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2012-11-22 12:16:09 AM
That's Nevada City, California
 
2012-11-22 12:19:14 AM
But I have a permit for not having a permit.
 
2012-11-22 12:19:25 AM
How very christian of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.
 
2012-11-22 12:19:34 AM
bout time someone thought of this.
 
2012-11-22 12:19:59 AM

Lionel Mandrake: That's Nevada City, California


What he said.
 
2012-11-22 12:20:25 AM
img696.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-22 12:22:29 AM
What an asshole
 
2012-11-22 12:22:34 AM
So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?
 
2012-11-22 12:22:39 AM
The police chief is to give out about 6 to 10 permits initially, and will look to review the program in 6 months to check whether it is working. Wickham has identified at least 60 homeless people in the immediate community



They're gonna need a bigger jail.
 
2012-11-22 12:23:20 AM
Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.
 
2012-11-22 12:24:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.


Why do you hate our troops?
 
2012-11-22 12:26:46 AM
If only there were a shelter of some kind
 
2012-11-22 12:26:47 AM

Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?


Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.
 
2012-11-22 12:27:52 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.


Also, more people coming home injured means more people relying on social programs. No one comes out ahead.
 
2012-11-22 12:28:30 AM
bubo_sibiricus
How very christian of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.


supply-side-jesus.jpg
 
2012-11-22 12:28:46 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com

What?
 
2012-11-22 12:29:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.
 
2012-11-22 12:29:28 AM

trappedspirit: If only there were a shelter of some kind


Nevada City isn't the greatest town in the whole world; it's a piss-poor little armpit of a town (at least the only time I was there). They don't have a whole lot of money and you could probably fit their entire city revenue in a thimble and still have room to piss. Not that that makes this regulation any better, but I daresay they don't have lots of free cash to spend on a homeless shelter. If there are 60 homeless people in town, that's probably a good 10% of the local population.
 
2012-11-22 12:30:31 AM

Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?


Also, the person you quoted is an idiot. If we hadn't had the war, Republicans would have insisted on more tax cuts to fix everything.
 
2012-11-22 12:30:55 AM

Yogimus: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.


I didn't say anything about them not being educated or having strong beliefs.

Hell, graduates from Bob Jones University have education and strong beliefs.
 
2012-11-22 12:31:59 AM
Poverty is not a crime
 
2012-11-22 12:32:00 AM
I guess you can't be a prospector in Nevada anymore.

/We don't need no stinkin' badges.
 
2012-11-22 12:32:16 AM

bubo_sibiricus: Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.


It will... literally.

Although, I'd love to live somewhere that they can only find 60 homeless people. That's a drop in the bucket compared to my area. They could practically elect their own homeless congressman.
 
2012-11-22 12:32:46 AM
What's so taboo about living in your car? Why is it illegal almost everywhere to sleep in it overnight?
 
2012-11-22 12:34:20 AM
FTA: Any homeless person found sleeping in public without a permit will be arrested.


Genuise at work.
 
2012-11-22 12:34:46 AM

Lionel Mandrake: That's Nevada City, California


I see this has been addressed.
 
2012-11-22 12:36:05 AM

GAT_00: If we hadn't had the war, Republicans would have insisted on more tax cuts to fix everything.


That's a pretty defeatist attitude.
 
2012-11-22 12:36:32 AM
And have them clogging up the jail system. Brilliant!
 
2012-11-22 12:37:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: GAT_00: If we hadn't had the war, Republicans would have insisted on more tax cuts to fix everything.

That's a pretty defeatist attitude.


Nah, defeatist would be assuming they'd actually manage to pass them. Assuming they'd ask for them is based on years of precedent.
 
2012-11-22 12:39:48 AM

Gyrfalcon: trappedspirit: If only there were a shelter of some kind

Nevada City isn't the greatest town in the whole world; it's a piss-poor little armpit of a town (at least the only time I was there). They don't have a whole lot of money and you could probably fit their entire city revenue in a thimble and still have room to piss. Not that that makes this regulation any better, but I daresay they don't have lots of free cash to spend on a homeless shelter. If there are 60 homeless people in town, that's probably a good 10% of the local population.


When were you there last?

/there's 3-4,000 people in that city
 
2012-11-22 12:39:57 AM
 
2012-11-22 12:41:24 AM
And the meek shall inherit the nevermind
 
2012-11-22 12:43:16 AM
Makes me wonder if the jail is run by a corporation, and the police chief wants some kick backs...

Frankly, I am not seeing any other reason to do this. What a waste of tax payer dollars. If I lived there, I would be very pissed.
 
2012-11-22 12:45:00 AM

cyks: FTA: Any homeless person found sleeping in public without a permit will be arrested.


Genuise

at work.

*mustnotgrammarnazimustnotgrammarnazimustnotgrammarnazi*
 
2012-11-22 12:45:53 AM

bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.


Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.
 
2012-11-22 12:45:56 AM

Gyrfalcon: trappedspirit: If only there were a shelter of some kind

Nevada City isn't the greatest town in the whole world; it's a piss-poor little armpit of a town (at least the only time I was there). They don't have a whole lot of money and you could probably fit their entire city revenue in a thimble and still have room to piss. Not that that makes this regulation any better, but I daresay they don't have lots of free cash to spend on a homeless shelter. If there are 60 homeless people in town, that's probably a good 10% of the local population.


Actually, Nevada City looks pretty nice to me.
 
2012-11-22 12:47:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


Citation, please. (BTW, you're full of shiat.)
 
2012-11-22 12:48:56 AM

Yogimus: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.


This.

And he never will understand.
 
2012-11-22 12:51:32 AM

BummerDuck: Makes me wonder if the jail is run by a corporation, and the police chief wants some kick backs...

Frankly, I am not seeing any other reason to do this. What a waste of tax payer dollars. If I lived there, I would be very pissed.


Town's economy is based on tourism and video productions. Image is important.

I'm wondering how they decide who gets the limited number of permits.
 
2012-11-22 12:52:50 AM

RanDomino: Stay for the video of the crazy lady, who has a care and a house, screaming at homeless people a couple of days ago in Madison.


i needed resolution! did the cops come or what?
 
2012-11-22 12:54:44 AM
Happy Thanksgiving assholes.
 
