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(Daily Mail)   Grandmother banned from flight after she: A) stripped naked, B) threatened the crew, or C) touched the flight attendant's arm   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 54
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2012-11-22 05:12:56 PM
C? Really, subby? This time I was really hoping for the surprise A or B answer.
 
2012-11-22 05:20:05 PM

Radak: C? Really, subby? This time I was really hoping for the surprise A or B answer.


On Thanksgiving Day, especially, we honor our proud traditions!
 
2012-11-22 06:22:58 PM
Remember that thread about why people are driving more and flying less?
 
2012-11-22 06:42:12 PM
Claims she touched steward's arm but airline says she twisted it. Still, best just go for the most inflammatory claim, eh subby?
 
2012-11-22 07:50:33 PM
So sky waiters are even more cranky than sky waitresses?
 
2012-11-22 07:51:44 PM
She stripped naked, threatened the crew, and then touched a flight attendant? I'd ban her too.
 
2012-11-22 07:52:03 PM
"She was not banned for life. She was prevented from boarding following an incident."

And if she tried to book again in the future, will she be prevented again because of that incident?

If so, isn't that "banned for life"?
 
2012-11-22 07:53:19 PM
Yeah of course you barely touched them, just getting their attention right? fark off. Grabbing hold of someone and preventing them from moving away is plan assault, especially in an already fraught situation. You lost your temper then lost your seat, that is how the world works.
 
2012-11-22 07:54:23 PM
Why do I have the suspicion that what happened is more like this:

Agitated woman grabbed the arm of pissy flight attendant. Pissy flight attendant ordered woman off plane and yelled to ticket agent "Don't let this biatch back on the plane!" Agitated woman flounced off in a huff. Confused ticket agent canceled flight, flagged woman's name. Woman came back next day, agent saw flag, said "Oh, you can't fly, let me get the manager." Agitated woman now even more agitated, flounced off in even bigger huff, called newspaper. Things spiraled out of control from there.

Because otherwise this sounds like a total non-story.
 
2012-11-22 07:54:27 PM

OtherLittleGuy: "She was not banned for life. She was prevented from boarding following an incident."

And if she tried to book again in the future, will she be prevented again because of that incident?

If so, isn't that "banned for life"?


Besides, she's old. She could drop dead at any moment.
 
2012-11-22 07:56:08 PM
The row started when Mrs Kirby was told her hand luggage was too big and needed to go in the hold. She says when she tried to argue her case she she was ignored repeatedly, so she touchedgrabbed and twisted the handler's arm to get her attention in a fit of "Its all about me biatch" rage.

/ftfh
 
2012-11-22 07:59:35 PM
Don't ever touch other people. Problem solved.
 
2012-11-22 08:01:09 PM
The row started when Mrs Kirby was told her hand luggage was too big and needed to go in the hold. She says when she tried to argue her case she she was ignored repeatedly, so she touched the handler's arm to get her attention.

Oh, it's that lady. I'm sure that arguing about your giant bag would somehow modify its physical specifications.
 
2012-11-22 08:05:06 PM

This About That: Remember that thread about why people are driving more and flying less?


Amtrak is a pleasant option as well for replacing short flights. Portland to Seattle it's great for.
 
2012-11-22 08:06:14 PM
The airline could have at least waited until they were airbourne before pushing her off the plane. If they did that, we wouldn't have to listen to granny running her mouth about the incident.
 
2012-11-22 08:09:10 PM
Same thing happened to me! She went completely crazy on me and all I did was barely touch her arm with the tip. My balls weren't even close to touching her!
 
2012-11-22 08:21:07 PM

davidphogan: This About That: Remember that thread about why people are driving more and flying less?

Amtrak is a pleasant option as well for replacing short flights. Portland to Seattle it's great for.


It still takes almost 4 hours to get from Portland to Seattle... and that's after the train gets loaded up and takes off. Flying is cheaper and faster, even with the hassles.
 
