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2012-11-22 01:09:07 AM
Best homeless summer I ever spent was in Crestone, Colorado. Rich New Age people, very conscious of being tolerant even though we riff-raff scared the crap out of them. Sold a lot of crappy handmade jewelry for Niemann-Marcus prices. Quickly learned I'd make more money by saying, "Oh, just pay me what you think it's worth."

I pitched a tent in the woods, ten feet beyond the town's limit. Somebody whined to the town council and they just shrugged, "Not our jurisdiction." It was only a 100 yard walk to the main street and grocery/cafe (with free WiFi).

Gets down to -24F in February, though. I moved before Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-22 01:09:51 AM

ProfessorOhki: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

Ooh ooh, what about military contractors who are ostensibly "private-sector" but function as giant military money sinks. Like or hate? Making it in the private sector or dumbfarks?

/Step 1, fan flames
//Step 2, run


Definitely wasteful spending, to say the least.
 
2012-11-22 01:10:53 AM

KrispyKritter: this is the down side of not having the benefits of religion in your life. many people learn of charity, kindness, benevolence and the importance of doing good acts in a house of worship. the increase of godless heathens in positions of power (political office, law enforcement) is giving rise to absolute evil being in control. feed a homeless person in the right park in FLA? that's an arrestin'. you're a homeless fellow in the right town in CA with no where to go? that's an arrestin'.

people that cannot handle what little power their position gives them need to quickly be removed from that job. meanwhile you haters keep on pissing on the bible and enjoy as America turns into a land of soulless suffering for those not blessed as you.


1/10
 
2012-11-22 01:11:58 AM
I saw Homeless in Nevada. It was mostly filmed in Nevada City.
 
2012-11-22 01:12:41 AM

gilatrout: Poverty is not a crime


Move along citizen, move along.
 
2012-11-22 01:13:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy:
Military veterans unfit for private sector jobs


That's not what the article you linked to actually says if you bother to read it. It actually says that employers tend to discount military experience in favor of someone with a college degree.

The truth is that in most fields you could have been doing an equivalent or more demanding version of the same job you are applying for in the civilian world, but if you don't have civilian credentials you can forget about getting the job. Many employers really don't understand the military and ignore veterans experience even when they are overqualified for the jobs they are applying for.
 
2012-11-22 01:13:41 AM
Rumplebluntskin
i needed resolution! did the cops come or what?

I don't know. I don't think so. It usually doesn't get to that point.

However they did come and haul the camp waaay outside of town, to a site with no water or nearby bus route. Not a peep from the Madison liberals. Of course, they abandoned Occupy Madison once they realized it wasn't just a hip fad for them to hang out and protest and look for themselves in the crowd pictures in the papers, but that there were going to be actual poor people in close proximity. Unlike a lot of Occupys, Madison's refused to drive off the 'undesirable elements' because, duh, they're the one's most obviously getting their asses kicked by the economy and the system. So the liberals left.

Liberals are the worst people
 
2012-11-22 01:14:09 AM

Mixolydian Master: [img696.imageshack.us image 584x329]


Moron. This is happening in a liberal controlled state under an ultra-liberal governor.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:06 AM
I see no problem as long as there is a process in place, once the homeless are arrested and rounded up into a central holding area, a process which can efficiently export the meat and other nutrients and resources which harvesting these undesirables will yield.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


Wow, what an asshole.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:50 AM
asheville, nc needs this in the summer months of the year.
 
2012-11-22 01:16:50 AM
Arrested and then what? Fine someone who has nothing to steal? Put a roof over their head and feed them in a jailhouse? If the city really wants to be rid of the homeless they're going to have to round them up for relocation/disposal. I would suggest Mexico, but it's apparently too easy to get back from there...
 
2012-11-22 01:16:54 AM

jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.


The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.
 
2012-11-22 01:16:54 AM
I have no problem with this. Don't leave milk out for stray cats. Don't feed the trolls. Don't give homeless free shait. If you do its just like feeding stray cats. They multiply and make it worse for everyone involved. You want to be homeless, fine have fun chewing on pine cones buddy, cause in my city, food ain't free.

/Man I wish I really had a city right now.....
 
2012-11-22 01:17:49 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.

Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.


And you've captured the attitude of highly liberal Santa Barbara California perfectly.
Their policy was to bus their homeless (one way of course) to surrounding communities so their rich folks wouldn't be offended by the pan handlers.
 
2012-11-22 01:18:50 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yogimus: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy:

I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.

This.

And he never will understand.


I'm well aware of the graduation requirements for our troops, but joining up is quite often simply a financial decision. Yes, a lot of people do it out of noble reasons, but there's a reason that we encourage people who don't want to go to college to join the military. It's a good career decision.

/There isn't anything wrong with that, either; it's just ridiculous to say everyone who joins is joining for noble reasons.
//I mean, really, if my kid joined the military because it's a good-paying job, I'd say good for them. Nothing wrong with doing things for money, just don't do it to hurt people and\or fark up royally while working.
 