2012-11-22 12:57:56 AM
this is the down side of not having the benefits of religion in your life. many people learn of charity, kindness, benevolence and the importance of doing good acts in a house of worship. the increase of godless heathens in positions of power (political office, law enforcement) is giving rise to absolute evil being in control. feed a homeless person in the right park in FLA? that's an arrestin'. you're a homeless fellow in the right town in CA with no where to go? that's an arrestin'.

people that cannot handle what little power their position gives them need to quickly be removed from that job. meanwhile you haters keep on pissing on the bible and enjoy as America turns into a land of soulless suffering for those not blessed as you.
 
2012-11-22 12:57:57 AM
Subby fail: Nevada City is not Nevada State. Even if it were in Nevada like California City is in California, it would still be just a city.
 
2012-11-22 12:58:24 AM
FutureWars
What's so taboo about living in your car? Why is it illegal almost everywhere to sleep in it overnight?

It's not directed at the homeless people themselves. It's directed at working people, to attach as much terror as possible to the idea of poverty, to keep them working harder for less money under worse conditions. Homeless people are made an example of, as a warning.

Furthermore, for middle-class liberals, the existence of homeless people is the manifestation of a flaw in their supposedly perfect system which serves them so well. They want to have capitalism (because they owe their prosperity to it) while also getting to feel like it works for everyone, which is impossible. They reconcile the contradiction by either recognizing that capitalism is irrational and inhuman and become radicals, or lash out against the threat to either their sense of being a good person or their privilege by attempting to destroy the things that remind them that they can't have it both ways.
 
2012-11-22 12:58:50 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

Citation, please. (BTW, you're full of shiat.)


As unemployment rises, military enlistment rises

Gang members join military to get training

Military veterans unfit for private sector jobs

Military as government welfare
 
2012-11-22 01:00:15 AM

Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?


Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.
 
2012-11-22 01:02:18 AM

RanDomino: Furthermore, for middle-class liberals, the existence of homeless people is the manifestation of a flaw in their supposedly perfect system which serves them so well. They want to have capitalism (because they owe their prosperity to it) while also getting to feel like it works for everyone, which is impossible. They reconcile the contradiction by either recognizing that capitalism is irrational and inhuman and become radicals, or lash out against the threat to either their sense of being a good person or their privilege by attempting to destroy the things that remind them that they can't have it both ways.


Is it strange that i read this in this guy's voice:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-22 01:06:11 AM
Well now that's all I can see!

/Will somebody get rid of demented Santa?!
//that was probably obscure
 
2012-11-22 01:06:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


Ooh ooh, what about military contractors who are ostensibly "private-sector" but function as giant military money sinks. Like or hate? Making it in the private sector or dumbfarks?

/Step 1, fan flames
//Step 2, run
 
2012-11-22 01:07:57 AM
As a traveling contractor who is basically homeless in Nevada, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-11-22 01:09:07 AM
Best homeless summer I ever spent was in Crestone, Colorado. Rich New Age people, very conscious of being tolerant even though we riff-raff scared the crap out of them. Sold a lot of crappy handmade jewelry for Niemann-Marcus prices. Quickly learned I'd make more money by saying, "Oh, just pay me what you think it's worth."

I pitched a tent in the woods, ten feet beyond the town's limit. Somebody whined to the town council and they just shrugged, "Not our jurisdiction." It was only a 100 yard walk to the main street and grocery/cafe (with free WiFi).

Gets down to -24F in February, though. I moved before Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-22 01:09:51 AM

ProfessorOhki: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

Ooh ooh, what about military contractors who are ostensibly "private-sector" but function as giant military money sinks. Like or hate? Making it in the private sector or dumbfarks?

/Step 1, fan flames
//Step 2, run


Definitely wasteful spending, to say the least.
 
2012-11-22 01:10:53 AM

KrispyKritter: this is the down side of not having the benefits of religion in your life. many people learn of charity, kindness, benevolence and the importance of doing good acts in a house of worship. the increase of godless heathens in positions of power (political office, law enforcement) is giving rise to absolute evil being in control. feed a homeless person in the right park in FLA? that's an arrestin'. you're a homeless fellow in the right town in CA with no where to go? that's an arrestin'.

people that cannot handle what little power their position gives them need to quickly be removed from that job. meanwhile you haters keep on pissing on the bible and enjoy as America turns into a land of soulless suffering for those not blessed as you.


1/10
 
2012-11-22 01:11:58 AM
I saw Homeless in Nevada. It was mostly filmed in Nevada City.
 
2012-11-22 01:12:41 AM

gilatrout: Poverty is not a crime


Move along citizen, move along.
 
2012-11-22 01:13:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy:
Military veterans unfit for private sector jobs


That's not what the article you linked to actually says if you bother to read it. It actually says that employers tend to discount military experience in favor of someone with a college degree.

The truth is that in most fields you could have been doing an equivalent or more demanding version of the same job you are applying for in the civilian world, but if you don't have civilian credentials you can forget about getting the job. Many employers really don't understand the military and ignore veterans experience even when they are overqualified for the jobs they are applying for.
 
2012-11-22 01:13:41 AM
Rumplebluntskin
i needed resolution! did the cops come or what?

I don't know. I don't think so. It usually doesn't get to that point.

However they did come and haul the camp waaay outside of town, to a site with no water or nearby bus route. Not a peep from the Madison liberals. Of course, they abandoned Occupy Madison once they realized it wasn't just a hip fad for them to hang out and protest and look for themselves in the crowd pictures in the papers, but that there were going to be actual poor people in close proximity. Unlike a lot of Occupys, Madison's refused to drive off the 'undesirable elements' because, duh, they're the one's most obviously getting their asses kicked by the economy and the system. So the liberals left.

Liberals are the worst people
 
2012-11-22 01:14:09 AM

Mixolydian Master: [img696.imageshack.us image 584x329]


Moron. This is happening in a liberal controlled state under an ultra-liberal governor.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:06 AM
I see no problem as long as there is a process in place, once the homeless are arrested and rounded up into a central holding area, a process which can efficiently export the meat and other nutrients and resources which harvesting these undesirables will yield.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


Wow, what an asshole.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:50 AM
asheville, nc needs this in the summer months of the year.
 
2012-11-22 01:16:50 AM
Arrested and then what? Fine someone who has nothing to steal? Put a roof over their head and feed them in a jailhouse? If the city really wants to be rid of the homeless they're going to have to round them up for relocation/disposal. I would suggest Mexico, but it's apparently too easy to get back from there...
 
