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2012-11-22 02:28:46 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I don't even know what I know - how can I possibly know what I believe?


Don't know much about history, don't know much biology, don't know much about a science book, don't know much about the French I took.
 
2012-11-22 02:28:48 AM
Scientists are not out to prove there is no god, rather they are out to find scientific explanations for everything. Either god is beyond the rules of science and they will never figure him out, or he isn't, in which case scientists will explain him, or he doesn't exist. What frustrates fundamentalists is that science keeps finding scientific explanations for things that they had credited with being under the influence of a supernatural cause. It's the big game.

Atheists are just paying attention to the score card, while fundamentalists keep looking up at the scoreboard saying, there is still time left. We can win this, even if it takes a miracle.

If power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, how could we have an omnipotent god that wasn't totally corrupt?
 
2012-11-22 02:29:31 AM

Smackledorfer: eraser8: In other words, science has shown that a god is unnecessary for our existence

Science hasn't though (and correct me if I'm wrong on that one). We don't have an explanation for how something could come from nothing, nor can we fathom how something could have always been.


I'm going to correct you because you're wrong: quantum field theory has demonstrated absolutely that something can come from nothing.
 
2012-11-22 02:29:38 AM

cyberspacedout: Ed Finnerty: If God doesn't exist, who is making me type this?

I am.

It's called psychokinesis. Look it up.


He can't look it up --- unless you make him.
 
2012-11-22 02:30:46 AM

GBmanNC: No, an atheist would spend all of their time telling the agnostic that he's really an atheist because the "agnostic" doesn't understand the meaning of words. Being agnostic means believing one cannot have knowledge of something. Just about all atheists are agnostic, including someone who says it doesn't matter whether a god exists. One CAN be a gnostic atheist, which means they KNOW god doesn't exist, but I have never run into someone who says they know for a fact a god does not exist.



Josh, I had no idea. thanks for enlightening me.
 
2012-11-22 02:31:43 AM
josh?
 
2012-11-22 02:31:45 AM

SevenizGud: reklamfox: only a total penis would give mankind the gift of free will, then punish us for all eternity for not using it exactly how he wants us to

Freewill? What's that? There is no free will.


So a large majority of us are born destined to be thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity by a dickhead God with a ruthless sense of humor, and there is nothing we can do about it? We have no choice in the matter? We as human beings have no control whatsoever over our lives, our thoughts and our actions? We're all just puppets on strings, living out our days until the moment God decides to smash our meaningless lives out of existence. Thats even worse! This Christian god is making it very hard to worship him.
 
2012-11-22 02:32:17 AM

eraser8: gremlin1: I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.

Why?

Serious question, by the way.

I asked a similar question earlier in the day...and, just as I said then, I'm not asking to argue with you or demean your beliefs. I just want to understand.


To answer your question, at least for me: Because it's scary to think we're just here because of science. It's scary to know that you're going to die on day, your body is going to rot, and you have no soul; there is no Heaven; there will be no reuniting of loved ones passed. Once you're dead - that's it. Game over. Nothing more. And I'm not sure if scary is the word.. I think "disappointing" might be more appropriate.

I'm a flip-flopper when it comes to religion. I want to believe in God because that's what's expected of me. And during the good times in life, I feel like there is a God. But there are times when I sit back and wonder how one invisible sky wizard can hurt/help billions of people at one time. And there are too many questions that go unanswered by churches in general about the book they preach about.

When the shiat hits the fan, I truly don't believe there can be a God. I mean, we've all been dealt with pretty awful hands from time to time, but I don't buy into the whole "He's testing your faith" bullshiat. Why would a God kill a close family member - someone who absolutely 100% believes in Him with all their being - to test my faith? fark that noise, man.

As I said earlier this week, my views on religion and God change with the wind. Some days I believe. There's no concrete reason why. Other days, I don't. *shrug*
 
2012-11-22 02:32:18 AM
THE DEVIL MADE ME TYPE JOSH INSTEAD OF GOSH!!!!
 
2012-11-22 02:32:21 AM
Scripture (loosely quoted) says: There is only one God, He created all things, and in Him there is no evil. So if that's true, where did evil come from? Can you make an argument that evil doesn't exist?
 