2012-11-22 08:24:40 PM
Damn.. guessed the wrong one... >.>
 
2012-11-22 08:24:47 PM
I like the 'Next time relax before you fly' warning they have on the airstairs to let you know it is a shiatty airline.
 
2012-11-22 08:25:25 PM
"Ooooh, this person is doing the same crap we intentionally do to piss off our customers every day! Don't let her get away with it!" (is what I imagine the stewardess thinking).
 
2012-11-22 08:30:37 PM

Rapmaster2000: The row started when Mrs Kirby was told her hand luggage was too big and needed to go in the hold. She says when she tried to argue her case she she was ignored repeatedly, so she touched the handler's arm to get her attention.

Oh, it's that lady. I'm sure that arguing about your giant bag would somehow modify its physical specifications.


Did you miss the part about how "...the whole time she was allowing other passengers to board the plane with bags much larger than ours and we could see them going across the tarmac with their cases."
 
2012-11-22 08:30:51 PM
i.imgur.com

/We all touch appendages down here
 
2012-11-22 08:32:25 PM
The row started when Mrs Kirby was told her hand luggage was too big and needed to go in the hold. She says when she tried to argue her case she she was ignored repeatedly, so she touched the handler's arm to get her attention.

The staff member summoned a supervisor, who promptly banned Mrs Kirby from the flight.


Ah yes, people who argue their bag isn't too big are always the calm reasonable type.
 
2012-11-22 08:36:56 PM
I want to know what kind of "important papers" were in her luggage that she couldn't take out and put in her f*cking purse.
 
2012-11-22 08:37:26 PM
'Tis but a scratch.
sultanofsnow.files.wordpress.com 
/she's mostly 'armless
 
2012-11-22 08:44:19 PM
Some airplanes hit some buildings 11 years ago.

This is a repeat from 1915 and 1943. You didn't all the sudden become a super duper special, elite class.

You're flight attendants and pilots and and desk monkeys you offer a service and I don't see this old broad "roughing somebody up." Anybody. I think you're whiny schmucks and frankly, I hope people just boycott every airline on earth until this whole security theater / the few, the proud, the flight attendants sh*t is over.

Grow a pair, you Nancy assed pricks.
 
2012-11-22 08:52:57 PM
This is clearly the woman's fault. It's totally inappropriate for such invasive behavior.

/unless we're talking about Freedom Fisting ™ of your young daughters by the TSA
//which is for your safety
///if you don't like it then you can put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger
 
2012-11-22 09:04:29 PM
She sounds like one of those biatchy old people who simply don't care anymore and will be outright rude to anyone who doesn't give them exactly what they want.

You were told your bag was too big and it would have to be checked. This happens all the time, if you fly as much as you say you do then you should know this. The fact that some other people may have boarded with large bags ahead of you is irrelevant. The airline sets the rules, it's their call. I've had to check even normal sized carry-on bags before because there was simply no room left in the overhead bins.

The fact that you have "important papers" in your bag is irrelevant. Everyone else has important stuff in their bags too. You are not the queen of the airport who gets special treatment. Again, if you fly as much as you say you do then you would be well aware of this. You were given plenty of explanations, plenty of opportunities to calm down but refused to. Finally you grabbed an employee and were ejected from the flight. Good for them for standing up to a rude passenger. Air travel is stressful enough without having to deal with people like this.
 
2012-11-22 09:07:47 PM
I'm always amused at armchair corporate pom pom wavers pronouncing things "irrelevant" with their best dime store posture of authority. DO you have a .wmv video file of this? you were obviously there.
 
2012-11-22 09:46:17 PM

bunner: I'm always amused at armchair corporate pom pom wavers pronouncing things "irrelevant" with their best dime store posture of authority. DO you have a .wmv video file of this? you were obviously there.


None of us were there, dude. We have to decide which of two contradictory stories are true, and we mostly just have our life experiences to draw from as to which is more plausible. And most of us who travel by air have seen a lot more obnoxious passengers insisting that their bloated overstuffed suitcase will fit in the overhead compartment than we have flight personnel arbitrarily telling someone that they need to gate-check their bag while letting larger bags go without comment.
 
