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(NBC News)   US abortions drop 5% over the last few years to the lowest numbers in a decade -- thanks to increased birth control usage caused by a recession   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 143
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2012-11-21 09:08:08 PM

GentDirkly: I see a lot of strawmen here. Let me help some of you out, being an Evangelical myself.
1) only the catholic church says all birth control is sin. Some Evangelicals choose not to use it and say it's a sign of their faith that God will provide the means (and energy) to provide for all the children they may have. but they will typically not condemn other evangelical couples that are using birth control.
The Catholic Church approves of the Rhythm Method.

2) Abortion is the removal of an implanted zygote. The only pill I know of which does this is RU-486. Morning after pills do not. While most Evangelicals honestly don't know enough about biology to make this distinction for themselves, that is where most have drawn the line when the science is presented.
Interesting. I always thought they were the same thing.

 
2012-11-21 09:10:20 PM

Hunter_Worthington: any infanticide is too much...
.


You wrote that, but all I heard was

Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Goodbye!
 
2012-11-21 09:12:32 PM
I would maintain that the drop in abortions caused the recession.
 
2012-11-21 09:12:50 PM

Hunter_Worthington: any infanticide is too much.

how about, instead of making excuses for easy women, we teach them to, you know, have some pride, and not give it up for any guy who comes calling?

Abortion: helping women avoid the consequences of poor decisions since 1974.


Infanticide? When you have a weak position, make shiat up.
 
2012-11-21 09:15:42 PM

Hunter_Worthington: any infanticide is too much.


Phew, for a second I thought we were getting rid of infants.
 
2012-11-21 09:22:04 PM

crazyeddie: You wrote that, but all I heard was

Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Goodbye!


He'll be back, with TF, and a different login, and say the same thing, and get 100 replies per thread he posts in.
 
2012-11-21 09:24:14 PM
Wait, if being in a recession causes you to use (and therefore buy) more birth control, doesn't that kind of negate the arguments for the government providing the birth control? Seems like we've got a reality where people only use it when it's more expensive to obtain.
 
2012-11-21 09:27:53 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: zarberg: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

1) You say "farking like rabbits" like it's a bad thing.

2) abortions or birth control. Guess which one is cheaper, probably by at least an order of magnitude.

Anal.


I knew a "Catholic" girl in college who said she was still a virgin because she had only had butsecks.

/like ... two dozen times.
//also went down on just about anyone who asked.
 
2012-11-21 09:32:10 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?


Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.
 
2012-11-21 09:33:32 PM

BSABSVR: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Slut shaming. It's always slut shaming


This /\

Its not about Idealism or Dogma or even the Bottom Line. Your logic is futile.

Its about CONTROL. If these troglodytes could get away with it they would push clitoral circumcision on women to "Protect them from Themselves".

They truly fear the power of the Va Jay-Jay.

/ Like most things they dont understand...
 
2012-11-21 09:36:24 PM

reklamfox: , but as far as I know there are no really serious side effects from BC besides sore boobs and some minor hair loss (but I could be wrong about that).


Sure, if you ignore high blood pressure, risk of stroke, and death they're just like Ibuprofen.

My wife's doc has flipped her around a bit over the years on what she should use because of such concerns.
 
2012-11-21 09:42:07 PM

jbuist: reklamfox: , but as far as I know there are no really serious side effects from BC besides sore boobs and some minor hair loss (but I could be wrong about that).

Sure, if you ignore high blood pressure, risk of stroke, and death they're just like Ibuprofen.

My wife's doc has flipped her around a bit over the years on what she should use because of such concerns.


My ex girlfriend had some problems with hers causing some hormone wackiness that led to mood swings. At least, that was her excuse. She changed prescriptions like 17 times and that never seemed to affect the craziness, hence why she's my ex.
 
2012-11-21 10:00:04 PM

serial_crusher: My ex girlfriend had some problems with hers causing some hormone wackiness that led to mood swings. At least, that was her excuse. She changed prescriptions like 17 times and that never seemed to affect the craziness, hence why she's my ex.


The changes to my wife's stuff was pretty much related to weight. When she was pushing 350lbs (don't judge me) they cared a bit more. Now that she's well south of 300lbs they're opening up new meds to her.
 
2012-11-21 10:16:45 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: crazyeddie: You wrote that, but all I heard was

Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Goodbye!

He'll be back, with TF, and a different login, and say the same thing, and get 100 replies per thread he posts in.


so, you're saying that if he strikes me down, I can come back more powerful then he can possibly imagine?
 
2012-11-21 10:19:43 PM
GyrfalconBirth control pills work by REGULATING hormones, to make a woman's period occur regularly, so she knows when she'll be ovulating and can (theoretically) not have sex on those days. Miss a pill and you'll likely ovulate right away. You need to see a doctor because the pill can raise your blood pressure and increase the risk of blood clots in your legs, especially if you smoke or are at risk for clots for other reasons.

Actually, BC pills work by suppressing ovulation entirely. That's their primary mechanism of preventing conception. Your body thinks it's pregnant, so it doesn't release any eggs. The reason you have to take the pills at the same time each day, is that if the hormone levels fluctuate you can possibly ovulate. You were right there.

