  

LewDux: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Aar1012: The Beatles are overrated

edgy

scruffy


he's on break
 
2012-11-22 05:49:55 PM  
thankfully record labels caught on that its so much easier and cheaper to kill most of their top acts before age 30. sure, the basement tapes will be released forever but thank god we'll be spared another dooshbag the likes of Paul Mccartney.

/coming up, like a flower
 
2012-11-22 05:51:40 PM  
Is there a "Hitler Finds Out" vid about the Beatles, Stones or the "British Invasion" of music?

/abandons thread to check and see
 
2012-11-22 05:54:00 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If they had signed with another label things could have been drastically different for them. They may not have become the global sensations they did become if this bumbling farknut had had anything to do with it. Think about it. If you have lackluster management that doesn't believe in the product, how hard are they going to work to make it successful? I bet in that case the Beatles could've been around a few years tops and then fizzled out quickly.


I'm not sure about that. All of the ingredients that made the band what it was (the band itself - minus Ringo, Brian Epstein and especially George Martin) were already in place when EMI signed them. Barring catastrophic mismanagement from Decca (not completely unimaginable given what happened with the Rolling Stones), it's likely their career path would have been more or less the same.
 
2012-11-22 05:55:55 PM  

PowerSlacker: I thought all of the fans of the Beatles had died of old age by now.


Sorry for the error.


Don't be so bloody silly, children love The Beatles, just like they love Doctor Who.
 
2012-11-22 06:02:32 PM  

mialynneb: DownDaRiver: PowerSlacker: I thought all of the fans of the Beatles had died of old age by now.


Sorry for the error.

I'm a Stones fan
Wanna start something?

If you think that Mick Jagger will still be doing the whole rock star thing at age fifty, well, then, you are sorely, sorely mistaken.


i877.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-22 06:14:24 PM  
How come it says "Dolby tone" on the track list when Dolby wasn't invented until 1965?
 
2012-11-22 06:17:47 PM  
How exactly was this "found" when it wasn't actually "lost"?
 
2012-11-22 06:20:10 PM  

WhippingBoy: How exactly was this "found" when it wasn't actually "lost"?


More like hoarded.
 
2012-11-22 06:24:27 PM  
again?
 
2012-11-22 06:28:56 PM  
If Decca had signed The Beatles, there would not have been George Martin. He was very instrumental in their sound. They would have sounded much different, so it is impossible to know how big they would have been.
 
2012-11-22 06:48:31 PM  

Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

But the band failed to impress Decca executive Dick Rowe who turned them down, believing 'guitar groups' are on the way out


But the band failed to impress soon to be fired Decca executive Dick Rowe who turned them down, believing 'guitar groups' are on the way out.

There you go, fixed it for you.



I think Decca forgave him after signed The Rolling Stones.
 
2012-11-22 06:54:23 PM  

DownDaRiver: Dear Beatles Fans

Not every song the Beatles ever recorded were as good and enjoyable as Hey Jude and I want to hold your hand.
Realist


OMG SFTU the Beatles did not create rock and roll, listen to another band for once you tiresome dullards


"FTFY"
 
2012-11-22 07:01:18 PM  

Aar1012: The Beatles are overrated


I've never personally said I thought they are overrated, but I've never thought of them as highly as the rest of the world. It's always gotten me shiat. I like some of their stuff a lot, but I've never owned more than a few songs. Never used it as a point of cool or hipness. Just the truth. Everyone should be allowed to like what they like. The stones I do not like however
 
2012-11-22 07:04:17 PM  

styckx: Serious question. It has always been said that magnetic tape has a relatively short life expectancy. Yet, here we have a roll of it and "and the sound quality on it is said to be pristine".. I just did some Google-Fu and while no official test has ever been done the general thought it 30 years is the very upper limit of the life expectancy of magnetic tape.

This isn't the first time I've ever read about old as shiat magnetic tape still being pristine and playable.. Are all the experts wrong or is something else missing from the equation here that this shiat seems to last a lot longer than anyone will actually tell you?


My father has been converting all his ancient magnetic tapes to digital recently and they've held together extremely well apparently.
 
2012-11-22 07:08:48 PM  

styckx: Serious question. It has always been said that magnetic tape has a relatively short life expectancy. Yet, here we have a roll of it and "and the sound quality on it is said to be pristine".. I just did some Google-Fu and while no official test has ever been done the general thought it 30 years is the very upper limit of the life expectancy of magnetic tape.

This isn't the first time I've ever read about old as shiat magnetic tape still being pristine and playable.. Are all the experts wrong or is something else missing from the equation here that this shiat seems to last a lot longer than anyone will actually tell you?


Tapes in the right humidity and temperature can last indefinitely. The tapes go bad because of the glue holding the magnetic material on. It degrades and the iron oxide flakes off.

Tapes in poor condition can be made to play one more time to get the information off by baking them in an oven right before playback. You just better have your tape deck calibrated correctly.
 
2012-11-22 07:10:20 PM  
Like someone else mentioned, these recordings have been available on bootleg for years. I have them.

You can hear it here.

Maybe it was just the master tape that went missing, and yeah having that would be a big deal, but these aren't "unheard" recordings.
 
2012-11-22 07:18:06 PM  
got it 3 or 4 years ago.....

Link
 
2012-11-22 07:43:11 PM  
This is probably a back up of the master. Ray Dolby invented dolby while working for ampex in 1965. So this is really an early bootleg. Good luck on that auction, oh yea about that buyer.....
 
2012-11-22 07:52:12 PM  

DownDaRiver: PowerSlacker: I thought all of the fans of the Beatles had died of old age by now.


Sorry for the error.

I'm a Stones fan


Dear god, WHY?
 
2012-11-22 07:56:08 PM  
Is that the only known picture of Pete Best with the talent?
 
2012-11-22 07:59:05 PM  

No Such Agency: DownDaRiver: Dear Beatles Fans

Not every song the Beatles ever recorded were as good and enjoyable as Hey Jude and I want to hold your hand.
Realist

OMG SFTU the Beatles did not create rock and roll, listen to another band for once you tiresome dullards

"FTFY"


People can't tell the difference between "first", "notable", or "important" from "good". Fellating the Beatles at this point is about like driving a brand new car, but saying how the Model T is still FAR superior to anything made today. Music has moved on since then, but many haven't.
 
2012-11-22 08:08:38 PM  

FloydA: AdolfOliverPanties: HUGE Beatles fan here, but I am only interested in this in a historical sense. All cover songs, most of which we heard some version of on Anthology.

So you're saying it's not the real Grail?

Oh wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot! Oh, she is a naughty person, and she must pay the penalty...


and then after Zoot you must spank me
 
2012-11-22 08:10:10 PM  
I'm surprised that these Decca recordings had been classified as "lost". They have been appearing on bootlegs for decades and several of them appeared on the first Anthology album.
 
2012-11-22 08:15:17 PM  
I've always been more of a Monkee's fan myself.
 
2012-11-22 08:15:41 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: HUGE Beatles fan here, but I am only interested in this in a historical sense. All cover songs, most of which we heard some version of on Anthology.


Like Dreamers Do and Love of the Loved were originals.
 
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