2012-11-22 09:50:30 PM
Addendum to my previous post: the truth is quite likely to be somewhere in between and maybe off to one side, but the Bayesian odds still favor at least the likelihood that the passenger's bag was genuinely oversized or at least borderline, that no larger bags were in fact passed through, and that the physical contact was more than just a light brush on the arm. The other details are, of course, more uncertain.
 
2012-11-22 09:58:24 PM
The humorous part here is the implication that by spawning a creature that then spawns (tada! Grandmother!) you are elevated to a position beyond reproach

Dnrtfa, expecting 28 yr old "grandmother"
 
2012-11-22 10:01:01 PM
Perhaps. However, I have found a great deal of what passes for "rules" within any given construct wherein somebody is allotted a modicum of authority, are very arbitrary, indeed. People do cheap, pissy bullsh*t and are often given to using any bolthole or lever they can wield to do it. One thing we can all agree on is, much like the beginning of the universe as we know it, none of us were there, so we're guessing.
 
2012-11-22 10:04:46 PM
Can we stop referring to these people in the headlines as "grandmothers?" Yes, it is denotatively correct. But the connotation is the sweet, fragile old lady who is almost NEVER what the person in the photo looks like.

This woman looks hale, hearty, and quite capable of twisting an arm if she wants to. Calling attention to her family status is done just to create a sense of outrage that ought not apply.
 
2012-11-22 10:27:02 PM
It really depends on their interaction immediately leading up to her placing her hand on the employee.

If she had been speaking in an aggressive manner or had been arguing with the employee, then the bar for perceived assault is pretty damn low.
 
2012-11-22 10:28:26 PM

brimed03: Can we stop referring to these people in the headlines as "grandmothers?" Yes, it is denotatively correct. But the connotation is the sweet, fragile old lady who is almost NEVER what the person in the photo looks like.


I agree. If I ever get into the news, for whatever reason, and they refer to me as 'grandfather' (meaning old feeble dude)...I will kick someones ass.

However...I can easily see an airline worker freaking out over a 'touch'.
 
2012-11-22 11:00:49 PM
You know how I can tell that almost no one has bothered to read this article? Because if they had, this would have been posted by now.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-22 11:06:01 PM

Radak: C? Really, subby? This time I was really hoping for the surprise A or B answer.


I'm betting there is more to the story and judging by the attitudes of assholes who refuse to check bags I am betting she grabbed the attendants arm.
 
2012-11-23 12:26:47 AM

Arctic Phoenix: It still takes almost 4 hours to get from Portland to Seattle... and that's after the train gets loaded up and takes off. Flying is cheaper and faster, even with the hassles.


3 hours, 20 minutes last times I took it. That's from King St to Union Station, aka how long I can't have a cigarette. I have no complaints.
 
2012-11-23 12:34:14 AM
Oddly enough we watched Anger Management on Netflix tonite.
 
2012-11-23 01:01:19 AM
Ugh this shiat makes me want to quit drinkin a build a farking teleporter just so we can all stop bowing down to every retard vaguely associated with operating a plane. It's farking machine you coonts, and not only did they not design or build it, they don't know have the slightest farking clue how it works. Without em it would still farking work, you'd just have to get up and get your own drink. Better yet you could just bring what you want to drink on board.
Oh and thanks for the farking safety lecture on how to use a seatbelt. I have total confidence in these highschool drop outs at saving everyone in the 1 in a million chance the plane goes down.

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2012-11-23 01:04:38 AM

Mithiwithi: bunner: I'm always amused at armchair corporate pom pom wavers pronouncing things "irrelevant" with their best dime store posture of authority. DO you have a .wmv video file of this? you were obviously there.