2012-11-22 01:16:54 AM

jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.


The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.
 
2012-11-22 01:16:54 AM
I have no problem with this. Don't leave milk out for stray cats. Don't feed the trolls. Don't give homeless free shait. If you do its just like feeding stray cats. They multiply and make it worse for everyone involved. You want to be homeless, fine have fun chewing on pine cones buddy, cause in my city, food ain't free.

/Man I wish I really had a city right now.....
 
2012-11-22 01:17:49 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.

Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.


And you've captured the attitude of highly liberal Santa Barbara California perfectly.
Their policy was to bus their homeless (one way of course) to surrounding communities so their rich folks wouldn't be offended by the pan handlers.
 
2012-11-22 01:18:50 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yogimus: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy:

I like your world. Beats the hell out of the one I live in where you have nearly a 100% high school diploma rate and most are college graduates who believe in something more than you could ever understand.

This.

And he never will understand.


I'm well aware of the graduation requirements for our troops, but joining up is quite often simply a financial decision. Yes, a lot of people do it out of noble reasons, but there's a reason that we encourage people who don't want to go to college to join the military. It's a good career decision.

/There isn't anything wrong with that, either; it's just ridiculous to say everyone who joins is joining for noble reasons.
//I mean, really, if my kid joined the military because it's a good-paying job, I'd say good for them. Nothing wrong with doing things for money, just don't do it to hurt people and\or fark up royally while working.
 
2012-11-22 01:19:00 AM

KrispyKritter: this is the down side of not having the benefits of religion in your life. many people learn of charity, kindness, benevolence and the importance of doing good acts in a house of worship. the increase of godless heathens in positions of power (political office, law enforcement) is giving rise to absolute evil being in control. feed a homeless person in the right park in FLA? that's an arrestin'. you're a homeless fellow in the right town in CA with no where to go? that's an arrestin'.

people that cannot handle what little power their position gives them need to quickly be removed from that job. meanwhile you haters keep on pissing on the bible and enjoy as America turns into a land of soulless suffering for those not blessed as you.


You sound like you need a cigarette.
 
2012-11-22 01:19:01 AM
It's time to arm the homeless.
 
2012-11-22 01:21:02 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: GAT_00: If we hadn't had the war, Republicans would have insisted on more tax cuts to fix everything.

That's a pretty defeatist attitude.


/FTFY
//Same difference, nevermind
 
2012-11-22 01:21:48 AM

Coelacanth: It's time to arm the homeless.


many, not most, are already double fisting their daily take somewhere.
 
2012-11-22 01:23:54 AM

Hector Remarkable: I see no problem as long as there is a process in place, once the homeless are arrested and rounded up into a central holding area, a process which can efficiently export the meat and other nutrients and resources which harvesting these undesirables will yield.


Without disturbing the ecosystem, of course.
 
2012-11-22 01:25:03 AM

ProfessorOhki: jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.

The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.


I'm not commenting on whether or not its a good idea -- just that if ones goal was to "clean" the streets, this would be one way to accomplish it: by either moving the homeless along or warehousing them.
 
2012-11-22 01:25:58 AM
I read that headline in Jay-Z's Voice.
 
2012-11-22 01:26:05 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: ProfessorOhki: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

Ooh ooh, what about military contractors who are ostensibly "private-sector" but function as giant military money sinks. Like or hate? Making it in the private sector or dumbfarks?

/Step 1, fan flames
//Step 2, run

Definitely wasteful spending, to say the least.


Is it wasteful spending if I'm a military contractor who's sole purpose is to ensure the safety and health of DoD employees? I mean I'm saving the government money by helping them avoid workplace injuries, which cost far more than my salary.
 
2012-11-22 01:27:39 AM

ProfessorOhki: jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.

The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.


People, the local police chief is not going to arrest somebody just for being homeless. He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will. Arresting is for the ones who are a danger to themselves or others, or who keep returning.
 
2012-11-22 01:27:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Hector Remarkable: I see no problem as long as there is a process in place, once the homeless are arrested and rounded up into a central holding area, a process which can efficiently export the meat and other nutrients and resources which harvesting these undesirables will yield.

Without disturbing the ecosystem, of course.


Yes, of course. The solutions are there. The homeless have been proven to increase yields in areas where they've been planted, but more research and funding is needed.
 
2012-11-22 01:28:37 AM

Confusean: I have no problem with this. Don't leave milk out for stray cats. Don't feed the trolls. Don't give homeless free shait. If you do its just like feeding stray cats. They multiply and make it worse for everyone involved. You want to be homeless, fine have fun chewing on pine cones buddy, cause in my city, food ain't free.


done in 37 or whatever
 
2012-11-22 01:28:44 AM
fairly warm here in the days, 50-60. they are still around. soon to in the 20's for lows, they will be gone til march.

i see these women and men, with their dogs, on a multi-daily basis. i can see them at walgreens in the AM, and at the grocery store at 9PM. offer to buy the dog some food they get pissed off.

it is a daily process.
 
2012-11-22 01:29:58 AM
I think if I got dragged from my chosen camping spot (were I homeless at the time), I'd probably give the finger to the court and say 'thanks for three hots and a cot'. I'd certainly try to live off the land if I were in that position, having had some training, but if they want to spend money on feeding me instead of just letting me be, that's their problem. At that point all I need is a pen and some paper to keep myself entertained.
 
2012-11-22 01:32:19 AM
I hadn't seen a homeless guy in my town for many years...saw one yesterday.

It's like lately, there are more stores closing down. Like a recession or something...
 
2012-11-22 01:34:57 AM
I do not think the chief thought out his cunning plan very well.
 
2012-11-22 01:35:02 AM

Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?


Yeah, not sure they've thought their cunning plan all the way through.


Rumplebluntskin: RanDomino: Stay for the video of the crazy lady, who has a care and a house, screaming at homeless people a couple of days ago in Madison.

i needed resolution! did the cops come or what?


They fix the cable.
 
2012-11-22 01:35:52 AM
BarkingUnicorn
He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will

OK so problem solved them?
 
