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2012-11-22 03:20:12 AM

DisregardTheFollowing: I find it very interesting that you pointed out that the Bible implies the existence of other gods. I've clearly got more reading to do. I did not know about the famous "problem of evil". Does that mean I can't turn a profit/Prophet for arriving at that theory independently?


Well, it's debated, but:

The Bible Confirms Other Gods

Other Gods

How Many Gods Does God Say There Are?

These are some of the arguments for and against.
 
2012-11-22 03:21:05 AM

HBK: He went on to discuss the intricacies of the human eye and how unlikely it is that it would form without some guidance.


They guy never heard of mollusks? They have almost every step in the development of the humanish (the eyes of the squid is actually better than ours) eye. Everything from spots of light-sensitive cells on skin to cups of said, to "pinhole camera" eyes, to eyes like ours.

Here's the thing about the "appearance of design" argument: why do all chordates have the same eye, but non-chordates have several variations of eye? And, as I pointed out above, they have an eye that is better built than the eyes of all chordates.
 
2012-11-22 03:21:59 AM
The correct answer is that there's no scientific proof for God. You can say that it's scientifically impossible for life to evolve through random chance - because the odds are something like 1 over 10 to the 4000th power, or in other words, 1 over infinity - but God still has to be believed in, if for no other reason than you can't be sure -whose- God created things. The God of Christianity is massively different from the God of Islam, for instance. The "Jesus" of Islam is more or less identical to the Antichrist of Christianity.

Atheism, incidently, is a religion too. It's a just a religion that replaces God with self. Atheists are some of the least tolerant people there are when it comes to other religions, and atheist nations have historically killed more people than all religious wars combined.
 
2012-11-22 03:22:07 AM

HBK: gremlin1: These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.

I went to Catholic school. We had a PhD. AP biology teacher. He told us on the first day of class "the more I learn about biology, the more certain I am that God exists." He went on to discuss the intricacies of the human eye and how unlikely it is that it would form without some guidance. It was my first experience with the "watch in the sea" hypothetical philosophers argue about.

We learned all about evolution, etc. And it was all the same biology that you would learn at a state school. Catholics get a bad rap for the child rapes, but they are pro-science and pro-evolution, and shouldn't be lumped together with the other Christians who refuse to believe in science.


But, but I thought all forms of Christianity taught backward theories!

If I may quote South Park:

Mr Garrison: Now I, for one, think evolution is a bunch of *bullcrap*! But I've been told I have to teach it to you anyway. It was thought up by Charles Darwin and it goes something like this...

In the beginning, we were all fish. Okay? Swimming around in the water. And then one day a couple of fish had a retard baby, and the retard baby was different, so it got to live. So Retard Fish goes on to make more retard babies, and then one day, a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its... mutant fish hands... and it had butt sex with a squirrel or something and made this... Retard frog-sqirrel, and then *that* had a retard baby which was a... monkey-fish-frog... And then this monkey-fish-frog had butt sex with that monkey, and that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey... and that made you!

So there you go! You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel! Congratulations!


But in all seriousness, I agree with you about Catholics. My mother is Catholic, and my brief exposure to the Catholic Church as a child led me to believe that they were the most sane of the lot.
 
2012-11-22 03:22:38 AM
www.mediabistro.com

Approves of that answer.
 
2012-11-22 03:24:05 AM

pnkgtr: [www.mediabistro.com image 198x226]

Approves of that answer.


Speaking of hot as hell....
 
2012-11-22 03:24:11 AM

Ed Grubermann: ciberido: RedPhoenix122: SevenizGud: Even more awkward will be when the little shiat descends to hell to burn in agony for all eternity.

But enough about the creationist.

Thank God nobody mentioned the banana nightmare.

Did you know Comfort tried the same thing with the apple? I've always wondered how he explains the macadamia nut.


Link A tiny bit of NSFW language.
 
2012-11-22 03:25:15 AM

HBK: Catholics get a bad rap for the child rapes, but they are pro-science and pro-evolution, and shouldn't be lumped together with the other Christians who refuse to believe in science.


you know what the best part is?

Fundies don't consider Catholics to be Christians!
 
