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2012-11-22 02:55:38 AM  
Can the permit-less homeless plead insanity?
 
2012-11-22 03:05:50 AM  

Old enough to know better: Just make living below the poverty line illegal too while you're at it. Jackholes.


they take home more than most people that work a full day and don't pay taxes, except on the tobacco and booze they buy.
 
2012-11-22 03:07:39 AM  
it seems like there is big difference in what the definition of homeless is in this thread?
 
2012-11-22 03:15:32 AM  
This will be struck down in court. Bet on it. If you want an example, have a look at Los Angeles. Here in Venice Beach, we have a serious homeless problem, though our homeless are of the vagrant variety and actively choose to live on the street, not the "down on their luck" types found elsewhere in the city.
 
2012-11-22 03:26:34 AM  

cyberworm: This will be struck down in court. Bet on it. If you want an example, have a look at Los Angeles. Here in Venice Beach, we have a serious homeless problem, though our homeless are of the vagrant variety and actively choose to live on the street, not the "down on their luck" types found elsewhere in the city.


same here in asheville, nc
 
2012-11-22 03:53:11 AM  
Republicans are funny.
 
2012-11-22 03:54:23 AM  
I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.
 
2012-11-22 04:03:32 AM  

boozel: I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.


I hope that you , and some local friends as well- go to the next council meeting. I mean, if they lack compassion, they will surely understand that they will be using more money to incarcerate folks than to maybe find a more reasonable / compassionate/ logical solution.
 
2012-11-22 04:04:07 AM  

Trance354: what's funny up here in CO, is that if a homeless person is found in some of the suburbs of denver, they are put into a patrol car and dropped at the city limits. Inside the limits, which makes them Denver's problem, not the problem of the cop who dropped them off.


Living in San Francisco I'm getting a kick out of that, not.
 
2012-11-22 04:10:22 AM  

Revek: Republicans are funny.


Where did you get this information? I can't find the council's affiliation anywhere.
 
2012-11-22 04:11:41 AM  

Yogimus: Revek: Republicans are funny.

Where did you get this information? I can't find the council's affiliation anywhere.


Are you a betting shrub?
 
2012-11-22 04:15:30 AM  
I hope that you , and some local friends as well- go to the next council meeting. I mean, if they lack compassion, they will surely understand that they will be using more money to incarcerate folks than to maybe find a more reasonable / compassionate/ logical solution.

Yeah, people around here get pretty active when bullshiat like this drops - you can at least count on most of the city residents being there.

Anyhow, the homeless around here - while a lot of them DO have quite a good helping of crazy - are pretty cool, and all the city residents know it. We hardly ever have trouble with the homeless, so most people around here will probably push hard against this. Most of the more conservative people around here live in the 'burbs/farmlands and won't really give two shiats about keeping the homeless out of the city.

Oh, our homeless guys are pretty much stereotypical gold-rush remnants, by the way, so if you're ever visiting and want to get in good with one of them, talk about gold prospecting. That's pretty much an instant buddy card.
 
2012-11-22 04:31:14 AM  
Anyone notice the homeless guy image's name/title tag is "Holla"?
 
2012-11-22 04:39:11 AM  
When Jesus saw how your city treated its people, He camped out at the city's edge.
 
2012-11-22 04:51:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: war


Thats cute. You think the amount of money we HAVE in some way effects the amount of money we SPEND.

There is no other word but cute.
 
2012-11-22 04:53:21 AM  
hmmm... it seems to have just quoted "war" instead of the whole comment about the war causing us not to take care of these people.

/ I really need to start hitting preview.
// We really need to start giving a crap about our fellow man.
 
2012-11-22 04:56:04 AM  

I sound fat: We really need to start giving a crap about our fellow man.


Indeed
 
2012-11-22 05:16:29 AM  
I have no problem with this if there are effective publicly funded alternatives, such as clean, safe, and reasonably located shelters or programs which give out free or extremely subsidized housing to those who need it. Likewise, I have no problem with anti-panhandling laws as long as there are viable government-sponsored alternatives.

This is a fair trade off that serves the needs of society, and is how most civilized countries do it.
 
2012-11-22 06:44:00 AM  
I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it
 
2012-11-22 06:47:48 AM  

Revek: Yogimus: Revek: Republicans are funny.

Where did you get this information? I can't find the council's affiliation anywhere.

Are you a betting shrub?


I was going to get all snarky so I started to do a bit of research, but damn if i'm not genuinely interested now.
 
2012-11-22 06:54:59 AM  

natas6.0: I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it


I will give you a 2/10- I did sense some effort in that.
 
2012-11-22 06:56:13 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Mixolydian Master: [img696.imageshack.us image 584x329]

Moron. This is happening in a liberal controlled state under an ultra-liberal governor.


The libbyest libs that ever libbed?
 
2012-11-22 07:00:39 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?


It's not hatred for the 'troops'. It's hatred for our pampered, wealthy 'leaders' who create and profit from the wars where the troops die for them.
 