2012-11-22 01:37:08 AM
RanDomino: Stay for the video of the crazy lady, who has a care and a house

wow, really? *car* and a house
 
2012-11-22 01:38:33 AM
Form 118-17-C (revision 3 - To be filled out in triplicate unless not applying)
Application for Permit to Recieve Homelessness Permit Application

*This form is invalid if not filled out completely*

NAME_________________________ SSN___-_-__
PERMANENT ADDRESS TO MAIL PERMIT TO (No PO Boxes)
_________________________________________
_________________________________________
CITY____________________STATE___ZIP______
 
2012-11-22 01:42:04 AM
i know there are a ton of homeless that are just striving to make it back in to a regular society. the rest just beg and beg to get a fix of drugs and booze for the night til they get up the next day.

the later is what i deal with daily. offer to buy some dog food or a whopper and the get defensive.
 
2012-11-22 01:48:04 AM

Smingleigh: Form 118-17-C (revision 3 - To be filled out in triplicate unless not applying)
Application for Permit to Recieve Homelessness Permit Application

*This form is invalid if not filled out completely*

NAME_________________________ SSN___-_-__
PERMANENT ADDRESS TO MAIL PERMIT TO (No PO Boxes)
_________________________________________
_________________________________________
CITY____________________STATE___ZIP______


really, is that form that compicated?
 
2012-11-22 01:50:11 AM
what's funny up here in CO, is that if a homeless person is found in some of the suburbs of denver, they are put into a patrol car and dropped at the city limits. Inside the limits, which makes them Denver's problem, not the problem of the cop who dropped them off.

/it's not really funny, no
 
2012-11-22 01:50:44 AM
So they're planning on imprisoning people because they don't have money?

Seems a bit...uncool.
 
2012-11-22 01:51:31 AM
So, let me get this straight... we'll now be able to arrest these people, temporarily alleviating their homeless conditions, which will give them cause to sue for enough money to permanently alleviate their homeless conditions. Problem solved, right?
 
2012-11-22 01:53:09 AM
This is an outrage! it is completely unfair.

kinda like blaming the state of Nevada for something a town in California did.
 
2012-11-22 01:55:38 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: compicated?


compLicated?

rainbow festival people, drunks and druggies isn't the same as homeless.
 
2012-11-22 01:57:39 AM
I guess compassion is dead then. Good to know.

Please tell me the person who thought this up suffers from some sort of mental illness.
 
2012-11-22 01:58:31 AM

RanDomino: BarkingUnicorn
He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will

OK so problem solved them?


I assume you're a gentle, compassionate spirit who would not harm a fly. When you shoo a fly out of your home, do you concern yourself with where it will go?
 
2012-11-22 01:59:19 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ProfessorOhki: jshine: Gwyrddu: So the homeless end up sleeping in the city jails instead of in the street. How is this a good deal for the town?

Its like a homeless shelter, only you *have* to go (or leave the area). I can see the logic in it, if the city's only goal was to keep the sidewalks aesthetically pleasing for the other residents.

The theory with a shelter being that they can eventually get on their feet. A jail will have them serving their term, getting kicked out, getting picked up as a re-offender with a possibly longer term, maybe giving them a record that will make them less employable. Also, taxes will be paying for all of it rather than shelters being funded largely by charitable contributions. Seems like a losing proposition for everyone... unless you're doing work training in jail (more tax money) you're not going to fix anything.

You might as well just create a optional local works program that'll provide training and shelter in exchange for work. That takes care of the people who actually want to get back on their feet (which are the homeless folk who money'd be better spent on). Not sure what to suggest for the mentally ill or "career homeless." But the last thing we need to criminalize more things.

People, the local police chief is not going to arrest somebody just for being homeless. He'll merely threaten them with arrest if they don't leave town, and most will. Arresting is for the ones who are a danger to themselves or others, or who keep returning.


Sure. What happens when every community adopts a similar law? Even if that's not a plausible scenario, it's crappy policy. Playing hot potato just doesn't work well in the big picture, it doesn't work well for raising test scores, it didn't work well for banking, and it's not gonna work well for this.

/Homeless potato?
 
2012-11-22 02:06:55 AM

ProfessorOhki:

Sure. What happens when every community adopts a similar law? Even if that's not a plausible scenario, it's crappy policy.


The homeless will migrate to unincorporated areas, build their own communities, and cast out the people they don't like.
 
2012-11-22 02:16:03 AM
Just make living below the poverty line illegal too while you're at it. Jackholes.
 
2012-11-22 02:16:56 AM

Fista-Phobia: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]

What?


They wrote the first ticket. Not me.
 
2012-11-22 02:27:15 AM

ArmednHammered: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.

Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.

And you've captured the attitude of highly liberal Santa Barbara California perfectly.
Their policy was to bus their homeless (one way of course) to surrounding communities so their rich folks wouldn't be offended by the pan handlers.


LOL! Yes, the Libs are generally total hypocrites. About 8 months ago I actually got a temp gig in Cerritos. Was supposed to be for 3 days and I ended up doing 4 weeks. I would drive to the warehouse in the morning, change into the monkey suit, then drive to Cerritos. Then in the evening drive back to Tustin/Santa Ana area.

Problem: while I was there for 8 hours each day the wife was stuck in the camper shell, or in the cab of the truck, and it was farking HOT most of the time. But we found a lovely area to park, beneath some huge trees in the parking lot at the Cerritos Center for the Performing Arts - the same place I had made a donation of $100 to about 12 years ago when I was making $80,000 a year. (The donation was to help upgrade the parking lot.)

Well, the nice Liberal (this fine tax-supported public institution regularly has fund raisers for the liberal cause of the day) old ladies there took exception to my nasty truck and camper shell parked in their totally farking empty parking lot and called the Cerritos Sheriff Dept to tell me to move. TWELVE cops in six cars showed up. We ended up in the Ebil Fascist Walmart parking lot across the street, and Walmart management didn't care that the truck was parked there all day. The manager, in fact, told me one day that it was OK with him to park overnight - just don't make trouble and noise.

My contempt for most examples of the modern liberal - especially still-wet-behind-the-ears kids in their mom's basement who have read a couple of books and think they know it all - is just behind my contempt for the modern conservative and knows no bounds.
 
2012-11-22 02:44:33 AM

sethen320: I guess compassion is dead then. Good to know.

Please tell me the person who thought this up suffers from some sort of mental illness.


I think that is a given- from the salaries page of the place Police Chief $48,000 annually (Contracted position)
 
2012-11-22 02:55:38 AM
Can the permit-less homeless plead insanity?
 