2012-11-22 02:33:05 AM

propasaurus: Earguy: Mike_LowELL: I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.

I heard a lot of nonsensical arguing, and when the adult got tested, he reverted quickly to "his dad put him up to this." The kid, however, was not willing to listen or consider a differing opinion. Even if it was stupid. Instead of listening to the answer, he was more interested in firing off another shot.

Ultimately, no minds were changed that day, there was no enlightenment or self examination by anyone in the room.

That's one of the worst 'both sides are bad' I've ever seen.


So when the kid asks him, "what do you mean" in an attempt to get him to clarify his point at about 2:30 in the video, he's not listening to the answer or trying to understand, just waiting to fire another shot? The kid was totally willing and did listen to a different opinion. Watch it again and pay attention to the amount of time the kid talks in relation to the adult.

Did you even watch the video? The kid totally lets him ramble forever, then asks him questions. I'm 43 and I wouldn't have allowed him that much time to ramble incoherently. When he tried to buy more time by asking me my name again I would have told him he'd never be certain what my name was unless his God told him my name.
 
2012-11-22 02:33:11 AM
Chaide: I guess I'm agnostic because the realistic side of me sees no evidence of a god (at least in the sense that a mainstream religion would like me to). Still, I'd be willing to accept a higher power, should one poke its head into reality in an indisputible fashion. Unlikely

I've watched too much good sci-fi over the years so I would still be skeptical (in secret probably though, depending on the demeanor of the higher power that's poking their heads in).

EX: something shows up, says "I'm god", ok, how do we know that this is really God?

In Bablylon 5, [when kosh (a member of an advanced alien race) is revealed in his true form, people of different races see him differently (as a representation of their own god)].

So how can we be sure that it's a real god and not just some super powerful alien? 

www.jennysb5world.3owl.com
 
2012-11-22 02:33:20 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Circular reasoning at its best. And this guy can't even express his own flawed reasoning. Probably because he's perfectly content living an unexamined life.


Eric Hovind is the lesser spawn of a lesser religious idiot.
 
2012-11-22 02:33:21 AM

nmrsnr: Benevolent Misanthrope: What the god-pushing f*ckwit was trying to express is a fundamentally held belief among Christians who have examined their faith: You cannot prove god, but you cannot know anything unless it is revealed to you by god. Even if you don't acknowledge god's existence, god exists because if he didn't you wouldn't be sentient.

Circular reasoning at its best. And this guy can't even express his own flawed reasoning. Probably because he's perfectly content living an unexamined life.

I heard it a little differently, but that may be because of an actual conversation I had with my uber-religious freshman year roommate. His argument (and the one I think that was attempted here) is this:

1) You admit that you may be wrong about what you perceive (any scientist worth their salt will admit as much, like the child's father).
2) Since you admit that you cannot, with 100% certainty, claim absolute knowledge of the Universe, you admit that it is possible that god exists.
3) On the other hand, were there a perfect being with perfect knowledge, and he revealed it to you, you wouldn't have any uncertainty about the universe, since the perfect being revealed knowledge to you. (This is the guy in the video's 2+2=4 analogy)
4) Since the Bible is the revealed word of the perfect being that is god, I have no uncertainty about god's existence.
5) Since I have no uncertainty, that proves that the revelation came from god. While your uncertainty allows for god to exist, my certainty does not allow for god to not exist, therefore god must exist, because I am certain of his existence. QED

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find the logical flaws in that argument (I couldn't get my roommate to see them, though).


I... I see the light...!

And it is..

No light at all...?

I've lost all faith in humanity. None of us are any better than our component parts. Therefore, there must be no God and by extension, no heart, no compassion... no such thing as humanity.

Is that what you want to hear? :p
 
2012-11-22 02:33:25 AM

eraser8: Smackledorfer: eraser8: In other words, science has shown that a god is unnecessary for our existence

Science hasn't though (and correct me if I'm wrong on that one). We don't have an explanation for how something could come from nothing, nor can we fathom how something could have always been.

I'm going to correct you because you're wrong: quantum field theory has demonstrated absolutely that something can come from nothing.


I am no expert, but I have seen every episode of th Big Bang Theory. That seems to violate the laws of thermodynamics as I understand them.
 
