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(NBC News)   US abortions drop 5% over the last few years to the lowest numbers in a decade -- thanks to increased birth control usage caused by a recession   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 143
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2012-11-21 03:31:54 PM
Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?
 
2012-11-21 03:32:44 PM
So, the GOP causes the recession, which leads to increased use of BC, which in turn cuts the number of unintended babies, and by extension, abortions.

This might be the GOP's new platform: Continued economic malaise as a means to eliminate abortions.
 
2012-11-21 03:33:36 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


They have but one bible to give.
 
2012-11-21 03:39:14 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


You seem to be confused as to the position of the religious right, as it relates to the relationship between abortion, sex ed and birth control.
 
2012-11-21 03:52:54 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


I think the leadership of the GOP deliberately favors legislation that encourages more abortions, so they can have something to drive the evangelical vote.
 
2012-11-21 03:54:57 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Many on the religious right consider birth control pills and hormonal contraception to be the same as abortion. This is why you'll see people calling the morning after pill an "abortion pill", or accusing people seeking contraceptives to be murderers.

In addition, the religious right has the position that it should be up to the parents and churches to teach sexual education, and the only acceptable method of protection to be taught is abstinence until marriage. Homosexuality and Transgender issues should never be taught, as these are just people who made a sinful lifestyle choice in their eyes.

These people are convinced the bible supports them, and they are executing god's will on earth.

So good luck getting them on board with that.
 
2012-11-21 03:57:41 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

You seem to be confused as to the position of the religious right, as it relates to the relationship between abortion, sex ed and birth control.


Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine there are many who are opposed to abortion in all cases (even rape/incest), but, are fine with birth control. Basically their position is farking is only for married couples to try to make babies. And then you can just do it for the heck of it once your wife is dried up and can't conceive anymore, but, by then most of them have dumped her for a 30 year old hottie anyway.
 
2012-11-21 03:59:56 PM
The majority of abortions are performed by the eighth week of pregnancy, when the fetus is about the size of a lima bean.

And really, who likes lima beans?
 
2012-11-21 04:11:01 PM
...and yet, the churches will double down on the derp and tell us how bad birth control is, and how sinful abortions are, and that condoms are evil, and Jesus will provide for your quiverfull precious babies.
 
2012-11-21 04:17:24 PM
That's what libby liberal numbers say. I'm waiting to see these numbers run through unskewedpolls.com for the TRUTH!
 
2012-11-21 04:20:36 PM
I'm not buying that reasoning...

If you are in a recession, you boink more, not less, since other forms of entertainment are reduced. You are also less likely to buy protection since you don't have the cash. Notice, TFA didn't quote any birth control sales numbers.

This reasoning also fails:
"Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant."

Well, duh, but that also makes it more likely they would get an abortion if they did get pregnant.

Personally, I do not think there is an easy cause/effect for these figures.

It could simply be the publicity Planned Parenthood got over threatened GOP cuts to their programs at the state and federal level and the whole Susan G, Komen kerfuffle. The more people know about the range of services PP has, the more people use them.

It could be gay marriage.

It could be the release of a few good video games causing unavailability of males for unintended procreation.

It could be the Olympics.

It could be the decline in immigration due to the economy.
 
2012-11-21 04:24:36 PM

BronyMedic: These people are convinced the bible supports them, and they are executing god's will on earth.


They believe that opposing abortion is executing god's will. And they believe that having an abortion is executing god's will.
 
2012-11-21 04:25:24 PM
The number needs to go up, not down.
 
2012-11-21 04:26:19 PM

dletter: The majority of abortions are performed by the eighth week of pregnancy, when the fetus is about the size of a lima bean.

And really, who likes lima beans?


I love Lima beans. Tastes like early termination.
 
2012-11-21 04:28:27 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Slut shaming. It's always slut shaming
 
2012-11-21 04:37:38 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Once you accept the fact that the religious righties aren't interested in "sanctity of life," or "protecting children," or even "adhering to the teachings of Jesus Christ," and realize they are interested in making sure there will always be lots of people that they can feel morally superior too and ostracize, then it all makes sense.
 
2012-11-21 04:38:57 PM
That number is going to skyrocket with all the free abortion vouchers in the vote for Obama gift bags.
 
2012-11-21 04:38:59 PM
Pfft... damn gays causing a drop in pregnancies!
 
2012-11-21 04:39:01 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.
 
2012-11-21 04:39:18 PM
Sadly, the fundies consider many forms of birth control to be identical to abortion.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:46 PM
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2012-11-21 04:42:04 PM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!
 
2012-11-21 04:45:32 PM

meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!


Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.
 
2012-11-21 04:47:23 PM
The reason for the decline wasn't clear, but some experts said it may be due to better use of birth control during tough economic times. Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant.

I would like to know the sales figures on the morning after pill.
 
2012-11-21 04:47:34 PM

dletter: The majority of abortions are performed by the eighth week of pregnancy, when the fetus is about the size of a lima bean.