2012-11-22 07:04:31 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: That's Nevada City, California


yup, I have to look up a Nevada City...

to be fair, they do have a quaint little place

 
2012-11-22 07:14:58 AM  

Yogimus: most are college graduates


Before you make claims like that, you might want to note that only about 30% of all US residents are college graduates.
 
2012-11-22 07:16:06 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: natas6.0: I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it

wow, are you clueless.

I have been on the street. Yes there are programs. No there are not enough of them. No it is not possible to live on the street and find work... you need at least access to a shower. Addiction is no joke... some drugs are harder than others to quit - actual physical risks to quitting (like death).


Don't cry to me about how hard you made your life.
 
2012-11-22 07:21:58 AM  

Yogimus: who believe in something more than you could ever understand.


I seriously doubt that you mean "believe ... more". Many people believe very strongly in a whole variety of things. For example, I believe it's unjust to submit our military personnel to a separate set of laws in direct contravention of their constitutional and human rights by making them slaves (i.e. unable to quit their jobs). I believe that our troops are largely willing to provide service to their country without the threat of legal penalty, and that those who are not should not be allowed to serve (and therefore not subject to military rules). But clearly that's not the viewpoint of the majority of US citizens, or even of military personnel; however, a lack of popularity does not mean my beliefs are less strongly held than those of others.

Alternatively, suicide bombers clearly have strong beliefs, but I don't think most military personnel would take kindly to a comparison to terrorists. Hence "believe ... more" is probably not a good metric by which to judge someone's fitness as a human/citizen/solider/etc. and therefore probably does not support the point you are trying to make.
 
2012-11-22 08:19:14 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


Oooh, oooh, that's a THIN line to walk...
 
2012-11-22 08:20:01 AM  
Isn't peonage illegal in this country?
 
2012-11-22 08:21:00 AM  

profplump: For example, I believe it's unjust to submit our military personnel to a separate set of laws in direct contravention of their constitutional and human rights by making them slaves (i.e. unable to quit their jobs).


Why do you hate the freedom to enter into contracts? Nothing would get done without contracts.
 
2012-11-22 09:41:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: trappedspirit: If only there were a shelter of some kind

Nevada City isn't the greatest town in the whole world; it's a piss-poor little armpit of a town (at least the only time I was there). They don't have a whole lot of money and you could probably fit their entire city revenue in a thimble and still have room to piss. Not that that makes this regulation any better, but I daresay they don't have lots of free cash to spend on a homeless shelter. If there are 60 homeless people in town, that's probably a good 10% of the local population.


Population of 600?
 
2012-11-22 09:43:40 AM  
Wow, someone got it in one. Nevada City California is about an hour and half north east of Sacramento. I lived there, and GrassValley.

TBH, its hard to even know who is a bum. Everyone there looks like a godd**n freaking homeless person...

Its a Sh*thole town. It has a population of 3,000 people and 4 bars that open at 5-7am.... Oh, and its run by meth dealing bikers... What do you expect norcal? If anyone watching Sons Of Anarchy, this is as close as you'll realistically get to the city of "Charming".

Oh btw. F**k Nevada City to DEATH.
 
2012-11-22 09:50:40 AM  

trappedspirit: Gyrfalcon: trappedspirit: If only there were a shelter of some kind

Nevada City isn't the greatest town in the whole world; it's a piss-poor little armpit of a town (at least the only time I was there). They don't have a whole lot of money and you could probably fit their entire city revenue in a thimble and still have room to piss. Not that that makes this regulation any better, but I daresay they don't have lots of free cash to spend on a homeless shelter. If there are 60 homeless people in town, that's probably a good 10% of the local population.

Population of 600?


Its around 3,000. But the area is spread out. No joke, they smoke pot in the bars there (in the "GARDEN" area). And its well known that at the top of the hill where the public restrooms are (yes, there is ONE) bums and vagrants hang out and do every drug imaginable, whilst just around the corner, teenagers slam cans of natty light behind the bushes.

One of the ever so reputable establishments is called, I shiat you not, "The Mine Shaft"... The bartender is either always hammered, or has drank so much in his life that he has no idea where he is or what he's doing. Its a pretty common theme in the area. Bartenders are always hammered drunk. At a bar just "down the hill" (3 miles) theres a place called the Nevada Club which is literally run by bikers.

If you're a clamper (E. Clampus Victus... They sponsor the highway in fact) and you earned your cut/patch and are of origin of an original clamper, you drink free.

Hooray free drinking drunk biker meth head gun runners!

Seriously, in Nevada City, there was a restaurant I used to eat at called Amigos. They had a full bar upstairs but only opened the bottom part of the restaurant. I asked once, why the bar wasn't open. The response was that when they were raided by the ATF, after a guy killed someone's whole family as a case of mistaken identity, they found guns and cocaine in the walls upstairs...

Hooray small town north California.
 
2012-11-22 09:50:43 AM  

natas6.0: I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it


The problem is that here in the South, social programs are a joke. After moving back to Virginia and seeking assistance for managing medical problems I have, I basically got told that unless I'm homeless (I live with my parents) and/or make less than $5000/year (was working part-time at the time in area where even the cheapest rent costs more than that in a year), I was straight out of luck.
 