2012-11-22 03:25:44 AM
www.global-air.com

French philosopher Blaise Pascal reasoned that even though God may not exist, you should wager that he does, because you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. (new window)
 
2012-11-22 03:25:45 AM

j0ndas: The correct answer is that there's no scientific proof for God. You can say that it's scientifically impossible for life to evolve through random chance - because the odds are something like 1 over 10 to the 4000th power, or in other words, 1 over infinity - but God still has to be believed in, if for no other reason than you can't be sure -whose- God created things. The God of Christianity is massively different from the God of Islam, for instance. The "Jesus" of Islam is more or less identical to the Antichrist of Christianity.

Atheism, incidently, is a religion too. It's a just a religion that replaces God with self. Atheists are some of the least tolerant people there are when it comes to other religions, and atheist nations have historically killed more people than all religious wars combined.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-11-22 03:25:58 AM

log_jammin: DisregardTheFollowing: Exactly. Growing up Catholic, I was always taught that Satan was jealous that only humans had free will, where angels were not granted that gift. So how did the revolution come about?

obviously god made him do it. so the question then becomes "why?"


It's late, and I'm drunk. But I'm pretty sure that under opposite circumstances, that still would have blown my mind.
That line of reasoning leads me to wonder why we do not worship Judas. If it wasn't for that guy, our Savior wouldn't have been provided the opportunity to die for my sins. It wasn't his fault anyway. As soon as he ate the morsel Jesus gave him, the devil entered him. Why did Jesus feed him the devil?
 
2012-11-22 03:26:22 AM

log_jammin: HBK: Catholics get a bad rap for the child rapes, but they are pro-science and pro-evolution, and shouldn't be lumped together with the other Christians who refuse to believe in science.

you know what the best part is?

Fundies don't consider Catholics to be Christians!


They were Christian before it was cool
 
HBK
2012-11-22 03:26:24 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: HBK: The All-Powerful Atheismo: muck1969: but logic is hard to fight.

libertarians tend to do very well at it.

example?

[catmacros.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

This is one example of how they do it.


Ah, so you make bald statements with no evidence, even anecdotal, to support them? Humorous cat pictures do not count as argument.
 
2012-11-22 03:29:32 AM

Mike_LowELL: Kittypie070: Would you like to mainline a few of my hallucinogenic jellybeans?

They're Reaganistic.

My parents told me never to take candy from liberals.


REAAAAGAAAAAN. Reagan Reagan REAGAN!!

See? I'm not dead and I didn't asplode into flames upon invoking The Reagan.

They're freedom flavoured hallucinogenic jellybeans. You're really missing out.
 
2012-11-22 03:29:38 AM

HBK: The All-Powerful Atheismo: HBK: The All-Powerful Atheismo: muck1969: but logic is hard to fight.

libertarians tend to do very well at it.

example?

[catmacros.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

This is one example of how they do it.

Ah, so you make bald statements with no evidence, even anecdotal, to support them? Humorous cat pictures do not count as argument.


Lol, Of course I have evidence, anecdotal as well. However, you're not worth a stupid argument. Nor is this thread about that.

If you are libertarian... and particularly, if you think the government should eliminate any of the following: FDA, USDA, ED, EPA, etc... I weep for you. I do not "argue" with you.
 
2012-11-22 03:29:38 AM

planes: French philosopher Blaise Pascal reasoned that even though God may not exist, you should wager that he does, because you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. (new window)


Which was poorly thought out. God will know you are faking belief and send you yo hell accordingly.
 
2012-11-22 03:30:00 AM

DisregardTheFollowing: It's late, and I'm drunk. But I'm pretty sure that under opposite circumstances, that still would have blown my mind.
That line of reasoning leads me to wonder why we do not worship Judas. If it wasn't for that guy, our Savior wouldn't have been provided the opportunity to die for my sins. It wasn't his fault anyway. As soon as he ate the morsel Jesus gave him, the devil entered him. Why did Jesus feed him the devil?


I remember being really really confused about the jesus thing as a kid. specifically, "why did jesus have to die for our sins? couldn't god just do something about or sins instead of letting his son die? wait, he didn't let him die, he made him die."

about the time I stared wondering about that I decided I'd rather sleep in on sundays.
 
2012-11-22 03:31:21 AM

j0ndas: You can say that it's scientifically impossible for life to evolve through random chance - because the odds are something like 1 over 10 to the 4000th power, or in other words, 1 over infinity


You could say that, if you were as sentient as a fern.
 