And really, who likes lima beans?


Sufferin' succotash.
 
2012-11-21 04:48:17 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.
 
2012-11-21 04:49:49 PM

LoneWolf343: meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.


Hey, he doesn't change his mind!

That's why women have to be kept away from everyone when they're menstruating, shellfish are forbidden, and tattoos are illegal.

Oh, wait, people pick and choose which parts of their fantasy book to follow, so the "be fruitful and multiply" thing could easily be ignored if delusional morons didn't think they had to breed their own cult of Jesus warriors to combat TEH HOMOGAYS and people who think rationally.
 
2012-11-21 04:49:52 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


D) None of the above.
Obviously.
No abortions, no birth control, no sex education. Now, if they could just get a handle on humans' instinctual predisposition to fornicate, it'd be smooth sailing.
 
2012-11-21 04:50:09 PM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


I prefer Psalm 137:9:

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones!
 
2012-11-21 04:50:19 PM
is this 5% drop per capita of child-birthing age women or just an unadjusted raw number?
/nrtfa
 
2012-11-21 04:50:41 PM

Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.


And by "sold over the counter", they mean "added to the water supply", right?
 
2012-11-21 04:50:43 PM

BronyMedic: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.


Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.
 
2012-11-21 04:51:08 PM
Submitted with a trollier headline.
 
2012-11-21 04:57:00 PM
When elective abortions approach zero, many Christians will have absolutely no reason to vote Republican.
 
2012-11-21 04:58:31 PM
Protecting the lives of the unborn is not and never was the Conservative goal. It has always been denying women true equality.
 
2012-11-21 04:58:42 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: The number needs to go up, not down.


True that. How else will we get suckers to vote Republican these days?
 
2012-11-21 04:59:35 PM

mrshowrules: When elective abortions approach zero, many Christians will have absolutely no reason to vote Republican.


Nope. The next "enemy" will be porn, especially the Internet kind.
 
2012-11-21 04:59:47 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Wrong. So very wrong.
Birth control is abortion. Condoms, IUD's, spermicides, morning after pills, RU-486, gay sex, sodomy, the regular pill, and a baby killing doctor rooting around with a toilet auger - all of them are murder.

Howerver, vasectomies and blue-colored pills are both parts of God's Plan.
 
2012-11-21 05:00:43 PM
Thank you....George W Bush?
 
2012-11-21 05:02:36 PM

themindiswatching: mrshowrules: When elective abortions approach zero, many Christians will have absolutely no reason to vote Republican.

Nope. The next "enemy" will be porn, especially the Internet kind.


The next "enemy" will be robots making people slothful and decadent.
 
2012-11-21 05:02:54 PM

dletter: Gecko Gingrich: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

You seem to be confused as to the position of the religious right, as it relates to the relationship between abortion, sex ed and birth control.

Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine there are many who are opposed to abortion in all cases (even rape/incest), but, are fine with birth control. Basically their position is farking is only for married couples to try to make babies. And then you can just do it for the heck of it once your wife is dried up and can't conceive anymore, but, by then most of them have dumped her for a 30 year old hottie anyway.


I believe Santorum said something close to this. ( I don't remember his exact wording. This year has been filled with derp.)
 
2012-11-21 05:05:58 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Well the relgious right doesn't want to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Pregnancies are God's way of punishing women for being whores. If they can be free to have sex without pregnancy, then God's will is thwarted or some such garbage.

it's not pro-life, it's pro-punishing women. That's why you can publish all the studies in the world that show that women who have control over their reproduction are happier, healthier, and less prone to poverty and their response would be "So what? they should keep their legs shut".
 
2012-11-21 05:07:49 PM
GOP causes severe recession...Abortions decline...

Evangelicals: "Well played GOP. Well played..."
 
2012-11-21 05:08:32 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Last week I had to endure the misery of talking to a movement pro-lifer who actually believes that the "rise" in abortions since the 1970s was CAUSED by the availability of birth control. Something to the effect that, when the pill came on the market, women started taking it and having tons and tons of sex for the first time because they thought they were protected. But since the pill is actually VERY unreliable, those women were duped and ended up getting pregnant and having abortions. Ergo, we should forget about contraception altogether and go back to the good ol' days when women just kept their legs shut until their wedding night.

Ta-da!

Sadly, the idiot in question was a woman.
 
2012-11-21 05:09:13 PM

Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.


I'm definitely not opposed to this, but they probably shouldn't sell the once daily one over the counter. That might be to complicated for a lot of people (seriously). Perhaps the patch, or Walgreens should have birth control shot days like they have flu shot days. That would be extremely beneficial to our society and would *actually* be a proactive way to get people out of poverty.
 
2012-11-21 05:10:48 PM

Pincy: BronyMedic: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.


I don't agree with the decision of a woman to abort a perfectly healthy fetus just because it's not wanted.

But then again, it's not my decision, or my right to vilify someone for doing so.
 
