AverageAmericanGuy: Poker isn't really gambling
AverageAmericanGuy: Poker isn't really gambling. Better players will beat worse players. There is a definite strategy that isn't based on pure luck like roulette or craps.
van1ty: clyph: What do you mean by random?Odds are somebody is going to get killed driving to work today. Do you consider driving to work today to be gambling, since the death of this person is "random"? Are you not making a wager on an event?If you invest in the stock market, is that gambling? Does it change if you go to a "professional"?Should people be banned from buying icecream before the try it, because there's uncertainty as to how much flavour (and utility, and value) the customer will get upon purchasing it? Is this not a wager on the outcome of some event?
jack21221: I've always wondered how poker tournaments can be considered gambling, but chess tournaments aren't. Or Magic: The Gathering tournaments. In all these cases, you're putting up money up front to play a game, and the best players will have a better chance at winning the final prize at the end. The actual chips that you "bet" during the poker game have no value. And in the case of M:tG tournaments, there is even luck involved.So I really don't understand how poker tournaments can be treated differently than chess tournaments or M:tG tournaments.
phalamir: Do you use money to influence the path the game takes in chess* or MtG?
oh_please: This wasn't a "get together with your friends" poker night, the SC said that's OK...this was a large scale operation that happened to be run out of a home, and clearly wasn't a one-time thing.
LDM90: Gamblers: Why don't they go after thieves?Thieves: Why don't they go after drunk drivers?Drunk drivers: Why don't they go after child molesters?
phalamir: Ahh, I see you finally passed enough courses on the 20th or 30th try to qualify as a sophmore.
JohnCarter: There is a difference between 5 friends playing cards while having a few beers and have two dozen folks playing cards at no doubt 4 to 5 different tables. This looks like a residential street (see link). No doubt neighbors called the cops due to traffic.
talkertopc: Does that mean that the home owners were making a profit in this situation? If so then I don't see a problem here. I'm ok with legal gambling but not with unlicensed and unsupervised casinos.
clyph: AverageAmericanGuy: Poker isn't really gamblingGambling != game of chance.If you're making a wager on the outcome of some event, it's gambling.If the outcome of the event is random, it's a game of chance.Sports betting is not a game of chance. It IS gambling.
JohnCarter: There is a difference between 5 friends playing cards while having a few beers and have two dozen folks playing cards at no doubt 4 to 5 different tables. This looks like a residential street (see link). No doubt neighbors called the cops due to traffic.Link Sounds like a small casino
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dready zim: LDM90: Gamblers: Why don't they go after thieves?Thieves: Why don't they go after drunk drivers?Drunk drivers: Why don't they go after child molesters?child molesters : You have a good point, why aren`t they going after us? Is it because we look after their kids and give them spiritual guidance?
BarkingUnicorn: South Carolina's law:SECTION 16-19-40. Unlawful games and betting.If any person shall play at any tavern, inn, store for the retailing of spirituous liquors or in any house used as a place of gaming, barn, kitchen, stable or other outhouse, street, highway, open wood, race field or open place at(a) any game with cards or dice,(b) any gaming table, commonly called A, B, C, or E, O, or any gaming table known or distinguished by any other letters or by any figures,(c) any roley-poley table,(d) rouge et noir,(e) any faro bank(f) any other table or bank of the same or the like kind under any denomination whatsoever or(g) any machine or device licensed pursuant to Section 12-21-2720 and used for gambling purposes, except the games of billiards, bowls, backgammon, chess, draughts, or whist when there is no betting on any such game of billiards, bowls, backgammon, chess, draughts, or whistor shall bet on the sides or hands of such as do game,upon being convicted thereof, before any magistrate, shall be imprisoned for a period of not over thirty days or fined not over one hundred dollars, and every person so keeping such tavern, inn, retail store, public place, or house used as a place for gaming or such other house shall, upon being convicted thereof, upon indictment, be imprisoned for a period not exceeding twelve months and forfeit a sum not exceeding two thousand dollars, for each and every offense.The title and a literal reading say that it's unlawful to PLAY the games named in (a) through (g) whether there's betting or not, with the exceptions named in (g) when there is no betting. Betting on a game you're not playing is also prohibited.So skip the arguments about chance vs. skill, poker v. MGT, etc.
talkertopc: I wish the article mentioned what made them decide the residence qualified as a house of gaming. Did they advertise and allow in uninvited strangers? Did they charge entry or take a commision?
phalamir: One way to look at it is thus: You can thoroughly describe the probabilities of the ball landing in any slot in roulette. And you can then look at who bets on what, and say who is most likely to win. But those percentages hold exactly the same whether the bettor is James Bond or Lottie Smith (though considering the old girl isn't obsessively betting the same number over and over while drinking a shiatty girl's martini, I would actually expect her to win more often).
stiletto_the_wise: If I read 16-19-40(a) correctly, it outlaws:Magic the Gathering (cards)Dungeons and Dragons (dice)Settlers of Catan (dice)Solitaire (cards)Monopoly (dice and cards)Uno (cards)Boggle (dice)Parcheesi (dice)South Carolina, you're officially crazy.
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