2012-11-22 03:31:28 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: They were Christian before it was cool


then they made it cool by papal decree
 
2012-11-22 03:31:47 AM

log_jammin: DisregardTheFollowing: It's late, and I'm drunk. But I'm pretty sure that under opposite circumstances, that still would have blown my mind.
That line of reasoning leads me to wonder why we do not worship Judas. If it wasn't for that guy, our Savior wouldn't have been provided the opportunity to die for my sins. It wasn't his fault anyway. As soon as he ate the morsel Jesus gave him, the devil entered him. Why did Jesus feed him the devil?

I remember being really really confused about the jesus thing as a kid. specifically, "why did jesus have to die for our sins? couldn't god just do something about or sins instead of letting his son die? wait, he didn't let him die, he made him die."

about the time I stared wondering about that I decided I'd rather sleep in on sundays.


I was tripped up very early on by the logical nonsense of the bible and about 80% of the things that occur in it, especially in Genesis and Exodus. And yes I was forced to go to sunday school as a kid.
 
HBK
2012-11-22 03:33:04 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Ah, so you make bald statements with no evidence, even anecdotal, to support them? Humorous cat pictures do not count as argument.

Lol, Of course I have evidence, anecdotal as well. However, you're not worth a stupid argument. Nor is this thread about that.



24.media.tumblr.com 

haha, you're so full of shiat you can't even make an argument.

/hotlinked
 
2012-11-22 03:33:51 AM

log_jammin: The All-Powerful Atheismo: They were Christian before it was cool

then they made it cool by papal decree


www.jesus-is-savior.com

The original ironic hat
 
2012-11-22 03:34:27 AM
They pitted Eric Hovind against a sixth-grader!? That wasn′t fair! Hovind isn′t even smarter than a fifth-grader, nor even this four-year-old for that matter!
 
2012-11-22 03:34:39 AM

HBK: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Ah, so you make bald statements with no evidence, even anecdotal, to support them? Humorous cat pictures do not count as argument.

Lol, Of course I have evidence, anecdotal as well. However, you're not worth a stupid argument. Nor is this thread about that.


[24.media.tumblr.com image 450x311] 

haha, you're so full of shiat you can't even make an argument.

/hotlinked


Hilarious. "Argue with me or you're wrong."

fark off.
 
2012-11-22 03:34:56 AM
Holy sh*te! I had to stop watching that. I KNOW it was making me dumber AND wasting my time.
 
2012-11-22 03:35:29 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Holy sh*te! I had to stop watching that. I KNOW it was making me dumber AND wasting my time.


And then you posted in a Fark religion thread. I guess you didn't learn your lesson.
 
HBK
2012-11-22 03:36:07 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: log_jammin: DisregardTheFollowing: It's late, and I'm drunk. But I'm pretty sure that under opposite circumstances, that still would have blown my mind.
That line of reasoning leads me to wonder why we do not worship Judas. If it wasn't for that guy, our Savior wouldn't have been provided the opportunity to die for my sins. It wasn't his fault anyway. As soon as he ate the morsel Jesus gave him, the devil entered him. Why did Jesus feed him the devil?

I remember being really really confused about the jesus thing as a kid. specifically, "why did jesus have to die for our sins? couldn't god just do something about or sins instead of letting his son die? wait, he didn't let him die, he made him die."

about the time I stared wondering about that I decided I'd rather sleep in on sundays.

I was tripped up very early on by the logical nonsense of the bible and about 80% of the things that occur in it, especially in Genesis and Exodus. And yes I was forced to go to sunday school as a kid.


Jews and Catholics both recognize most of the Old Testament, and especially Genesis to be allegories. Like Aesop's Fables.
 
2012-11-22 03:36:25 AM

planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x195]

French philosopher Blaise Pascal reasoned that even though God may not exist, you should wager that he does, because you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. (new window)


I find Pascal's wager offensive for two reasons:
1: It is an argument from fear.
2: It assumes that God is a complete moron who can't see into our hearts.
 