The "period" you have on BC is not a real period, where the uterine lining thickens in prep for babby, an egg is released, and the whole shebang is sloughed out when conception and implantation don't occur. On BC, it's breakthrough bleeding and it's done for two reasons. 1) If you don't get it, it's a reasonable indicator that you're pregnant and should get tested. 2) There are physicians that believe flushing out the reproductive tract like that is healthier than not. This is in some dispute.

Didn't mean to jump on you, but people need to know the truth so that bad opinions are avoided.
 
2012-11-21 10:25:44 PM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time


$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."
 
2012-11-21 10:30:45 PM

Nadie_AZ: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

They have but one bible to give.


Which, ironically has a recipe for an abortive to give to your wife if you suspect she's a cheating whore.
 
2012-11-21 10:42:56 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."


I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.
 
2012-11-21 10:54:14 PM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."

I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.


#5 Encourage gay sex in junior high school.
 
2012-11-21 11:30:30 PM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.


It would be much more effective and cheaper to just execute anyone who makes more than X babies.

Except for victims of legitimate rape, of course.
 
2012-11-21 11:40:41 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: The number needs to go up, not down.


So, you're not pro-choice so much as anti-life.
 
2012-11-22 12:06:54 AM
HEY RACIST REPUBLICANS!

Obama has shown he is anti-abortion by ruining the economy! See how slightly right of center he is!

Stop being so racist and accept your overlord.
 
2012-11-22 02:37:13 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: AhISeeWhatYouDidThere: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x296]

/hot

Yea except for the decline in violent crime in the 90s was more because of the downturn in popularity of crack-cocaine, not the Roe v. Wade decision.


prove it
 
2012-11-22 04:09:57 AM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


Of course, they missed the point of that passage being a call to spread the gay!
 
2012-11-22 04:13:55 AM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


[satire]
The Bible clearly says to "go forth and multiply", so using any form of pregnancy prevention is still sinful and if you use it, you'll go to hell
[/satire]
 
2012-11-22 04:33:40 AM

UnrepentantApostate: GyrfalconBirth control pills work by REGULATING hormones, to make a woman's period occur regularly, so she knows when she'll be ovulating and can (theoretically) not have sex on those days. Miss a pill and you'll likely ovulate right away. You need to see a doctor because the pill can raise your blood pressure and increase the risk of blood clots in your legs, especially if you smoke or are at risk for clots for other reasons.

Actually, BC pills work by suppressing ovulation entirely. That's their primary mechanism of preventing conception. Your body thinks it's pregnant, so it doesn't release any eggs. The reason you have to take the pills at the same time each day, is that if the hormone levels fluctuate you can possibly ovulate. You were right there.

The "period" you have on BC is not a real period, where the uterine lining thickens in prep for babby, an egg is released, and the whole shebang is sloughed out when conception and implantation don't occur. On BC, it's breakthrough bleeding and it's done for two reasons. 1) If you don't get it, it's a reasonable indicator that you're pregnant and should get tested. 2) There are physicians that believe flushing out the reproductive tract like that is healthier than not. This is in some dispute.

Didn't mean to jump on you, but people need to know the truth so that bad opinions are avoided.


Cool. Thanks!
 
2012-11-22 07:18:07 AM

Hickory-smoked: So, you're not pro-choice so much as anti-life.


Call it what you want.
 
2012-11-22 08:21:50 AM

serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."

I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.


Using birth control is irresponsible?
 
2012-11-22 08:43:55 AM

vrax: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Of course, they missed the point of that passage being a call to spread the gay!


I want to see this on a George Takei photo ASAP.
 
2012-11-22 08:45:45 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: serial_crusher: Lee Jackson Beauregard: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yes, people do irresponsible things and that ends up costing the rest of us. Welcome to the real world. So do we:

1) Provide birth control ($);
2) Provide abortions ($$);
3) Support the resulting babies through social services ($$$$$); or
4) Ignore the problem until the crime rate goes through the roof, starving people having this funny habit of not starving quietly ($$$$$$$$$$$$$)?

Take your number 3 over there and combine it with some stiff criminal penalties, including jail time

$$$$$$$$$$$

and devastating fines, for irresponsible breeders. If we make the consequences harsh enough, people might start moderating their behavior.

Yes, because people who need social services to raise their children can afford "devastating fines."

I figured the word "devastating" was sufficient indicator that they wouldn't be able to afford them by design, but evidently you missed that.
Recuperating costs of those kids is a good thing, but what's more important is making an example as deterrence. Fewer people will act recklessly if the consequences are a ruined life, not a benevolent nanny state coming in to save the day.

Using birth control is irresponsible?


Depends on how you use it. Like as substitutes for candies on cupcakes, or balloons at kids parties.
 
2012-11-22 08:52:33 AM
I wonder, if suddenly everyone on Earth stopped having sex unless they intended to reproduce, and if magically there were no more pregnancy complications, and all ither reasons for abortion and birth control vanished...