2012-11-21 05:13:01 PM

BronyMedic: Pincy: BronyMedic: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.

I don't agree with the decision of a woman to abort a perfectly healthy fetus just because it's not wanted.

But then again, it's not my decision, or my right to vilify someone for doing so.


Exactly, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks, it's up to the woman who is pregnant.
 
2012-11-21 05:16:45 PM

LoneWolf343: meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.


I wonder what the infant mortality rate was thousands of years ago. Might have been a good idea to hump like bunnies just to get a few to live past 5.

(the US is probably still worse than that)
 
2012-11-21 05:19:06 PM
This awesome news will in no way, shape or form help to alleviate the derp from the GOP on this issue. Move along.
 
2012-11-21 05:19:08 PM
Clearly abortions are down 5% because the Right Wing's been beating it into everybody's heads that we need to return to the grace of God.
 
2012-11-21 05:26:52 PM
Pretty telling that pro-choice policies lead to fewer abortions. This is how hard modern conservative ideology fails.

"You've got to hold on loosely, but don't let go. If you squeeze too tightly, you're gonna lose control." - Barry Goldwater
 
2012-11-21 05:27:30 PM
Unemployed men who sit around the house in their tub socks watching Judge Judy are not as attractive to women as one might think.
 
2012-11-21 05:30:33 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ...and yet, the churches will double down on the derp and tell us how bad birth control is, and how sinful abortions are, and that condoms are evil, and Jesus will provide for your quiverfull precious babies.


Given that most people are only religious if they're born into it, you can see why they'd be against any form of birth control.
 
2012-11-21 05:36:06 PM
or the fact that darkie in DC will be taking care of his people and they just don't care

/yea, I keed

:)
 
2012-11-21 05:37:38 PM

Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.


While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?
 
2012-11-21 05:42:12 PM
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2012-11-21 05:44:16 PM

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Yea except for the decline in violent crime in the 90s was more because of the downturn in popularity of crack-cocaine, not the Roe v. Wade decision.
 
2012-11-21 05:45:36 PM
Problem is, the crazies see carefree sex to be just as evil as abortion.
 
2012-11-21 05:45:55 PM
What a horribly biased article! Can't we give SOME credit to stealth "abortion counseling services," mandatory waiting periods, invasive ultrasounds, picket gauntlets outside of abortion clinics, and murders of abortionists?
 
2012-11-21 05:46:15 PM
I prefer to believe that the thought of that long legged mack daddy occupying the white house is giving extreme right wingers a collective case of erectile dysfunction.
 
2012-11-21 05:59:59 PM
I just ate a banana and did some math involving multiplications (some vector dot products).

So I have been fruitful and multiplied at least once today. (and it's not unusual that I do this several times each working day -- to shake things up a bit, I sometimes have an apple or pear, and mix in other linear algebra into it as well.)

I even get paid for the math part...

Looks like *I'm* going to heaven you losers...
 
2012-11-21 06:00:41 PM

MrEricSir: Given that most people are only religious if they're born into it, you can see why they'd be against any form of birth control.


And that sir, was the point I was trying to make way back at post number four.
 
2012-11-21 06:00:42 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ...and yet, the churches will double down on the derp and tell us how bad birth control is, and how sinful abortions are, and that condoms are evil, and Jesus will provide for your quiverfull precious babies.


It's not about abortion, it is about punishing women for having sex.
 
2012-11-21 06:02:52 PM

PreMortem: LoneWolf343: meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.

I wonder what the infant mortality rate was thousands of years ago. Might have been a good idea to hump like bunnies just to get a few to live past 5.

(the US is probably still worse than that)


I don't know, but I do know that during the Dark Ages, life expectancy was 30. I don't imagine that it was much better back in Ancient Israel.
 
2012-11-21 06:04:50 PM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


That's nice for Jews, but I'd like the see the logic of our current bacon and shellfish eaters.

/I know, the answer is "holy war cannon fodder"
 
2012-11-21 06:06:00 PM

GhostFish: Problem is, the crazies see carefree sex to be just as evil as abortion.


can someone explain to me how those same nutty bastards dont have a dozen kids?
they clearly are unable to use BC or abortion, therefore they must not be having sex, right?
RIGHT?

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
god I hate those people
 
2012-11-21 06:06:34 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Where else will they get footsoldiers for their crusades??
 
2012-11-21 06:07:24 PM
Oh come on, like being called a whore by screaming toothless hillbillies waving vulgar photos of baby corpses didn't contribute like 10000% to that.
 
2012-11-21 06:14:54 PM
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2012-11-21 06:15:34 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Knowledge and control all in our hands?

You'd make gods of us all. Our beliefs would become mere opinions needing substantiation.
 
2012-11-21 06:18:24 PM

palelizard: Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.

While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?


I understand your reasoning, but most state run health departments already give out BC for free. If I walked into my town's health department and asked for a pack, they would give me a month's supply for free, no questions asked and no doctor needed.

