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(NBC News)   US abortions drop 5% over the last few years to the lowest numbers in a decade -- thanks to increased birth control usage caused by a recession   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 143
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2012-11-21 05:26:52 PM
Pretty telling that pro-choice policies lead to fewer abortions. This is how hard modern conservative ideology fails.

"You've got to hold on loosely, but don't let go. If you squeeze too tightly, you're gonna lose control." - Barry Goldwater
 
2012-11-21 05:27:30 PM
Unemployed men who sit around the house in their tub socks watching Judge Judy are not as attractive to women as one might think.
 
2012-11-21 05:30:33 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ...and yet, the churches will double down on the derp and tell us how bad birth control is, and how sinful abortions are, and that condoms are evil, and Jesus will provide for your quiverfull precious babies.


Given that most people are only religious if they're born into it, you can see why they'd be against any form of birth control.
 
2012-11-21 05:36:06 PM
or the fact that darkie in DC will be taking care of his people and they just don't care

/yea, I keed

:)
 
2012-11-21 05:37:38 PM

Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.


While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?
 
2012-11-21 05:42:12 PM
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2012-11-21 05:44:16 PM

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Yea except for the decline in violent crime in the 90s was more because of the downturn in popularity of crack-cocaine, not the Roe v. Wade decision.
 
2012-11-21 05:45:36 PM
Problem is, the crazies see carefree sex to be just as evil as abortion.
 
2012-11-21 05:45:55 PM
What a horribly biased article! Can't we give SOME credit to stealth "abortion counseling services," mandatory waiting periods, invasive ultrasounds, picket gauntlets outside of abortion clinics, and murders of abortionists?
 
2012-11-21 05:46:15 PM
I prefer to believe that the thought of that long legged mack daddy occupying the white house is giving extreme right wingers a collective case of erectile dysfunction.
 
2012-11-21 05:59:59 PM
I just ate a banana and did some math involving multiplications (some vector dot products).

So I have been fruitful and multiplied at least once today. (and it's not unusual that I do this several times each working day -- to shake things up a bit, I sometimes have an apple or pear, and mix in other linear algebra into it as well.)

I even get paid for the math part...

Looks like *I'm* going to heaven you losers...
 
2012-11-21 06:00:41 PM

MrEricSir: Given that most people are only religious if they're born into it, you can see why they'd be against any form of birth control.


And that sir, was the point I was trying to make way back at post number four.
 
2012-11-21 06:00:42 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ...and yet, the churches will double down on the derp and tell us how bad birth control is, and how sinful abortions are, and that condoms are evil, and Jesus will provide for your quiverfull precious babies.


It's not about abortion, it is about punishing women for having sex.
 
2012-11-21 06:02:52 PM

PreMortem: LoneWolf343: meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.

I wonder what the infant mortality rate was thousands of years ago. Might have been a good idea to hump like bunnies just to get a few to live past 5.

(the US is probably still worse than that)


I don't know, but I do know that during the Dark Ages, life expectancy was 30. I don't imagine that it was much better back in Ancient Israel.
 
2012-11-21 06:04:50 PM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


That's nice for Jews, but I'd like the see the logic of our current bacon and shellfish eaters.

/I know, the answer is "holy war cannon fodder"
 
2012-11-21 06:06:00 PM

GhostFish: Problem is, the crazies see carefree sex to be just as evil as abortion.


can someone explain to me how those same nutty bastards dont have a dozen kids?
they clearly are unable to use BC or abortion, therefore they must not be having sex, right?
RIGHT?

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
god I hate those people
 
2012-11-21 06:06:34 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Where else will they get footsoldiers for their crusades??
 
2012-11-21 06:07:24 PM
Oh come on, like being called a whore by screaming toothless hillbillies waving vulgar photos of baby corpses didn't contribute like 10000% to that.
 
2012-11-21 06:14:54 PM
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2012-11-21 06:15:34 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Knowledge and control all in our hands?

You'd make gods of us all. Our beliefs would become mere opinions needing substantiation.
 
2012-11-21 06:18:24 PM

palelizard: Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.

While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?


I understand your reasoning, but most state run health departments already give out BC for free. If I walked into my town's health department and asked for a pack, they would give me a month's supply for free, no questions asked and no doctor needed.

Actually, I go to the health department once a year and get a 13 month supply for free and there is no real assessment from a doctor. They do the customary pap smear, but there are really no "tests" or questionnaires to determine if BC is bad for you, like with other medications. The risk is assumed like with every other medication that OTC, but as far as I know there are no really serious side effects from BC besides sore boobs and some minor hair loss (but I could be wrong about that). Point is, it's actually significantly LESS harmful than a lot of OTC medications, and the doc visits that most women go to in order to get a prescription are actually screening for cancer. I absolutely support BC being an OTC medication!
 
2012-11-21 06:25:21 PM

palelizard: Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.

While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?


There are plenty of OTC meds that can kill or cause severe organ damage if misused.
 
