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2012-11-22 01:32:36 PM
Yeah, we're slightly hypocritical- but note, the government never takes down sites on free speech violations, only on copyright violations.
 
2012-11-22 01:43:16 PM
There should not be one over reaching body to censor the internet the governments of each nation need to censor the internet for thier own people and accept some will find a way around their efforts.
 
2012-11-22 01:55:42 PM
I love it when the US actually behaves as if it's a powerful component of the UN every now and then and that its voice more than matters.
 
2012-11-22 01:59:44 PM

beta_plus: We're a bunch of hypocrites:

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 419x278]

"It began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video" - Susan Rice

"The future does not belong to those who slander Islam." - Barack Obama saying the most American statement of all time EVER!

/Barack Obama has announced that Thanksgiving has been renamed as Those Hateful Pilgrims Full Of Hate Against The Church Of England Can Go fark Themselves Day
//the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail
///Everytime someone who voted for Obama goes to jail for a non-violent drug offense, he gets what he deserves


...Holy fark that's a lot of derp. The guy got busted for violating parole. And yes, a good part of that was because he violated parole in a way that caused mass chaos. The point of parole is to keep people from doing shiat like that.

Jesus, you whine almost as much as the classmates I had that were on parole.
 
2012-11-22 02:27:19 PM

whidbey: I love it when the US actually behaves as if it's a powerful component of the UN every now and then and that its voice more than matters.


Um, we are. We are on the permanent council...
 
2012-11-22 03:03:15 PM

badhatharry: Good luck with that old fasioned free and open market derp.


Whar free and open market, whar?

t.fireden.net
 
2012-11-22 03:07:15 PM

CujoQuarrel: Remember you must not speak ill of Mohammed or the King of Thailand.

// Have at it


I'm telling you I was the King of Spain
 
2012-11-22 04:02:24 PM

badhatharry: Captain Kierk: Sweet bejeebus! What a bunch of jingoistic whagarrble. These "regulations" have nothing to do with censorship. Last I checked, China and Autralia are censoring things up just fine, and all the help they needed they got from Google.

Not a big fan of Google but just follows the laws of the countries they do business in.


"It's just business" is not a justifiable excuse.

Morality is less important than profit according to google. I fully understand that. However google was suppose to be the "don't be evil" company.

It's also important to talk about what is censored. There are reasonable arguments to be made about certain kinds of censorship - copyright law, child porn, etc. Google shouldn't be in the business of censoring opinion. Which they are.

It's sad really. Google could have been a worldwide beacon of the first amendment. Instead they put profits first.
 
2012-11-22 04:06:36 PM

Meethos: Satanic_Hamster: Hmmm. Pony thread.

[e621.net image 800x534]

God farking damn it, no it isn't. Enough with this pony hijacking bullshiat.


OMG Censorship!
 
2012-11-22 04:25:56 PM

beta_plus: We're a bunch of hypocrites:


Yes you and your ilk are.
 
2012-11-22 04:39:26 PM

Meethos: Satanic_Hamster: Hmmm. Pony thread.

[e621.net image 800x534]

God farking damn it, no it isn't. Enough with this pony hijacking bullshiat.


It says it in the thread subject line god dammit.
 
2012-11-22 05:24:33 PM

ethernet76: badhatharry: Captain Kierk: Sweet bejeebus! What a bunch of jingoistic whagarrble. These "regulations" have nothing to do with censorship. Last I checked, China and Autralia are censoring things up just fine, and all the help they needed they got from Google.

Not a big fan of Google but just follows the laws of the countries they do business in.

"It's just business" is not a justifiable excuse.

Morality is less important than profit according to google. I fully understand that. However google was suppose to be the "don't be evil" company.

It's also important to talk about what is censored. There are reasonable arguments to be made about certain kinds of censorship - copyright law, child porn, etc. Google shouldn't be in the business of censoring opinion. Which they are.

It's sad really. Google could have been a worldwide beacon of the first amendment. Instead they put profits first.


That's the free market for ya. Companies CAN do good...but evil is more profitable.
 
2012-11-22 05:28:03 PM

whidbey: I love it when the US actually behaves as if it's a powerful component of the UN every now and then and that its voice more than matters.


It is. We're on the security council (despite your profile suggestion), and seem to be the only country that can make things happen. Example: Israeli-Gaza conflict being resolved after Clinton went over to tell them how it was going to be.
 