2012-11-22 03:36:36 AM

HBK: The All-Powerful Atheismo: log_jammin: DisregardTheFollowing: It's late, and I'm drunk. But I'm pretty sure that under opposite circumstances, that still would have blown my mind.
That line of reasoning leads me to wonder why we do not worship Judas. If it wasn't for that guy, our Savior wouldn't have been provided the opportunity to die for my sins. It wasn't his fault anyway. As soon as he ate the morsel Jesus gave him, the devil entered him. Why did Jesus feed him the devil?

I remember being really really confused about the jesus thing as a kid. specifically, "why did jesus have to die for our sins? couldn't god just do something about or sins instead of letting his son die? wait, he didn't let him die, he made him die."

about the time I stared wondering about that I decided I'd rather sleep in on sundays.

I was tripped up very early on by the logical nonsense of the bible and about 80% of the things that occur in it, especially in Genesis and Exodus. And yes I was forced to go to sunday school as a kid.

Jews and Catholics both recognize most of the Old Testament, and especially Genesis to be allegories. Like Aesop's Fables.


Really? All of them?
 
2012-11-22 03:37:08 AM
Kid: do you have proof that god exists?
Db: yes!
Kid: describe it.
Db: how can you question god's existence if you don't know everything?
Kid: that's valid and I haven't asked you to disprove my evidence that god doesn't exist. What is your evidence that god exists?
Db: look at it this way: if my beliefs are true and god is the source of everything, then your own existence is proof that god exists. Now tell me how my theory works without the existence of god.
Kid: that line of reasoning is circular and common among Christians.
Db: see? I totally win! Your dad is the douchebag!
 
2012-11-22 03:37:40 AM

Ed Grubermann: planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x195]

French philosopher Blaise Pascal reasoned that even though God may not exist, you should wager that he does, because you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. (new window)

I find Pascal's wager offensive for two reasons:
1: It is an argument from fear.
2: It assumes that God is a complete moron who can't see into our hearts.


Ahh but of God really CAN'T see into our hearts (maybe he's only semipotent?) then it sounds like a pretty sweet argument
 
2012-11-22 03:37:47 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Holy sh*te! I had to stop watching that. I KNOW it was making me dumber AND wasting my time.


What, fark? Yeah. *sigh*
 
2012-11-22 03:38:22 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: especially in Genesis and Exodus. And yes I was forced to go to sunday school as a kid.


Genesis and Exodus were just "stories" to me. I never, even as a kid, took them to be literal. at least I don't remember doing so.

but my family was never very religious. I was the only one who went to the church down the block as a kid. and even then it was only for about a year I think.
 
2012-11-22 03:40:43 AM

ciberido: DisregardTheFollowing: I find it very interesting that you pointed out that the Bible implies the existence of other gods. I've clearly got more reading to do. I did not know about the famous "problem of evil". Does that mean I can't turn a profit/Prophet for arriving at that theory independently?

Well, it's debated, but:

The Bible Confirms Other Gods

Other Gods

How Many Gods Does God Say There Are?

These are some of the arguments for and against.


All that those scriptures say to me is that the pop culture God worshiped today is every bit as imaginary as any other god that has been worshiped throughout history. The Bible dismissing every other god just makes the argument that there is no God stronger.
 
2012-11-22 03:41:28 AM

Gyrfalcon: Arguing with a religious person who insists there is a god because they know there is a god will get you exactly nowhere. However, arguing with a non-religious person who insists there is no god because they know there is no god will get you exactly the same place. And that's pretty much where this thread will end up. At the end of the day it DOES NOT MATTER if there is a god or there is not a god; what DOES matter, however, is how people react when challenged about the existence or non-existence of a deity.

There are and have always been people who accept the existence of a god and yet have drilled down to the finest points of science; there have been and are people who insist there is no god at all and yet behave as if some unknown force was driving them on as devoutly as if they believed in Jehovah. Atheism is not a prerequisite for hard-edged science and rationality; nor is religiousness a bar to scientific inquiry and skepticism. But the way people have been carrying on lately, it's going to become that way. Blindly rejecting religious thought simply BECAUSE it is religious is no more "open minded" than blindly rejecting scientific thought for the same reason.

Gregor Mendel was a monk. So was Roger Bacon. So was Martin Luther. Darwin got his start as a Unitarian preacher. It's not the god part that makes people bad thinkers; it's whether or not they can accept the idea that there are other ways of thinking. And that's not unique to religion.