2012-11-22 03:05:50 AM

Old enough to know better: Just make living below the poverty line illegal too while you're at it. Jackholes.


they take home more than most people that work a full day and don't pay taxes, except on the tobacco and booze they buy.
 
2012-11-22 03:07:39 AM
it seems like there is big difference in what the definition of homeless is in this thread?
 
2012-11-22 03:15:32 AM
This will be struck down in court. Bet on it. If you want an example, have a look at Los Angeles. Here in Venice Beach, we have a serious homeless problem, though our homeless are of the vagrant variety and actively choose to live on the street, not the "down on their luck" types found elsewhere in the city.
 
2012-11-22 03:26:34 AM

cyberworm: This will be struck down in court. Bet on it. If you want an example, have a look at Los Angeles. Here in Venice Beach, we have a serious homeless problem, though our homeless are of the vagrant variety and actively choose to live on the street, not the "down on their luck" types found elsewhere in the city.


same here in asheville, nc
 
2012-11-22 03:53:11 AM
Republicans are funny.
 
2012-11-22 03:54:23 AM
I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.
 
2012-11-22 04:03:32 AM

boozel: I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.


I hope that you , and some local friends as well- go to the next council meeting. I mean, if they lack compassion, they will surely understand that they will be using more money to incarcerate folks than to maybe find a more reasonable / compassionate/ logical solution.
 
2012-11-22 04:04:07 AM

Trance354: what's funny up here in CO, is that if a homeless person is found in some of the suburbs of denver, they are put into a patrol car and dropped at the city limits. Inside the limits, which makes them Denver's problem, not the problem of the cop who dropped them off.


Living in San Francisco I'm getting a kick out of that, not.
 
2012-11-22 04:10:22 AM

Revek: Republicans are funny.


Where did you get this information? I can't find the council's affiliation anywhere.
 
2012-11-22 04:11:41 AM

Yogimus: Revek: Republicans are funny.

Where did you get this information? I can't find the council's affiliation anywhere.


Are you a betting shrub?
 
2012-11-22 04:15:30 AM
I hope that you , and some local friends as well- go to the next council meeting. I mean, if they lack compassion, they will surely understand that they will be using more money to incarcerate folks than to maybe find a more reasonable / compassionate/ logical solution.

Yeah, people around here get pretty active when bullshiat like this drops - you can at least count on most of the city residents being there.

Anyhow, the homeless around here - while a lot of them DO have quite a good helping of crazy - are pretty cool, and all the city residents know it. We hardly ever have trouble with the homeless, so most people around here will probably push hard against this. Most of the more conservative people around here live in the 'burbs/farmlands and won't really give two shiats about keeping the homeless out of the city.

Oh, our homeless guys are pretty much stereotypical gold-rush remnants, by the way, so if you're ever visiting and want to get in good with one of them, talk about gold prospecting. That's pretty much an instant buddy card.
 
2012-11-22 04:31:14 AM
Anyone notice the homeless guy image's name/title tag is "Holla"?
 
2012-11-22 04:39:11 AM
When Jesus saw how your city treated its people, He camped out at the city's edge.
 
2012-11-22 04:51:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: war


Thats cute. You think the amount of money we HAVE in some way effects the amount of money we SPEND.

There is no other word but cute.
 
2012-11-22 04:53:21 AM
hmmm... it seems to have just quoted "war" instead of the whole comment about the war causing us not to take care of these people.

/ I really need to start hitting preview.
// We really need to start giving a crap about our fellow man.
 
2012-11-22 04:56:04 AM

I sound fat: We really need to start giving a crap about our fellow man.


Indeed
 
2012-11-22 05:16:29 AM
I have no problem with this if there are effective publicly funded alternatives, such as clean, safe, and reasonably located shelters or programs which give out free or extremely subsidized housing to those who need it. Likewise, I have no problem with anti-panhandling laws as long as there are viable government-sponsored alternatives.

This is a fair trade off that serves the needs of society, and is how most civilized countries do it.
 
2012-11-22 05:17:45 AM

trappedspirit: If only there were a

enough shelters of some kind

/FTFY
 
2012-11-22 05:28:10 AM

ProfessorOhki: AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.

Ooh ooh, what about military contractors who are ostensibly "private-sector" but function as giant military money sinks. Like or hate? Making it in the private sector or dumbfarks?

/Step 1, fan flames
//Step 2, run


"It's like throwing gasoline on a flame." - Sir Alexander Dane
 
2012-11-22 05:30:12 AM

Linkster: KrispyKritter: this is the down side of not having the benefits of religion in your life. many people learn of charity, kindness, benevolence and the importance of doing good acts in a house of worship. the increase of godless heathens in positions of power (political office, law enforcement) is giving rise to absolute evil being in control. feed a homeless person in the right park in FLA? that's an arrestin'. you're a homeless fellow in the right town in CA with no where to go? that's an arrestin'.

people that cannot handle what little power their position gives them need to quickly be removed from that job. meanwhile you haters keep on pissing on the bible and enjoy as America turns into a land of soulless suffering for those not blessed as you.

1/10


Regardless, he is right about this... God knows parents aren't teaching it anymore (even if they can pull their kid away from the babysitter - aka Wii/XBOX/PS3).
 
2012-11-22 05:33:25 AM

Confusean: I have no problem with this. Don't leave milk out for stray cats. Don't feed the trolls. Don't give homeless free shait. If you do its just like feeding stray cats. They multiply and make it worse for everyone involved. You want to be homeless, fine have fun chewing on pine cones buddy, cause in my city, food ain't free.

/Man I wish I really had a city right now.....


www.drivewerks.com
/What Confusean may look like.
 
2012-11-22 05:34:40 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Hector Remarkable: I see no problem as long as there is a process in place, once the homeless are arrested and rounded up into a central holding area, a process which can efficiently export the meat and other nutrients and resources which harvesting these undesirables will yield.

Without disturbing the ecosystem, of course.


remember.... CARBON NEUTRAL... that's the mantra
 
2012-11-22 06:44:00 AM
I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it
 
2012-11-22 06:47:48 AM

Revek: Yogimus: Revek: Republicans are funny.

Where did you get this information? I can't find the council's affiliation anywhere.

Are you a betting shrub?


I was going to get all snarky so I started to do a bit of research, but damn if i'm not genuinely interested now.
 