2012-11-22 05:46:10 PM
download.gamezone.com

Only pony that matters
 
2012-11-22 06:31:43 PM

whidbey: I love it when the US actually behaves as if it's a powerful component of the UN every now and then and that its voice more than matters.


We could shut down the UN anytime we wanted simply by withdrawing from it.

Hence, one of the major reasons I am in favor of withdrawing from it.
 
2012-11-22 06:43:31 PM

randomjsa: whidbey: I love it when the US actually behaves as if it's a powerful component of the UN every now and then and that its voice more than matters.

We could shut down the UN anytime we wanted simply by withdrawing from it.

Hence, one of the major reasons I am in favor of withdrawing from it.


The UN spends more time working on consistent trade policies, which are fundamental to the world economy, than anything else.
 
2012-11-22 07:25:24 PM

Hand Banana: OMG Censorship!


Gahaha
 
2012-11-22 07:49:14 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-22 09:57:09 PM

madgonad: People are confusing free speech for criminal speech. Just because you do it online doesn't mean it is legal. PIPA and SOPA wouldn't exist if so many dipshiats wouldn't so brazenly violate copyright law (notice that I didn't say stealing).

Also, copyright and patent law need to be completely retooled.


Pirating music, movies, TV shows etc is stealing. I say that as a thief myself - I download TV shows.
 
2012-11-22 10:05:38 PM

beta_plus: //the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail


In the next universe over:

//film maker flagrantly violates the terms of his probation, and Obama steps in to let this criminal go free
 
2012-11-22 10:14:32 PM

beta_plus: We're a bunch of hypocrites:

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"It began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video" - Susan Rice


Big deal.


"The future does must not belong to those who slander Islam." - Barack Obama saying the most American statement of all time EVER!

How is it un-American to oppose those who want to suppress the religious beliefs of others?


/Barack Obama has announced that Thanksgiving has been renamed as Those Hateful Pilgrims Full Of Hate Against The Church Of England Can Go fark Themselves Day

That is bullshiat. You made that up.


//the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail

If that is true then good. He deliberately created that film as a means to incite violence and hatred. He and those who support him are no better than the Taliban.


///Everytime someone who voted for Obama goes to jail for a non-violent drug offense, he gets what he deserves

Those drug laws were not put in place by Obama and you know it. If you don't then you have no business voting in an election.

www.hermes-press.com mycatbirdseat.com
 
2012-11-22 10:17:07 PM

Captain Kierk: Sweet bejeebus! What a bunch of jingoistic whagarrble. These "regulations" have nothing to do with censorship. Last I checked, China and Autralia are censoring things up just fine, and all the help they needed they got from Google.


The internet is not censored in Australia. Some of the authoritarians wanted to introduce censorship and failed.
 
2012-11-22 10:18:29 PM

jjorsett: Phil Moskowitz: Why don't you guys use your ignore list. You'll live longer.

Life would certainly be much more pleasant if we never heard an opinion we disagreed with or were offended by. The UK and other countries are attempting to apply this principle to their entire societies.


Can you back that up?
 
2012-11-22 10:21:37 PM

whidbey: I love it when the US actually behaves as if it's a powerful component of the UN every now and then and that its voice more than matters.


Well as one of the few countries with the power to veto it does matter. And being the most powerful country in the world with the biggest economy and military doesn't hurt either.
 
2012-11-22 10:26:21 PM

randomjsa: whidbey: I love it when the US actually behaves as if it's a powerful component of the UN every now and then and that its voice more than matters.

We could shut down the UN anytime we wanted simply by withdrawing from it.

Hence, one of the major reasons I am in favor of withdrawing from it.


It's too late, really. We've already armed the blacks, and we are in the process of arming the illegals from Mexico and Central America. While we don't need to brainwash the blacks anymore, it will still take until 2016 to fully propagandize the latinos that the only way to get free stuff is to vote Democrat party and let us liberals enslave all the productive whites like you.
I've put in a request to be allowed to take a bullwhip to your fat, flabby, pink ass personally.
Sincerely, Yours-
Joe Stalin Starkweather Hitler III
 
2012-11-22 10:30:36 PM

kg2095: jjorsett: Phil Moskowitz: Why don't you guys use your ignore list. You'll live longer.

Life would certainly be much more pleasant if we never heard an opinion we disagreed with or were offended by. The UK and other countries are attempting to apply this principle to their entire societies.

Can you back that up?