Actually, I go to the health department once a year and get a 13 month supply for free and there is no real assessment from a doctor. They do the customary pap smear, but there are really no "tests" or questionnaires to determine if BC is bad for you, like with other medications. The risk is assumed like with every other medication that OTC, but as far as I know there are no really serious side effects from BC besides sore boobs and some minor hair loss (but I could be wrong about that). Point is, it's actually significantly LESS harmful than a lot of OTC medications, and the doc visits that most women go to in order to get a prescription are actually screening for cancer. I absolutely support BC being an OTC medication!
 
2012-11-21 06:25:21 PM

palelizard: Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.

While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?


There are plenty of OTC meds that can kill or cause severe organ damage if misused.
 
2012-11-21 06:27:01 PM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


They can also be "virtually" eliminated by providing almost no access to abortion providers, emphasizing abstinence, and having a really high teen birth rate:

Mississippi had the lowest abortion rate, at 4 per 1,000 women of child-bearing age. The state also had only a couple of abortion providers, and has the nation's highest teen birth rate.
 
2012-11-21 06:32:55 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

You seem to be confused as to the position of the religious right, as it relates to the relationship between abortion, sex ed and birth control.


The religious right is opposed "explicit sex education", i.e. sex education that actually talks about sex, has handouts with diagrams of the human reproductive tract, etc. So education about the use of birth control is out of the question. The religious right defends the right of a pharmacist to refuse to fill a prescription for birth control and also refuse to return the script so that a patient can try again elsewhere. And in several states, the religious right has backed personhood legislation that would, among other things, ban hormonal birth control and IUDs, which just happen to be the most effective forms of contraception. So, yes, the religious right is opposed to birth control.
 
2012-11-21 06:32:59 PM
For whatever reason, the anti-abortion/anti-birth control crowd are not likely to be happy that abortions are down unless it's because abortions are illegal and not being performed. The best I can figure out, abortion foes are not "pro-baby" they are ONLY anti-abortion. In fact, they are not even really anti-woman; they're just anti-abortion. What they want is for there to be no abortions, period. Secondarily, they want there to be no birth control, because they see it (wrongly) as a kind of abortion, since the tripe they sell is that birth control pills keep the fetus from attaching to the uterus wall.

They may talk all day long about how a fetus is a baby and babies have a right to live; but if they really thought that, they'd be showing pictures of happy babies, not torn-up fetuses. They just DON'T WANT ABORTIONS. And so they won't care if there are fewer abortions--they want ZERO abortions, and they want the reason to be that abortions are illegal and none are being done, including those done by birth control. End of story.
 
2012-11-21 06:33:57 PM

HotWingConspiracy: "You've got to hold on loosely, but don't let go. If you squeeze too tightly, you're gonna lose control." - Barry Goldwater


I sharted.
 
2012-11-21 06:37:18 PM

Raoul Eaton: They can also be "virtually" eliminated by providing almost no access to abortion providers, emphasizing abstinence, and having a really high teen birth rate:

Mississippi had the lowest abortion rate, at 4 per 1,000 women of child-bearing age. The state also had only a couple of abortion providers, and has the nation's highest teen birth rate.


I'd argue that the shiatty economy makes teen girls desire to be moms because a lot of teen girls think they can better their situation by having children.

Little girls toys:
www.babyworld.asia
1.bp.blogspot.com
i01.i.aliimg.com


Little boys toys:
www.randfarmpark.com
image.made-in-china.com
lh4.ggpht.com

And We wonder why there is a teen pregnancy problem in this country.
And an image problem too
 
2012-11-21 06:41:03 PM
You know how they spend money buying supplies to make protest signs..

scene7.samsclub.com

Up to 144 abortions aborted for less than the cost of making the signs.
 
2012-11-21 06:43:24 PM

reklamfox: I understand your reasoning, but most state run health departments already give out BC for free. If I walked into my town's health department and asked for a pack, they would give me a month's supply for free, no questions asked and no doctor needed.


In what state?
 
2012-11-21 06:56:40 PM

palelizard: Notabunny: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.

While I'm all for BC, aren't they hormonally based? Couldn't getting them without a doctor's visit be dangerous?


Well, yes and no.

Birth control pills work by REGULATING hormones, to make a woman's period occur regularly, so she knows when she'll be ovulating and can (theoretically) not have sex on those days. Miss a pill and you'll likely ovulate right away. You need to see a doctor because the pill can raise your blood pressure and increase the risk of blood clots in your legs, especially if you smoke or are at risk for clots for other reasons.

But the real reason you need to see a doctor if you're on the pill is because you're probably sexually active and need regular pap smears and pelvic exams to check for STDs, not necessarily because of using birth control. You'd need to see your doctor if you were using a diaphragm, just the same.
 