2012-11-22 06:54:59 AM

natas6.0: I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it


I will give you a 2/10- I did sense some effort in that.
 
2012-11-22 06:56:13 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Mixolydian Master: [img696.imageshack.us image 584x329]

Moron. This is happening in a liberal controlled state under an ultra-liberal governor.


The libbyest libs that ever libbed?
 
2012-11-22 07:00:39 AM

Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?


It's not hatred for the 'troops'. It's hatred for our pampered, wealthy 'leaders' who create and profit from the wars where the troops die for them.
 
2012-11-22 07:04:31 AM

Lionel Mandrake: That's Nevada City, California


yup, I have to look up a Nevada City...

to be fair, they do have a quaint little place

 
2012-11-22 07:07:24 AM

natas6.0: I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it


wow, are you clueless.

I have been on the street. Yes there are programs. No there are not enough of them. No it is not possible to live on the street and find work... you need at least access to a shower. Addiction is no joke... some drugs are harder than others to quit - actual physical risks to quitting (like death).
 
2012-11-22 07:14:58 AM

Yogimus: most are college graduates


Before you make claims like that, you might want to note that only about 30% of all US residents are college graduates.
 
2012-11-22 07:16:06 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: natas6.0: I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it

wow, are you clueless.

I have been on the street. Yes there are programs. No there are not enough of them. No it is not possible to live on the street and find work... you need at least access to a shower. Addiction is no joke... some drugs are harder than others to quit - actual physical risks to quitting (like death).


Don't cry to me about how hard you made your life.
 
2012-11-22 07:21:58 AM

Yogimus: who believe in something more than you could ever understand.


I seriously doubt that you mean "believe ... more". Many people believe very strongly in a whole variety of things. For example, I believe it's unjust to submit our military personnel to a separate set of laws in direct contravention of their constitutional and human rights by making them slaves (i.e. unable to quit their jobs). I believe that our troops are largely willing to provide service to their country without the threat of legal penalty, and that those who are not should not be allowed to serve (and therefore not subject to military rules). But clearly that's not the viewpoint of the majority of US citizens, or even of military personnel; however, a lack of popularity does not mean my beliefs are less strongly held than those of others.

Alternatively, suicide bombers clearly have strong beliefs, but I don't think most military personnel would take kindly to a comparison to terrorists. Hence "believe ... more" is probably not a good metric by which to judge someone's fitness as a human/citizen/solider/etc. and therefore probably does not support the point you are trying to make.
 
2012-11-22 08:19:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Because they're mostly dumbfarks who couldn't make it in the private sector and signed up to be professional welfare cases, but that's not the issue right now.


Oooh, oooh, that's a THIN line to walk...
 
2012-11-22 08:20:01 AM
Isn't peonage illegal in this country?
 
2012-11-22 08:21:00 AM

profplump: For example, I believe it's unjust to submit our military personnel to a separate set of laws in direct contravention of their constitutional and human rights by making them slaves (i.e. unable to quit their jobs).


Why do you hate the freedom to enter into contracts? Nothing would get done without contracts.
 
2012-11-22 09:41:04 AM

Gyrfalcon: trappedspirit: If only there were a shelter of some kind

Nevada City isn't the greatest town in the whole world; it's a piss-poor little armpit of a town (at least the only time I was there). They don't have a whole lot of money and you could probably fit their entire city revenue in a thimble and still have room to piss. Not that that makes this regulation any better, but I daresay they don't have lots of free cash to spend on a homeless shelter. If there are 60 homeless people in town, that's probably a good 10% of the local population.


Population of 600?
 
2012-11-22 09:43:40 AM
Wow, someone got it in one. Nevada City California is about an hour and half north east of Sacramento. I lived there, and GrassValley.

TBH, its hard to even know who is a bum. Everyone there looks like a godd**n freaking homeless person...

Its a Sh*thole town. It has a population of 3,000 people and 4 bars that open at 5-7am.... Oh, and its run by meth dealing bikers... What do you expect norcal? If anyone watching Sons Of Anarchy, this is as close as you'll realistically get to the city of "Charming".

Oh btw. F**k Nevada City to DEATH.
 
2012-11-22 09:50:40 AM

trappedspirit: Gyrfalcon: trappedspirit: If only there were a shelter of some kind

Nevada City isn't the greatest town in the whole world; it's a piss-poor little armpit of a town (at least the only time I was there). They don't have a whole lot of money and you could probably fit their entire city revenue in a thimble and still have room to piss. Not that that makes this regulation any better, but I daresay they don't have lots of free cash to spend on a homeless shelter. If there are 60 homeless people in town, that's probably a good 10% of the local population.

Population of 600?


Its around 3,000. But the area is spread out. No joke, they smoke pot in the bars there (in the "GARDEN" area). And its well known that at the top of the hill where the public restrooms are (yes, there is ONE) bums and vagrants hang out and do every drug imaginable, whilst just around the corner, teenagers slam cans of natty light behind the bushes.

One of the ever so reputable establishments is called, I shiat you not, "The Mine Shaft"... The bartender is either always hammered, or has drank so much in his life that he has no idea where he is or what he's doing. Its a pretty common theme in the area. Bartenders are always hammered drunk. At a bar just "down the hill" (3 miles) theres a place called the Nevada Club which is literally run by bikers.

If you're a clamper (E. Clampus Victus... They sponsor the highway in fact) and you earned your cut/patch and are of origin of an original clamper, you drink free.

Hooray free drinking drunk biker meth head gun runners!

Seriously, in Nevada City, there was a restaurant I used to eat at called Amigos. They had a full bar upstairs but only opened the bottom part of the restaurant. I asked once, why the bar wasn't open. The response was that when they were raided by the ATF, after a guy killed someone's whole family as a case of mistaken identity, they found guns and cocaine in the walls upstairs...

Hooray small town north California.
 
2012-11-22 09:50:43 AM

natas6.0: I've seen poor, america doesn't have it.
There's no possible reason why anyone should have to be a bum here.
There's madness, we have programs for it
there's drug culture, but every opportunity to get clean on someone else's dime
if you lose yer pad to the economy, there are a thousand helping hands to get you on yer feet again
being a street rat is a choice

Kudos to this plan, I hope in 6 months that it makes a difference and they continue it


The problem is that here in the South, social programs are a joke. After moving back to Virginia and seeking assistance for managing medical problems I have, I basically got told that unless I'm homeless (I live with my parents) and/or make less than $5000/year (was working part-time at the time in area where even the cheapest rent costs more than that in a year), I was straight out of luck.
 