You're confused as to the nature of what's going on here. It isn't actually a nice, juicy minnow. It's just a chrome-plated steel blade with a #16 treble hook attached to it.
 
2012-11-22 10:31:51 PM

kg2095: //the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail

If that is true then good. He deliberately created that film as a means to incite violence and hatred. He and those who support him are no better than the Taliban.


If he was arrested specifically for making that video, then no, that's not good. First amendment and all that. But he wasn't. He was arrested for violating his probation.
 
2012-11-22 11:32:41 PM
So is this the Strongly Worded Letter Gang that Can't Shoot Straight UN or the Evil Black Helicopter New World Order Trilateral Commission George Soros UN?
 
2012-11-23 03:33:18 AM
Any thread involving equines and censorship is incomplete without mention of the majestic Grass Mud Horse.*


*NSFW spoken Mandarin, English subtitles

/please don't be fooled by any superficial similarities to alpacas
 
2012-11-23 04:39:38 AM
I think the US lost a golden opportunity to say, WHY YES, we would love to be able to censor/alter the content of other countries web content delivered to its people, Iran we will start with YOU, - amandina-crazyguy YOU now embrace homoxesuality in our tolerant values. Columbia, you just announced you are seeking the execution of alll drug lords (think hunger games.....RUN).

Palistine and ALL other arab nations have announced their recognition of Isreal to exist and will place an embassy from Israel in each nation.

Mexico has demanded the recall of all its citizens and will begin to freeze the bank accounts and land holdings of those who cannot account for their whearabouts.
 
2012-11-23 06:16:36 AM
For the last 12 years, all I have heard from Fark is how we need to be a Global Citizen and give way to the authority of supra-national organizations. Now all of a sudden it is ok to say 'fark you' to them? Confused.
 
2012-11-23 06:19:32 AM

WillyChase: jjorsett: Phil Moskowitz: Why don't you guys use your ignore list. You'll live longer.

Life would certainly be much more pleasant if we never heard an opinion we disagreed with or were offended by. The UK and other countries are attempting to apply this principle to their entire societies.

Except that's not what the ingore list is for. B- and others make the ignore list bexause their 'opinions' have shown to be not worth reading, or downright trolling. I have yet to meet this mythical farker who ignores people just because he disagrees with them or finds them offensive, hell Most people on this site are offensive


I know a few. They tend to be the ones who talk about their ignore lists repeatedly on said threads.
 
2012-11-23 09:07:49 AM

madgonad: People are confusing free speech for criminal speech. Just because you do it online doesn't mean it is legal. PIPA and SOPA wouldn't exist if so many dipshiats wouldn't so brazenly violate copyright law (notice that I didn't say stealing).

Also, copyright and patent law need to be completely retooled.


And you're confusing SOPA with "due process of law" and "presumed innocent" and "right to appeal."

SOPA was "corporate overlords are judge, jury and executioner. Their rights trump all others. They are supercitizens."
 
2012-11-23 09:30:12 AM

MooseUpNorth: The headline's a total straw-man. There's nothing in there that indicates that _anybody_'s especially looking to restrict speech on the internet. That said, the key words are there.

"Instead of creating new regulations that could affect the Internet, the ITU should do away with the international telecom regulations, he said. Instead of the ITU, private companies and civil society should come up with rules for interconnection and other telecom issues, he said."

This is about removing net neutrality.

Looks like the telecom lobbyists are still looking for carte blanche to throttle your connection based on your destination if those sites don't pay through the nose for preferential treatment.


How about no. Without going into the ridiculousness that is LTE standards, the bowing to AT&T lobbyists to reclassify what 4G means the ITU still does an important job. Even with global certification and standards the world still can't decide on global frequencies for mobile. Fortunately that isn't a life or death case where as Emergency Signals, satellite positions etc all have much more at risk and the ITU does a decent job of keeping that together.

The ITU and its telecom regulations have hung around after their original purpose has expired, Mueller said. "It's almost impossible for intergovernmental organizations to go out of existence," he said. "They just hang on and try to think of new things to do."


Yeah there are no global communication issues now that we solved landlines and ethernet...
 
2012-11-23 11:02:08 AM
And yet, the USA is against net neutrality and is in favor of crap like SOPA, or whatever congress renamed it to this week to throw everyone off.
 
2012-11-23 11:40:38 AM

badhatharry: kroonermanblack: Weaver95: now if only the US actually believed in keeping the internet free, we'd be set. damn shame that we're hypocritical bastards.