2012-11-22 09:59:42 AM  

boozel: I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.


I call bullshiat. Thats like comparing anal rape to a prolapsed rectum. Nevada City could fall off the map with the rest of California for all I care. You've either not lived there long enough to realize how horrible it is, or you've lived there so long, you've forgotten. I pray to every God whose name I know, I never have to move back to that shiathole.

I lived in Cascade Shores, Alta Sierra, and Bitney Springs, fyi. So I got the full gambit...
 
2012-11-22 10:15:35 AM  
BarkingUnicorn
I assume you're a gentle, compassionate spirit who would not harm a fly. When you shoo a fly out of your home, do you concern yourself with where it will go?

DIAF
 
2012-11-22 10:16:54 AM  
www.global-air.com

Most of the celebrities on the list were homeless before becoming rich and famous. But some lost everything and wound-up that way. (new window)
 
2012-11-22 10:20:51 AM  

Gwyrddu: AverageAmericanGuy:
Military veterans unfit for private sector jobs


That's not what the article you linked to actually says if you bother to read it. It actually says that employers tend to discount military experience in favor of someone with a college degree.

The truth is that in most fields you could have been doing an equivalent or more demanding version of the same job you are applying for in the civilian world, but if you don't have civilian credentials you can forget about getting the job. Many employers really don't understand the military and ignore veterans experience even when they are overqualified for the jobs they are applying for.


The American Legion is promoting programs that address this shortfall. What they have in mind is a type of certification system that recognizes and qualifies the service member's training and experience, giving it a comparable status with civilian credentials. The key is giving legitimacy to the service member's experience, while making it understandable to civilian employers.

Kind of like a diploma from the School of Hard Knocks.
 
2012-11-22 10:26:29 AM  

Lucidz: gambit...


gamut.
 
2012-11-22 10:32:30 AM  

untaken_name: Lucidz: gambit...

gamut.


I can has fail? :(
 
2012-11-22 10:37:55 AM  
Replace Chief Wiggum's police station with a new homeless shelter funded by the police budget. Let the guy run his office in the park.


i262.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-22 10:42:00 AM  

Lucidz: untaken_name: Lucidz: gambit...

gamut.

I can has fail? :(


It's ok, I was just letting you know, I often get called names when I explain corrections, so I thought I'd go minimalist this time...but I didn't intend anything negative towards you, neither of those are terribly common words.
 
2012-11-22 10:43:31 AM  

Trance354: what's funny up here in CO, is that if a homeless person is found in some of the suburbs of denver, they are put into a patrol car and dropped at the city limits. Inside the limits, which makes them Denver's problem, not the problem of the cop who dropped them off.
/it's not really funny, no


Our cops used to put them on a bus to Idaho Falls. Couldn't have any homeless people marring our pretty little tourist town. Plus, it was in another state.
 
2012-11-22 10:49:01 AM  

untaken_name: Lucidz: untaken_name: Lucidz: gambit...

gamut.

I can has fail? :(

It's ok, I was just letting you know, I often get called names when I explain corrections, so I thought I'd go minimalist this time...but I didn't intend anything negative towards you, neither of those are terribly common words.


No prob mate. I go all grammar nazi on people myself. In my defense, I've been up since 5 am, and I may or may not have already started drinking. ( :D )

Sorry, first time on the other side of the continent from my family, and no obligations. Here's to you Modern Warfare 2!
 
2012-11-22 10:55:09 AM  

boozel: I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.


Could be worse

/Could be Georgetown :)
 
2012-11-22 11:01:19 AM  

cyberworm: This will be struck down in court. Bet on it. If you want an example, have a look at Los Angeles. Here in Venice Beach, we have a serious homeless problem, though our homeless are of the vagrant variety and actively choose to live on the street, not the "down on their luck" types found elsewhere in the city.


Why would a no-camping law be struck down?

Vagrancy laws have been struck down because they were too vague; a reasonable citizen could not tell what conduct was prohibited.
 
2012-11-22 11:33:49 AM  

RanDomino: Stay for the video of the crazy lady, who has a care and a house, screaming at homeless people a couple of days ago in Madison.


DUI, obstructing a traffic-way, disorderly conduct, making terroristic threats...I bet the cops let her go.
 
2012-11-22 11:38:57 AM  
really? This is cruel and unusual. They are kicking people while they are down. You cannot criminalize being down on your luck, I hope this police chief winds up unemployed and homeless so he falls victim to his own cruel idiocy.
 
2012-11-22 11:47:43 AM  

Maul555: really? This is cruel and unusual. They are kicking people while they are down. You cannot criminalize being down on your luck, I hope this police chief winds up unemployed and homeless so he falls victim to his own cruel idiocy.


The no-camping law he's proposing applies equally to rich and poor.
 
2012-11-22 11:56:25 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Maul555: really? This is cruel and unusual. They are kicking people while they are down. You cannot criminalize being down on your luck, I hope this police chief winds up unemployed and homeless so he falls victim to his own cruel idiocy.

The no-camping law he's proposing applies equally to rich and poor.


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