2012-11-22 09:59:42 AM

boozel: I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.


I call bullshiat. Thats like comparing anal rape to a prolapsed rectum. Nevada City could fall off the map with the rest of California for all I care. You've either not lived there long enough to realize how horrible it is, or you've lived there so long, you've forgotten. I pray to every God whose name I know, I never have to move back to that shiathole.

I lived in Cascade Shores, Alta Sierra, and Bitney Springs, fyi. So I got the full gambit...
 
2012-11-22 10:15:35 AM
BarkingUnicorn
I assume you're a gentle, compassionate spirit who would not harm a fly. When you shoo a fly out of your home, do you concern yourself with where it will go?

DIAF
 
2012-11-22 10:16:54 AM
www.global-air.com

Most of the celebrities on the list were homeless before becoming rich and famous. But some lost everything and wound-up that way. (new window)
 
2012-11-22 10:20:51 AM

Gwyrddu: AverageAmericanGuy:
Military veterans unfit for private sector jobs


That's not what the article you linked to actually says if you bother to read it. It actually says that employers tend to discount military experience in favor of someone with a college degree.

The truth is that in most fields you could have been doing an equivalent or more demanding version of the same job you are applying for in the civilian world, but if you don't have civilian credentials you can forget about getting the job. Many employers really don't understand the military and ignore veterans experience even when they are overqualified for the jobs they are applying for.


The American Legion is promoting programs that address this shortfall. What they have in mind is a type of certification system that recognizes and qualifies the service member's training and experience, giving it a comparable status with civilian credentials. The key is giving legitimacy to the service member's experience, while making it understandable to civilian employers.

Kind of like a diploma from the School of Hard Knocks.
 
2012-11-22 10:26:29 AM

Lucidz: gambit...


gamut.
 
2012-11-22 10:32:30 AM

untaken_name: Lucidz: gambit...

gamut.


I can has fail? :(
 
2012-11-22 10:37:55 AM
Replace Chief Wiggum's police station with a new homeless shelter funded by the police budget. Let the guy run his office in the park.


i262.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-22 10:42:00 AM

Lucidz: untaken_name: Lucidz: gambit...

gamut.

I can has fail? :(


It's ok, I was just letting you know, I often get called names when I explain corrections, so I thought I'd go minimalist this time...but I didn't intend anything negative towards you, neither of those are terribly common words.
 
2012-11-22 10:43:31 AM

Trance354: what's funny up here in CO, is that if a homeless person is found in some of the suburbs of denver, they are put into a patrol car and dropped at the city limits. Inside the limits, which makes them Denver's problem, not the problem of the cop who dropped them off.
/it's not really funny, no


Our cops used to put them on a bus to Idaho Falls. Couldn't have any homeless people marring our pretty little tourist town. Plus, it was in another state.
 
2012-11-22 10:49:01 AM

untaken_name: Lucidz: untaken_name: Lucidz: gambit...

gamut.

I can has fail? :(

It's ok, I was just letting you know, I often get called names when I explain corrections, so I thought I'd go minimalist this time...but I didn't intend anything negative towards you, neither of those are terribly common words.


No prob mate. I go all grammar nazi on people myself. In my defense, I've been up since 5 am, and I may or may not have already started drinking. ( :D )

Sorry, first time on the other side of the continent from my family, and no obligations. Here's to you Modern Warfare 2!
 
2012-11-22 10:55:09 AM

boozel: I live in Nevada City.

Our council members are pretty much dicks. I don't know how they keep their seats. Chances of this passing are pretty slim in my opinion - we have too many hippies around for that.

Anyhow, even if this did pass, it's not like our police are really gonna give a shiat. Unless you're doing something actually harmful or some harsh drugs in public, they pretty much tell you to take your joint home and have a good day.

PS: This place is actually pretty damn nice. It's hardly an armpit at all. You want to see an armpit, look up North San Juan - Town's literally three buildings.


Could be worse

/Could be Georgetown :)
 
2012-11-22 11:01:19 AM

cyberworm: This will be struck down in court. Bet on it. If you want an example, have a look at Los Angeles. Here in Venice Beach, we have a serious homeless problem, though our homeless are of the vagrant variety and actively choose to live on the street, not the "down on their luck" types found elsewhere in the city.


Why would a no-camping law be struck down?

Vagrancy laws have been struck down because they were too vague; a reasonable citizen could not tell what conduct was prohibited.
 
2012-11-22 11:33:49 AM

RanDomino: Stay for the video of the crazy lady, who has a care and a house, screaming at homeless people a couple of days ago in Madison.


DUI, obstructing a traffic-way, disorderly conduct, making terroristic threats...I bet the cops let her go.
 
2012-11-22 11:38:57 AM
really? This is cruel and unusual. They are kicking people while they are down. You cannot criminalize being down on your luck, I hope this police chief winds up unemployed and homeless so he falls victim to his own cruel idiocy.
 
2012-11-22 11:47:43 AM

Maul555: really? This is cruel and unusual. They are kicking people while they are down. You cannot criminalize being down on your luck, I hope this police chief winds up unemployed and homeless so he falls victim to his own cruel idiocy.


The no-camping law he's proposing applies equally to rich and poor.
 
2012-11-22 11:56:25 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Maul555: really? This is cruel and unusual. They are kicking people while they are down. You cannot criminalize being down on your luck, I hope this police chief winds up unemployed and homeless so he falls victim to his own cruel idiocy.

The no-camping law he's proposing applies equally to rich and poor.


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2012-11-22 12:04:46 PM
No camping law? Do you really think that is what the homeless are doing? Taking a break from their hectic lives to roast marshmallows around the camp fire with their friends and family? Dad putting up the tent while mom unloads the SUV and the kids throw rocks in the creek?

To label the act of homeless folks sleeping outside at night "camping" trivializes their situation.

I find it hard to believe this will pass constitutional muster. Essentially the law is saying that you have to have a permit not to own a house.
 
2012-11-22 12:13:41 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.

Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.


I'm a liberal and you can fark right off.
 
