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(Reason Magazine)   Homeless in Nevada? You'll need a permit for that   (reason.com) divider line 28
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2012-11-22 12:22:34 AM
5 votes:
So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?
2012-11-22 12:31:59 AM
4 votes:
Poverty is not a crime
2012-11-22 05:17:45 AM
2 votes:

trappedspirit: If only there were a

enough shelters of some kind

/FTFY
2012-11-22 12:43:16 AM
2 votes:
Makes me wonder if the jail is run by a corporation, and the police chief wants some kick backs...

Frankly, I am not seeing any other reason to do this. What a waste of tax payer dollars. If I lived there, I would be very pissed.
2012-11-22 12:32:46 AM
2 votes:
What's so taboo about living in your car? Why is it illegal almost everywhere to sleep in it overnight?
2012-11-22 12:29:20 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.
2012-11-22 12:26:47 AM
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?


Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.
2012-11-22 12:19:25 AM
2 votes:
How very christian of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.
2012-11-22 12:16:09 AM
2 votes:
That's Nevada City, California
2012-11-22 04:53:21 AM
1 votes:
hmmm... it seems to have just quoted "war" instead of the whole comment about the war causing us not to take care of these people.

/ I really need to start hitting preview.
// We really need to start giving a crap about our fellow man.
2012-11-22 04:39:11 AM
1 votes:
When Jesus saw how your city treated its people, He camped out at the city's edge.
2012-11-22 04:15:30 AM
1 votes:
I hope that you , and some local friends as well- go to the next council meeting. I mean, if they lack compassion, they will surely understand that they will be using more money to incarcerate folks than to maybe find a more reasonable / compassionate/ logical solution.

Yeah, people around here get pretty active when bullshiat like this drops - you can at least count on most of the city residents being there.

Anyhow, the homeless around here - while a lot of them DO have quite a good helping of crazy - are pretty cool, and all the city residents know it. We hardly ever have trouble with the homeless, so most people around here will probably push hard against this. Most of the more conservative people around here live in the 'burbs/farmlands and won't really give two shiats about keeping the homeless out of the city.

Oh, our homeless guys are pretty much stereotypical gold-rush remnants, by the way, so if you're ever visiting and want to get in good with one of them, talk about gold prospecting. That's pretty much an instant buddy card.
2012-11-22 01:57:39 AM
1 votes:
I guess compassion is dead then. Good to know.

Please tell me the person who thought this up suffers from some sort of mental illness.
2012-11-22 01:29:58 AM
1 votes:
I think if I got dragged from my chosen camping spot (were I homeless at the time), I'd probably give the finger to the court and say 'thanks for three hots and a cot'. I'd certainly try to live off the land if I were in that position, having had some training, but if they want to spend money on feeding me instead of just letting me be, that's their problem. At that point all I need is a pen and some paper to keep myself entertained.
2012-11-22 01:19:01 AM
1 votes:
It's time to arm the homeless.
2012-11-22 01:17:49 AM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.

Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.


And you've captured the attitude of highly liberal Santa Barbara California perfectly.
Their policy was to bus their homeless (one way of course) to surrounding communities so their rich folks wouldn't be offended by the pan handlers.
2012-11-22 01:16:54 AM
1 votes:

jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.


The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.
2012-11-22 01:16:50 AM
1 votes:
Arrested and then what? Fine someone who has nothing to steal? Put a roof over their head and feed them in a jailhouse? If the city really wants to be rid of the homeless they're going to have to round them up for relocation/disposal. I would suggest Mexico, but it's apparently too easy to get back from there...
2012-11-22 01:09:07 AM
1 votes:
Best homeless summer I ever spent was in Crestone, Colorado. Rich New Age people, very conscious of being tolerant even though we riff-raff scared the crap out of them. Sold a lot of crappy handmade jewelry for Niemann-Marcus prices. Quickly learned I'd make more money by saying, "Oh, just pay me what you think it's worth."

I pitched a tent in the woods, ten feet beyond the town's limit. Somebody whined to the town council and they just shrugged, "Not our jurisdiction." It was only a 100 yard walk to the main street and grocery/cafe (with free WiFi).

Gets down to -24F in February, though. I moved before Thanksgiving.
2012-11-22 12:58:50 AM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

Citation, please. (BTW, you're full of shiat.)


As unemployment rises, military enlistment rises

Gang members join military to get training

Military veterans unfit for private sector jobs

Military as government welfare
2012-11-22 12:58:24 AM
1 votes:
FutureWars
What's so taboo about living in your car? Why is it illegal almost everywhere to sleep in it overnight?

It's not directed at the homeless people themselves. It's directed at working people, to attach as much terror as possible to the idea of poverty, to keep them working harder for less money under worse conditions. Homeless people are made an example of, as a warning.

Furthermore, for middle-class liberals, the existence of homeless people is the manifestation of a flaw in their supposedly perfect system which serves them so well. They want to have capitalism (because they owe their prosperity to it) while also getting to feel like it works for everyone, which is impossible. They reconcile the contradiction by either recognizing that capitalism is irrational and inhuman and become radicals, or lash out against the threat to either their sense of being a good person or their privilege by attempting to destroy the things that remind them that they can't have it both ways.
2012-11-22 12:48:56 AM
1 votes:

Yogimus: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.


This.

And he never will understand.
2012-11-22 12:32:16 AM
1 votes:

bubo_sibiricus: Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.


It will... literally.

Although, I'd love to live somewhere that they can only find 60 homeless people. That's a drop in the bucket compared to my area. They could practically elect their own homeless congressman.
2012-11-22 12:30:55 AM
1 votes:

Yogimus: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.


I didn't say anything about them not being educated or having strong beliefs.

Hell, graduates from Bob Jones University have education and strong beliefs.
2012-11-22 12:23:20 AM
1 votes:
Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.
2012-11-22 12:22:39 AM
1 votes:
The police chief is to give out about 6 to 10 permits initially, and will look to review the program in 6 months to check whether it is working. Wickham has identified at least 60 homeless people in the immediate community



They're gonna need a bigger jail.
2012-11-22 12:22:29 AM
1 votes:
What an asshole
2012-11-22 12:20:25 AM
1 votes:
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