2012-11-21 06:59:40 PM

AhISeeWhatYouDidThere: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x296]

/hot


Have that book on the shelf right here. I assume you referring to that stats supporting the absolutely insane theory that unwanted children contribute to increased crime rates. Who could have possibly imagined that adults having children they don't want would have a downside.
 
2012-11-21 07:09:34 PM

pciszek: reklamfox: I understand your reasoning, but most state run health departments already give out BC for free. If I walked into my town's health department and asked for a pack, they would give me a month's supply for free, no questions asked and no doctor needed.

In what state?


I'm in SW Virginia. It's surprising that they offer free reproductive services at all, but the health department in my town is freakin' fantastic.
 
2012-11-21 07:10:52 PM

Gyrfalcon: But the real reason you need to see a doctor if you're on the pill is because you're probably sexually active and need regular pap smears and pelvic exams to check for STDs, not necessarily because of using birth control. You'd need to see your doctor if you were using a diaphragm, just the same.


Well, that and men who are transitioning can use hormonal birth control combined with testosterone and other androgen blockers to "feminize" their body.
 
2012-11-21 07:19:08 PM
I read estimates earlier that there were 4 million births in the US last year and 1.1 million abortions. I find the numbers are "interesting".
 
2012-11-21 07:30:29 PM
So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits
 
2012-11-21 07:32:53 PM

BronyMedic: Gyrfalcon: But the real reason you need to see a doctor if you're on the pill is because you're probably sexually active and need regular pap smears and pelvic exams to check for STDs, not necessarily because of using birth control. You'd need to see your doctor if you were using a diaphragm, just the same.

Well, that and men who are transitioning can use hormonal birth control combined with testosterone and other androgen blockers to "feminize" their body.


I'm assuming they're not using it to prevent pregnancy. They'd be seeing a doctor for an entirely different reason.
 
2012-11-21 07:34:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: They'd be seeing a doctor for an entirely different reason.


The problem is finding a doctor to prescribe it. The US is years behind the EU in treatment of transgenderism. I'm just saying that OTC birth control pills would be a Godsend (Hah.) for more than just women.
 
2012-11-21 07:37:16 PM

Chakro: I read estimates earlier that there were 4 million births in the US last year and 1.1 million abortions. I find the numbers are "interesting".


Even more interesting when you figure some of those abortions must happen to Republican women as Texas is #3 of the states with most abortions.
 
2012-11-21 07:38:16 PM

mrshowrules: Have that book on the shelf right here. I assume you referring to that stats supporting the absolutely insane theory that unwanted children contribute to increased crime rates. Who could have possibly imagined that adults having children they don't want would have a downside.



frankstallone.jpg
 
2012-11-21 07:45:11 PM
One of the things about right-wing ideologues that pisses me off the most is the either believe or project that people who want abortion legal actually like abortion, like Mr(s). Garrison on South Park. No one likes abortion. Everyone I know who has ever had one is crushed by it and wishes they didn't have to.
 
2012-11-21 07:47:03 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: mrshowrules: Have that book on the shelf right here. I assume you referring to that stats supporting the absolutely insane theory that unwanted children contribute to increased crime rates. Who could have possibly imagined that adults having children they don't want would have a downside.


frankstallone.jpg


4ofthe7baldwins.jpg
 
2012-11-21 07:51:42 PM
More tax cuts for the 1% and lots more legitimate rape.
 
2012-11-21 07:52:46 PM

The Name: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Last week I had to endure the misery of talking to a movement pro-lifer who actually believes that the "rise" in abortions since the 1970s was CAUSED by the availability of birth control. Something to the effect that, when the pill came on the market, women started taking it and having tons and tons of sex for the first time because they thought they were protected. But since the pill is actually VERY unreliable, those women were duped and ended up getting pregnant and having abortions. Ergo, we should forget about contraception altogether and go back to the good ol' days when women just kept their legs shut until their wedding night.

Ta-da!

Sadly, the idiot in question was a woman.


The question is, an attractive woman or one who clearly was never able to get any, much less get her way by offering any?

"You ever notice that most of the people who are against abortions are people you wouldn't want to fark in the first place?"
--Carlin
 
2012-11-21 07:53:24 PM

hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits


1) You say "farking like rabbits" like it's a bad thing.

2) abortions or birth control. Guess which one is cheaper, probably by at least an order of magnitude.
 
2012-11-21 07:53:57 PM
OK, as long as this news doesn't affect the supply of miniature American flags.
 
2012-11-21 08:20:37 PM
I see a lot of strawmen here. Let me help some of you out, being an Evangelical myself.
1) only the catholic church says all birth control is sin. Some Evangelicals choose not to use it and say it's a sign of their faith that God will provide the means (and energy) to provide for all the children they may have. but they will typically not condemn other evangelical couples that are using birth control.
2) Abortion is the removal of an implanted zygote. The only pill I know of which does this is RU-486. Morning after pills do not. While most Evangelicals honestly don't know enough about biology to make this distinction for themselves, that is where most have drawn the line when the science is presented.
3) Every church I know of has some sort of funds going to single mothers, especially those who came to a "pregnancy counseling center" because they were considering abortion. Is it a token? Yes. But it is there.
4) most of us are opposed to comprehensive sex ed, true. I am not personally. I think it would go a lot better if sex ed wasn't a requirement in a given quarter of a given year, but rather parents got to pick an age in the range of 7th and 9th grade that their kid would take it. Most of our opposition really comes down to squeamishness and many of us say we'll tell our kids later but never really do.
 