2012-11-22 01:19:00 AM

KrispyKritter: this is the down side of not having the benefits of religion in your life. many people learn of charity, kindness, benevolence and the importance of doing good acts in a house of worship. the increase of godless heathens in positions of power (political office, law enforcement) is giving rise to absolute evil being in control. feed a homeless person in the right park in FLA? that's an arrestin'. you're a homeless fellow in the right town in CA with no where to go? that's an arrestin'.

people that cannot handle what little power their position gives them need to quickly be removed from that job. meanwhile you haters keep on pissing on the bible and enjoy as America turns into a land of soulless suffering for those not blessed as you.


You sound like you need a cigarette.
 
2012-11-22 01:19:01 AM
It's time to arm the homeless.
 
2012-11-22 01:21:02 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: GAT_00: If we hadn't had the war, Republicans would have insisted on more tax cuts to fix everything.

That's a pretty defeatist attitude.


/FTFY
//Same difference, nevermind
 
2012-11-22 01:21:48 AM

Coelacanth: It's time to arm the homeless.


many, not most, are already double fisting their daily take somewhere.
 
2012-11-22 01:23:54 AM

Hector Remarkable: I see no problem as long as there is a process in place, once the homeless are arrested and rounded up into a central holding area, a process which can efficiently export the meat and other nutrients and resources which harvesting these undesirables will yield.


Without disturbing the ecosystem, of course.
 
2012-11-22 01:25:03 AM

ProfessorOhki: jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.

The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.


I'm not commenting on whether or not its a good idea -- just that if ones goal was to "clean" the streets, this would be one way to accomplish it: by either moving the homeless along or warehousing them.
 
2012-11-22 01:25:58 AM
I read that headline in Jay-Z's Voice.
 
2012-11-22 01:26:05 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: ProfessorOhki: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

Ooh ooh, what about military contractors who are ostensibly "private-sector" but function as giant military money sinks. Like or hate? Making it in the private sector or dumbfarks?

/Step 1, fan flames
//Step 2, run

Definitely wasteful spending, to say the least.


Is it wasteful spending if I'm a military contractor who's sole purpose is to ensure the safety and health of DoD employees? I mean I'm saving the government money by helping them avoid workplace injuries, which cost far more than my salary.
 
2012-11-22 01:27:39 AM

ProfessorOhki: jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.

The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.


People, the local police chief is not going to arrest somebody just for being homeless. He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will. Arresting is for the ones who are a danger to themselves or others, or who keep returning.
 
2012-11-22 01:27:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Hector Remarkable: I see no problem as long as there is a process in place, once the homeless are arrested and rounded up into a central holding area, a process which can efficiently export the meat and other nutrients and resources which harvesting these undesirables will yield.

Without disturbing the ecosystem, of course.


Yes, of course. The solutions are there. The homeless have been proven to increase yields in areas where they've been planted, but more research and funding is needed.
 
2012-11-22 01:28:37 AM

Confusean: I have no problem with this. Don't leave milk out for stray cats. Don't feed the trolls. Don't give homeless free shait. If you do its just like feeding stray cats. They multiply and make it worse for everyone involved. You want to be homeless, fine have fun chewing on pine cones buddy, cause in my city, food ain't free.


done in 37 or whatever
 
2012-11-22 01:28:44 AM
fairly warm here in the days, 50-60. they are still around. soon to in the 20's for lows, they will be gone til march.

i see these women and men, with their dogs, on a multi-daily basis. i can see them at walgreens in the AM, and at the grocery store at 9PM. offer to buy the dog some food they get pissed off.

it is a daily process.
 
2012-11-22 01:29:58 AM
I think if I got dragged from my chosen camping spot (were I homeless at the time), I'd probably give the finger to the court and say 'thanks for three hots and a cot'. I'd certainly try to live off the land if I were in that position, having had some training, but if they want to spend money on feeding me instead of just letting me be, that's their problem. At that point all I need is a pen and some paper to keep myself entertained.
 
2012-11-22 01:32:19 AM
I hadn't seen a homeless guy in my town for many years...saw one yesterday.

It's like lately, there are more stores closing down. Like a recession or something...
 
2012-11-22 01:34:57 AM
I do not think the chief thought out his cunning plan very well.
 
2012-11-22 01:35:02 AM

Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?


Yeah, not sure they've thought their cunning plan all the way through.


Rumplebluntskin: RanDomino: Stay for the video of the crazy lady, who has a care and a house, screaming at homeless people a couple of days ago in Madison.

i needed resolution! did the cops come or what?


They fix the cable.
 
2012-11-22 01:35:52 AM
BarkingUnicorn
He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will

OK so problem solved them?
 
2012-11-22 01:37:08 AM
RanDomino: Stay for the video of the crazy lady, who has a care and a house

wow, really? *car* and a house
 
2012-11-22 01:38:33 AM
Form 118-17-C (revision 3 - To be filled out in triplicate unless not applying)
Application for Permit to Recieve Homelessness Permit Application

*This form is invalid if not filled out completely*

NAME_________________________ SSN___-_-__
PERMANENT ADDRESS TO MAIL PERMIT TO (No PO Boxes)
_________________________________________
_________________________________________
CITY____________________STATE___ZIP______
 
2012-11-22 01:42:04 AM
i know there are a ton of homeless that are just striving to make it back in to a regular society. the rest just beg and beg to get a fix of drugs and booze for the night til they get up the next day.

the later is what i deal with daily. offer to buy some dog food or a whopper and the get defensive.
 