Thank you for distilling the essence of what I've been trying to say on Fark all evening.. that is all.
 
HBK
2012-11-22 03:41:49 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Hilarious. "Argue with me or you're wrong."

fark off.


Wow, now I'm convinced you're an idiot.

You made a pointless political statement in a religion thread.

You couldn't make an argument to support your statement.

When people make odd statements in threads, I am legitimately interested in why they believe that and especially why they would shiat it in a thread that had nothing to do with the thread.

So go fark yourself or stop threadshiatting with your bullshiat political statements that: have nothing to do with the thread; and that you cannot muster a single argument to support.
 
2012-11-22 03:42:17 AM
wa4.images.onesite.com
 
2012-11-22 03:42:21 AM

HBK: Jews and Catholics both recognize most of the Old Testament, and especially Genesis to be allegories. Like Aesop's Fables


It's funny how the number of allegories expand along with scientific knowledge.

Just imagine if it was discovered that the world really is6000 years old and created in six days.
Would these "allegory" people be all, "Damn. I really thought that was an allegory! Now I'll have to revise my beliefs!" Or would they all say, "See! The Word of God TRUE!"

I think we all know the answer is that it will never be discovered that the world really is 6000 years old. But just for fun, try to imagine.
 
2012-11-22 03:42:25 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Feral_and_Preposterous: Holy sh*te! I had to stop watching that. I KNOW it was making me dumber AND wasting my time.

And then you posted in a Fark religion thread. I guess you didn't learn your lesson.


No, this is only a waste of time. From time to time I do learn things here. And the flames amuse me. If some Farker would have been there laying into that guy I think I would have watched it twice.
 
2012-11-22 03:42:29 AM

log_jammin: The All-Powerful Atheismo: especially in Genesis and Exodus. And yes I was forced to go to sunday school as a kid.

Genesis and Exodus were just "stories" to me. I never, even as a kid, took them to be literal. at least I don't remember doing so.

but my family was never very religious. I was the only one who went to the church down the block as a kid. and even then it was only for about a year I think.


If only the inanity stopped in those two books.
Logical absurdity abounds. Then one might well say "well they are just allegories" to which I would say, if you reduce everything in the book relating to god to an allegory or a moral, then that implies that there is no god, just stories about god. Which is fine, but then I could write a book about a magical fairy named Biggles who says "just be nice to each other" and it would be just as true as the bible.
 
2012-11-22 03:43:39 AM

log_jammin: Genesis and Exodus were just "stories" to me. I never, even as a kid, took them to be literal. at least I don't remember doing so.


Yeah, taking much of the bible literally is like trying to take Aesop's fables literally. If you listen to a fable and come away thinking, "But wait, that's not logical. Foxes can't talk", then the entire point had probably passed far over your head.
 
2012-11-22 03:45:10 AM
Once I understand 2+2=4, I no longer have to believe 2+2=4.

Once I understand 2+2=4, it is impossible for me to believe 2+2=5, regardless of the source, the peer pressure, the emotional and social torture, or whatever else you want to use to make me believe it.
 
HBK
2012-11-22 03:46:02 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: HBK: The All-Powerful Atheismo: log_jammin: DisregardTheFollowing: It's late, and I'm drunk. But I'm pretty sure that under opposite circumstances, that still would have blown my mind.
That line of reasoning leads me to wonder why we do not worship Judas. If it wasn't for that guy, our Savior wouldn't have been provided the opportunity to die for my sins. It wasn't his fault anyway. As soon as he ate the morsel Jesus gave him, the devil entered him. Why did Jesus feed him the devil?

I remember being really really confused about the jesus thing as a kid. specifically, "why did jesus have to die for our sins? couldn't god just do something about or sins instead of letting his son die? wait, he didn't let him die, he made him die."

about the time I stared wondering about that I decided I'd rather sleep in on sundays.

I was tripped up very early on by the logical nonsense of the bible and about 80% of the things that occur in it, especially in Genesis and Exodus. And yes I was forced to go to sunday school as a kid.

Jews and Catholics both recognize most of the Old Testament, and especially Genesis to be allegories. Like Aesop's Fables.

Really? All of them?


All of what?