2012-11-21 08:44:09 PM

BSABSVR: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Slut shaming. It's always slut shaming


Bingo. If right wing pukes were "pro-life", they wouldn't be clamoring to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
 
2012-11-21 08:44:54 PM

zarberg: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

1) You say "farking like rabbits" like it's a bad thing.

2) abortions or birth control. Guess which one is cheaper, probably by at least an order of magnitude.


Anal.
 
2012-11-21 08:57:29 PM
any infanticide is too much.

how about, instead of making excuses for easy women, we teach them to, you know, have some pride, and not give it up for any guy who comes calling?

Abortion: helping women avoid the consequences of poor decisions since 1974.
 
2012-11-21 09:00:39 PM

hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits


Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?
 
2012-11-21 09:08:08 PM

GentDirkly: I see a lot of strawmen here. Let me help some of you out, being an Evangelical myself.
1) only the catholic church says all birth control is sin. Some Evangelicals choose not to use it and say it's a sign of their faith that God will provide the means (and energy) to provide for all the children they may have. but they will typically not condemn other evangelical couples that are using birth control.
The Catholic Church approves of the Rhythm Method.

2) Abortion is the removal of an implanted zygote. The only pill I know of which does this is RU-486. Morning after pills do not. While most Evangelicals honestly don't know enough about biology to make this distinction for themselves, that is where most have drawn the line when the science is presented.
Interesting. I always thought they were the same thing.

 
2012-11-21 09:10:20 PM

Hunter_Worthington: any infanticide is too much...
.


You wrote that, but all I heard was

Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Goodbye!
 
2012-11-21 09:12:32 PM
I would maintain that the drop in abortions caused the recession.
 
2012-11-21 09:12:50 PM

Hunter_Worthington: any infanticide is too much.

how about, instead of making excuses for easy women, we teach them to, you know, have some pride, and not give it up for any guy who comes calling?

Abortion: helping women avoid the consequences of poor decisions since 1974.


Infanticide? When you have a weak position, make shiat up.
 
2012-11-21 09:15:42 PM

Hunter_Worthington: any infanticide is too much.


Phew, for a second I thought we were getting rid of infants.
 
2012-11-21 09:22:04 PM

crazyeddie: You wrote that, but all I heard was

Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Goodbye!


He'll be back, with TF, and a different login, and say the same thing, and get 100 replies per thread he posts in.
 
2012-11-21 09:24:14 PM
Wait, if being in a recession causes you to use (and therefore buy) more birth control, doesn't that kind of negate the arguments for the government providing the birth control? Seems like we've got a reality where people only use it when it's more expensive to obtain.
 
2012-11-21 09:27:53 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: zarberg: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

1) You say "farking like rabbits" like it's a bad thing.

2) abortions or birth control. Guess which one is cheaper, probably by at least an order of magnitude.

Anal.


I knew a "Catholic" girl in college who said she was still a virgin because she had only had butsecks.

/like ... two dozen times.
//also went down on just about anyone who asked.
 
2012-11-21 09:32:10 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?


Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.
 
2012-11-21 09:33:32 PM

BSABSVR: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Slut shaming. It's always slut shaming


This /\

Its not about Idealism or Dogma or even the Bottom Line. Your logic is futile.

Its about CONTROL. If these troglodytes could get away with it they would push clitoral circumcision on women to "Protect them from Themselves".

They truly fear the power of the Va Jay-Jay.

/ Like most things they dont understand...
 
2012-11-21 09:36:24 PM

reklamfox: , but as far as I know there are no really serious side effects from BC besides sore boobs and some minor hair loss (but I could be wrong about that).


Sure, if you ignore high blood pressure, risk of stroke, and death they're just like Ibuprofen.

My wife's doc has flipped her around a bit over the years on what she should use because of such concerns.
 
2012-11-21 09:42:07 PM

jbuist: reklamfox: , but as far as I know there are no really serious side effects from BC besides sore boobs and some minor hair loss (but I could be wrong about that).

Sure, if you ignore high blood pressure, risk of stroke, and death they're just like Ibuprofen.

My wife's doc has flipped her around a bit over the years on what she should use because of such concerns.


My ex girlfriend had some problems with hers causing some hormone wackiness that led to mood swings. At least, that was her excuse. She changed prescriptions like 17 times and that never seemed to affect the craziness, hence why she's my ex.
 