2012-11-22 01:48:04 AM

Smingleigh: Form 118-17-C (revision 3 - To be filled out in triplicate unless not applying)
Application for Permit to Recieve Homelessness Permit Application

*This form is invalid if not filled out completely*

NAME_________________________ SSN___-_-__
PERMANENT ADDRESS TO MAIL PERMIT TO (No PO Boxes)
_________________________________________
_________________________________________
CITY____________________STATE___ZIP______


really, is that form that compicated?
 
2012-11-22 01:50:11 AM
what's funny up here in CO, is that if a homeless person is found in some of the suburbs of denver, they are put into a patrol car and dropped at the city limits. Inside the limits, which makes them Denver's problem, not the problem of the cop who dropped them off.

/it's not really funny, no
 
2012-11-22 01:50:44 AM
So they're planning on imprisoning people because they don't have money?

Seems a bit...uncool.
 
2012-11-22 01:51:31 AM
So, let me get this straight... we'll now be able to arrest these people, temporarily alleviating their homeless conditions, which will give them cause to sue for enough money to permanently alleviate their homeless conditions. Problem solved, right?
 
2012-11-22 01:53:09 AM
This is an outrage! it is completely unfair.

kinda like blaming the state of Nevada for something a town in California did.
 
2012-11-22 01:55:38 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: compicated?


compLicated?

rainbow festival people, drunks and druggies isn't the same as homeless.
 
2012-11-22 01:57:39 AM
I guess compassion is dead then. Good to know.

Please tell me the person who thought this up suffers from some sort of mental illness.
 
2012-11-22 01:58:31 AM

RanDomino: BarkingUnicorn
He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will

OK so problem solved them?


I assume you're a gentle, compassionate spirit who would not harm a fly. When you shoo a fly out of your home, do you concern yourself with where it will go?
 
2012-11-22 01:59:19 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ProfessorOhki: jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.

The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.

People, the local police chief is not going to arrest somebody just for being homeless. He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will. Arresting is for the ones who are a danger to themselves or others, or who keep returning.


Sure. What happens when every community adopts a similar law? Even if that's not a plausible scenario, it's crappy policy. Playing hot potato just doesn't work well in the big picture, it doesn't work well for raising test scores, it didn't work well for banking, and it's not gonna work well for this.

/Homeless potato?
 
2012-11-22 02:06:55 AM

ProfessorOhki:

Sure. What happens when every community adopts a similar law? Even if that's not a plausible scenario, it's crappy policy.


The homeless will migrate to unincorporated areas, build their own communities, and cast out the people they don't like.
 
2012-11-22 02:16:03 AM
Just make living below the poverty line illegal too while you're at it. Jackholes.
 
2012-11-22 02:16:56 AM

Fista-Phobia: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]

What?


They wrote the first ticket. Not me.
 
2012-11-22 02:27:15 AM

ArmednHammered: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.

Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.

And you've captured the attitude of highly liberal Santa Barbara California perfectly.
Their policy was to bus their homeless (one way of course) to surrounding communities so their rich folks wouldn't be offended by the pan handlers.


LOL! Yes, the Libs are generally total hypocrites. About 8 months ago I actually got a temp gig in Cerritos. Was supposed to be for 3 days and I ended up doing 4 weeks. I would drive to the warehouse in the morning, change into the monkey suit, then drive to Cerritos. Then in the evening drive back to Tustin/Santa Ana area.

Problem: while I was there for 8 hours each day the wife was stuck in the camper shell, or in the cab of the truck, and it was farking HOT most of the time. But we found a lovely area to park, beneath some huge trees in the parking lot at the Cerritos Center for the Performing Arts - the same place I had made a donation of $100 to about 12 years ago when I was making $80,000 a year. (The donation was to help upgrade the parking lot.)

Well, the nice Liberal (this fine tax-supported public institution regularly has fund raisers for the liberal cause of the day) old ladies there took exception to my nasty truck and camper shell parked in their totally farking empty parking lot and called the Cerritos Sheriff Dept to tell me to move. TWELVE cops in six cars showed up. We ended up in the Ebil Fascist Walmart parking lot across the street, and Walmart management didn't care that the truck was parked there all day. The manager, in fact, told me one day that it was OK with him to park overnight - just don't make trouble and noise.

My contempt for most examples of the modern liberal - especially still-wet-behind-the-ears kids in their mom's basement who have read a couple of books and think they know it all - is just behind my contempt for the modern conservative and knows no bounds.
 
2012-11-22 02:44:33 AM

sethen320: I guess compassion is dead then. Good to know.

Please tell me the person who thought this up suffers from some sort of mental illness.


I think that is a given- from the salaries page of the place Police Chief $48,000 annually (Contracted position)
 
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