2012-11-21 06:27:01 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


They can also be "virtually" eliminated by providing almost no access to abortion providers, emphasizing abstinence, and having a really high teen birth rate:

Mississippi had the lowest abortion rate, at 4 per 1,000 women of child-bearing age. The state also had only a couple of abortion providers, and has the nation's highest teen birth rate.
 
2012-11-21 06:32:55 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

You seem to be confused as to the position of the religious right, as it relates to the relationship between abortion, sex ed and birth control.


The religious right is opposed "explicit sex education", i.e. sex education that actually talks about sex, has handouts with diagrams of the human reproductive tract, etc. So education about the use of birth control is out of the question. The religious right defends the right of a pharmacist to refuse to fill a prescription for birth control and also refuse to return the script so that a patient can try again elsewhere. And in several states, the religious right has backed personhood legislation that would, among other things, ban hormonal birth control and IUDs, which just happen to be the most effective forms of contraception. So, yes, the religious right is opposed to birth control.
 
2012-11-21 06:32:59 PM
For whatever reason, the anti-abortion/anti-birth control crowd are not likely to be happy that abortions are down unless it's because abortions are illegal and not being performed. The best I can figure out, abortion foes are not "pro-baby" they are ONLY anti-abortion. In fact, they are not even really anti-woman; they're just anti-abortion. What they want is for there to be no abortions, period. Secondarily, they want there to be no birth control, because they see it (wrongly) as a kind of abortion, since the tripe they sell is that birth control pills keep the fetus from attaching to the uterus wall.

They may talk all day long about how a fetus is a baby and babies have a right to live; but if they really thought that, they'd be showing pictures of happy babies, not torn-up fetuses. They just DON'T WANT ABORTIONS. And so they won't care if there are fewer abortions--they want ZERO abortions, and they want the reason to be that abortions are illegal and none are being done, including those done by birth control. End of story.
 
2012-11-21 06:33:57 PM

HotWingConspiracy: "You've got to hold on loosely, but don't let go. If you squeeze too tightly, you're gonna lose control." - Barry Goldwater


I sharted.
 
2012-11-21 06:37:18 PM

Raoul Eaton: They can also be "virtually" eliminated by providing almost no access to abortion providers, emphasizing abstinence, and having a really high teen birth rate:

Mississippi had the lowest abortion rate, at 4 per 1,000 women of child-bearing age. The state also had only a couple of abortion providers, and has the nation's highest teen birth rate.


I'd argue that the shiatty economy makes teen girls desire to be moms because a lot of teen girls think they can better their situation by having children.

Little girls toys:
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Little boys toys:
www.randfarmpark.com
image.made-in-china.com
lh4.ggpht.com

And We wonder why there is a teen pregnancy problem in this country.
And an image problem too
 
2012-11-21 06:41:03 PM
You know how they spend money buying supplies to make protest signs..

scene7.samsclub.com

Up to 144 abortions aborted for less than the cost of making the signs.
 
2012-11-21 06:43:24 PM

reklamfox: I understand your reasoning, but most state run health departments already give out BC for free. If I walked into my town's health department and asked for a pack, they would give me a month's supply for free, no questions asked and no doctor needed.


In what state?
 
2012-11-21 06:56:40 PM

palelizard: Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.

While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?


Well, yes and no.

Birth control pills work by REGULATING hormones, to make a woman's period occur regularly, so she knows when she'll be ovulating and can (theoretically) not have sex on those days. Miss a pill and you'll likely ovulate right away. You need to see a doctor because the pill can raise your blood pressure and increase the risk of blood clots in your legs, especially if you smoke or are at risk for clots for other reasons.

But the real reason you need to see a doctor if you're on the pill is because you're probably sexually active and need regular pap smears and pelvic exams to check for STDs, not necessarily because of using birth control. You'd need to see your doctor if you were using a diaphragm, just the same.
 
2012-11-21 06:59:40 PM

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Have that book on the shelf right here. I assume you referring to that stats supporting the absolutely insane theory that unwanted children contribute to increased crime rates. Who could have possibly imagined that adults having children they don't want would have a downside.
 
2012-11-21 07:09:34 PM

pciszek: reklamfox: I understand your reasoning, but most state run health departments already give out BC for free. If I walked into my town's health department and asked for a pack, they would give me a month's supply for free, no questions asked and no doctor needed.

In what state?


I'm in SW Virginia. It's surprising that they offer free reproductive services at all, but the health department in my town is freakin' fantastic.
 
2012-11-21 07:10:52 PM

Gyrfalcon: But the real reason you need to see a doctor if you're on the pill is because you're probably sexually active and need regular pap smears and pelvic exams to check for STDs, not necessarily because of using birth control. You'd need to see your doctor if you were using a diaphragm, just the same.


Well, that and men who are transitioning can use hormonal birth control combined with testosterone and other androgen blockers to "feminize" their body.
 
2012-11-21 07:19:08 PM
I read estimates earlier that there were 4 million births in the US last year and 1.1 million abortions. I find the numbers are "interesting".
 