None of us were there, dude. We have to decide which of two contradictory stories are true, and we mostly just have our life experiences to draw from as to which is more plausible. And most of us who travel by air have seen a lot more obnoxious passengers insisting that their bloated overstuffed suitcase will fit in the overhead compartment than we have flight personnel arbitrarily telling someone that they need to gate-check their bag while letting larger bags go without comment.


Based on my extensive life experiences and given that there are always three sides to any story, I have to stick by my original scenario: Obnoxious passenger, pissy flight attendant, confused third party who wasn't sure what happened on the plane. Probably it was slightly MORE the passenger's fault; but I'm not willing to give the flight attendant 100% benefit of the doubt here. I'm sure she (he?) could have handled the situation better. I know how people in customer service get when they have irritated customers, and by the time a person gets to where they're grabbing at someone, it's more than likely that the attendant has in fact ignored the person or deliberately made sure that someone else has gotten away with whatever the obnoxious person has been demanding.

It's not fair or whatever, but I used to see it happen all the time.
 
2012-11-23 01:04:47 AM
Also i should prolly start proffreaedin my post so they alfway untelligilbe anglish.
 
2012-11-23 02:16:44 AM

bunner: I'm always amused at armchair corporate pom pom wavers pronouncing things "irrelevant" with their best dime store posture of authority. DO you have a .wmv video file of this? you were obviously there.


I'm no corporate cheerleader but having flown all over the world my general experience is that it's much more often the passengers being rude and obnoxious than the airline employees.

Yes the contents of your bag are in fact irrelevant. If they're important to you than have them insured. It's not the airlines job to play favorites so your bag gets special treatment. There are plenty of other people with important luggage on the plane, much of it is probably significantly more valuable/precious than yours, yet they are sitting in their seats waiting patiently for takeoff, why should your inane rantings take precedence over them? They shouldn't and they won't of course.

Yes it's also irrelevant the treatment the other passengers are getting. Maybe they lucked out and got through with an oversize bag, that in no way means you are entitled to it, and getting pissy with the attendant is not going to work in your favor. Kind of like when a cop pulls you over; even if you fully believe he is wrong getting in his face about it is not going to help your cause. Being polite and calm very likely will however. State your case then accept the response with grace.
 
2012-11-23 02:26:14 AM
If the assault was witnessed by police, why wasn't she arrested and charged?
 
2012-11-23 02:26:55 AM

ElBarto79: The fact that you have "important papers" in your bag is irrelevant.


You don't keep your important papers in your suitcase. You bring a large purse, briefcase or laptop bag just in case you're asked to check your larger pieces of carry-on.

There are times when the overhead bins start to get full and the cabin crew notifies the gate attendant to start checking suitcases. So just because you see people far ahead of you in line with large suitcases getting on doesn't mean you get to do the same.

Some larger airlines keep a few older planes with the old-style overhead bins for emergency substitutions when the scheduled plane is in for maintenance. Those old bins don't hold jack. Guess what they make you do?

And some regional airlines fly planes that just can't handle large pieces of luggage. Horizon Air always has a baggage cart waiting near the bottom of the boarding stairs when flying a Bombardier Dash 8. You then pick your luggage up on a similar cart at your destination.
 
2012-11-23 03:08:07 AM
God damn do I hate grabby old people. Keep your knobby fleshsicles to yourself, granny.
 
2012-11-23 03:16:39 AM

ElBarto79: Being polite and calm very likely will however. State your case then accept the response with grace.


That's ridiculousness. Clearly, hurling feces at all those around you whenever you are faced with an unfortunate flight situation is the appropriate response.
 
2012-11-23 04:03:32 AM
'She was prevented from boarding following an incident with a staff member which was witnessed by the police. They supported our decision.'

If this was true, why wasn't the woman arrested for assault? And why are there Spanish police watching people board your plane?
 
2012-11-23 05:04:22 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Radak: C? Really, subby? This time I was really hoping for the surprise A or B answer.

On Thanksgiving Day, especially, we honor our proud traditions!


I was hoping for D.) All of the above
 
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