...what crazy, stupid, ass backward, pants on head idiocy would Christian zealots leap to five milliseconds later?

/matter of "what" not "if"
//my guess is rolling back all rights for brown people
///possibly burning teh ghey
 
2012-11-22 09:00:38 AM

herrDrFarkenstein: Depends on how you use it. Like as substitutes for candies on cupcakes, or balloons at kids parties.


y'know, free and accessible balloon animals would solve a lot of this country's problems.
 
2012-11-22 09:04:46 AM

Kibbler: I wonder, if suddenly everyone on Earth stopped having sex unless they intended to reproduce, and if magically there were no more pregnancy complications, and all ither reasons for abortion and birth control vanished...

...what crazy, stupid, ass backward, pants on head idiocy would Christian zealots leap to five milliseconds later?

/matter of "what" not "if"
//my guess is rolling back all rights for brown people
///possibly burning teh ghey


If you keep in mind that this country was colonized and settled by heavily armed, highly reactionary religious extremists of dubious intelligence and poor hygienic practice, and that it's only a few centuries old, you'll realize how far we've come yet how similar we are. Just think--400 years later, and promiscuous women aren't getting burnt alive by their neighbors anymore. Progress!
 
2012-11-22 09:06:21 AM

Kibbler: I wonder, if suddenly everyone on Earth stopped having sex unless they intended to reproduce, and if magically there were no more pregnancy complications, and all ither reasons for abortion and birth control vanished...

...what crazy, stupid, ass backward, pants on head idiocy would Christian zealots leap to five milliseconds later?

/matter of "what" not "if"
//my guess is rolling back all rights for brown people
///possibly burning teh ghey


I'm sure a lot of people would focus that portion of their attention on the gays. (I'm not sure if gay sex stops in your theoretical world or not. Do people stop having all sex and anything like sex, or just sex that could technically lead to a pregnancy?)

Beyond that, maybe that godawful rock music, or violent movies? I don't know, concerning yourself with what nutjobs might do isn't very productive. Then again, neither is dismissing everybody who disagrees with you as a nutjob.
 
2012-11-22 09:09:51 AM
Now are you sure you want to tout this figure? Think carefully.

As a liberal, you will want to bury this figure.

Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control. Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

This has nothing what so ever to do with the fact that these people tend to grow up and vote for Democrats. Nope. Nothing at all.
 
2012-11-22 10:24:02 AM

randomjsa: Now are you sure you want to tout this figure? Think carefully.

As a liberal, you will want to bury this figure.

Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control. Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

This has nothing what so ever to do with the fact that these people tend to grow up and vote for Democrats. Nope. Nothing at all.


You truly are 10 pounds of delusion in a 5 pound sack.
 
2012-11-22 10:34:49 AM

Hickory-smoked: randomjsa: Now are you sure you want to tout this figure? Think carefully.

As a liberal, you will want to bury this figure.

Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control. Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

This has nothing what so ever to do with the fact that these people tend to grow up and vote for Democrats. Nope. Nothing at all.

You truly are 10 pounds of delusion in a 5 pound sack.


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Ignore it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-11-22 10:36:08 AM

hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits


Yeah, pretty much - just like we have to pay for jet fighters that won't fly in the rain, and handouts to corporate farmers for not growing things. It's called "civilization".
 
2012-11-22 10:52:29 AM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


I am very Pro-Life, and I agree completely. We need REAL sex education (not abstinence only crap) and access to free or inexpensive contraception.

Anytime the rate of abortions decline it is a good day in America.

Happy Thanksgiving my fellow Farkers!!
 
2012-11-22 10:54:49 AM

Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?


Rightwingers: "No one should have sex unless they want children because sex is dirty and Jesus says so."

Even though virtually none of them have ever done that.

This was a key factor in me leaving the social conservative movement in high school, instead of forcing everyone to adhere to an idealized standard I wanted practical solutions.
 
2012-11-22 01:15:35 PM

IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.


Then why are they against gays and math?
 
2012-11-22 06:52:55 PM

jso2897: hbk72777: So we either have to pay for abortions or birth control. All for people who can't stop farking like rabbits

Yeah, pretty much - just like we have to pay for jet fighters that won't fly in the rain, and handouts to corporate farmers for not growing things. It's called "civilization".


There's a reason human beings can't stop farking. But you have to believe in evolution to understand it. So, yeah, I guess we're pretty much up shiat creek.
 
2012-11-22 08:51:37 PM
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): Why? Because for years and years I've listened to sputtering excuses from liberals as to why people who can't afford children don't take responsibility on themselves to make sure they don't have children either by not having sex or by using birth control.

DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!

Instead we're suppose to shovel out a lifetime of benefits to the kids with a big happy smile on our faces because any suggestion that people take responsibility for themselves or their own children or not have children if they can't afford to take care of them will drive liberals in to fits of rage.

Roight. You can always sell off a child or two if a private equity firm buys your employer, runs it into the ground and either closes it down or cuts your paycheck in half; and any attempt to improve your bargaining position, so maybe those benefits won't be necessary, is evul Union Thugs zOMG SOOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
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