All of the Jews? I have no idea. All of the Catholics? Then yes, if they are true Catholics.

All of the stories? Then no. Catholic dogma does back some of its stupid rules on the Old Testament- such as the anti-gay stuff and the anti-Onanism thing. But as far as Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, etc., the Catholics don't believe that actually happened.
 
2012-11-22 03:46:04 AM

HBK: The All-Powerful Atheismo:
Jews and Catholics both recognize most of the Old Testament, and especially Genesis to be allegories. Like Aesop's Fables.

 

Only when it's convenient. Prophesies of the Christ seem to be taken very literally.
 
2012-11-22 03:47:32 AM
Not a bible thumper here.

but in fairness he is describing "super essential darkness" described by the philosopher and theologian Dionysius. But as usual this idiot gets it wrong since as described it is only applicable to the argument "is there a god" or "what is god". I won't go into the logic of the argument because it makes absolutely no sense trying to apply it to the physical world. Which you can tell from this video
 
2012-11-22 03:48:28 AM

planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x195]

French philosopher Blaise Pascal reasoned that even though God may not exist, you should wager that he does, because you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. (new window)


Man, Jupiter's gonna be pissed off that Blaise didn't include him as an option.
 
2012-11-22 03:49:38 AM

HBK: Wow, now I'm convinced you're an idiot.


no, you're just a douchebag and I choose not to argue with you.

You made a pointless political statement in a religion thread.

it was intended to be biting, and it was hardly pointless. not my fault you disagree with it.

You couldn't make an argument to support your statement.

you are deliberately mistaking the fact that I choose not to argue with you about it with the sophomoric insinuation that I "can't".

When people make odd statements in threads, I am legitimately interested in why they believe that and especially why they would shiat it in a thread that had nothing to do with the thread.

oh so it's just an "odd" statement (despite the fact that it's rather mainstream among conservatives and liberals, and I used the word TEND) and you're interested. Fine.

So go fark yourself or stop threadshiatting with your bullshiat political statements that: have nothing to do with the thread; and that you cannot muster a single argument to support.

Oh so you're NOT just interested, because apparently it's "bullshiat". So you lied about your intentions. And you repeat the juvenile assertion that because I choose NOT to bring the argument into the thread... which you are trying to do... that I am incapable of doing so.

I repeat. fark off.
 
2012-11-22 03:50:55 AM

j0ndas: The correct answer is that there's no scientific proof for God. You can say that it's scientifically impossible for life to evolve through random chance - because the odds are something like 1 over 10 to the 4000th power, or in other words, 1 over infinity - but God still has to be believed in, if for no other reason than you can't be sure -whose- God created things. The God of Christianity is massively different from the God of Islam, for instance. The "Jesus" of Islam is more or less identical to the Antichrist of Christianity.

Atheism, incidently, is a religion too. It's a just a religion that replaces God with self. Atheists are some of the least tolerant people there are when it comes to other religions, and atheist nations have historically killed more people than all religious wars combined.


Bald, incidentally, is a hair color.
 
2012-11-22 03:58:59 AM

j0ndas: The correct answer is that there's no scientific proof for God. You can say that it's scientifically impossible for life to evolve through random chance - because the odds are something like 1 over 10 to the 4000th power, or in other words, 1 over infinity - but God still has to be believed in, if for no other reason than you can't be sure -whose- God created things. The God of Christianity is massively different from the God of Islam, for instance. The "Jesus" of Islam is more or less identical to the Antichrist of Christianity.

Atheism, incidently, is a religion too. It's a just a religion that replaces God with self. Atheists are some of the least tolerant people there are when it comes to other religions, and atheist nations have historically killed more people than all religious wars combined.


Which atheist nation would that be?

/or did you pull all that out your ass
 
2012-11-22 03:58:59 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: What the god-pushing f*ckwit was trying to express is a fundamentally held belief among Christians who have examined their faith: You cannot prove god, but you cannot know anything unless it is revealed to you by god. Even if you don't acknowledge god's existence, god exists because if he didn't you wouldn't be sentient.

Circular reasoning at its best. And this guy can't even express his own flawed reasoning. Probably because he's perfectly content living an unexamined life.


Why is it that when I disagree with a fundie they always start talking in a certain tone of voice that tries to convey excitement of their beliefs?
 
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