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(NBC News)   US abortions drop 5% over the last few years to the lowest numbers in a decade -- thanks to increased birth control usage caused by a recession   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 26
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2012-11-21 03:31:54 PM
11 votes:
Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?
2012-11-21 06:00:42 PM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: ...and yet, the churches will double down on the derp and tell us how bad birth control is, and how sinful abortions are, and that condoms are evil, and Jesus will provide for your quiverfull precious babies.


It's not about abortion, it is about punishing women for having sex.
2012-11-21 04:48:17 PM
2 votes:

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.
2012-11-21 04:45:32 PM
2 votes:

meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!


Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.
2012-11-21 04:37:38 PM
2 votes:

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Once you accept the fact that the religious righties aren't interested in "sanctity of life," or "protecting children," or even "adhering to the teachings of Jesus Christ," and realize they are interested in making sure there will always be lots of people that they can feel morally superior too and ostracize, then it all makes sense.
2012-11-21 03:54:57 PM
2 votes:

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Many on the religious right consider birth control pills and hormonal contraception to be the same as abortion. This is why you'll see people calling the morning after pill an "abortion pill", or accusing people seeking contraceptives to be murderers.

In addition, the religious right has the position that it should be up to the parents and churches to teach sexual education, and the only acceptable method of protection to be taught is abstinence until marriage. Homosexuality and Transgender issues should never be taught, as these are just people who made a sinful lifestyle choice in their eyes.

These people are convinced the bible supports them, and they are executing god's will on earth.

So good luck getting them on board with that.
2012-11-21 10:19:43 PM
1 votes:
GyrfalconBirth control pills work by REGULATING hormones, to make a woman's period occur regularly, so she knows when she'll be ovulating and can (theoretically) not have sex on those days. Miss a pill and you'll likely ovulate right away. You need to see a doctor because the pill can raise your blood pressure and increase the risk of blood clots in your legs, especially if you smoke or are at risk for clots for other reasons.

Actually, BC pills work by suppressing ovulation entirely. That's their primary mechanism of preventing conception. Your body thinks it's pregnant, so it doesn't release any eggs. The reason you have to take the pills at the same time each day, is that if the hormone levels fluctuate you can possibly ovulate. You were right there.

The "period" you have on BC is not a real period, where the uterine lining thickens in prep for babby, an egg is released, and the whole shebang is sloughed out when conception and implantation don't occur. On BC, it's breakthrough bleeding and it's done for two reasons. 1) If you don't get it, it's a reasonable indicator that you're pregnant and should get tested. 2) There are physicians that believe flushing out the reproductive tract like that is healthier than not. This is in some dispute.

Didn't mean to jump on you, but people need to know the truth so that bad opinions are avoided.
2012-11-21 09:33:32 PM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Slut shaming. It's always slut shaming


This /\

Its not about Idealism or Dogma or even the Bottom Line. Your logic is futile.

Its about CONTROL. If these troglodytes could get away with it they would push clitoral circumcision on women to "Protect them from Themselves".

They truly fear the power of the Va Jay-Jay.

/ Like most things they dont understand...
2012-11-21 09:22:04 PM
1 votes:

crazyeddie: You wrote that, but all I heard was

Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Goodbye!


He'll be back, with TF, and a different login, and say the same thing, and get 100 replies per thread he posts in.
2012-11-21 08:20:37 PM
1 votes:
I see a lot of strawmen here. Let me help some of you out, being an Evangelical myself.
1) only the catholic church says all birth control is sin. Some Evangelicals choose not to use it and say it's a sign of their faith that God will provide the means (and energy) to provide for all the children they may have. but they will typically not condemn other evangelical couples that are using birth control.
2) Abortion is the removal of an implanted zygote. The only pill I know of which does this is RU-486. Morning after pills do not. While most Evangelicals honestly don't know enough about biology to make this distinction for themselves, that is where most have drawn the line when the science is presented.
3) Every church I know of has some sort of funds going to single mothers, especially those who came to a "pregnancy counseling center" because they were considering abortion. Is it a token? Yes. But it is there.
4) most of us are opposed to comprehensive sex ed, true. I am not personally. I think it would go a lot better if sex ed wasn't a requirement in a given quarter of a given year, but rather parents got to pick an age in the range of 7th and 9th grade that their kid would take it. Most of our opposition really comes down to squeamishness and many of us say we'll tell our kids later but never really do.
2012-11-21 07:34:27 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: They'd be seeing a doctor for an entirely different reason.


