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2012-11-23 09:29:03 AM  
2 votes:
So much derp in here. Hard to even take it seriously.

When I was 9 or so the parents put me on ritalin/dexedrine and all of a sudden I could focus, school made sense, and the seeds were planted for my life long love of books. Two years later it was not kosher to have a drugged up kid and I was pulled off the drugs cold turkey. I quickly resumed my unfocused, haywire, 1.8gpa life.

You can't tell a hyper kid to focus on something they don't want to focus on. You can't tell them to calm down, or be interested in a subject, class, job, relationship, whatever, that is not clicking with them.
For normal people the best I can describe it is like having 50 radio stations going on in my head at the same time and when I'm intensely interested in something due to a natural affinity or curiosity I can trim that down to 5 or so stations containing random and simultaneous thoughts; if I'm forced to focus on something that does not "click" the best I can do is bring it down to about 25 stations.

So while I'm trying to learn math I'm thinking about wading in a stream, humming the itchy and scratchy song, thinking about the noise that a bag of chips makes when opened, looking at the mortar holding the bricks on the walls, the texture of a dog's nose up close, how much I want to make out with the girl sitting next to me, if I like chili or stew better, why helicopter blades when spinning at the right speed look like they are going backwards..... and on and on and on.

Try to wade through all that bullshiat, I dare you.
So I spent my junior high years all the way up to my 30s a highly unfocused / hyper (no pun) focused person. The kind of guy who could go in to painful detail on something that interested me and as long as I was in a familiar realm was considered "smart" yet I could not sit through paying my bills, or even a pre-algebra class (failed it three times as an adult) that I was paying for ($200 to $600) out of pocket each time. Being kept in a room and forced to focus on something that I did not enjoy caused me genuine anxiety and would scatter my brain on a level that was embarrassingly apparent to all around me.

So then I'm 33, I'm depressed (or think I am) because I can't keep things straight in my life. I'm ticking off my wife, have super high levels of anxiety, and just can't figure out why I can't complete basic tasks like a normal person while the high level things I do in my job as a ROV pilot snap together like nothing. I start talking to my doc and tell him about my past, he writes me a script for 7 days worth of adderall. Thirty minutes after taking my first pill I took a nap and slept for most of the day.
I took speed, and I slept.
The radios in my brain shut down to about 3 or so and I was back in a positive place.

That is the difference between someone with an effed up brain like mine and someone with a normal brain.

If you give adderall to someone with a normal brain they spend the rest of the day: cleaning, organizing tupperware by age,size,color, and weight in a complex pattern that they only understand, masturbate 20 times, and then memorize the owner's manual in their car.

You give adderall to someone who is add/adhd and they chill out. In fact, when I'm not on speed I act more like the person on the top.

The great thing about these drugs is that you know within 2 hours if you "need" to be on it or not. Any observant doctor can tell by asking the right questions if they have properly prescribed it.
"what did you do last week after starting adderall?"
"slept, read a little, chilled out"
or
"freaked out, shook a lot, but my house is effing spotless!!!!!moremoremoremore!1111111/hop/hop/hop"

The same doc prescribed my wife 7 pills to see if that was what she was working with (turned out to be thyroid), she was a rock star for 3 days, was crashing hard by the fourth, and stopped taking it after the fifth because she was going through a craving/crashing cycle.

Telling someone with add/adhd to focus is like telling someone with psoriasis to just have their skin stop hating them. Sure diet and exercise help, but trust me, I was a Marine for 9 years, I had plenty of both and was still scatterbrained.

My life is so much better now that I would give the last 10 years of it to be this clear headed until the end. Having a head full of fifty thousand stupid thoughts while trying to remember what your wife just told you (for the third time) five minutes ago is no way to make it.
So if you don't have add/adhd and are all pouty about people being on meds, please go die in a pit of flaming aids infested penis worms.

/wot
/csb
2012-11-22 01:24:30 PM  
2 votes:
All this study says is that many crimes are impulsive.

And I bet crazy people act less crazy when they take their crazy medicine.
2012-11-22 10:43:24 PM  
1 vote:

shortymac: Here's the problem with ADD medications: EVERYONE improves when they take the drugs.

To deal with ADD you can't simply rely on the drugs, you have to include dietary changes, exercise, cognitive behavioral therapy, and organizational skills developed for ADD.

Hubby's family only relied on drugs and it still didn't get rid of all the issues with ADD. They went from F's and D's to C's and B's but were still disorganized messes, etc.

The problem is with modern life, when I was growing up kids in elementary school sucked down on Coke instead of water. Maybe all that caffeine and sugar is making Timmy hyper? NOPE ADD!


What in the world? All you're showing here is discrimination, arrogance, and lack of both empathy and sympathy.

People with ADD improve because the ADD medication removes the suffering of a constant uncontrollable sense of distraction and painful daily boredom. I've personally known a few people with true ADD for whom the medication calms their mind and reduces the distraction and painful daily boredeom.

People without ADD improve in the obvious stereotypical way of stimulant medications "WOW I was able to stay up for 24 hours studying!". It's not much of an improvement though (unless your goal would be to have boundless energy for 24 hours). It's more of a controlled mania.

But it's entirely different type of improvement from someone with true ADD. People with true ADD live a life with daily uncontrollable manias that swap between good mood and bad mood within minutes or hours. I have in fact seen my close friends with ADD become relaxed and able to even take a nap after taking amphetamine-based ADD medication. It seems paradoxical, but it's because ADD is a disease where the brakes of the brain don't work due to lack of energy to control those brakes (resulting in what appears on the surface to be energetic impulsiveness). Stimulant medications provide energy to these "brakes", hence creating a slow-down effect and giving the poor ADD person a calming relaxation.
2012-11-22 03:18:47 PM  
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Glockenspiel Hero: shortymac: Here's the problem with ADD medications: EVERYONE improves when they take the drugs.

To deal with ADD you can't simply rely on the drugs, you have to include dietary changes, exercise, cognitive behavioral therapy, and organizational skills developed for ADD.

Hubby's family only relied on drugs and it still didn't get rid of all the issues with ADD. They went from F's and D's to C's and B's but were still disorganized messes, etc.

The problem is with modern life, when I was growing up kids in elementary school sucked down on Coke instead of water. Maybe all that caffeine and sugar is making Timmy hyper? NOPE ADD!

Ummm, you do know that caffeine is a stimulant and thus helps people with ADHD, right? One of our doctor's recommendations for our son is to give him some tea or coke late in the day when his medication is wearing off. It works.


I know, it's why my husband drinks so much of it. I'm trying to get him to switch from Coke to coffee or tea due to the sugar and salt content of soda, but to no avail.

Just to be clear, I'm talking a normal kid getting misdiagnosed because of the piss-poor American diet of caffeine, sugar, dyes, allergies, and other junk and quick fix foods. There is hardly any examination of a kid's diet before they put him on a drug like Ritalin or Adderall.

If a healthier diet and exercise alone cures the kid, the kid most likely did not have ADD to begin with.
 
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