2012-11-21 10:00:04 PM

serial_crusher: My ex girlfriend had some problems with hers causing some hormone wackiness that led to mood swings. At least, that was her excuse. She changed prescriptions like 17 times and that never seemed to affect the craziness, hence why she's my ex.


The changes to my wife's stuff was pretty much related to weight. When she was pushing 350lbs (don't judge me) they cared a bit more. Now that she's well south of 300lbs they're opening up new meds to her.
 
2012-11-21 10:16:45 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: crazyeddie: You wrote that, but all I heard was

Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Goodbye!

He'll be back, with TF, and a different login, and say the same thing, and get 100 replies per thread he posts in.


so, you're saying that if he strikes me down, I can come back more powerful then he can possibly imagine?
 
2012-11-21 10:19:43 PM
GyrfalconBirth control pills work by REGULATING hormones, to make a woman's period occur regularly, so she knows when she'll be ovulating and can (theoretically) not have sex on those days. Miss a pill and you'll likely ovulate right away. You need to see a doctor because the pill can raise your blood pressure and increase the risk of blood clots in your legs, especially if you smoke or are at risk for clots for other reasons.

Actually, BC pills work by suppressing ovulation entirely. That's their primary mechanism of preventing conception. Your body thinks it's pregnant, so it doesn't release any eggs. The reason you have to take the pills at the same time each day, is that if the hormone levels fluctuate you can possibly ovulate. You were right there.

The "period" you have on BC is not a real period, where the uterine lining thickens in prep for babby, an egg is released, and the whole shebang is sloughed out when conception and implantation don't occur. On BC, it's breakthrough bleeding and it's done for two reasons. 1) If you don't get it, it's a reasonable indicator that you're pregnant and should get tested. 2) There are physicians that believe flushing out the reproductive tract like that is healthier than not. This is in some dispute.

Didn't mean to jump on you, but people need to know the truth so that bad opinions are avoided.
 
2012-11-21 10:25:44 PM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time


$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."
 
2012-11-21 10:30:45 PM

Nadie_AZ: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

They have but one bible to give.


Which, ironically has a recipe for an abortive to give to your wife if you suspect she's a cheating whore.
 
2012-11-21 10:42:56 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."


I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.
 
2012-11-21 10:54:14 PM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."

I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.


#5 Encourage gay sex in junior high school.
 
2012-11-21 11:30:30 PM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.


It would be much more effective and cheaper to just execute anyone who makes more than X babies.

Except for victims of legitimate rape, of course.
 
2012-11-21 11:40:41 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: The number needs to go up, not down.


So, you're not pro-choice so much as anti-life.
 
2012-11-22 12:06:54 AM
HEY RACIST REPUBLICANS!

Obama has shown he is anti-abortion by ruining the economy! See how slightly right of center he is!

Stop being so racist and accept your overlord.
 
2012-11-22 02:37:13 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: AhISeeWhatYouDidThere: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x296]

/hot

Yea except for the decline in violent crime in the 90s was more because of the downturn in popularity of crack-cocaine, not the Roe v. Wade decision.


prove it
 
2012-11-22 04:09:57 AM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


Of course, they missed the point of that passage being a call to spread the gay!
 
2012-11-22 04:13:55 AM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


[satire]
The Bible clearly says to "go forth and multiply", so using any form of pregnancy prevention is still sinful and if you use it, you'll go to hell
[/satire]
 
2012-11-22 04:33:40 AM

UnrepentantApostate: GyrfalconBirth control pills work by REGULATING hormones, to make a woman's period occur regularly, so she knows when she'll be ovulating and can (theoretically) not have sex on those days. Miss a pill and you'll likely ovulate right away. You need to see a doctor because the pill can raise your blood pressure and increase the risk of blood clots in your legs, especially if you smoke or are at risk for clots for other reasons.

Actually, BC pills work by suppressing ovulation entirely. That's their primary mechanism of preventing conception. Your body thinks it's pregnant, so it doesn't release any eggs. The reason you have to take the pills at the same time each day, is that if the hormone levels fluctuate you can possibly ovulate. You were right there.

The "period" you have on BC is not a real period, where the uterine lining thickens in prep for babby, an egg is released, and the whole shebang is sloughed out when conception and implantation don't occur. On BC, it's breakthrough bleeding and it's done for two reasons. 1) If you don't get it, it's a reasonable indicator that you're pregnant and should get tested. 2) There are physicians that believe flushing out the reproductive tract like that is healthier than not. This is in some dispute.

Didn't mean to jump on you, but people need to know the truth so that bad opinions are avoided.


Cool. Thanks!
 
2012-11-22 07:18:07 AM

Hickory-smoked: So, you're not pro-choice so much as anti-life.


Call it what you want.
 
2012-11-22 08:21:50 AM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."

I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.


Using birth control is irresponsible?
 
2012-11-22 08:43:55 AM

vrax: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Of course, they missed the point of that passage being a call to spread the gay!


I want to see this on a George Takei photo ASAP.
 
2012-11-22 08:45:45 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."