The problem is finding a doctor to prescribe it. The US is years behind the EU in treatment of transgenderism. I'm just saying that OTC birth control pills would be a Godsend (Hah.) for more than just women.
2012-11-21 06:00:41 PM
1 votes:

MrEricSir: Given that most people are only religious if they're born into it, you can see why they'd be against any form of birth control.


And that sir, was the point I was trying to make way back at post number four.
2012-11-21 05:59:59 PM
1 votes:
I just ate a banana and did some math involving multiplications (some vector dot products).

So I have been fruitful and multiplied at least once today. (and it's not unusual that I do this several times each working day -- to shake things up a bit, I sometimes have an apple or pear, and mix in other linear algebra into it as well.)

I even get paid for the math part...

Looks like *I'm* going to heaven you losers...
2012-11-21 05:13:01 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Pincy: BronyMedic: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.

I don't agree with the decision of a woman to abort a perfectly healthy fetus just because it's not wanted.

But then again, it's not my decision, or my right to vilify someone for doing so.


Exactly, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks, it's up to the woman who is pregnant.
2012-11-21 05:10:48 PM
1 votes:

Pincy: BronyMedic: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.


I don't agree with the decision of a woman to abort a perfectly healthy fetus just because it's not wanted.

But then again, it's not my decision, or my right to vilify someone for doing so.
2012-11-21 05:09:13 PM
1 votes:

Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.


I'm definitely not opposed to this, but they probably shouldn't sell the once daily one over the counter. That might be to complicated for a lot of people (seriously). Perhaps the patch, or Walgreens should have birth control shot days like they have flu shot days. That would be extremely beneficial to our society and would *actually* be a proactive way to get people out of poverty.
2012-11-21 05:08:32 PM
1 votes:

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Last week I had to endure the misery of talking to a movement pro-lifer who actually believes that the "rise" in abortions since the 1970s was CAUSED by the availability of birth control. Something to the effect that, when the pill came on the market, women started taking it and having tons and tons of sex for the first time because they thought they were protected. But since the pill is actually VERY unreliable, those women were duped and ended up getting pregnant and having abortions. Ergo, we should forget about contraception altogether and go back to the good ol' days when women just kept their legs shut until their wedding night.

Ta-da!

Sadly, the idiot in question was a woman.
2012-11-21 05:05:58 PM
1 votes:

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Well the relgious right doesn't want to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Pregnancies are God's way of punishing women for being whores. If they can be free to have sex without pregnancy, then God's will is thwarted or some such garbage.

it's not pro-life, it's pro-punishing women. That's why you can publish all the studies in the world that show that women who have control over their reproduction are happier, healthier, and less prone to poverty and their response would be "So what? they should keep their legs shut".
2012-11-21 04:59:35 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: When elective abortions approach zero, many Christians will have absolutely no reason to vote Republican.


Nope. The next "enemy" will be porn, especially the Internet kind.
2012-11-21 04:49:52 PM
1 votes:

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


D) None of the above.
Obviously.
No abortions, no birth control, no sex education. Now, if they could just get a handle on humans' instinctual predisposition to fornicate, it'd be smooth sailing.
2012-11-21 04:47:23 PM
1 votes:
The reason for the decline wasn't clear, but some experts said it may be due to better use of birth control during tough economic times. Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant.

I would like to know the sales figures on the morning after pill.
2012-11-21 04:28:27 PM
1 votes:

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Slut shaming. It's always slut shaming
2012-11-21 04:24:36 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: These people are convinced the bible supports them, and they are executing god's will on earth.


They believe that opposing abortion is executing god's will. And they believe that having an abortion is executing god's will.
2012-11-21 04:20:36 PM
1 votes:
I'm not buying that reasoning...

If you are in a recession, you boink more, not less, since other forms of entertainment are reduced. You are also less likely to buy protection since you don't have the cash. Notice, TFA didn't quote any birth control sales numbers.

This reasoning also fails:
"Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant."

Well, duh, but that also makes it more likely they would get an abortion if they did get pregnant.

Personally, I do not think there is an easy cause/effect for these figures.

It could simply be the publicity Planned Parenthood got over threatened GOP cuts to their programs at the state and federal level and the whole Susan G, Komen kerfuffle. The more people know about the range of services PP has, the more people use them.

It could be gay marriage.

It could be the release of a few good video games causing unavailability of males for unintended procreation.

It could be the Olympics.

It could be the decline in immigration due to the economy.
2012-11-21 04:17:24 PM
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That's what libby liberal numbers say. I'm waiting to see these numbers run through unskewedpolls.com for the TRUTH!
2012-11-21 03:52:54 PM
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Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


I think the leadership of the GOP deliberately favors legislation that encourages more abortions, so they can have something to drive the evangelical vote.
 
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