What he said. The US is too obsessed with regulating it and censoring it in a way that benefits mega corps to allow anyone else to have a remote chance of gouging that pie before they fark it.

How long do you think before we get our government controlled and monitored universal internet access?


October 2001.

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/faq

/that's some bad hat, Harry.
 
2012-11-23 12:29:15 PM

WayToBlue: badhatharry: kroonermanblack: Weaver95: now if only the US actually believed in keeping the internet free, we'd be set. damn shame that we're hypocritical bastards.

What he said. The US is too obsessed with regulating it and censoring it in a way that benefits mega corps to allow anyone else to have a remote chance of gouging that pie before they fark it.

How long do you think before we get our government controlled and monitored universal internet access?

October 2001.

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/faq

/that's some bad hat, Harry.


Yeah, not a very good deal. We got all the monitoring and but not the right to free universal internet access.
 
2012-11-24 01:47:55 AM
Hilarious. Subby actually believes it's about censorship, and not about ceding control.
 
2012-11-24 03:27:04 AM

kg2095: beta_plus: We're a bunch of hypocrites:

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 419x278]

"It began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video" - Susan Rice

Big deal.


"The future does must not belong to those who slander Islam." - Barack Obama saying the most American statement of all time EVER!

How is it un-American to oppose those who want to suppress the religious beliefs of others?


/Barack Obama has announced that Thanksgiving has been renamed as Those Hateful Pilgrims Full Of Hate Against The Church Of England Can Go fark Themselves Day

That is bullshiat. You made that up.


//the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail

If that is true then good. He deliberately created that film as a means to incite violence and hatred. He and those who support him are no better than the Taliban.


I was with you until this. That kind of thinking is as asinine as it gets.
 
2012-11-24 08:35:20 AM

limboslam: kg2095: beta_plus: We're a bunch of hypocrites:

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 419x278]

"It began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video" - Susan Rice

Big deal.


"The future does must not belong to those who slander Islam." - Barack Obama saying the most American statement of all time EVER!

How is it un-American to oppose those who want to suppress the religious beliefs of others?


/Barack Obama has announced that Thanksgiving has been renamed as Those Hateful Pilgrims Full Of Hate Against The Church Of England Can Go fark Themselves Day

That is bullshiat. You made that up.


//the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail

If that is true then good. He deliberately created that film as a means to incite violence and hatred. He and those who support him are no better than the Taliban.

I was with you until this. That kind of thinking is as asinine as it gets.


Oh. I disagree.
 
2012-11-25 03:11:34 PM

kg2095: limboslam: kg2095: beta_plus: We're a bunch of hypocrites:

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 419x278]

"It began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video" - Susan Rice

Big deal.


"The future does must not belong to those who slander Islam." - Barack Obama saying the most American statement of all time EVER!

How is it un-American to oppose those who want to suppress the religious beliefs of others?


/Barack Obama has announced that Thanksgiving has been renamed as Those Hateful Pilgrims Full Of Hate Against The Church Of England Can Go fark Themselves Day

That is bullshiat. You made that up.


//the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail

If that is true then good. He deliberately created that film as a means to incite violence and hatred. He and those who support him are no better than the Taliban.

I was with you until this. That kind of thinking is as asinine as it gets.

Oh. I disagree.


wow, I wasn't with you until you posted this eloquent rebuttal.

/seriously, what was the farking point of even responding?
 
2012-11-25 09:36:11 PM

WayToBlue: kg2095: limboslam: kg2095: beta_plus: We're a bunch of hypocrites:

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 419x278]

"It began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video" - Susan Rice

Big deal.


"The future does must not belong to those who slander Islam." - Barack Obama saying the most American statement of all time EVER!

How is it un-American to oppose those who want to suppress the religious beliefs of others?


/Barack Obama has announced that Thanksgiving has been renamed as Those Hateful Pilgrims Full Of Hate Against The Church Of England Can Go fark Themselves Day

That is bullshiat. You made that up.


//the internet film maker is now serving a year in jail

If that is true then good. He deliberately created that film as a means to incite violence and hatred. He and those who support him are no better than the Taliban.

I was with you until this. That kind of thinking is as asinine as it gets.

Oh. I disagree.

wow, I wasn't with you until you posted this eloquent rebuttal.

/seriously, what was the farking point of even responding?


Well I won you over didn't I?
 
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