2012-11-22 02:34:16 AM

HoratioGates: Scientists are not out to prove there is no god, rather they are out to find scientific explanations for everything. Either god is beyond the rules of science and they will never figure him out, or he isn't, in which case scientists will explain him, or he doesn't exist. What frustrates fundamentalists is that science keeps finding scientific explanations for things that they had credited with being under the influence of a supernatural cause. It's the big game.

Atheists are just paying attention to the score card, while fundamentalists keep looking up at the scoreboard saying, there is still time left. We can win this, even if it takes a miracle.

If power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, how could we have an omnipotent god that wasn't totally corrupt?


+1
 
2012-11-22 02:34:17 AM
And my gift to you all as I exit this thread:

Theist: believes in one or more gods.
Atheist: everyone else. This includes people who are unsure.

Gnostic: believes that it can be known for sure that god(s) exists.
Agnostic: believes that it can never be known for sure.

Everyone is either a theist or an atheist AND either gnostic or agnostic.

I'm a gnostic atheist. I believe you could know for sure if a god exists, but I don't know for sure that one exists, so I have no affirmative belief that there is a god and am thus an atheist.

Obviously (heh) you can never know for sure that a god doesn't exist (given that a god by definition could certainly be as nebulous and hidden as it wanted), but unless you completely distrust your senses you could certainly meet god, have a conversation, watch a few miracles, and be enlightened :P When that happens to me I will become a theist.
 
2012-11-22 02:35:11 AM

SevenizGud: Even more awkward will be when the little shiat descends to hell to burn in agony for all eternity.


Naw, hell has been in a cooling trend for the past 15 years. By the time the kid gets there it will probably have frozen over already.
 
2012-11-22 02:35:20 AM

RedPhoenix122: SevenizGud: Even more awkward will be when the little shiat descends to hell to burn in agony for all eternity.

But enough about the creationist.


Thank God nobody mentioned the banana nightmare.
 
2012-11-22 02:35:44 AM

Ambivalence: How come agnostics are never represented in these debates. I have some pretty good arguments why the entire question of whether God exists or doesn't farking matter.


Your username is fitting.
 
2012-11-22 02:35:59 AM

gremlin1: These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.


Blasphemer! The Earth is only 6000 years old, as you should well know!

\it started on a Tuesday
\\around 4 in the afternoon
 
2012-11-22 02:36:17 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: propasaurus: Earguy: Mike_LowELL: I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.

I heard a lot of nonsensical arguing, and when the adult got tested, he reverted quickly to "his dad put him up to this." The kid, however, was not willing to listen or consider a differing opinion. Even if it was stupid. Instead of listening to the answer, he was more interested in firing off another shot.

Ultimately, no minds were changed that day, there was no enlightenment or self examination by anyone in the room.

That's one of the worst 'both sides are bad' I've ever seen.

So when the kid asks him, "what do you mean" in an attempt to get him to clarify his point at about 2:30 in the video, he's not listening to the answer or trying to understand, just waiting to fire another shot? The kid was totally willing and did listen to a different opinion. Watch it again and pay attention to the amount of time the kid talks in relation to the adult.

Did you even watch the video? The kid totally lets him ramble forever, then asks him questions. I'm 43 and I wouldn't have allowed him that much time to ramble incoherently. When he tried to buy more time by asking me my name again I would have told him he'd never be certain what my name was unless his God told him my name.


I think you're responding to the wrong guy.
 
2012-11-22 02:37:28 AM

Rent Party: To tell why it's so awe inspiringly (is that a word?) beautiful. To tell us why we love our mothers and remember fondly grandma even though she's been dead for 30 years.


All that can be explained by chemical reactions. It might lack the romanticism of religion...but, we can explain it. No god necessary.

Rent Party: That depends. If you consider...


I think this is where we have to part company. I don't think it matters what I consider (a better word would probably be "assume") to be true. If I choose to believe that "we are greater than the sum of our parts" then I'm trying to understand the universe by working backwards from a conclusion. In that case, I wouldn't be looking for the truth; I'd be looking for a way to justify my beliefs.
 
2012-11-22 02:37:47 AM
Has anyone heard yet what the Creationists are going to say in a few weeks when NASA announces they've found signs of life on Mars?
 