I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.

Using birth control is irresponsible?


Depends on how you use it. Like as substitutes for candies on cupcakes, or balloons at kids parties.
 
2012-11-22 08:52:33 AM
I wonder, if suddenly everyone on Earth stopped having sex unless they intended to reproduce, and if magically there were no more pregnancy complications, and all ither reasons for abortion and birth control vanished...

...what crazy, stupid, ass backward, pants on head idiocy would Christian zealots leap to five milliseconds later?

/matter of "what" not "if"
//my guess is rolling back all rights for brown people
///possibly burning teh ghey
 
2012-11-22 09:00:38 AM

herrDrFarkenstein: Depends on how you use it. Like as substitutes for candies on cupcakes, or balloons at kids parties.


y'know, free and accessible balloon animals would solve a lot of this country's problems.
 
2012-11-22 09:04:46 AM

Kibbler: I wonder, if suddenly everyone on Earth stopped having sex unless they intended to reproduce, and if magically there were no more pregnancy complications, and all ither reasons for abortion and birth control vanished...

...what crazy, stupid, ass backward, pants on head idiocy would Christian zealots leap to five milliseconds later?

/matter of "what" not "if"
//my guess is rolling back all rights for brown people
///possibly burning teh ghey


If you keep in mind that this country was colonized and settled by heavily armed, highly reactionary religious extremists of dubious intelligence and poor hygienic practice, and that it's only a few centuries old, you'll realize how far we've come yet how similar we are. Just think--400 years later, and promiscuous women aren't getting burnt alive by their neighbors anymore. Progress!
 
2012-11-22 09:06:21 AM

Kibbler: I wonder, if suddenly everyone on Earth stopped having sex unless they intended to reproduce, and if magically there were no more pregnancy complications, and all ither reasons for abortion and birth control vanished...

...what crazy, stupid, ass backward, pants on head idiocy would Christian zealots leap to five milliseconds later?

/matter of "what" not "if"
//my guess is rolling back all rights for brown people
///possibly burning teh ghey


I'm sure a lot of people would focus that portion of their attention on the gays. (I'm not sure if gay sex stops in your theoretical world or not. Do people stop having all sex and anything like sex, or just sex that could technically lead to a pregnancy?)

Beyond that, maybe that godawful rock music, or violent movies? I don't know, concerning yourself with what nutjobs might do isn't very productive. Then again, neither is dismissing everybody who disagrees with you as a nutjob.
 
2012-11-22 09:09:51 AM
Now are you sure you want to tout this figure? Think carefully.

As a liberal, you will want to bury this figure.

Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control. Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

This has nothing what so ever to do with the fact that these people tend to grow up and vote for Democrats. Nope. Nothing at all.
 
2012-11-22 10:24:02 AM

randomjsa: Now are you sure you want to tout this figure? Think carefully.

As a liberal, you will want to bury this figure.

Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control. Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

This has nothing what so ever to do with the fact that these people tend to grow up and vote for Democrats. Nope. Nothing at all.


You truly are 10 pounds of delusion in a 5 pound sack.
 
2012-11-22 10:34:49 AM

Hickory-smoked: randomjsa: Now are you sure you want to tout this figure? Think carefully.

As a liberal, you will want to bury this figure.

Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control. Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

This has nothing what so ever to do with the fact that these people tend to grow up and vote for Democrats. Nope. Nothing at all.

You truly are 10 pounds of delusion in a 5 pound sack.


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Ignore it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-11-22 10:36:08 AM

hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits


Yeah, pretty much - just like we have to pay for jet fighters that won't fly in the rain, and handouts to corporate farmers for not growing things. It's called "civilization".
 
2012-11-22 10:52:29 AM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


I am very Pro-Life, and I agree completely. We need REAL sex education (not abstinence only crap) and access to free or inexpensive contraception.

Anytime the rate of abortions decline it is a good day in America.

Happy Thanksgiving my fellow Farkers!!
 
2012-11-22 10:54:49 AM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Rightwingers: "No one should have sex unless they want children because sex is dirty and Jesus says so."

Even though virtually none of them have ever done that.

This was a key factor in me leaving the social conservative movement in high school, instead of forcing everyone to adhere to an idealized standard I wanted practical solutions.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:35 PM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


Then why are they against gays and math?
 
2012-11-22 06:52:55 PM

jso2897: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yeah, pretty much - just like we have to pay for jet fighters that won't fly in the rain, and handouts to corporate farmers for not growing things. It's called "civilization".


There's a reason human beings can't stop farking. But you have to believe in evolution to understand it. So, yeah, I guess we're pretty much up shiat creek.
 
2012-11-22 08:51:37 PM
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control.

DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!

Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

Roight. You can always sell off a child or two if a private equity firm buys your employer, runs it into the ground and either closes it down or cuts your paycheck in half; and any attempt to improve your bargaining position, so maybe those benefits won't be necessary, is evul Union Thugs zOMG SOOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
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