2012-11-21 07:30:29 PM
So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits
 
2012-11-21 07:32:53 PM

BronyMedic: Gyrfalcon: But the real reason you need to see a doctor if you're on the pill is because you're probably sexually active and need regular pap smears and pelvic exams to check for STDs, not necessarily because of using birth control. You'd need to see your doctor if you were using a diaphragm, just the same.

Well, that and men who are transitioning can use hormonal birth control combined with testosterone and other androgen blockers to "feminize" their body.


I'm assuming they're not using it to prevent pregnancy. They'd be seeing a doctor for an entirely different reason.
 
2012-11-21 07:34:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: They'd be seeing a doctor for an entirely different reason.


The problem is finding a doctor to prescribe it. The US is years behind the EU in treatment of transgenderism. I'm just saying that OTC birth control pills would be a Godsend (Hah.) for more than just women.
 
2012-11-21 07:37:16 PM

Chakro: I read estimates earlier that there were 4 million births in the US last year and 1.1 million abortions. I find the numbers are "interesting".


Even more interesting when you figure some of those abortions must happen to Republican women as Texas is #3 of the states with most abortions.
 
2012-11-21 07:38:16 PM

mrshowrules: Have that book on the shelf right here. I assume you referring to that stats supporting the absolutely insane theory that unwanted children contribute to increased crime rates. Who could have possibly imagined that adults having children they don't want would have a downside.



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2012-11-21 07:45:11 PM
One of the things about right-wing ideologues that pisses me off the most is the either believe or project that people who want abortion legal actually like abortion, like Mr(s). Garrison on South Park. No one likes abortion. Everyone I know who has ever had one is crushed by it and wishes they didn't have to.
 
2012-11-21 07:47:03 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: mrshowrules: Have that book on the shelf right here. I assume you referring to that stats supporting the absolutely insane theory that unwanted children contribute to increased crime rates. Who could have possibly imagined that adults having children they don't want would have a downside.


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2012-11-21 07:51:42 PM
More tax cuts for the 1% and lots more legitimate rape.
 
2012-11-21 07:52:46 PM

The Name: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Last week I had to endure the misery of talking to a movement pro-lifer who actually believes that the "rise" in abortions since the 1970s was CAUSED by the availability of birth control. Something to the effect that, when the pill came on the market, women started taking it and having tons and tons of sex for the first time because they thought they were protected. But since the pill is actually VERY unreliable, those women were duped and ended up getting pregnant and having abortions. Ergo, we should forget about contraception altogether and go back to the good ol' days when women just kept their legs shut until their wedding night.

Ta-da!

Sadly, the idiot in question was a woman.


The question is, an attractive woman or one who clearly was never able to get any, much less get her way by offering any?

"You ever notice that most of the people who are against abortions are people you wouldn't want to fark in the first place?"
--Carlin
 
2012-11-21 07:53:24 PM

hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits


1) You say "farking like rabbits" like it's a bad thing.

2) abortions or birth control. Guess which one is cheaper, probably by at least an order of magnitude.
 
2012-11-21 07:53:57 PM
OK, as long as this news doesn't affect the supply of miniature American flags.
 
2012-11-21 08:20:37 PM
I see a lot of strawmen here. Let me help some of you out, being an Evangelical myself.
1) only the catholic church says all birth control is sin. Some Evangelicals choose not to use it and say it's a sign of their faith that God will provide the means (and energy) to provide for all the children they may have. but they will typically not condemn other evangelical couples that are using birth control.
2) Abortion is the removal of an implanted zygote. The only pill I know of which does this is RU-486. Morning after pills do not. While most Evangelicals honestly don't know enough about biology to make this distinction for themselves, that is where most have drawn the line when the science is presented.
3) Every church I know of has some sort of funds going to single mothers, especially those who came to a "pregnancy counseling center" because they were considering abortion. Is it a token? Yes. But it is there.
4) most of us are opposed to comprehensive sex ed, true. I am not personally. I think it would go a lot better if sex ed wasn't a requirement in a given quarter of a given year, but rather parents got to pick an age in the range of 7th and 9th grade that their kid would take it. Most of our opposition really comes down to squeamishness and many of us say we'll tell our kids later but never really do.
 
2012-11-21 08:44:09 PM

BSABSVR: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Slut shaming. It's always slut shaming


Bingo. If right wing pukes were "pro-life", they wouldn't be clamoring to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
 
2012-11-21 08:44:54 PM

zarberg: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

1) You say "farking like rabbits" like it's a bad thing.

2) abortions or birth control. Guess which one is cheaper, probably by at least an order of magnitude.


Anal.
 
2012-11-21 08:57:29 PM
any infanticide is too much.

how about, instead of making excuses for easy women, we teach them to, you know, have some pride, and not give it up for any guy who comes calling?

Abortion: helping women avoid the consequences of poor decisions since 1974.
 
2012-11-21 09:00:39 PM

hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits


Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?
 
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