2012-11-22 02:38:27 AM
You can't prove that god exists. You can't prove he DOESN'T exist.

All arguments are invalid at that point. Personally, I believe he does. But I don't believe on pushing my belief on others.I believe it's actually quite offensive to do so.


/stupid christians are just as bad as stupid atheists
 
2012-11-22 02:38:40 AM

Earguy: I heard a lot of nonsensical arguing, and when the adult got tested, he reverted quickly to "his dad put him up to this." The kid, however, was not willing to listen or consider a differing opinion. Even if it was stupid. Instead of listening to the answer, he was more interested in firing off another shot.


Of course he did not consider a second opinion. He is a liberal. Liberal is latin for "he who is smelly and poor". I can assure you that Eric Hovind has considered every side of every issue before accepting that Jesus is our Lord and Savior, and that it is not to be questioned.

naughtyrev: Weak troll. You should've put more effort into supporting douchebag than calling a child who won a debate whiny.


You would be wise to reread my post. In thirty years, it will be the world foundation for all academic studies. In fifty years, it will merge with the technological singularity and the singularity will declare me your king. This is not theory. This is inevitable.

Pocket Ninja: See, vocalized pauses are like a clinch in boxing...it's what a defeated opponent does to buy himself time. I've often thought about studying linguistics, and that's a fact of the science. And here's another fact: the higher pitched someone's voice gets in an argument, they more they know they're losing. Listen the video again, and now listen to their voice tones. Tell me who sounds like the frantic, defeated loser.


This is absolutely correct. However, I think it is worth mentioning that liberals are actually using this to their advantage. One of the things that liberals now do before debates is inhale helium, in order to make their voice higher-pitched. Since they know their arguments are bogus, they will delegitimize their own failed arguments, which will actually endear people to the liberal position. I do not know if the child inhaled helium before this footage was taken, but we cannot discount the possibility.

Kittypie070: Has Mike_LoWELL been freebasing Cheetos?

His performance art is a mite lacking today.


www.learntocounter.com

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2012-11-22 02:38:42 AM
As an aside, has anyone going ever gone to TAM? I am thinking about going next year...
 
2012-11-22 02:38:57 AM

Evil High Priest: gremlin1: These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.

Blasphemer! The Earth is only 6000 years old, as you should well know!

\it started on a Tuesday
\\around 4 in the afternoon


Wrong, it was Sunday, Oct 21, 4004 B.C. about 9 A.M., because God liked to get work done early in the morning while he was feeling fresh.
 
2012-11-22 02:38:58 AM

This About That: I don't think creationist guy knows enough to state the question, but he seems to be saying that one can't prove God does not exist, which requires proving a negative, without knowing "everything", which would allow one to know that "everything" doesn't include God. Mr. Creationist conflates evasion and stopping the debate with with "winning".


This is called an epistemological argument and philosophers have been using this for centuries.

It's also bullshiat.
 
2012-11-22 02:39:21 AM

gremlin1: I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.


You sound deist.


Yogimus: The best part about having faith is that it does not require constant validation through argument.


Or thinking.
 
2012-11-22 02:39:22 AM

Notabunny: Has anyone heard yet what the Creationists are going to say in a few weeks when NASA announces they've found signs of life on Mars?


"Proof that god is everywhere" is my guess.
 
2012-11-22 02:39:58 AM

Ed Finnerty: If God doesn't exist, who is making me type this?


I am.
 
2012-11-22 02:40:03 AM
Also, I feel really stupid saying that I don't believe in God. It sounds like I'm saying I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy. I wouldn't say I don't believe in the tooth fairy, I would say there is no Tooth Fairy. I don't say I don't believe in God, I say there is no God.
 
2012-11-22 02:40:27 AM

eraser8: I'm going to correct you because you're wrong: quantum field theory has demonstrated absolutely that something can come from nothing.




As far as I was aware we could get SOMETHING from nothing, but we don't know if we could get everything from nothing (so perhaps I misspoke above) and we still can't get energy from nothing. So still no scientific explanation for how absolute nothing can create a big bang.

But then I didn't take physics at the university level, so I could be quite behind and in the dark on these things.
 
2012-11-22 02:41:28 AM

Yogimus: The best part about having faith is that it does not require constant validation through argument.