2012-11-22 12:25:33 PM

Ima4nic8or:
I find it hard to believe this will pass constitutional muster. Essentially the law is saying that you have to have a permit not to own a house.


No, no, no. You can rent a home as well, that is perfectly acceptable.
 
2012-11-22 12:26:38 PM
Cop "were is your camping permit?"
Homeless Guy " I don't have one."
Cop "You'll have to pay a fine."
Homeless Guy "I don't have any money."
Cop "Then I have to take you to jail, were you'll sleep in a warm bed and get 3 meals a day."
Homeless Guy "Thanks"
 
2012-11-22 12:34:31 PM

bubo_sibiricus: How very christian of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.


stuffy: Cop "were is your camping permit?"
Homeless Guy " I don't have one."
Cop "You'll have to pay a fine."
Homeless Guy "I don't have any money."
Cop "Then I have to take you to jail, were you'll sleep in a warm bed and get 3 meals a day."
Homeless Guy "Thanks"


Sounds to me like this problem is solved in a properly Christian manner.
 
2012-11-22 01:10:57 PM

GAT_00: Lionel Mandrake: AverageAmericanGuy: Wish we hadn't gone to war in Iraq a few years ago. We'd have a lot more money to tackle these social issues.

Why do you hate our troops?

Also, the person you quoted is an idiot. If we hadn't had the war, Republicans would have insisted on more tax cuts to fix everything.


I thought they already are. What'd be the difference?

/not counting having almost the whole world hate us.
 
2012-11-22 01:27:14 PM

ladyfortuna: I think if I got dragged from my chosen camping spot (were I homeless at the time), I'd probably give the finger to the court and say 'thanks for three hots and a cot'. I'd certainly try to live off the land if I were in that position, having had some training, but if they want to spend money on feeding me instead of just letting me be, that's their problem. At that point all I need is a pen and some paper to keep myself entertained.


The entertainment comes in the form of ass rape, so there's that. =/
 
2012-11-22 03:14:10 PM

stuffy: Cop "were is your camping permit?"
Homeless Guy " I don't have one."
Cop "You'll have to pay a fine."
Homeless Guy "I don't have any money."
Cop "Then I have to take you to jail, were you'll sleep in a warm bed and get 3 meals a day."
Homeless Guy "Thanks"


No, no, no. The cop will arrest him, strip-search him, give him a cold shower, make him share a yoga mat on a concrete floor with two other guys, and then he'll be released on personal recognizance before breakfast is served.

You know nothing of managing the homeless.
 
2012-11-22 03:22:03 PM

bubo_sibiricus: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bubo_sibiricus: How very christian liberal of them.

>arresting you if you're homeless and don't have a permit

Because criminializing the homeless is going to make the problem go away. Right.

Oh my, we really do feel sorry for the homeless, just so they're not around here.

I'm a liberal and you can fark right off.


From what I've seen and experienced, you're the exception.
 
2012-11-22 03:41:25 PM
Lucids, I guess I've been here too long then, because I've lived here for about 15 years - since I was four.

Also, you lived in Nevada County, not Nevada City. You also happened to live in all the areas with a shiatload of methlabs, lol.

I really don't care if you like it or not, just pointing out that you aren't from the city. ;)

Oh, and yeah - we kinda are a biker gang hub, but they can be pretty chill guys. I mean, they deliver a ton of presents to kids each Christmas season and generally avoid murdering/beating your normal joe. The meth definitely is a huge problem, but the councilors don't seem to care since the guys making it have a tendency to blow themselves up eventually, and the meth heads find their way to NSJ or Allegheny. Or Cooper's Bar.
 
2012-11-22 03:51:12 PM
Is this happening in the same 'free country' that tried to ban alcohol once?
 
2012-11-22 04:01:09 PM
Hey, I got an idea!

Instead of arresting those people, pay them minimum wage to pick up trash, sort bottles for recycling, cut lawns for the elderly and the handicapped----anything else that needs doing.

No job? No money? No problem! Stay off the streets and no begging, report for work over there.

How long you figure they would stay around with a deal like that in progress? One day? Two days tops?
 
2012-11-22 06:46:39 PM

boozel: Lucids, I guess I've been here too long then, because I've lived here for about 15 years - since I was four.

Also, you lived in Nevada County, not Nevada City. You also happened to live in all the areas with a shiatload of methlabs, lol.

I really don't care if you like it or not, just pointing out that you aren't from the city. ;)

Oh, and yeah - we kinda are a biker gang hub, but they can be pretty chill guys. I mean, they deliver a ton of presents to kids each Christmas season and generally avoid murdering/beating your normal joe. The meth definitely is a huge problem, but the councilors don't seem to care since the guys making it have a tendency to blow themselves up eventually, and the meth heads find their way to NSJ or Allegheny. Or Cooper's Bar.


I know the guy who founded coopers. I guess you figured that one out from the "garden section" comment I made. And I was there when the clampers held massive toys for tots runs. Also, they (and other bikers) support about 80% of the charities there.

I used to have a glass of wine and a burrito at Margaritas in Brunswick almost every day. Its a cop bar. I heard stories that you wouldn't believe. NC and GV both try to show themselves as nice whitewashed communities but it couldn't be farther from the truth. But what do you expect when the top paid policeman makes less than 50K per year. And if you live there you know how many people have either been shot, or shot at, in the Tahoe national forest where people were growing weed.

Alta Sierra eventually became the highest weed growing capital county. Which was great because I had a freaking swamp cooler in my house, So it just blew pot smell into my home, even though I didn't smoke pot...

The first guy I ever played pool with at the Nevada Club on main, killed his girlfriend and his unborn child. I have tons of stories. That place is depressed, sad, and toxic. If you like it (I guess you're 19??) good for you. I'm quite a bit older than you are, and I'd rather slit my wrist than even visit that area.

As far as meth areas are concerned, my 3400 sq ft home in Bitney Springs was on 4.5 acres and I had a NID creek as well as a pond. The only thing that bothered me was deer and an occasional bobcat(ish).

Like I said. If you like it, good on you...I'll take my top floor high rise apartment in downtown Portland.
 
2012-11-22 08:09:47 PM
olddinosaur
Instead of arresting those people, pay them minimum wage to pick up trash, sort bottles for recycling, cut lawns for the elderly and the handicapped----anything else that needs doing.

... Stay off the streets ...


And what do they do for housing in the meanwhile?
 
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