While the fellow in the video may not have come across well - because he didn't - some people do fail to realize that 'faith' is the key word. Some have faith in the Lord, faith that God is the creator and faith that accepting Jesus as one's savior is the path to Heaven. Faith is a personal belief. Some folks choose to hold on firmly to a scientific theory. Those folks have faith in that scientific theory. A scientific theory that is man made opinion but not proven fact. Faith is a big word, so is theory.
 
2012-11-22 02:41:46 AM

Notabunny: Has anyone heard yet what the Creationists are going to say in a few weeks when NASA announces they've found signs of life on Mars?


They're probably just going to announce the presence of water, is my guess.
 
2012-11-22 02:41:53 AM

kg2095: You are seriously funny. You aren't Larry David are you?


I am the head of Tiny Irregular Screws Incorporated, the world's fifth-leading manufacturer of the rare-but-dangerous "exploding irregular screw", which responds to structural stress by exploding. I do not know why construction companies buy these things, but if they buy them, I will continue to make them. As long as they are of high quality, and the exploding screws continue to explode, there will be demand for ones that have not.
 
2012-11-22 02:42:06 AM

Notabunny: Has anyone heard yet what the Creationists are going to say in a few weeks when NASA announces they've found signs of life on Mars?


I had a pastor years ago who taught that the parable of the lost sheep could be interpreted to mean that there are other planets with life out there. But ours is the only one that went astray, and so we're the ones the shepherd had to come save.
 
2012-11-22 02:42:07 AM

RedPhoenix122: Evil High Priest: gremlin1: These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.

Blasphemer! The Earth is only 6000 years old, as you should well know!

\it started on a Tuesday
\\around 4 in the afternoon

Wrong, it was Sunday, Oct 21, 4004 B.C. about 9 A.M., because God liked to get work done early in the morning while he was feeling fresh.


And work on the Sabbath?!

Trick question! The sabbath used to be saturday. But everything is sacred and traditional, so don't ever speak of it again.
 
2012-11-22 02:42:30 AM

log_jammin: THE DEVIL MADE ME TYPE JOSH INSTEAD OF GOSH!!!!


I'm telling Josh. And I think he'll be very hurt.
 
2012-11-22 02:42:48 AM

Evil High Priest: RedPhoenix122: Evil High Priest: gremlin1: These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.

Blasphemer! The Earth is only 6000 years old, as you should well know!

\it started on a Tuesday
\\around 4 in the afternoon

Wrong, it was Sunday, Oct 21, 4004 B.C. about 9 A.M., because God liked to get work done early in the morning while he was feeling fresh.

And work on the Sabbath?!

Trick question! The sabbath used to be saturday. But everything is sacred and traditional, so don't ever speak of it again.


Damn, I was hoping you'd get my reference. By the way, I'm wrong too.

By almost a quarter of an hour.
 
2012-11-22 02:43:08 AM
Arguing with a religious person who insists there is a god because they know there is a god will get you exactly nowhere. However, arguing with a non-religious person who insists there is no god because they know there is no god will get you exactly the same place. And that's pretty much where this thread will end up. At the end of the day it DOES NOT MATTER if there is a god or there is not a god; what DOES matter, however, is how people react when challenged about the existence or non-existence of a deity.

There are and have always been people who accept the existence of a god and yet have drilled down to the finest points of science; there have been and are people who insist there is no god at all and yet behave as if some unknown force was driving them on as devoutly as if they believed in Jehovah. Atheism is not a prerequisite for hard-edged science and rationality; nor is religiousness a bar to scientific inquiry and skepticism. But the way people have been carrying on lately, it's going to become that way. Blindly rejecting religious thought simply BECAUSE it is religious is no more "open minded" than blindly rejecting scientific thought for the same reason.

Gregor Mendel was a monk. So was Roger Bacon. So was Martin Luther. Darwin got his start as a Unitarian preacher. It's not the god part that makes people bad thinkers; it's whether or not they can accept the idea that there are other ways of thinking. And that's not unique to religion.
 
2012-11-22 02:44:46 AM

lordargent: So how can we be sure that it's a real god and not just some super powerful alien?


disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-11-22 02:44:58 AM

DisregardTheFollowing: Scripture (loosely quoted) says: There is only one God, He created all things, and in Him there is no evil. So if that's true, where did evil come from? Can you make an argument that evil doesn't exist?


Actually, as far as I know, the Christian Bible never specifically says that there is only one god. In fact, there are a number of places where it seems to imply that there is more than one. Modern Christians seem to believe that there is only one god, but so far as I know there's no "proof" that this is true.

What the Bible does say is that you should worship Jesus/Yaweh exclusively, or at least "above" all other gods.

Islam, on the other hand, is the Abrahamic religion that asserts that there is only one god.

And your question is basically the famous "problem of evil."
 
2012-11-22 02:45:14 AM

KrispyKritter: Yogimus: The best part about having faith is that it does not require constant validation through argument.

While the fellow in the video may not have come across well - because he didn't - some people do fail to realize that 'faith' is the key word. Some have faith in the Lord, faith that God is the creator and faith that accepting Jesus as one's savior is the path to Heaven. Faith is a personal belief. Some folks choose to hold on firmly to a scientific theory. Those folks have faith in that scientific theory. A scientific theory that is man made opinion but not proven fact. Faith is a big word, so is theory.


You don't know what "scientific theory" means.
 
2012-11-22 02:45:50 AM

Smackledorfer: eraser8: I'm going to correct you because you're wrong: quantum field theory has demonstrated absolutely that something can come from nothing.

As far as I was aware we could get SOMETHING from nothing, but we don't know if we could get everything from nothing (so perhaps I misspoke above) and we still can't get energy from nothing. So still no scientific explanation for how absolute nothing can create a big bang.

But then I didn't take physics at the university level, so I could be quite behind and in the dark on these things.


If you're really interested, a good primer on the subject is Stephen Hawking's latest book, The Grand Design.

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It's completely accessible to the layman (otherwise, I wouldn't have been able to understand it).
 
2012-11-22 02:46:00 AM

Smackledorfer: eraser8: In other words, science has shown that a god is unnecessary for our existence

Science hasn't though (and correct me if I'm wrong on that one). We don't have an explanation for how something could come from nothing, nor can we fathom how something could have always been.


And we've been scientifically studying this topic for how long? Tough questions can take a long time to answer. That's no reason to throw your hands up and proclaim that God dunnit.
 
2012-11-22 02:46:18 AM

RedPhoenix122: Evil High Priest: RedPhoenix122: Evil High Priest: gremlin1: These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.

Blasphemer! The Earth is only 6000 years old, as you should well know!

\it started on a Tuesday
\\around 4 in the afternoon

Wrong, it was Sunday, Oct 21, 4004 B.C. about 9 A.M., because God liked to get work done early in the morning while he was feeling fresh.

And work on the Sabbath?!

Trick question! The sabbath used to be saturday. But everything is sacred and traditional, so don't ever speak of it again.

Damn, I was hoping you'd get my reference. By the way, I'm wrong too.

By almost a quarter of an hour.


Shomer farking Shabbos.
 
2012-11-22 02:46:31 AM

lordargent: Chaide: I guess I'm agnostic because the realistic side of me sees no evidence of a god (at least in the sense that a mainstream religion would like me to). Still, I'd be willing to accept a higher power, should one poke its head into reality in an indisputible fashion. Unlikely

I've watched too much good sci-fi over the years so I would still be skeptical (in secret probably though, depending on the demeanor of the higher power that's poking their heads in).

EX: something shows up, says "I'm god", ok, how do we know that this is really God?

In Bablylon 5, [when kosh (a member of an advanced alien race) is revealed in his true form, people of different races see him differently (as a representation of their own god)].

So how can we be sure that it's a real god and not just some super powerful alien? 

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And this is a situation I've also considered, believe it or not.

When it comes down to it, I just can't be bothered to convince people why I believe the things I do. To me, it's perfectly logical to be unsure, as there's always more to determined. At the same time, it's not very logical for me to let those insecurities outweigh the cold, logical facts of science.

To me, being agnostic is simply being open to suggestion. Not open to manipulation.
 
2012-11-22 02:47:20 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Shomer farking Shabbos.


Stop hijacking my Good Omens reference with your Big Lebowski reference.
 
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